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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 03-Mar-02 11:06 AM
San:
I noticed that someone has started a thread asking you to remove a thread called "Nepalese Deported" because people were being rude and personal in it. I looked for the thread and could not find it, so I assume you heeded the poster's request.
San, my suggestion is that you put out a notice, either in the open forum or somewhere in the side bars of the site whenever you remove a thread saying you have done so. It would be helpful to know why a particular thread is removed and what is deemed unacceptable.
I have appreciated your responsiveness to the visitors of this site and how attuned you are to the needs of this growing community. But I am wondering about this particular thread that was removed. Was it "explicit" too?
I guess I am not resolved about the pornography thread that got moved. I do agree that due to the nature of a site link in that thread, it made sense to move it to the SEX usergroup. But.... Biswo brought up the issue of the different ages of people who visit the site and how the content and language was not suitable for them. Well, carting if off to the sex usegroup does not mean that young people can not see it. All you have to do is say yes, when it asks you if you are 18. Maybe the Sex user group should be accessible to only registered users who have confirmed their date of birth? A thought, if we are seious about protecting the young! The other issue is, of course that even as adults, we all have different standards of what we deem okay and not. Some are more eaily made squeamish than others. But who gets to make that call?
I guess I have to go back to what Ashu used to say so often before, that THISA is an OPEN Forum. ( I am curious he has not said anything lately about this?) Or is it?!
I remember some pretty nasty comments made by some folks. Those threads were NOT removed from the main kurakani forum. Some pretty personal quarrels with name calling and what not, those threads were not removed either.
As site administrator San, you are in responsible position to make the kind of calls necessary to ensure the quality of this site, but I think there is merit in revisiting an earlier discussion about the standards of the COMMUNITY. Hope you don't take this in a wrong way, San, I indeed do appreciate all your work.
But I want to invite you and others tp share their thoughts on (hate the word, but here it is) censorship and the idea of community standards!
Thanks.
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| Murkha_dhis |
Posted
on 03-Mar-02 11:50 AM
Look the majority of the folks who frequent this website, I think, are decent people. Censorship is very risky business due to it's subjective nature. My recommendation is let the nature take control of it. Those unwanted things flourishes when we give them undue attention. Even their condemnation will dignify them and those ill rotten minded people seeing the attention they got will get encouraged to do so even more because those folks don't want anything but the cheap attention.
About non-pornographic or non-illicit stuffs, I am totally in opposition to site administrator purging those things from website. No matter how petty mean spirited name calling arguments they may be, purging them may bring chilling effects on the tradition of open forum or free expression this site purports to have.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 03-Mar-02 12:19 PM
Anepaliktji:
I agree with you that censorship is baneful to the healthy discussion site.
However, I disagree with you when you say 'the kids can read graphic contents
in user group as well, since all they need to do is click 'yes' '.Let's face it, we
can't stop anyone from cruising to pornographic contents in web right now.
However, the purpose of asking the person to verify 18 years age, and telling him
the site contains adult material is mainly to alert him about the content of the site.
As you know, 'Discussion' doesn't have such alert, and anyone can visit it. With
the dialogue-box warning, they will be visiting the thread wittingly. I think that
helps a lot of time.And that is the difference.
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| san |
Posted
on 03-Mar-02 08:02 PM
Anepalikt, I appreciate your concern regarding censorship. I personally am not in favor of censorship, but it seems like the site has evolved to require such censorship once in a while in order to keep community standards.
According to general requests, it seems like 3 types of contents should be considered for removal
1. explicit sexual contents - (if your pupils dilate when seeing the sexual content they might be explicit :)
2. Threads that consists of "hello" "hi, how are you" etc (The threads need to have some topic for discussion, or some news content, or some kind of information)
3. Threads that consists of degenerated comments between two egos such as "tero bau this and that" (basically the thread in question fell under catagory 3)
I am writing this as I'm thinking so I might have missed a couple but this list is always open for discussion, and your feedback is also appreciated in this regard.
As a site admin, I have maintained the policy of considering removal requests seriously. If someone takes time out from his day to write/suggest that a thread be removed, and if the thread seems to fall under one of the 3 types listed above, then I have removed it.
Hope I've answered your question. Please do continue this thread on community standards. It would be nice to know what everyone's expectations are.
Regards,
San
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 12:10 AM
anepalikt wrote:
"I guess I have to go back to what Ashu used to say so often before, that THISA is an OPEN Forum. ( I am curious he has not said anything lately about this?) Or is it?!"
Hi anepalikt,
I fully share your concerns on this matter.
I too saw no problem allowing that porn-related stuff and others to linger
here. After all, we all know the half-life of most of our postings anyway.
More to the point, it's only by allowing a FREE and OPEN exchange of ideas, thoughts and views that we can attempt to drive out bad, weak and distasteful stuff.
And I continue to have full confidence in the collective ability of our fellow sajha.com visitors to weed out the bad from the good when they log in
here.
I have not "said anything lately about this" because:
a) I am tired of making the same argument in defense of free speech
all the time.
b) I have realized -- quite bluntly -- that UNLESS I have my own kurakani forum someday as a PUBLISHER (that forum could have, say, analytical articles, hard-hitting opinion pieces, investigative reports and will surely tap the best of the print-world and online experiences), and UNLESS I am willing to legally challenge or take on the authorities on matters of what can be published and what cannot, there is little point in my requesting others to allow room for freedom of speech in their Web sites.
c) At work, barring the usual lunch-time lull, I find myself much busier these days; hence, as you must have noticed, fewer and fewer postings overall from me.
BTW, on a personal note, I learnt that you are BS, and lived near the Babar
Mahal Road. If this is true, then, do send me an email. It's been ages since I
last spoke with you.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 11:16 AM
With this disscussion the question would be, "Is this site still serving as the oficial site for the greater Boston Nepali Community ?" If it is then the GBNC members should have the say it what it wants to do through the Democratic process of voting. If its not the official site anymore(Since its Sajha.com), then the administrater can do whatever he wants. Seems like everyone has ideas as to what this site is supposed to be and what it should be and what not...
From the sounds of it everyone here is a chapion of civil liberty,each and everyone one is an expert. I think the site administrater is doing a fabulous job. But the rest of the people are just sour grapes. and there will always be complaints after all we are Nepali(its in our blood to bitch and complain and talk shit about others).
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| VODKA2 |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 02:02 PM
HEY MAHESH WHO DO U THINK OF U YOURSELF.THIS IS PROBABLY YOUR BLOOD TO BITCH. NOT ALL NEPALIES ...BE NICE. "YOU DON'T LOOSE ANYTHING"
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 02:44 PM
What do you think you're doing ?
This is what I am talking about. Aren't you bitching ? I am just stating what I observed, I am not taking any names of people. Unless you feel it fits your description... feel free to rebut. Otherwise shut up(Chi noama macha).
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| vodka2 |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 03:14 PM
Some people have way about themselves that it seems to say that they have only one life to live, they will prefer living it as a jerk.It is very bad manners to talk with your mouth ful, especially when your head is empty . LATER
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 03:42 PM
So you do fit the description... you are one of them.
If you compare the your posting with mine, you can see who's got what and where. I don't have to defend myself.
As I said earlier, I am not making a grand statement, this is just an observation.
My observation is true because you keep coming back.
whatya know.....it pathetic
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| krishna |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 04:16 PM
So, is THIS tread going to be removed, too? I believe it fits under category 3. Basically, what I hear San saying is that entire threads, including completely legitimate posts (that do not satisfy any of the categories San defined) within a given thread that, are fair game. In effect, if someone wants to get a perfectly decent, engaging thread deleted, one only need post something flagrantly violating San's norms, and out goes the baby with the bath water. Just wanna make sure I understand the rules here.
Btw, I posted something "legit" within the "Nepalese Deported" thread, but it was nixed along with the stuff San deemed to fall within category 3. Boo hoo! :(
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| Fair observer! |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 07:55 PM
Bunch of hypocrite people run this site. That is what I observed.
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| NK |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 08:30 PM
Go San Go! It is your site with the bunch of posters like us posting whatever: sometimes useful and sometimes just plain garbage. You make the rule and if people don't like it tough shit. they can build their own site and post whatever the hell they like. So you go ahead San and don't listen to the ignoramus mass. You have your intelligence and I am watching. If they don't match my own thoughts then I will leave to and design and execute and everything in between and beyond. and yes, post too. Until then I am with you my man - SanGod :)
' Wiedersehen!
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| Naresh_karki |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 09:08 PM
I thought that this is website of GBNC. After NK’s posting I am clearly understood that it is just private property of SAN. I am just surprised that who SAN is, to make rule and judge importance of posting. I have some questions to GBNC. Does GBNC give solo right to SAN to remove postings? Is there only one San out there in GBNC to make rule and regulations of this site?
NK wrote :
Go San Go! It is your site with the bunch of posters like us posting whatever: sometimes useful and sometimes just plain garbage.
If this site is for just bunch of people why you guys make it public?
In fact some of regulars poster in this site have arrogance problem. Of course there is no question about your level of thinking and intelligence but DO accept that you have superiority complex.
Naresh Karki
Baltimore
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| NK |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 09:38 PM
Hey, u talkn' to me? hey, you, yeah, you. you talkn' to me?????
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 10:13 PM
Well, who the hell else are you talkin' to? You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who the fudge do you think you're talkin' to? Oh yeah? Huh?
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| NK |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 08:29 AM
hahahaha! hahaha!@sangey
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 09:00 AM
All you's who are participating in this bitch-a thon...
If you were in San's shoes, of course you would see it differently.
Do you even know that San talked to his boss and hosted GBNC site for free for over a year. When the traffic at the site became busier than his work site, he had to find another way of keep the site going. Now if GBNC had contributed in any any of helping(financially, technically, human resouce). You can say whatever but San has tried his very best to Please everyone. Just because he didn't take your suggestion does not mean Go ahead Overshadow all the good things he has done with all your negative propoganda. But we know where we stand, we know how much this site is helping Nepali people.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 09:14 AM
Naresh Karki,
The fact that your posting got posted elsewhere or removed should answer your question!
It is a public site and there are certain standards to maintain when you come to this site.
Hell for crying out loud, for the likes of you even Playboy has certain netiquette that is expected!! So why would you think that you can just come to this site to throw up?
San, apart from removing your wedding photograph, you have been doing an awesome job :).
APPLAUSE
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 11:30 AM
Sunakhari wrote:
>San, apart from removing your wedding photograph, you have been doing an awesome job :).
Was it San's wedding ? How come San never told us about it ? Anyway, congratulations to the b-ride and g-room ;-)
Nepe
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| san |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 11:37 AM
Nepe,
Seems like Sunakhari has been misinformed. That wedding photograph was not mine!
:)
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 11:53 AM
heyyy I was just following NAKKALI's posting!
Don't you dare drag me into someone else's interest.
PLEASE :)
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| naresh_kakri |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 02:28 PM
Mayesh:
If GBNC is not contributing any thing for this site and every decesion is taken by SAN then this site can't be offical site of GBNC no matter how much he is doing to keep this site better. I suggest to him to change the name of site or start up new one. That's all I want to say, I could be wrong though.
Naresh Karki
Baltimore
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| nakkali |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 02:55 PM
Sunakhari,
I too was surprised to see the picture one minute and gone the other minute. I did mention about the picture but I did not say it was San's.
--Don't you dare drag me into someone else's interest.
---PLEASE :)
I am not interested in San(If sunakhari meant me). I am happily married woman with a cute little son.
Nakkali
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| alnepali |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 05:04 PM
assuming can come very close to being wrong :o)
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 09:41 PM
everyone, time to revisit the grammar part of my posting:
I had initially said "your wedding photograph". Maybe all you dhurandhar angrezi walas missed my point but it was supposed to be read as the "wedding photograph you took". And seriously, who the hell is concerned if San went to Nepal to get married or if that was HIS wedding photograph? HMMM the idea seems to have been carried over by a thread that was deleted(?) in haste :).
Also, Nakkali I was talking about your interest in the photo :). Frankly, if you ask me, I like the boka driving the car :).
But then its a matter of personal choice.
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 06-Mar-02 08:25 AM
So, San got married to a Boka????????????????????????
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 06-Mar-02 08:26 AM
Laaaaaa, marcha malai San le.
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| Nakkali |
Posted
on 06-Mar-02 09:00 AM
I agree with Sunakhari 200%. I got suspicious about the picture when I realised it was not there just few minutes after I saw it, and my posting was also deleted in which I had mentioned "did san get married?" That is why I thought it was HIS wedding. And I also am not very enthusiastic(sp??)about his marriage. I am happy for him but that's about it!!!
I also liked the boka and today's picture made me home sick!!!! :-(
Have a great day all.
Nakkali!!
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 06-Mar-02 10:55 AM
Mr Karki,
I am not sure if you noticed but this site goes by SAJHA.com now. And it is still serving the GBNC community. Before hosting for the community site for free. Now he is paying for it. But he is still providing the service to the community(at no cost). But if GBNC wants to pay for it its a different story.
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| naresh_karki |
Posted
on 06-Mar-02 02:53 PM
Hi all,
Now I am understood San got solo right to run this site and www.sajha.com belongs to him. Now being independent organization GBNC shouldn't proudly take this as official site as this belongs to someone else. How come organization like GBNC has someone's property as its official site? Again I understand San is just doing mercy to GBNC. This is what my conclusion, based on reply of San, Mahesh, Haooguru and much more. Anyway thanks all for those who helped me out to solve my curiosity.
San, I do admire your effort to build meaningful site like this. Do continue your work. Best of luck. : )
Naresh Karki
Baltimore
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| - |
Posted
on 06-Mar-02 03:06 PM
Hey Nareshey,
You have lost your credibility at least to me. By posting all those porn sites. Is that your second job after posting few things here and there in this board? Can you do me a favor by not posting any undesirable material? Like san said, if your eyes dialetes then it is definitely porn.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 07-Mar-02 07:03 PM
This is looking more and more like a vanity site for a select group of visitors and others who are obviously here to stroke their egos!
Who gives a rats arse about whose photo it is? Not me.
San, you never addressd the suggestion I made regarding if you could notify visitors when you delete a thread for some reason. Agan, I reiterate itwould be helpful to know why a particular thread is removed and what is deemed unacceptable. Not only that, it is a simle courtery that sould be extended to visitors who visit this site to be informed when something they invest time participating in is deleted. You yourself pointed out that if someone takes time out from his day to write/suggest that a thread be removed, and if the thread seems to fall under one of the 3 types you listed, then you remove it. Well, the same coursety should be extended to the rest of the posters who participate.
And please, before the San Bhajan Mandali jumps down my back, let me reiterate, I am NOT dissing San by any means simply offerign a suggestion and asking that people consider looking at things a little deeper. Also,
someone said above that this is San's Site.... is it? I knew that this site is maintained, designed and moderated by San and that he had spent time and his money hosting it, but my understanding was that this is STILL a COMMUNITY site. If I understood wrong, please let me know. If not, still do calrify for those others who might think differently. In either case, each has its own implications and maybe will calrify things that seem terribly unclear to me at this point.
About the three causes for removal San outline, the first, explicit sexual contents, is easy enough for most. By the way, did you notice that the Karki chap has put that link to the pornsite in a another thread abotu Nepali sites? Has that thread been removed yet???
The second, threads that consists of "hello" "hi, how are you", I agree with San that threads need to have some topic for discussion, or some news content, or some kind of information. But I have seen plenty of those lingering on teh board.
Third, threads that consists of degenerated comments between two egos such as "tero bau this and that". Seems like every third thread in this site tends to go that way!
So anyhow, these "rule" seem very off the cuff, arbritary and ad hoc. As much as I belive in being high context and flexible and what not, there is much to be said for a well thought strategy and agreed upon set of standards.
And if no one else give a crap about this, oh well, that is sad and I am waaay too invested I guess.
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 08-Mar-02 01:04 PM
Nepalikt,
First of all, I don't think San has ever deleted any of the threads. If you go to the usergroups you will see the past threads. When you have archives of threads better to have them in an orderly manner than a pile of garbage.
Second of all You do see a warning when you click on the sex usergroup. This is a taboo subject for our community, but it does exist out there, and is the biggest cyber revenue generater. There is nothing wrong acknowleding their existance but wheter you want to go there or not is UP TP YOU , your finger and your mouse. tHE CHOICE IS YOURS.
I did not know that San had a Bhajan Mandali ? I thought he was a solo trooper. Thats news to me.
As far as setting the standard is concerned... I think he has done fairly well. He has taken suggestions and made changes accordngly. Now people take it personal when their suggestions are neglected. But in this world its impossible to make everyone happy.. what can I say...
When people start personal snafu's here, I think its inappropriate for San to get involved. He's got nothing to do with it. If we start ENFORCING rules and regulations telling peoplewhat they cannot do and can do. People will stop coming here. One of the main reasons I visit here is because of the freedom to say what you want without holding back. Now if you start adding restrictions, and red tapes .....people will stop coming period.
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| ???????? |
Posted
on 08-Mar-02 10:08 PM
Who is this Naresh Karki?????? Everybody is talking about him.
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| FOS |
Posted
on 09-Mar-02 06:38 AM
Is this anepalikt for real? I think she is a big show-off. You suck.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 09-Mar-02 10:13 AM
Mahesh
thanks for pointing out that the thread was not deleted, but moved rather! You are right San did just move the thread started by Naresh Karki. So I apologize if I said he deleted it. Once I found out, I should have said "moved" instead.
But in the beginning pf this thread I started by asking about another thread called "Nepalese deported". I do think this particular thread was deleted and not simply moved! But who cares!
Now this other thread that got moved, the one about pornography and starting a porno industry in Nepal, I cared about it to ask why it was moved/deleted when it suddenly.
To follow your arguement, if something exists in the works and is "popular" among the majority, it is Okay. Well, I guess that is "democracy".... and unfortunately I am not a "democrat"in that sense. I don' believe that just because a majority believes a particular thing it is OKay. Just because others do a particular thing does not mean that you would want to start doing it in your house.
So it IS a matter of choice. Not simply as an individual visitor inside a site making choices about whether to go into a particular usergroup, but rather as a community whether or not we say if something is okay.
I think I hear the voice of the majority, LOUD and CLEAR!!
Now about San Bhajan Mandali - I find myself part of that group every so often so I know it exists! And yes, of course the fact that San did not hop to my question about notification did not make me happy!! What's wrong with that. I WANT people to do as I say! Don't you? :)
"Personal is political" - I guess I am a rabid feminist who believes that! Guess i am, and come to think of it, proudly so!!
What kind of red tape do you think I might be suggesting here now that I am not sure? What restrictions do you think I am trying to impose?
Freedom with out limits is chaos!
I choose to not have certain things in my life because i belive it and see that it is the right choice. I belive it engouh that I make it my responsibility to also be an advocate for the issue. Sorry if my excercising MY feedom of speech is unacceptable to you.
And Full of Sh it, anepalikt IS real, but only here in this site. You said I am a show off, showing off what? That I care, I think or am not stupid?! If so, sure I do! You said I suck! I don't. Maybe you do! (NOW THAT IS PERSONAL! :p )
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 11-Mar-02 10:29 AM
ANEPALIKT
If you believe in freedom then you would not put any restriction on anything. If you are a true femnist you would understand what I am talking about. Without that freedom the whole Femnist movement would not be where it is today. But of course every freedom has its cost. You of all people(being a Nepali) should know from out democracy movement in 90. So along with you having the freedom to say whatever there's other Joshomoo's making senseless statements. Same with our democracy there is a lot of good that came along with the bad as well. There is 2 sides to everything, depends upon your perspective.
For me puting any sort of restriction is red tape. Its like blocking your access. Like The Fed has 250 page defing a dependent child. It could be just a child Child but a 250 page child. When you start defining and redefining things things get lost on the way.
I never said you aere a show off or you were full o shit. In fact I admire your guts to go head to head with all the jo shmo's that pass through here. There is nothing wrong with defending what you believe in ..... And that is true freedom. Everyone here is trying to defend what they believe in.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 11-Mar-02 04:40 PM
The last bit of my message was meant for FOS (read her/his post first). BTW there is no such thing as a TRUE Feminist.............. everyone would have her own definition and each would be truer than the other's.
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