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Why is BP Koirala mahaan?

   Hi all, Most people in Nepal -- espec 26-Feb-02 ashu
     I won't ask you read the History or his 26-Feb-02 HahooGuru
       Mostly, I consider him great for his lit 26-Feb-02 Biswo
         Nice posting Ashu...thanks... I don’t 26-Feb-02 Outraged
           BP was a failure. His method of 'melmila 26-Feb-02 13-thum
             Biswo, I agree with you. No doubt 26-Feb-02 SR
               MAHAAN Amitabh Bachchan (triple ro 26-Feb-02 diwas k
                 Apart from Mahan sahityakar, BP had a go 26-Feb-02 SR
                   I think BP is mahaan neta. His mahaanta 27-Feb-02 mahaan
                     Mahan, Your piece of news is worthy f 27-Feb-02 NK
                       He was better than K.P Bhattari and G.P 27-Feb-02 !@0
                         In the context of Nepali Cogress Party h 27-Feb-02 SIWALIK
                           Who told you guys that BP is Mahan, Not 27-Feb-02 Jetha
                             >Hi all, > >Most people in Nepal -- es 27-Feb-02 whatever
                               I think the Title of this Thread should 27-Feb-02 hmmm....
                                 I don't think B.P. was a Mahaan Neta, si 27-Feb-02 Huri
                                   BP was Mahaan because he always said: Sa 27-Feb-02 hmmm....
                                     For a lively, interesting discussion on 27-Feb-02 aboveEverest
                                       Thought some teasers from the above web- 27-Feb-02 aboveEverest
Teasers continued: # Author: Awaaz P 27-Feb-02 aboveEverest
   Teasers Continued: ## Author: Sans_Fro 27-Feb-02 aboveEverest
     Teasers (the last part): # Author: San 27-Feb-02 aboveEverest
       Enjoyed the discussion in Sebsonline. Th 27-Feb-02 Biswo
         "Remember me as a good man"-B.P koirala 03-Mar-02 Santosh Neupane
           In case you are wondering about the cert 03-Mar-02 Santosh Neupane


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ashu Posted on 26-Feb-02 07:49 PM

Hi all,

Most people in Nepal -- especially uncritical Congressi geezers and young, articulate and Western-educated Congressi Yuba who do not want to rock the boat, eyeing, as they are, future political jobs in Nepal, say that BP Koirala
was a mahaan, great leader with capital L.

That's all fine.

But I notice that these Congressi friends rarely develop thoughts, arguments and bichar to support their view. They just seem to assume that since they think BP was a mahaan neta, and repeat that assumption 100,000 times in public, that assumtion somehow passes as the truth.

Well, does it?

And so, to learn more about BP in an OPEN-minded way, especially about why some people consider him mahaan and what their reasons are, I ask: why is BP considered mahaan?

How is he a mahaan neta?
What is his political legacy in Nepal?
Does he have anything to teach about how to better present Nepal?

And on a larger note, what defines a mahaan neta in and for Nepal?

Please do NOT tell me to read BP's bio- and auto-bios.
I have devoured them all, along with -- I might add -- other countless
biographies and autobiographies of other Nepali and non-Nepalis netas in the
last several years.

So, why do you consider BP mahaan?

oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
HahooGuru Posted on 26-Feb-02 08:02 PM

I won't ask you read the History or his BIo-data, but,
I feel BP was great when I realized why accepted
the Jana-Mat Sangraha Result in 2037saal. Everyone
was rejecting the poll, and BP announced the acceptance
of result. He was real democratic leader of the era.
If he rejected the result, the ultimate output would be
calamatiy in Nepal, the NC cadres would be on road
and Army would have been used against peoples, the
way Mahendra used in 2017 to wipe out Kangressies.
BP saved his peoples and Bahudal movement got one
step ahead, finally, we got it in 2046. Its sad that he
died quite early. Now, it went to wrong hands, i.e.
his younger brother Girija and Bhajan Mandali.

Looking at the same scenario, Maoists could have gained
a lot if they would have participated in table talk and
kept on their movement (unarmed) (using Mahatma Gandhi
or Kangressies did in Panchayat after 2037 janamat sangraha
after getting elected from Public), Maoist leaders would have
saved their cadres and won the heart of peoples. There
lies the difference.

Your XP
HahooGuru
Biswo Posted on 26-Feb-02 09:06 PM

Mostly, I consider him great for his literary works. I have read all of his novels,
and stories, and they are unparallelled.

I don't know about his political contribution. In my opinion, and this is my opinion
only, he was like Arafat: an obstinate leader, clinging to his political
ideology (a farrago of communism/democracy , termed socialism by some) who
failed to be democrat especially when his power grip was questioned, but who was
very articulate, very charming and very much adored by mass. He comported with
dignity with world leaders, performed a courageous diplomatic act by establishing
relation with Israel(when we were the first in the region to do so), and earned
respect from the then fundamentalist Chinese leaders.

Admittedly, he failed to democratize Nepali Congress, he once allowed himself
to support violent movement against Nepalese government from India, he
cowardly accepted general amnesty granted to him by king Birendra while his
comrades(Captain Bhim Narayan Shrestha and Yagya Bdr Thapa, peace be upon
whom) were being executed,and his failure to recognize communist
power/popularity left a legacy of very intolerant group of Congressi leaders who
had only bitterness towards communists, Girija Koirala is the typical of them.They
contributed, along with their counterpart in left, to the bitter, turbulent political
environment 2046-2055, until when Maoists took over as the violence leader of
nation.
Outraged Posted on 26-Feb-02 10:13 PM

Nice posting Ashu...thanks...

I don’t see BP as a Mahan guy if we consider politics only. Firstly he couldn’t save democracy when he was first elected prime minister with 2/3 rd majority. It was responsibility of BP to save democracy as he was powerful party leader and elected prime minister. Now you guys don’t tell me that situation was not on his favor. What kind of leader was he, who even did not know what’s going on.

During his lifetime he couldn’t establish democracy in the country. He might be great writer but he shouldn’t be considered as a great leader.

I see him a big FAILUAR


Outraged
13-thum Posted on 26-Feb-02 10:50 PM

BP was a failure. His method of 'melmilap' with king rather than communist was a failure. It was great Ganesh Man Singh whose idea of fighting against panchayat with the cooperation of communist became successful and we all got the democracy. If for BP we would still have been in panchayat era.

13-thum
SR Posted on 26-Feb-02 11:03 PM

Biswo,

I agree with you.

No doubt BP was a literary genius. He was one of the very few well-read, articulate, and cosmopolitan Nepali politicians of the time. Yet I am not sure if such loaded phrase as "Mahan Neta" fits well.

In Nepal the UPADHI of "Mahan Neta" is often abused (by political followers) as a convenient tool to instill an otherwise absent political legacy. The practice of "confirmatory bias" is so deep rooted in Nepalese political structure that any view questioning the notion of "Mahan Neta" is subject to political rejection. So, BP was also not an exception!

Personally, I give due respect to BP for his struggle and contribution for the cause of democracy in Nepal. But, there are many such individuals who have sacrificed. To justify the UPADHI of mahan neta, just a long history of struggle and suffering is not a sufficient condition, maybe (not sure!) only a necessary condition. One needs to be able to establish some kind of political, social or economic legacy on the basis of which the nation can make advancement. BP failed in all respects. One thing I still do not understand is the 2017 ko kanda. What precipitated this event? I do not know the real motive of King Mahendra behind his decision, but my common sense says that it is not an easy task to up-seat an elected Prime minister (with overwhelming majority in the parliament), and more so if he happened to be a "Mahan Neta"! As some of the political commentator now put it 17sal ko kanda was due to the personality clash between King Mahendra and BP. If this was the case, being a brilliant, intelligent and smart individual, BP's "Mahan-Neta-ness" would have been enough to avoid the crisis.

-SR
diwas k Posted on 26-Feb-02 11:05 PM

MAHAAN Amitabh Bachchan (triple role) ....

oops, the other mahaan:

0. Mahaan, but relative to what sub_mahaan qualities or sub_mahaan_ness.

I wanted to answer (or at least present my thoughts on BP's mahaan_ta), but I need to take a step back.

1. It is easy to see for me why another Koirala would be non_mahaan in today's terms, all based on how his views, leadership, and decisions have affected my opinions of him. Same could not be applied to deduce BP's mahaanta. He was of a different time, and different socio-political realities.

2. Bandwagon followers need some famous/prominent/recognizable name and face to promote their agenda when they lack any personal qualities of their own. (this is a very vague statement.. but helps with argument!). Even in the US, founding fathers' names are frequently invoked in political debates, as a way of connecting the current with the past (for nationalism mileage).

3. BP has been passed down the genertion as a mahaan neta. My opinions of him would be based on what I have been able to read of him. This would not, in my standards, be enough to label BP as mahaan or non_mahaan. (also my roommate says he sold Koshi, GP sold Mahakali!).

4. ... but he would certainly be a mahaan_sahityakar.....

diwas k
SR Posted on 26-Feb-02 11:17 PM

Apart from Mahan sahityakar, BP had a good potential to be a "mahan-foreign-minister" in a cabinet headed by a real "mahan neta".

SR
mahaan Posted on 27-Feb-02 08:37 AM

I think BP is mahaan neta. His mahaanta got screwd up because of his one weakness. He was a lady killer. He did it with countless of women including Ratna, then Queen. If you doubt, go back and read BP's Aatma Britaanta. According to BP, Mahendra and BP were buddies. Things got changed dramatically after they (BP, MBB, and Ratna) spent their week long vacation in a beautiful house near by Phewa lake in Pokhara. MBB found out that BP messed up BIG time and BP spent his rest of his career behind bars. Remember one thing, BP always praised King who finished him off. Why? He know what he did...
NK Posted on 27-Feb-02 11:49 AM

Mahan,

Your piece of news is worthy for People's Magazine's Gossip column, if they have one. Wow, really? Did BP really do it? That bugger. I hear queen mother was a looker in her youth. But then who is not. baisa ma shyal pani ghorle huncha, no?

And I read a collection of short stories by this "Mahan" BP- eons ago but cannot remember the title or detail anymore. I do remember though I did not like it at that time. Who knows if i have time i may read all his "great" work. Biswo says his literary work was great, he would not lie would he?
!@0 Posted on 27-Feb-02 12:00 PM

He was better than K.P Bhattari and G.P Koirala that is why he is mahan in Congress !!! less work and more talk ....

B. P. is too much family orianted. Congressi big shots are all related for example - G.P Koirala, Sushil Koirala, Sailaja Koirala, Mahesh Achara and many more.

I am not saying that this is not true in UML Bharat mohan Adhikari is related to Man Mohan like wise Radha Krishna Mainali is also related to C.P. Mainali etc etc.

In my opinion when things are family orianted there are less work and more talk.
SIWALIK Posted on 27-Feb-02 01:14 PM

In the context of Nepali Cogress Party he might be considered mahaan by the followers, especially in comparison to worthless leaders that are currently vying for power and personal enrichment. I do not find him worthy of the title. But I have heard that he reminded his cabinet that on shaping the policy for the country, they should all have a picture of a impoverished farmer on the wall and start from there. To me that is a sign of a great soul. Mahaan? Not by any stretch of imagination.
Jetha Posted on 27-Feb-02 01:19 PM

Who told you guys that BP is Mahan, Not a single Neta in Nepalese politics are so called mahan, All are opportunist and Chor-Haru.Thay are just spending their life time Nepalese people's life measurable. Sala Chor Neta haru............
whatever Posted on 27-Feb-02 05:50 PM

>Hi all,
>
>Most people in Nepal -- especially
>uncritical Congressi geezers and young,
>articulate and Western-educated Congressi
>Yuba who do not want to rock the boat,
>eyeing, as they are, future political jobs
>in Nepal, say that BP Koirala
>was a mahaan, great leader with capital L.


Perhaps Ashutosh should should inform us all what
a "mahan"neta is to begin with. What should s/he have accomplished ?
What should be his qualities ? Is Gandhi a "mahan" neta ? Is Nehru ?



>
>That's all fine.
>
>But I notice that these Congressi friends
>rarely develop thoughts, arguments and
>bichar to support their view. They just seem
>to assume that since they think BP was a
>mahaan neta, and repeat that assumption 100,0
>00 times in public, that assumtion somehow
>passes as the truth.
>
>Well, does it?
>
>And so, to learn more about BP in an OPEN-
>minded way, especially about why some people
>consider him mahaan and what their reasons
>are, I ask: why is BP considered mahaan?
>
>How is he a mahaan neta?
>What is his political legacy in Nepal?
>Does he have anything to teach about how to
>better present Nepal?
>
>And on a larger note, what defines a mahaan
>neta in and for Nepal?
>
>Please do NOT tell me to read BP's bio- and
>auto-bios.
>I have devoured them all, along with -- I
>might add -- other countless
>biographies and autobiographies of other
>Nepali and non-Nepalis netas in the
>last several years.
>
>So, why do you consider BP mahaan?
>
>oohi
>ashu
>ktm,nepal
hmmm.... Posted on 27-Feb-02 06:28 PM

I think the Title of this Thread should have read "Was BP A Mahaan Neta?" I think its biased in a sense. Maybe showing some lineage of Ashu's political affiliation.

Hoohi
hmm....
Hamrika
Huri Posted on 27-Feb-02 06:42 PM

I don't think B.P. was a Mahaan Neta, simply because he wasn't visionary, couldn't understand one's potential (good or bad).
For example: It is said that B.P. once told his brother, Girija that he wouldn't be more than a "HAWALDAR" just because of his mentality.
Now his same brother Girija has become the prime minister of Nepal more than 4 times (something that B.P. had wished to happen on him).
So you tell me, how would a guy like B.P. who couldn't even understand his brother very well, could have understood his millions of nepalese brothers/sisters?
hmmm.... Posted on 27-Feb-02 07:00 PM

BP was Mahaan because he always said: Saare Jaha Se Achcha Hindosata Hamaara.....




Hoohi
hm....
Hamrika
aboveEverest Posted on 27-Feb-02 07:13 PM

For a lively, interesting discussion on BP, you might want to have a look at the following web-site (the Awaaz-Sans_Frontieres debate is especially worth perusing):

http://www.sebsonline.org/forum/archive_view.asp?year=2001&T=7511
aboveEverest Posted on 27-Feb-02 07:59 PM

Thought some teasers from the above web-site would not hurt you guys:
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Author: Awaaz Post date: 9/27/2001 5:12:26 PM EST
three reasons why this movie, if ever delivered, is POTENTIALLY great.
1. bp koirala is nepal's greatest statesman ever, and one of asia's finest. but also a minor political failure between 1961 and 1973. statesmanship and politics are two spheres, related but nonetheless distinct. the highs and lows of his life are crisply stunning.
2. bp koirala is one of the greatest literary figures nepal has ever had, especially in the genre of short stories and novels. among politicians who were also men of letters, he was the greatest in nepal, whose international comparisions include such towering figures as nehru and churchill.

3. bp enjoyed company of women, and slept with many. he was a romantic, and a self-confessed adulterer who doubted his own "resource of character" in jail journal. while he was too tactful never to indulge in unconsented sex with adults, there are a few minor scandals that can be unearthed to spice up further a grand life of struggle, spectacular achievements, and unfulfilled desire. henry kissinger preached "power is the ultimate aphrodisiac." bp koirala practiced it. portray a charismatic character whose life was defined by intellect, power and sex. do it well. voila, you've just made a great movie.
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Author: Sans_Frontiers Post date: 9/27/2001 9:37:53 PM EST

BPK had a vision. True.
The man did not have enough guts, though. While I appreciate his contribution in spearheading the pro-democracy movement of 2007 BS, I simply hate the fact that he let cunning Mahendra outfox him. The man was the undisputed leader of the ruling party which had over two-thirds majority. Yet, the guy yielded!

The guy had some potential as a statesman, but comparing him with Nehru and the likes of Nehru and Churchill is a farce. BPK lacked the mastery in Machiavellian tactics that Churchill and Nehru had in plenty. BPK is, at worst, a mere Nepalese freedom fighter and, at best, a regional statesman. His true niche lies somewhere in between these two extreme parameters of his measurement.

The man should have established himself as an enlightened dictator and carried out his socialist vision. He didn't; therein lies one of his ey flaws. And the guy was too dependent on India too.

MK Bhandari was the best leader Nepal had. I simply loved his interview (titled "Old Marx Still Lives in Nepal") in Newsweek.

On the whole, I think a movie on BPK is worth it, however. The guy's life had some interesting stuff here and there and he is a national figure.

Just wondering whether Manisha is thinking of making the movie in Hindi and giving her brother Siddhartha, a wannabe Bollywood star, a break in Bollywood.
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aboveEverest Posted on 27-Feb-02 08:03 PM

Teasers continued:
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Author: Awaaz Post date: 9/28/2001 9:44:58 AM EST
mitra haru angrezi bujhdainan ki kya ho?

1. i didn't say bp was of nehru's and churchill's stature overall. i said, "among politicians who were also men of letters", he belongs to that cadre. especially his prolific prison works, both in content and scale, compare favorably with nehru's. he was nepal's greatest statesman, and "one of" asia's finest. probably what the guy above meant by "regional statesman."

2. go back to nepal in 1950. under 1% literacy rate, avg. life expectancy 35 years, average GDP per capita income 45 dollars, less than 100 kms of tar roads, etc. you get the picture. with no political organization in existence, all power was vested in the military which the rana/shah nexus controlled. absolutely. to have rid the country of an impotent oligarchy, ushered in a westminster-modelled
parliamentary democracy, held elections, and actually did in 18 months what subsequent governments didn't do in 18 years under the most adverse and medieval of circumstances is to me nothing short of a miracle. let's get out of cloud cukoo land and contextualize things. you have a crafty "god king" with all the illegitimate sources of power competing with a forward-looking modern leader who
believed in legitimate nodes of authority. we had an uneven playing field, to say the least. tara, herne chasma farak farak holaan. mero chasma doshi pani huna sakchha.

3. there is no convincing link between authoritarian regimes and speed of development. 3-4 countries that have been named are unpleasant coincidences. please do some serious reading before coming up with dangerous prescriptions.

4. i envy bp's love life. i really do. national geographic magazine (november 2000) says king mahendra and queen ratna were the first nepali couple to practice contraception. apparently condoms arrived in diplomatic pouches. talking of uneven playing field, this privilege was denied to bp. yet the man had the last laugh. i think he had a better sex life.

5. euta nepali rog (disease) chha: we can't seem to appreciate one person's glory without putting somebody else down. we need not do that. claim to greatness is not a monopoly. comrade bhandari would probably have made a fine leader too had his life not been cut short. i just haven't done enough research on the gentleman to assert either way. but i do know he had a fine oratorial command of the nepali language.
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aboveEverest Posted on 27-Feb-02 08:12 PM

Teasers Continued:
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Author: Sans_Frontiers Post date: 9/30/2001 3:54:41 PM EST

The comments by Awaaz are richer in arrogance than in substance. Let me get a few things straight.

1. "he was nepal's greatest statesman, and "one of" asia's finest. probably what the guy above meant by "regional statesman."

BPK was not the finest statesman of Nepal, and he is not one of the finest of Asia. The finest statesman of Nepal was non other than Jung Bahadur Rana. Tell me something, what did BPK achieve on the international front for the country? JBR did with his fine statesmanship: the man at least achieved "Nayan Muluk" from the British. JBR was well versed in diplomacy; BPK was not. The latter was
more of an Indian puppet than a statesman.

As far as considering BPK as "one of" Asia's finest goes, BPK would, by some luck, feature as no. 500 among the Asian statesmen if one were to produce an Asiaweek-style "Asia's Top 500 Statesmen" ranking, and that is a total misuse of the superlative term "finest" even if u add "one of" before it. Asia has produced so many great statesmen that BPK is an ant compared to the other giants of Asia. How can BPK ever be compared to JR Nehru, Subhash Chandra Bose, Lee Kuan Yew, Mahathir Mohammed, Zhou En-Lai, Mao-Tse Tung, Indira Gandhi, Ho Chi Minh and their likes?

By "regional statesman", I meant a South Asia-level statesman. In that remark also, I have made some qualifications. I would not say that he was even one of South Asia's finest statesmen. I only meant to say that if one were to evaluate the life and times of BPK objectively, the highest point he ever touched was as a South-Asia level statesman, but he displayed that caliber once in a while. That's why I wrote earlier that his niche lies somewhere "in between" a mere free freedom fighter and a regional statesman. Even in South Asia, there have been so many statesmen who would easily overshadow the "statesmanship" of
BPK. Jayewardene of Sri Lankan, the Nehru-Gandhis of India, Ziyawoor Rahman of Bengaladesh, the Bhuttos of Pakistan and some military leaders of Pakistan would certainly tower over BPK in that regard.
As far as the phrase "politicians who were also men of letters" goes, BPK was both a politician (albeit of not a very high caliber)and also a man of letters, but almost every damn important politician of the world I can think of was also an illustrious man of letters. Mikhai Gorbachev, Mao Tse-tung, Churchill, Nehru, Bose, LKY, Kim Dae Jung, Joseph Goebbels, Fidel Castro, Nelson Mandela, Daniel Ortega and loads of others. Now, comparing him "favorably" with these giants just because he was, just like these people, also a politician and a man of letters would be a futile gesture, a complete overstatement of BPK's personality. Just comparing him with them is of course permissible, but he would not come anywhere near the stature of these politicians-cum-men of letters.

2. "there is no convincing link between authoritarian regimes and speed of development. 3-4 countries that have been named are unpleasant coincidences. please do some serious reading before coming up with dangerous prescriptions."

The juxtaposition of soft authoritarianism and economic growth and development in countries like Mahathir's Malaysia, LKY's Singapore, the pre-1990 Taiwan and other Asian tigers are not mere "unpleasant coincidences." For any economy to boom, the first thing you need is stability. Some countries are stable in a democratic system; those which are not stable in a democratic system can be stable in a soft authoritarian system under a strong and people-oriented leader. Nepal is one of those countries which simply cannot be stable in a full-fledged democracy. When people totally misuse democracy and create a hullaballoo over every government policy, how can a country's economic growth and development ever take off well?

Moreover, in my earlier posting, I said that BPK could have implemented his socialist vision as an enlightened dictator. I was talking more about economic equity than wholesale economic growth, though I acknowledge that the latter is also needed. I was saying that particularly in context of his populist statements like "Aba purpuro maa lekhine din gaye" and his slogan of "jasko jot, usko pot." The guy raised the hopes of the grassroot population but did not deliver the goods.

3. That BPK had a colorful sex life is news to me. I know him as a prolific writer of soft-porno. Only insiders of Koirala clan may know about his spicy affairs; I certainly do not.
aboveEverest Posted on 27-Feb-02 08:15 PM

Teasers (the last part):
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Author: Sans_Frontiers Post date: 9/30/2001 3:54:41 PM EST

4. "we can't seem to appreciate one person's glory without putting somebody else down. we need not do that. claim to greatness is not a monopoly."

Nobody ever said that claim to greatness is a monopoly. Yeah, BPK, MKB, Tanka Prasad Acharya, Dilli Raman Regmi are all national icons in one way or the other. However, comparisons between such national figures are inevitable. Value judgements of the different personalities do take place. This is because anybody looking for a role model among the national figures tends to choose one of them
more than the other, because he/she likes one's overall qualities more than those of the others. MKB was a staunch nationalist; BPK was not as much of a nationalist as MKB. MKB was a statesman who did turn many heads in an important large Indian conference; I know BPK only as a man who often bowed only too willingly to Nehru and Company. MKB was both a fiery and a pragmatic leader at the same time; BPK, albeit pragmatic at times, lacked the oratorical prowess of MKB. MKB struggled for democracy mingling with the grassroots of the Nepali society and living an underground life; BPK chose a far easier life of exile. And there are many other aspects that propel me to put MKB on top of BPK in the ranking of Nepal's national figures.

5. If BPK indeed had a sensual love-life/sex-life as a certain "Awaaz" claims, would that aspect be portrayed in Manisha's soon-to-be-made movie? I don't think so. I think a movie funded by Nepali Congress and produced by BPK's granddaughter would, on the whole, seek to lionize BPK as "Mahamanav" - whatever the hell that means - and blow his positive aspects out of proportion.

6. Making a movie does have commercial considerations too. If commercial considerations were to be taken into account, one Nepali historical figure whose life would be worth capturing in a film would be Bir Narsingh Kunwar, alias JBR.
If any Nepali historical figure's life was defined by power, intrigue, drama and other elements that make a movie saleable, it was that of BNK. BNK - the self-made man who dared to challenge the hereditary monopoly of the Shahs, Thapas and Pandeys in the power corridors of Nepal and succeeded in his endeavors! BNK - the mastermind of the three dramatic coups ("Parva"s)! BNK - the man whose early youth was awash with adventurous anecdotes! BNK - the man who, goaded by the huger for power, turned his gun upon his own maternal
uncle! BNK - the master of Machiavellian tactics! BNK - the man who exercised absolute power and enjoyed the company of god-knows-how-many women!

Such are the stuff great movies are made of. BNK's character had shades of grey, but hey, if Marlon Brando's character in "Godfather", Joe Pesci's character in "Goodfellas" and Manoj Vajpeyee's character in "Satya" merit accolades, I am pretty sure that BNK's "anti-hero" kind of character will also be appreciated by the audience and critics alike.

If Manisha had some business sense, I think she should produce a movie on BNK and rope in Shekhar Kapoor - the illustrious director of "Elizabeth" and "Bandit Queen" - to direct it. It might even bag an Oscar in the Foreign Films category, and she might bag a "Best Actress" award if she plays JBR's most loved wife/mistress in the movie
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Biswo Posted on 27-Feb-02 10:38 PM

Enjoyed the discussion in Sebsonline. They were informed.

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Most of the vitriolic against BP seems to , perhaps deliberately, omit a fact that
he was a key force in ousting Ranas. People can bring hundreds arguments
to refute this, but this is simply true. His perseverance, and dedication and success
in that regard was very remarkable. BP's courage in his fight against cruel
Ranas was almost comparable to venerable 4 martyrs (peace be upon whom!).

His subsequent failure as PM shouldn't eclipse his contribution in one of Nepal's
most remarkable revolution. I don't think he is/was mahaan neta. He was a neta
who was effective in 2007, but later underwent became very ineffective. His
legacy is equally disappointing. Khum Bdr, for example, was trained in Benaras
under the tutulege of BP(I have heard about that, I can be wrong, please
correct me in that case!). His other disciples like KP Bhattarai, Girija can still
take Democracy 101 for beginners.
Santosh Neupane Posted on 03-Mar-02 05:44 PM

"Remember me as a good man"-B.P koirala

I think unless there is actual definition of mahan, it's very hard to say anything about anyone being mahan. I don't know if B.P was mahan or not since i don't know the actual meaning, but i certainly believe that yes, there would be a difference if he was with the nepalese peoples.
Once, when asked by someone about his belief in the second generation leaders of nepali congress(Now, the first leaders like bhattarai and girija), he said:

"I will not be fair to you and honest to myself if I say that I have been able to develop a second rank leadership which can guide the country. Our people are very honest and they have suffered, but I will not say that they will be able to run the show, at this stage, on their own."

This has been proved to be very true. follow this link to see more on his thoughprovoking interview:

http://www.nepalicongress.org.np/bpkoirala/interviews_bp/amritbazar.html
Santosh Neupane Posted on 03-Mar-02 05:49 PM

In case you are wondering about the certain events when B.P was in nepalese politics or his reasoning for his acts,maybe You can find his interviews worthy:

http://www.nepalicongress.org.np/bpkoirala/bpk_index.html
http://www.nepalicongress.org.np/bpkoirala/interviews_bp/amritbazar.html