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| voivoid |
Posted
on 19-Feb-02 02:02 AM
Here are some.
-Maobadi's have pretty much done away with the caste system in their strongholds. They have managed to develop an unprecedented solidarity between different races.
-The Mao country (in Nepal) is less sexist and more empowering to women. Not only do they lead their cadres, they even took to the street and virtually banned alcohol. No more beatings from the husband, no more child marriages . Way to go ladies, I'll drink to your health next time I set foot in Nepal.
these do not add up to much...I suppose, there's not much you can learn from the "little red books."
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 19-Feb-02 09:58 AM
Yet another Maoist propaganda, and yet another proof of Marxist reductionism.
Maoists have pretty much done away with caste system.Huh. We know that this
system can't be done away in a day. No one can say that by doing away caste
system within a 'coterie of people', it can be done away in a society.
Constitutionally caste system is already done away in Nepal too. Society is still
reeling from some caste-ists and their ugly behavior.
Mr Voivoid, please refrain from feeding off unverified propaganda and other
garbages. I am sick of those people who long for blood, who express joy at the
bloodshed of fellow Nepali and who try to justify such bloodbath.
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| bhasu |
Posted
on 19-Feb-02 10:53 AM
To all these people who support the Maoist, I would like them to do this poor guy a favor. Can you go and read a book for me! The author is George Orwell and the book is titled "Animal Farm". It is a very interesting book.
Yeah, Mao Ji, you are getting a lot of cosmetic freedom, no alchol (do you know that alcohol was also banned in Afganistan), perception of female rights (I am sure BRB and PKD still get tended to by women), and so forth. I will almost gurantee that the top cadres still treat women the same way as they have always done.
How can you Mr. Mao Ji, claim to have given all kinds of rihghts to "people" where you are constantly taking the most fundamental rights of people, the right to live. If you want change in a society, there are more than one way to bring that about. On the one had there are people like, Lek Walensa, Mahatma Gandi, Martin Luther King and othe other hand there are Babu Ram Bhattarai, Pushkar kamal Dahal ....
The choice is yours Mr. Nepalis. Do you want Nepal to be ruled ruthlessly by a group of elites, and that's what the maoists are. Or do you want to leave in peace as you were before the maoist came into the picture.
And if Maoist are so Women rights ... how come we here about Babu Ram, Pushkar Kamal, and so forth but you necer hear about Kamal Devi, Sita Kumari, and so forth.
Mark my words, if (and that's a big if) Maoist are successful in destroying the country's morale and god forbid they take over the country the first thing they will do is they will destroy Pashupati Nath. Then will destroy Baudha nath and Swambhu mandirs. They within five years destroy any semblance of the current Nepal.
I loved my grand mother but when she passed away I accepted and did not cry. I wanted to be the strong one to hold everyone together. I cried inside but I was stong enough to maintain the outer coolness. Howeve, when I heard about the killings of innocent police men and sipahais (whose primary job was to provide for the security of the people) ... I couldn't bear no more ... I cried openly ... a grown man ... crying openly ...
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| Diabolic |
Posted
on 19-Feb-02 10:53 AM
Some of you must be in drugs supporting Maoists. You call this People's Empowerment?
http://www.nepalihimal.com/fagun1-15-2058/awaran-jatiya-hinsa.htm
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Posted
on 19-Feb-02 12:24 PM
Before you throw up so much vitriol against Maoists, look at Congressi raj. Perhaps you can save some for them too. Otherwise your hate to Maoists means nothing.
And what Voicoid said is the truth. Keep banging your feet, keep shouting this and that, throw volumes of books at them, you can not drown the truth.
Where you have not been able to walk an inch in 51 years, Maoists have walked miles in 6 years. You are asking Nepalese to wait another 100 years to abolish sexism and another 200 years to abolish casteism. Mind that.
Maoists may be wrong in many things, but not wrong in case of casteism and sexism.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 19-Feb-02 08:55 PM
I think that it is great if Maoist movement can eliminate castisma nd sexism. But what is the proof? Who are the maoist leaders? It is possible that there are changes in the communities that maoist control... but most likely the changes come from an atmosphere of fear. Peopel don't drink becuase a gang of moaist will come and chop your nose off if you do. It is probably not the sort change that is sustainable.
Also, this eliminate sexism business....... I hear the maoist oppose women wearing certain items of clothing! Wel how different is that from the corrupt patriarchal system that we have in place right now? I don't see how that is liberating or empowering if you are again told what you can or can not do.
I want to drink, wear whatever and do whatever I want with social and political consequences that do not include having a mob comgin to my door step to decapitate me or beat me to smitereens.
Read about the chinese and how they excelled in propoganda during their maoist years and read about their work camps. that shoudl prov enlightening. Also know thta condeming the maoists does not mean singing the praises of the congressies. They all suck!
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| voivoid |
Posted
on 20-Feb-02 03:36 PM
Taukoma birko lagayera baseka Buddhijibiharu,
The poorest class does not hate Maoists. They are the liberators. Remember the Kamaiyas, the "slaves" of Nepal, They love the Maoists.
You can't blame the Maoists for killing the police/army, same way as you wouldn't blame BP for 2007 revolution. Both are fighting to overthrow what they percieve to be an unjust system. Both were/are branded terrorists. Hope that the outcome is not the same this time.
Its very easy to defeat the Maoist. Implement the damn constitution. Protect people's constitutional rights. Just how many people were punished in Nepal within the last 100 years for racism/sexism/corruption/? When will "Rana style muluki ain" end? Where is the will to bring change other than the Maoists?
there is an oppressed class in Nepal and there is an oppressed caste and there is an oppressed sex . all are angry...Buddhijibi's you must realize that all this is not personal. Emotions are bad judges.
When Maoist's kill a hundred policemen in Rolpa, there is an outcry. You label them terrorists. But when a thousand starve in Dolpo, did you hear about it? Were there night vision choppers to help them?
You are against the maoists because its in your best self-interest to do so. Same reason as its in my self-interest to do so.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 20-Feb-02 03:53 PM
Dear Buddijibi Voivoid:
Who says the death of Humla gives a reason for Maoists to kill 500 more poor
people? That's the only logic you understand, I don't.
No death, no corruption gives any reason to throw away democracy. When you
are sick, you treat your sickness, you don't kill yourself. The reason Nepal is ill,
Democracy has some sickness, some bacteria doesn't give the damn wild bunches
a legitimate reason to overthrow democracy.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 01:21 PM
>You are against the maoists because its in
>your best self-interest to do so.
V, I am completely against maobadi; now, I ask you to explain to everyone--in no uncertain terms--exactly HOW it is in my "best self-interest to do so."
To the larger group, isn't it THE IRONY that some folks condemn HMG for killing, cheating, and oppressing the populace, AND YET many of those same folks sing the praises of terrorists who are...well...killing, cheating, and oppressing the populace. Maybe it's because democratically elected governments are not supposed to undertake such activities, whereas terrorists doing those things are simply following their job description to a "T."
Luckily, for the maoists, they were not elected and so are not held accountable for anything. And Baburam and Pushpa are what? sudra ketiharu?
Control your environment, or someone else will.
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| voivoid |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 01:41 PM
>V, I am completely against maobadi; now, I
>ask you to explain to everyone--in no
>uncertain terms--exactly HOW it is in my "
>best self-interest to do so."
with pleasure Krishna ji,
Presumably you are one of the bourgeoisie/feudal landlord/aristocrat/ruling class/
(pick one) who would like to see the status quo between different social classes maintained. Clearly, you have no empathy towards the plight of proletariats/peasants striving for a dignified life.
In other words, they want the f*in money that goes to building your ring roads/mansions/bank accounts/pajerros and what not to feed their hungry stomachs. And you are in their way.
>To the larger group, isn't it THE IRONY that
>some folks condemn HMG for killing, cheating,
> and oppressing the populace, AND YET many
>of those same folks sing the praises of
>terrorists who are...well...killing,
>cheating, and oppressing the populace.
>Maybe it's because democratically elected
>governments are not supposed to undertake
>such activities, whereas terrorists doing
>those things are simply following their job
>description to a "T."
>
>Luckily, for the maoists, they were not
>elected and so are not held accountable for
>anything. And Baburam and Pushpa are what?
>sudra ketiharu?
>
>Control your environment, or someone else
>will.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 01:59 PM
Once again, as I have pointed out several time before and was not commented on because of the "D" word - Darjeeling. Look at what happened there during Gorkhaland movement guys. Why do you think more than half of the Nepalese population there opted for the communists???
I know most people here find it hard to digest the comparison but it might help many people here understand WHY the communists are acting so brutally and WHY they are a serious threat!
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Posted
on 21-Feb-02 02:17 PM
>------ help many people here understand WHY the communists are acting
>so brutally and WHY they are a serious threat!
They areacting brutally because they are not listened to. They are a serious threat because they are damn serious.
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| bhasu |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 02:32 PM
If there is anyone out there who doesn’t think that the Maoist present a serious threat to Nepal and its existence, he/she has been sleeping for the last six years or simply is crazy. Of course, they are serious threat. They are parasites that attacked the weakest cells (poor and oppressed people of Nepal) and turned them into cancerous cells. Now the whole body (Nepal) is in danger of dying. If we must perform some drastic operations to wipe out this cancer, I am all for it. However, we need to do it now and we need to do a radical surgery to remove the causes of the people going bad. What is the government waiting for?
If we need help from outside world on this let it be. If your mother has cancer in Kathmandu and if the west can provide the best treatment to cure your mother, would you not do everything in your power to take your mother to the West? Similarly, to cure the cancer that has inflicted our motherland I would not hesitate a bit to get the West to help root out these malignant cancerous cells who call themselves Maoists!
Yeah you are right, we have disease called Congress, UML, Monarchy, Cast system and so forth. We need to treat those afflictions however though the symptoms of those diseases are painful, they are not terminal. They are with proper treatment curable. However the disease called Maoist is terminal and should be taken care of immediately. If we allow it to reach a terminal stage … there is no coming back and our country as we know it and loved will be no more!
Our children will say when asked where their ancestors were from … “There used to be a country called Nepal and Maoist killed all sort of people and took over the country. They ruled for about 5 years. Because these hoodlums and extremists from India basically controlled the Maoists, these hoodlums took all kinds of terrorist actions in India and eventually India citing it’s national security, attacked Nepal and made it a part of India. Now most of my ancestors are working as servants of the Indians”
I hope that does not happen!!
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 02:39 PM
Voivoid,
By ignoring your interest to classify people as taukoma birko lageko nalageko tatha buddhijibi/murkha , I would like to ask just a question to you. Why? well, because to this murkha/buddhijibi you seemed to be an undeclared(?) envoy or a goodwill ambassador of maosim/maoists.
What is it that you are trying to change and how?
I do realize that in Nepal we have rampant corruption, poverty, oppression, feudalism, nepotism..you name it. I do not hesitate a bit to lend my support to any movement that fights back with vengence against such acts. However, I also hold no reservation to condemn the means of excessive violence the so called maoist people are using against fellow Nepalis who are just as well victim of the abuse of this current democratic system. I am aware of the so called jana karbahi executed by the revolutionary forces against many khardars, haldars, masters...but all those big shot corrupt people are still peeing on poor people's plight. Source not the off-shoots should be targeted. So far, I am not a big supporter of maoists because all I see in their movement is revenge, violence, cruelty, and confusion. They may have started their movement with a noble intention but now they are acting in no better ways than those corrupt and disgusting parties/players who claim to be the thekedars of nepali democracy.
I hesitate to support all those hyenas in tigers' skin out there. Either be tiger or hyenas don't just try to be both.
sparsha
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 02:40 PM
Bhasu, Please elaborate more on your last para.
While reading your thread, one word comes to mind - SIKKIM. I wish our Nepalese people would wake up and look around, not very far, just across the border.
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Posted
on 21-Feb-02 03:15 PM
Maoists are "blessing in disguise" for Nepal. Here is why.
Despite outcry from all quarters for the reform in the country, ruling class did not do anything. Instead they kept themselves busy indulging in nothing but corruption. They could afford to do that because their survival was not threatened.
Today the situation is not the same. As it is now becoming clear and clearer that Maoists in Nepal are to stay, reform in the country is the only way for the survival of the ruling class. There is no other way.
Thanks to Maoists, Nepali people can finally hope that something is sure to happen- either massive reform or Maoist’s rule. And there is no guarantee that these two are mutually exclusive. We are talking about 21st century communists.
Hello….
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Posted
on 21-Feb-02 03:27 PM
We have forgiven every king of political criminals in this country. Why can't we forgive Maoists for a few abuse commited during such stressful time as ongoing war ?
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Posted
on 21-Feb-02 03:42 PM
Maoists are the only hope left in the country. All other parties have proved themselves as completely hopeless.
Taukoma birko lageka buddijibiharu, listen to this news from nepalnews.com:
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Meanwhile, the United States this week condemned the brutal weekend rebel attacks in Acham killing 136 security personnel. "We call on the Maoists, as ever before, to pursue their goals peacefully within the democratic framework established by Nepal's constitution," spokesman of the State Department Richard Boucher said.
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Note that the USA did not say that Maoists should not pursue their goals. It did not say that the goals are wrong. (No axil of evil !!!!)
How to pursue the goal is a different story. Of course it better be peaceful and non-abusive.
Let’s call on the government to fulfil Maoist’s demands. Let’s save the country from more blood-shed.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 04:50 PM
V,
Boy, did you fall into my trap, BIG TIME! Gotcha, con mucho gusto!
>>V, I am completely against maobadi; now, I
>>ask you to explain to everyone--in no
>>uncertain terms--exactly HOW it is in my "
>>best self-interest to do so."
>
>with pleasure Krishna ji,
>Presumably you are one of the bourgeoisie/
>feudal landlord/aristocrat/ruling class/
>(pick one) who would like to see the status
>quo between different social classes
>maintained.
NONE OF THE ABOVE. TRY AGAIN.
>Clearly, you have no empathy
>towards the plight of proletariats/peasants
>striving for a dignified life.
>
YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN; TAKE ANOTHER WHACK AT IT.
>In other words, they want the f*in money
>that goes to building your ring roads/
>mansions/bank accounts/pajerros and what not
>to feed their hungry stomachs.
STRIKE THREEEEE!!!! YOU ARE OUT (WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A FOUL-TIP). I OWN NO RING ROADS/MANSIONS/BANK ACCOUNTS/PAJEROS.
>And you are in their way.
OH, SURE, MR. BIG, BAD, E-STUPID MAANCHHE IS USING HIS MIGHTY POWER WITH AN ENVIRONMENTAL 501(c)3 NONPROFIT TO KEEP ALL THEM KALO JHANEYS DOWN!
LOSER! LOSER! NO OLYMPIC MEDAL FOR YOU! BESIDES, YOUR SPECIALTY--JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS--IS A SUMMER OLYMPIC EVENT! 'TIL THEN, HIT THE BATTING CAGES.
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| voivoid |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 06:02 PM
Krishna ji,
Give your ego a rest. The "you" is used as a generic term which applies to people whose characteristics fit the discription. Its harsh Krishna ji, but your specifics does not matter.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 07:20 PM
.dot wrote:
Let’s call on the government to fulfil Maoist’s demands. Let’s save the country from more blood-shed.
----
The Maoist demand that I see here at this moment is
either they wipe out Royal Nepal Army or
they get wiped out by Royal Nepal Army.
Fullfillment of either one, will bring end of Maoist problem.
Jai Nepal.
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| B2 |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 07:36 PM
The maoist demand of wanting to feed millions of poor and hungry Nepali folks is noble. But HOW do they intend to do that? By closing the border with India? These are the same brilliant minds who dream of fighting with the Indian army and taking on a nuclear power one day. Can't wait to see that.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 21-Feb-02 07:51 PM
dear b2,
dream is one thing,
dream come true is different thing.
Don't dream that far. Som sarma ko katha padheko ta
holau nai.
Be real. Taliban with 500million dollar funding from
Bin Laden could not be there anymore. So, our Talibans
will very soon find Indian Nuclear Plant haina ta?
Yahi ho emperors cloth bhanya, anananya bhakta of
Maoists.
Lets see who will win:
In Nepal, at this moment there are only two options:
Either Maoists should wipe out the RNA
or
RNA should wipe out Maoists.
--- This is the hidden slogan of this time: Yr. 2002 in Nepal.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 22-Feb-02 09:38 AM
>Give your ego a rest. The "you" is used as a
>generic term which applies to people whose
>characteristics fit the discription. Its
>harsh Krishna ji, but your specifics does
>not matter.
Voivoid,
If you cannot answer someone's SPECIFIC question, then maybe it's YOU who should give it a rest. I did not ask you (Voivoid) to speculate speciously about some generic "you," and you, Voivoid, know it. You bricked, got called on it, and then couldn't even bring yourself to either give it a rest or apologize. So, yes, my specifics do matter in the context of the exchange that transpired, no matter what you say.
Btw, I ain't your "ji."
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| bhasu |
Posted
on 22-Feb-02 11:12 AM
Well, it’s already showing. Various news reports from Acham say that “foreigners” were involved. These are the hoodlums I talked about. They are helping the Maoist now and they will definitely want favors in return. That favor will be that they will get an opportunity to set up “al Quaida” in Nepal. India is not going to sit around and let this happen. They will take action and rightly so.
These people who bring forth conspiracy theories such as Nepali government is inciting violence because they want this to happen … they claim royal family involvements … they claim Indian government involvement … these are baseless conspiracy theories and is harmful to the Nation.
Let’s figure out what we can do to help and rescue Nepal from this grip of evil … the center of evil known as Maoist!
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| voivoid |
Posted
on 22-Feb-02 12:52 PM
To:Krishne,
"ji' is a term of respect.
This discussion is about the revolution taking place in Nepal not on whether
your bloated self is a member of some particular class. How hard is it for you to acknowledge your insignificance?
>Btw, I ain't your "ji"
I was giving you the benefit of doubt, my apologies. Since you don't like it, shall I call you "muJI?"
To: everyone else- the solution to Nepali problems is not going to be found in an expat talkboard. But its good to keep talking. and cheers to sajha.com for that!
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| krishna |
Posted
on 22-Feb-02 01:28 PM
Voide,
You have absolute NO business talking about "respect" and then going on to curse. You got called for being presumptuous and dead wrong, and your incessant come backs just prove everything that I have said about you thus far. You can't handle being publicly put in your place, so you resort to typical ad hominem attacks and profanity.
The topic, which you refuse to stick to, that I posed to you was a direct challenge to YOUR assertion that people for/against maoists only felt that way out of their own self-interest. You failed the challenge utterly, as expected. foad
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| alnepali |
Posted
on 22-Feb-02 02:03 PM
I'd like to read more about the relevant discussion and less of personal fury...Why disrupt a healthly discussion.......
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 22-Feb-02 07:05 PM
Five burnt alive
KOL Report
KATHMANDU, Feb 22 - Five civilians have been burnt alive after Maoist terrorists attacked a passenger bus with petrol bomb in Chitwan district early Friday morning.
Police said the bus, on its way to Birgunj from Kathmandu, was stopped by a group of Maoists at Bhandara Ward No. 2 and then attacked with two petrol bombs. Five people, all civilians, were burnt alive. The dead included a child and four men.
Police said they had been unable to identify the victims because they had been burnt beyond recognition.
Four others sustained serious burn injuries and are undergoing treatment at Bharatpur Hospital. (rk)
---Maoists revolution changes population of Nepal, what else
you see this killing spree has impact. I do not forsee anything.
May those who died for nothing, rest on peace. hGxP
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