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| Biswo |
Posted
on 17-Feb-02 10:07 AM
What a shameful attack it was in Achham?
And it is probably a step forward in revolution! Hundreds died, higher toll than the
one caused by plague of Simla so far.
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The follies that preceded this attack needed to be examined.
I don't want to criticize the king and the PM at this moment, since all we need now
is strong political leadership.But ,hey, did you guys notice the king was decorating
his wayward son some 'suprashiddha medal' for helping people during June 1
massacre? Come on, this guy was just helping his sisters and relatives and
needed no medals. Why , His Majesty the King, you want to make charades of
your tradition? I mean, come on, we have more pressing matters.And we your
loyal subjects are waiting for more discreet,decisive and democratic acts from you.
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And while police and army jawaans were dying in the hills of Nepal mercilessly,
NC was in dilemma whether to extend the emergency or not. Like the
protagonists of "The Lion In Winter", NC old leaders duo are engaged in eternal
scheming. These people are the one who should be termed the 'disgrace of Nepal'.
They ruled Nepal for a decade and only to aggravate the misery of nation. If
the government of Nepal ever deliver state honor to these senile old duo when
they die, I will be shameful of that decision.This is a classic example of how a
nation can be mishandled by retard people.
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I really don't want to criticize the main opposition. Afterall, they are not directly
responsible for what is happening now. But see how greedy they were before
this attack. To extend the support for emergency, they were asking
for 'constitutioanl amendment and national government ...' things. Boy, you first
need to protect this constitution to make any amendment.
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My heart goes to the fallen heroes of Achham who died for no reason, because some lunatics thought their death could be a great proletarian cause, because
some democrats thought the army could be used to protect their hold on the power so that they could indulge on eternal scheming and nation looting.
The family of these army and police jawaans, I am sad to say, probably won't get
a penny as compensation, since national coffer is already depleted. The avarice
and callousness of our leaders should be examined and brought forth to focus now
,again and again, and justice should be delivered to these fallen heroes.
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It is time Sher Bdr act decisively. Trim his evil list of ministers. Put Govinda Raj Joshi
and Khum Bdr Khadka behind bar and investigate their property, and work with army closely to contain this cancerous growth of left lunatics.I mean, if not now,
then when?
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And finally, I sometimes think, how much similar our extreme lefts and rights are.
If they actually sit down and talk, they will be amazed to see in how many issues
they actually agree to each others. No democracy, no big hair(Ala Achyut Kharel),
no miniskirt, no respect to corruption body, blind nationalism, devotion to a
supreme leader and ,of course, provision of unchecked access to national coffer.
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| raja-1 |
Posted
on 17-Feb-02 11:31 PM
There are some of messges that last night attacks in Nepal delivered
It is one of the turning event in the communist war of Nepal.
it shows that morale of maoists is very high and there is no phychological impacts of military mobilization. the military wing of maoist is still fully fuctional. With the weapons looted from the Dang and Accham, they may launch another attack in near future. It shows that Nepal will suffer another 10-15 years in this chronic war.
-It seems impossible to win this war only by military means. There is urgent need of drastic reforms in many sectors of Nepal. Unfortunately, Anti-Deupa group wants to remove him from the power. While UML is interested to oust congress from the govt.
-It might have symbolic meaning as it happend immediately after the Unification of UML and ML.
-Another danger is the morale of army. What will happen to this nation, if army demoralized. In any case, the immediate solution seems impossible.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 12:42 AM
You are wrong if-
you are hoping that Nepali Congress, UML and the King are able to provide leadership for the kind of drastic reform Nepal needs today. (Any reform in reality will be against the personal interest of majority of people running or representing these institutions)
if you are visualising the Police and army as godly creatures and Maoists as devils.
if you are thinking that the army can solve Maoist 'problem'. (Maoists will never be in short supply of popular support so long as the current form/structure of NC, UML and the Monarchy remains intact. And there is a real danger of the time when our army may discover that they are not protecting democracy or the nation but a bunch of few unworthy people)
Nepe
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 01:28 AM
Nepe wrote:
And there is a real danger of the time when our army may discover that they are not protecting democracy or the nation but a bunch of few unworthy people.
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This is what is visible and possible very soon, if the peopels in power
continue to behave like "emperors cloth". I can see Girija and
his Bhajanmandali Pvt. Ltd is now indulged in getting power at
any cost (even with the help of Indian Ambassador), while UML
ML divorced and reunited and now seek immediate election
and royals will acquire US Visa very soon for all family members
and start sending their siblings waiting for last minue developments.
And, we are looking for another Cambodia. Once the Maoists invade
the streets of KTM, Nepal will be like Cambodia or Afganistan.
Well, you might say I am making propaganda, but, we will see
the reality when it happens. The way they trim their own
friends head, will not spare yours. They are now planning to
invade Army camps one by one, and the Achham has given them
a big signals, while Army will be demoralized if another districts
get the same situation and it will surely happen tonight or within
this week.
The main reason for all this mesh up is Girija Prasad Koirala, for
his 5time PMship with bunch of BhajanMandalis like Govinda Raj
Joshi, Khum Bahadur, Gachhedar, Laxman Ghimire... the list
does not end here .....
Those who support Maoists, might be enjoying very much
but, this extreme path will make you realize at the end
of sunset, when we will be left behind by millions of peoples
death, in this series of killing spree. Like girija and his
bhajan mandalis are one of set of peoples like in "emperors cloth",
Maoist supporters are also another set of peoples in
"emperors cloth". There is no solution. Its time that will
give lesson to us, but, by that time it will be too late.
We deserve to be raped, mutiliated by new set of rulers.
I am really sad to see the things on the Nepal sinking
in DAL DAL of Blood and corruptions. No one is going to
help us, we have to experience it. Now, let people know
how will the Maoist rule the country, let them have the
taste of their like. What can you do except "Ram Ram",
if its their choice.
. . . . .? #$%%&'() ? Mr. Maoist supporters, may Maoist
bless you.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 11:02 AM
Nepeji:
The last thing I am prepared to believe is Maoists have popular support.
People are fearful of them. Fear can give you power, and that's it. One can't make
pedestal of long sustaining popular state by killing a few military and police.
The brutality with which people are being killed in Nepal will be accounted for. I
opposed Achyut Kharel's Kilo Shera Two in the past. I oppose BRB and his wild bunch's indescriminate killing at this time.
I think what this attack signifies is the desparate attempt by Maoists to show that
they are alive. They have no other cause that killing people. They are afraid of
freedome. They are, as I said earlier, afraid of free people, free election, free
media, woman's miniskirt and men's long hair, Nabin Bhattarai's love songs, and
even day light.They are a bunch of cowards who attack sleeping police in the
midnight and sneak away to the jungle in the day. They are not the foundation of
state: republic or democratic. How many of us can believe they are only anti-
monarchy? They are not fighting for only republic, they are fighting for
communism. The dethroning of Gyanendra won't solve problem.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 02:17 PM
Biswoji wrote-
>The last thing I am prepared to believe is Maoists have popular support.
They have. Not massive, but enough for the continuation of the growth curve they are maintaining since past few years.
>People are fearful of them. Fear can give you power, and that's it.
True. But fear is not the only factor for the support Maoists are enjoying. The major factor is people’s disappointment with the people in power. And there is some cultural factor too. Throughout the modern history of the country, Nepalis have been forced to trust (might not be a precise word) untrustworthy (counter-progressive) people and institutions. Being so, people find it easier to ‘trust’ Maoists. If you can convince Nepalis to respect Paras, it is no big deal to convince them to trust maoists.
>One can't make pedestal of long sustaining popular state by
>killing a few military and police.
True. I do not see Maoists as alternative state. I see them as a historical force to force the country to undergo a shock therapy to start a chain reaction of massive reforms. My real fear is that it might take a wrong direction if we continue to alienate Maoists and fail to tap the revolutionary vigor never seen in the history before. Its in our hand right now what we want Maoists to be- a positive force for the reform of the country or a negative force for the destruction of the country. If we are ready to do what it takes to bring real change in Nepal, sacrifice of monarchy and integration of maoists to democracy is the bravest and the wisest things to do right now. Status quo is a sure way to a national suicide.
>The brutality with which people are being killed in Nepal will be
>accounted for. I opposed Achyut Kharel's Kilo Shera Two in the
>past. I oppose BRB and his wild bunch's indescriminate killing at
>this time.
It should. In fact, one of the counter-force acting against the progress of the country is unaccounted history (beruju itihas). We did not learn from the ‘truth commission’ of South Africa. Mallik aayog was a hattiko mukhma jira.
>I think what this attack signifies is the desparate attempt by
>Maoists to show that they are alive. They have no other cause
>that killing people.
Let’s be more productive than being just a ramitey.
>They are afraid of freedom. They are, as I said earlier,
>afraid of free people, free election, free media, woman's
>miniskirt and men's long hair, Nabin Bhattarai's love songs,
>and even day light.
They say they are afraid of the type of freedom which only privileged class enjoy in reality. They say ‘choosing dhungo or mato as food’ is not a free election. They say Nepal has not established a truly free media yet. They say miniskirt is not a priority or a flag of revolution for the equality of women. First comes liberation, then comes empowerment, then may come miniskirt. It is just the matter of the list of priorities. They say modernity and freedom do not necessarily reside in the long hair of men. They reside inside the skull. They hate those long hairs which cover empty skull. They are not afraid of Nabin Bhattarai’s love songs. They just hate to see that they represent our youth as thinking about nothing but the opposite sex. There should be such songs as this too-
Hain aur bhi gum duniyamain mohbbat key siva.
(forgot who wrote the gazal)
>They are a bunch of cowards who attack sleeping police in the
>midnight and sneak away to the jungle in the day.
Depends on where you look at- the whole or the part. On the whole (the whole emergency), I do not see police/army as sleeping in the barrack. They are out there to kill as much maoists as possible and they are not playing by the rule of the battle of Mahabharata.
>They are not the foundation of state: republic or democratic.
Let’s hope so. Let’s hope they integrate into the state but not replace it.
>How many of us can believe they are only anti- monarchy?
>They are not fighting for only republic, they are fighting for
>communism.
Not many at the moment. And that’s because we have read only the banner, we have not bothered to look inside. The commitment of maoists to communism is not more than that of CPN-UML to it or that of Nepali Congress to socialism or what used to be of Mahendra’s panchayat to exploitation-less society. I personally do not deny the possibility of transformation of maoists to totalitarian power. But it all depends on how far we push maoists to.
>The dethroning of Gyanendra won't solve problem.
You never know. But the status quo won’t solve the problem. That’s for sure.
Nepe
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 06:50 PM
Nepeji:
>people find it easier to ‘trust’ Maoists.
I am surprised that you think the people of Nepal 'trust' Maoists, and that they
have some support.I think that supporting Maoists in their cause is one thing, but
to stultify oneself with the foolish, unsupported by any scientific data perception
is another thing. Maoists support is not increasing. It is the hype that is increasing,
it is the degree of brutality that is increasing. It is the villages of widows and
summary justices that is increasing. It is the number of internal refugees who were
forced out of the villages in unsubstantiated charge by a gang of bandits that is
increasing. Nothing more.
>My real fear is that it might take a wrong direction if we continue to alienate
>Maoists and fail to tap the revolutionary vigor never seen in the history before.
No one alienated them. They left the dialogue table. After failing to win seats in
parliament, they left the parliament. It was their cowardice to face people with
idea that made them wear the opaque burqa of ideology and sneak into jungles.
>They say they are afraid of the type of freedom which only privileged class
>enjoy in reality.
Well, if they say that, then they are wrong. The communism has a track record of
sharing nation's resource among a few elite ones.
> They say ‘choosing dhungo or mato as food’ is not a free election.
In the election of Nepal, in 2048/49, they were in the ballot paper as option.No
question of choosing 'dhungo or mato as food'.
>They say Nepal has not established a truly free media yet.
Then, should we believe that Nepal will have free media under them? Show me a
single communist country that have free media, my friend.
> They say miniskirt is not a priority or a flag of revolution for the equality of
>women. First comes liberation, then comes empowerment, then may come
>miniskirt.
So, miniskirt is hindering liberation, or empowerment. That is the logic they only
understand.
> It is just the matter of the list of priorities. They say modernity and freedom do
>not necessarily reside in the long hair of men. They reside inside the skull.
Mao and his ardent followers have a track record of crushing freedom and skulls.
Including those of Lao Tsu(killed in cultural revolution, the greatest Chinese writer
of modern era) and ,not to mention, Gao Xingjian. Freedom is the last thing
these freaks want to hear.
>They hate those long hairs which cover empty skull.
Gosh. Then Lekh Nath Paudel could have been the first target of these people
had he been alive.
> They are not afraid of Nabin Bhattarai’s love songs. They just hate to see that
>they represent our youth as thinking about nothing but the opposite sex.
Nepeji, they are afraid of freedom loving people. They want to tell people what to
think and what not to think.
>There should be such songs as this too-
>Hain aur bhi gum duniyamain mohbbat key siva.
>(forgot who wrote the gazal)
Am I supposed to believe this was written in China or Russia or Peru's shelters?
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There is no justification for killing. This is weapon of ideologically weak bunch of
people.
As Sir VS Naipaul wrote in his 1982 book "Among the believers" about Islamic
fundamentalists, when everything(democracy) failed, they resorted to faith. That
is what happened to a few Maoists. When democracy and system couldn't provide
what they were expecting, they resorted to their "faith". No wonder the way
Maoists and Taliban/Islamic fundamentalists behave is so simliar.
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