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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 07:03 PM
This formation of this powerful three-member committee reporting DIRECTLY to the King (and NOT to the PM) is intriguing. This may mean that step by step, the King is asserting himself.
After all, under normal circumstances, the Cabinet could not have voted to
have such a commission with such investigative powers over the Cabinet
itself.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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Commission to investigate wealth of officials
(from nepalnews.com)
The cabinet Monday recommended the formation of a powerful three member judicial commission to investigate the wealth of senior politicians, legislators, judges, officials and other public officials and their relatives and report its findings within six months, Communications Minister Jayaprakash Prasad Gupta said.
The government recommended the formation of the commission to King Gyanendra. The commission will be headed by a judge of the Supreme Court while retired judges Udaya Raj Upadhaya and Gyanendra Bahadur Shrestha are members.
The commission is empowered to investigate wealth of others it considers necessary, Gupta said. Property of retirees will also be investigated. Terms of reference of the commission is yet to be established.
The commission will investigate the wealth of officials after the advent of democracy 12 years ago, Gupta said. The formation of the commission comes amid widespread complaints of rampant corruption by elected officials and civil servants.
Donors have urged government to curb such abuses if aid levels are to continue.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 07:35 PM
I am not sure but I think the tradition is: if you are supposed to use any supreme
court judge, you need king's stamp of approval. HMG can't do it.
I also wish we could roll back the remaining power still with king even after '46.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 07:46 PM
Girija Bhajan Mandali was trying to throw Deoba just because
Deoba was trying to use 12years, not after 2058, and I heard
King rejected earlier request to use 2058 and King returned to
make it 2046, and Girija Bhajan Mandali was in crisis, especially,
peoples like Govinda Raj Joshi, and Girija himself i.e. the way he
used govt. fund of 11crore in funneling to Dhamija Mandali, that
was headed by his lovely daughter Sujata (lovely to Girija, but,
for peoples, she is real bitch, I had ever seenany human that
qualifies "BITCH" nickname in Nepal).
"The commission will investigate the wealth of officials after the advent of democracy 12 years ago".
"Good Job" or not, will be assessed only if the corrupts like
govinde find space in Jail. Otherwise, its antoher Hatti ayo
hatti ayo fussa. King Gyane.. do something, and anything
you do at this moment, will boost your image on public. and
I am sure you will do somthing for this purpose.
HahooGuru
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| nepalee |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 09:45 PM
Why only post 2046 corruption? Why not pre 2046? How about dusting off the Mallik ayog report too? Or is this just another mallik ayog?
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 10:21 PM
Divide and rule? Divide and conquer? You start from
2007, you will hardly know the corrupts in 2057? You start from
2046, putting them in Jail, then, they will invite more
their friends to share the room In Jail. By throwing Panchayat
we at least punished Panchayati Peoples, but, those
how threw Panchayat to make Nepal better are now corrupt
and they deserve punishment first. We should throw
peoples like Govinda Raj Joshi, and put them in Jail,
so that the machine is sustainbale, otherwise it will get
corrupt before you put those corrupts before 2046
were tried. Govinda Raj Joshi will put money in his
pocket and clean all those Gadhahas who used to be
corrupts. Govinde will continue to be corrupt. Govinde
should be put in Jail. Then, Khume, then, Bal Bahadur
KC then, Gachhedar .... then, Bamdev Gautam, then,
Bhim Rawal . . . . . one by one. If you try to put them
in jail as a single bundle, they, Bhai fute gawar lute,
these Corrupt Bhai bhai will not break, allow Nepali
to enjoy the corrupts finding space in Jail. One by one.
Girija Bhajan Mandali wanted to through Deoba to
avoid the appearance of this bill. I am sure they must
be murmuring at this moment.
Lets see how far will it go. Though, I am not sure whether
there is any Nepali borned to put bell on Cat's neck?
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| ? |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 10:46 PM
Ashu wrote
>his formation of this powerful three-member committee reporting DIRECTLY to >the King (and NOT to the PM) is intriguing. This may mean that step by step, the >King is asserting himself.
I could not find any thing that directly or indirectly implies that the committee would directly report to the king. As Biswo suggested, whenever a spreme court judge is assigned to some duty, the appointment comes from the king. It does not mean that these members are decided by gynendra. These kinds ofcommission, I think, report to the PM or minister.
I think this is not the first time when a commission is formed to persuade the opposition that govt is doing something. How many of these commissions have been seriously considered by the govt in terms of implementation. Just after the advent of democracy when almost every one was against panchayat, a popularly called Mallik Ayog was formed which submitted its 1000 page long report. Implementation of Mallik ayog was one of the selling points of NC and UML manifesto. Have you ever heard of these people talk it after they came to power? Now situation is different. Almost all NC, UML, ML, RPP leaders in one or other way have misused the power. Do u think they will let it implement?
U may think cynicism is in my blood
tara mareko asha lai jyundo chha bhanna naruchaune
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| 13-thum |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 10:48 PM
This is certainly a giant positive step towards corruption control. I also heard that only the king can form a committe headed by the current supreme court judge, according to our constitution. From the corruption control point of view, it is definitely better that this committe will report to king rather than the cabinet, as the cabinet is full of corrupts like Gachedar, BBKC, Khume, and so on. The formation of this committe is only a giant step towards the corruption control. However, this step will be a mile stone if it can put these corrupts behind bars. If king can achieve this goal, this will make him immensely popular.
It will be good for the democracry like ours if king can check the cabinet, specially in the case of corruption. Let us take advantage from king as we are spending so much tax payer's money on him.
Pashupati Nath le Raja ra Committe lai corruption control garne sadbuddhi ra sahas pradan garun.
13-thum
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| neutral |
Posted
on 04-Mar-02 11:31 PM
Formation of high-level judicial commission is a step in right direction. The significance of its investigation and outcome will however depend on how different interest groups assert their interest.
Lets hope it will not run the same fate as that of Mallik Comission.
Neutral
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| suspicious |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 12:22 AM
A reason to be suspicious about the outcome of this new commission.
(copied and pasted from kathmandu post)
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The Mallik Commission is the first in the series of post-1990 probe commission that were formed to probe the property supposedly illegally amassed by high-ranking government officials and politicians.
The Commission was headed by Janardan Lal Mallik, a Supreme Court justice. It did submit its report recommending legal action against at least 300 public office holders, who, the report said, were involved in various acts of corruption during the autocratic Panchayat days. But no action was taken against them.
The other major probe commission reports currently gathering dust in the officialdom are: Administrative Reforms Commission Report (submitted by Kul Shekhar Sharma in 1991), Parliamentary Revenue Leakage Investigation Committee (submitted by lawmaker Pari Thapa in 1999), Public Spending Overview Committee (submitted by lawmaker Binay Dhoj Chand in 2001).
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| neutral |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 12:58 AM
suspicious,
I do not remeber the exact wording regarding the TOR of mallik comission, but I remember well that it was not targeted for kind of financial corruption which is now in the soptlight. Rather Mallik comission's primary targets were high level politicians and officials responsible for the heavy-handedness and loss of life and property during 2046 movement. The excuse here was that all those involved acted according to the law of land (as existed) to save the regime.
So, the context is different this time!
neutral
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| neutral |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 01:11 AM
HahooGuru,
You are right in your INNOVATIVE approach to punish corrupts.
"Govinde should be put in Jail. Then, Khume, then, Bal Bahadur KC then, Gachhedar .... then, Bamdev Gautam, then,Bhim Rawal . . . . . one by one."
Just to give a rich flavor to your list, what about adding one more corrupt- Ram Chandra Paudel. I think he is one of the most corrupt in the sense that others are at least visible in general people's eye, but RCP is able to confuse people claiming that he is only clean leader in NC. Just compare his HALAT before 2046 and the LUXARY he is living now with!
neutral
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| Colin |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 02:43 AM
Thanks to Colin Powel
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 04:01 AM
Neutral Babu,
Yaar timi ta afai boksi afai jhakri jasto kura garchou ni.
Mallik ayog jasto nahos pani bhanchou, ani mallik ayog kina
thankiyo bhani justify pani garchou. ke ho yasto? Afno manche
pani parya thiye kyaho mallik ayog ma?
Kehi hint pauna ho, mitra?
HahooGuru
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| hopeful |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 08:35 AM
We are all hopeful about the corruption control commission - which is a good sign that we still have faith in our (leaders?) people. Nepali people have had faith with the commission formed to report the royal massacre too. We all know how poor job they did. The sole purpose of that commission was to calm down angry Nepalis and to take the situation under control - which they succeeded. I see similar output here. Government is forced to form such a commission to save their ass. This could be just to divert people's attention from corruption, maoist problem, price hike, inflation, and what not. However, since 'Gyan Cha and Son' need to gain popularity badly they might find some 'baliko bokas' like Bharat Gurung, DB Lama, and likes.
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| def |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 09:30 AM
In a land where mighty CWC and POLITBURO rule the government without the mandate from people, it will be very hard to eradicate corruption just by going after few people. This commission has rights only to investigate individuals it deems necessary. Nowhere it says it can investigate committees like CWC and POLITBURO or any political parties’ books. I for one believe that all the corruption on a higher level, cabinet or non-cabinet level, are some how linked to the powerful CWC and POLITBURO. After all, they need funds to keep their cadres moral high. There is a saying in nepali, “Jasle maha kadcha, usle aula chat cha”. All these Joshi, Khume, Gachhadar and any others are just mare ‘aula chatne’. “Maha” goes to the party. If political parties want to eradicate corruption, they need to start cleaning their own house. If one Joshi or Khume gets caught, there are plenty of Joshi and Khume wannabe on line eagerly waiting.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 10:42 AM
Def,
I also believe Politburo and CWC are ruling the nation but neither exist without people in it. People have formed these governing/monitoring bodies, as you know. It will be more difficult to attack on a party than an individual. If a committee declares "NC is (or UML or RPP or any other party for that matter) a curropt party" then what? who do they prosecute? CWC /Politburo? or Girija? Khum Bahadur? Govinda? Gachhedar?. Badri Mandal? Bamdev? Surya Bahadur?..May be nobody. Since the NC and other parties are full of curropts if any action is launched against their party all those bhrasta bhates will regroup sidelining their personal differences to knock down or downplay any committee. If an individual is investigated then other members of the party may not come to rescue the investigatee to avoid the spot light.
I doubt, at this time, that the committee will be effective enough in bringing in all the corrupt vultures within it's investigation but I support it's formation. It's better to see even one corrupt bhate being punished rather than see all of them roaming without any fear. One step at a time, let's sustain and maintain our balance first then we can swing our blow with full force.
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| def |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 11:16 AM
Sparsha,
I agree with you that the formation of the commission is a step into right direction. However the political parties need to establish an open book policy. They need to let the public know how they are generating revenues and who are writing the checks. Till there is such a policy, individual bhate netas will take bribes in the name of the party. Like I said one bhate neta may go to the jail but there are many waiting in line to fill the vacancy. Thus, political parties need to clean itself and discourage illegal revenue collection by setting up an example like an open book policy while establishing and empowering such commission for investigations on individuals.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 05-Mar-02 01:02 PM
Def,
"However the political parties need to establish an open book policy."
What for? and to whom?
If your answer is for transperancy and to the people whom do they claim to represent then my comment would be they (most of ganya manya bhates of any party) neither care for transperancy nor the people they represent. To them people are voters, just voters. People are made to vote. They act thinking janata haru uniharu prati uttardayi chhan, uniharu janata prati haina...damn vultures!
What am I trying to say is People should constantly demand actions from the governing bodies and all those bhate so called leaders. We should not wait until cabinet recommends king to form a committee. We should make them do it when we want.
Easy said than done, I agree.
BTW, I agree with you Def. You can hear, right? :-) just kidding!
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| krishna |
Posted
on 06-Mar-02 01:48 PM
Maybe it would be easier to use the process of elimination to winnow the chaff from the grain. Think of a kisan using a nanglo to separate grain. I've never tried it myself, but it seems that people focus on keeping the grain (read: decent politicians) rather than getting rid of the chaff (read: corrupt politicians). As the winds change, the chaff is blown off. So, rather than focusing on corrupt folks (not to say that they should be let off scot free), how about focusing on the (I assume much fewer) decent politicians as positive role-models. Those who cannot make their OWN case that they are indeed good stewards of public trust can be assumed to be chaff for the wind. Just a thought, as usual.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 06-Mar-02 02:29 PM
We wil be winnowing winnowing and winnowing and will pretty soon join FRDD (Frustration Ruled Disappointed Dudes) club suffering from Dushashan Syndrom, DS . We, probably, will end up with a mighty URUNG of chaff or husks and no @#$% grain.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 07-Mar-02 10:56 AM
sounds like you're already suffering a touch of the FRDD--join the club. i'm sure some clever folks can find a way to recycle all that chaff. mebbe they can make enough scratch off that to buy a fresh harvest of good politicians ;) talk about cash-cropping!
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 07-Mar-02 11:23 AM
Touch of FRDD? sure. I believe so. Sounds like either you haven't teased by Dushasan Syndrom, DS or haven't realized. Anyway, I also would like to have faith on "some clever folks" who can find a way to recycle that chaff. It would be really cool if they "some clever folks" could make enough scratch off that to buy a fresh harvest of good politicians. Cash-cropping, huh? I like that. This business will run like a fire on a petrol line.
BUT where are these "some clever folks"? How do we distinguish them? what are their characteristics? Since Nepal is full of duijibre mukundodharis, how do we know who are these "some clever folks"?
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| NK |
Posted
on 07-Mar-02 02:19 PM
Hahoo Guru wrote among other things:
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Girija Bhajan Mandali was trying to throw Deoba just because
Deoba was trying to use 12years, not after 2058, and I heard
King rejected earlier request to use 2058 and King returned to
make it 2046, and Girija Bhajan Mandali was in crisis, especially,
peoples like Govinda Raj Joshi, and Girija himself i.e. the way he
used govt. fund of 11crore in funneling to Dhamija Mandali, that
was headed by his lovely daughter Sujata (lovely to Girija, but,
for peoples, she is real bitch, I had ever seenany human that
qualifies "BITCH" nickname in Nepal).
****
i am deviating a bit from the core of this posting but I could not help but notice HahooGuru Ji's hostility towards certain sujata koirala. I am not too familiar with Nepali politics as HahooGuruji seems however, what I noticed was he seems to reserve one the most hateful words you could use to describe a woman, whom he apparently does not like. You invoke the name Joshi, and even Girija but when it comes to Sujata Koirala, you use the word, "BITCH" freely.
Hahooguruji, Do you use this kind of special treatment only for women? When you think are corrupt? How come you did not use the word something like Dog when you talk about one of the most corrupt men? Is this maliciousness something subconscious? A product of society rather than your own hatred towards women? I am hoping it is the latter (not that it is something to be proud of) because you had mentioned in one of the postings that you would like to see your daughter (if you had one) grown up to be a brave woman.
We can say as much as we want, “ I see no difference between men and women, that they should be encouraged, that there should be no biased based on gender and so on. But, and this is a big but, what one should be mindful is one acts when nobody is looking so to speak.
(and hahooguru ji, please don’t take this as a personal criticism)
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