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| ashu |
Posted
on 07-Mar-02 11:09 PM
Hi anepalikt,
The freedom of speech ko issue seems to have
been respected here.
a) Naresh Karki posted a sex-related link.
b) People commented nagatively and positively re: that link, and
that's expected in this publicly-available forum.
c) San, the Web Master who owns and maintains this site as a service to ALL Nepali communities, did NOT remove that Naresh Karki's "have fun" postings.
This is an important point.
d) He merely transferred it to the "sex" usergroup, which is where such
materials belong in the first place. The stuff is still there, BTW.
San's doing it, as far as as I can see, is like your local Blockbuster Video Store ko owner putting a porno video in a separate, discreet "adult" section in his store . . .
And so, San's doing what he has done satisfies my "freedom of speech"
criteria, and, I would think, judging from your postings it satisfies yours
too.
Of course, it would have been more straightforward if San had simply said:
"guys, sex usergroup is where this belongs, and that's where it is", and left it at that. He need not have made the slippery-slope argument concerning "community standards" and all that -- issues which, quite frankly, ONLY open up more problems than solutions. But that's just my opinion.
Now, this gets interesting:
e) For whatever reasons, Naresh Karki then made his apology. I, for one, did
not think Naresh Karki needed to make that apology, but never mind.
f) The issue could have ended there and then, but Hahoo Guru, for whatever reasons, chose to go after Naresh Karki, calling him a porn star and all that,
EVEN AFTER Karki has issued an apology.
g) Now the issue is: When someone says, "I am sorry", should we not accept
that apology and leave it at that and move on?
I like Hahoo Guru, but, on a larger point, I wonder what is it about us Nepalis that we are somehow unable to accept someone's mistake, someone's apology, unable to forgive and forget, and start a new chapter, and move on and on? This, I find, is quite interesting.
Comments?
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| 13-thum |
Posted
on 07-Mar-02 11:38 PM
I guess, while taking part in this type of discussion group we should be open to all types of idea and and do not take things personally. We should agree to disagree and respect the differences.
As you said we nepali, no matter how educated we are, do not try respect the opinions that are different than that of ours and go to any extent to prove ourselves right, even at the cost of demoralising or offending others. We have seen in this discussion group how people make rude comments about the people who has expressed different views.
This must be our inferiority complex. We think that we are so fragile that we can not miss any chance to defend ourself and go to any extent in doing that. When can we get rid of this inferiority complex and insecurity feeling.
13-thum
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| neutral |
Posted
on 08-Mar-02 01:22 AM
As a proverb goes:
JOGI LADCHHAN KHARANI KO LAGI
implying the contradiction our JOGIs are loaded with. They claim to have renounced all materials goods and comforts but end up fighting for KHARANI.
Likewise, the unwarranted raw is nothing but a reflection of loads of contradictions we are living with.
Neutral
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| _BP |
Posted
on 08-Mar-02 06:03 AM
Freedom of speech is a double-edged sword...which really is the best type of sword. Sometimes, the only thing separating graffiti from philosophy is profanity.
Although Naresh Karki posted what he did, he prefaced it quite well.
There is certainly a lot of free speech on this site. Brings to mind a certain quip by George Burns:
"Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy
driving cabs and cutting hair." ... and writing to Sajha.com for that matter.
Not that I am an expert. But sometimes, it may be better to shut up and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt, eh?
Finally, a word to the wise, courtesy of George Bernard Shaw:
"Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than
we deserve."
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| jira |
Posted
on 08-Mar-02 07:33 AM
who is this hahoo guru anyway? Seems like too smart for nothing. He keeps barking no matter whatever other says. I do not see single person supporting him for his comments on Naresh Karki's apology. I did not want to make longer thread by raising this topic but I am glad that I realize that I think parallely with my other nepali folks unlike Mr. So called HG." Besi masu khojyo bhuney huddi ma purcha guru ji".....
kina sense naayeko? Yattika dherrai manchey ley comment gurda ta deemag ma ghusnu nee!!!
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 08-Mar-02 12:32 PM
HahooGuru – I hope you’re like me, insults and criticism just rolls off me like water on a ducks back.
I do enjoy your postings. However, I have to say, I don’t always agree with your POV, and that’s just fine. Granted Naresh Karki shouldn’t have posted his porn link on the main discussion board, but how do we know it wasn’t an honest mistake? And if porn is what Naresh Karki gets his kicks from, he should have the right to tell us so and share it with those who might also be interested. Anyone who’s not interested or opposed to it always has the option not to click on the links Naresh Karki provided. Right? Like I said, his only mistake was posting it on the main discussion board instead of the specific user group.
We’re not picking on you per se, but there are some of us do think your reaction was a bit on the excessive side. And to give him credit, Naresh Karki did apologize.
(Perhaps this might have been better suited under the thread “On free speech and apologies”…)
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 08-Mar-02 12:33 PM
BP, stop consulting your book of “quotable quotes” :)
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| ?????? |
Posted
on 08-Mar-02 10:07 PM
who is this Naresh Karki????? Everybody is talking about him.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 09-Mar-02 10:43 AM
Ashu, tell you the truth, I guess I am more opposed to pornography that I am for freedom of speech. That is one way I might differ from you. I just don't have that much faith in human kind. I feel that if you leave everything for the lowest common denominator, well that's what you will have.
You observation that what San has done is pretty satisfactory with me is right. I think San has done a great job. Of couse it woudl be nicer if he dis notify people when somethis was removed/moved. But whatever!
The issue of community standards is a difficult, but hey so what. It is an important issue and I think we should talk about it. I am all for accountability. I don't think individual action is without consequence. No one is saying remove the sex usergroup! As much as I would rather we did, I am not insisting on it! But I AM askign people to talk about what our community standards are even if this is only a virtual community.
If we can't even talk about it, what the heck! So what if if it is a slippery slope and what if it open a can on worm. How fun. I think a characteristics of us Nepalis is to always seek harmony... no rocking the boat, no questioning the status quo!!
Now about Naresh Karki and Hahoo guru........... who cares! Karki apologised and that shoudl be good enough. He was testing waters and the COMMUNITY told him what was or was NOT acceptable! He backed down and Hahooguru was ungracious. Whatever.
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