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| BDM |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 04:09 PM
Why or why not?
I am a supporter of the caste system. In a country like Nepal, where there are so many ethnic groups, the caste system *IS* required to maintain one's purity? And why is purity important, u might ask. Simple answer, ethnic groups practicing endogamy have higher IQ on average than mixed ones. I am not saying that mixed people can't be smart, of course they can, but the deviation is so huge that there are as many dumb ones as there are smart ones. Examples of ethnic groups that practice endogamy are the Jews, Brahmins,Parsees(although they are following the path of extinction), Northern Asians(Northern Chinese, Koreans and Japanese) and Northern Europeans(scandinavians, anglo-saxons). While interaction between different ethnic groups is a requirement, intercaste/interracial marriage will just make our country dumber.
I am not denying the fact that mixed groups in Nepal are hotter than pure ones. We all know that Chettri and Newari gals are hotter than bahuns. In any case, it's your life, and u can do whatever u want with it. As for me, I will either marry a bahuni(it's the personality that counts), or remain a bachelor(/ virgin) for life.
Please, no flaming. I want honest answers. I also wanna hear from women, and I specifically mention women coz they usually stay quiet when someone starts topic of this nature.
P.S. I am not a racist/casteist. I do believe that Nepal can prosper if various groups are able to settle their differences. I also believe that we need representatives from various ethnic backgrounds in politics, commensurate to the % of ethnic groups that our population has.
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| YouSimplyDontKnow |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 04:20 PM
BDM:
You simply don't know what the hell are you talking about and what the hell is caste
system. It is not about marriage. It is about descrimination in everything. If you
think it is good, then , Dr Biswo Nath Sharma in Lagankhel Mental hospital is
waiting for you. You can as well paint your shirt with Swastika and go there...
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| Nepaligal |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 07:44 PM
Hi BDM,
I am a nepaligal and I don't know what the hell r u talking about...nowadays u r still considering CASTE system...??? As long as if the gal or guy wants eachother, love eachother there is not a problem. And in my personal thinking that's the way to do and be a life partner.
Like "You simply don't know" points out u need to go.........................
"If you think it is good, then , Dr Biswo Nath Sharma in Lagankhel Mental hospital is
waiting for you. You can as well paint your shirt with Swastika and go there... "
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| qw |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 07:48 PM
You simply don't know, I totally agree with you. I think bdm is crazy. He thinks he is not racist but his writing is racist. You must be chuche BAHUN. Go to Bagmati river and ask for money.
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| DivaShah2 |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 08:27 PM
If children of endogomy are so smart, why is your country so poor and underdeveloped? Have you done research on IQ levels of children from non-endogomy couples? The CASTE system is the reason your country is under attack from maoists. Get out of the dark age dude. Change the way your people think so that all of the deprived people quit trying to shoot racists like you.
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| WHAT |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 08:48 PM
Hey man!! Why you being such a duece bag? You must be really proud about ya Brahmin caste ha?? Grow up!!
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| Wonderer |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 10:05 PM
I don't have anywords for this PANDIT.
But, I want to copy and paste it:
"You simply don't know" points out u need to go.........................
"If you think it is good, then , Dr Biswo Nath Sharma in Lagankhel Mental hospital is waiting for you. You can as well paint your shirt with Swastika and go there... "
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| BDM |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 10:43 PM
No, caste system in Nepal isn't bad. If I were an Indian or something, I would have opposed the caste system all right. But the thing is, in Nepal, the caste system represents various races. India is basically homegeneous, DNA analyses have shown this.
Brahmins=predominantly indo-nepalis, of dravidian ancestry(sorry, we aren't aryans, Iranians are aryans, not us), but there are some mongoloid-looking bahuns, I am not gonna deny that. It's true, we're mixed, but I still think it's not much.
Chettris= predominantly indo-nepalis(Rajput/Scythian ancestry. You wish u were aryan), but can be mixed, depending on subcaste
Newars=Tibetans+Indians
Gorkhalis=Tibeto-burman Nepalis. Even they are mixed, way too many nak chucche Gorkhes out there(Are u one of em??)
Podeys/Damais/Sarkis=indegenous, Khasias
I heartily agree that we need to do something about untouchability. But besides that, why do we have to oppose the caste system? Belonging to a caste is a matter of pride and identitity. Why do we need to get rid of a 3000 yr old custom???
Diva Shah, it has been shown that progeny of inter-racial marriage=usually dumber. And as to why my country is poor, it's because there are just too many ethnic groups in Nepal, and it's also because of racial mixing. While it's true that virtually everyone in Nepal has intermixed to certain degree, we can still make ourselves purer by practicing strict endogamy. Go to Nepali chatroom sometimes, you'll be surprised to notice that Nepalis do nothing else besides bickering. Tamangs diss Gurungs, Gurungs diss "bhotes", and everybody disses bahuns and chettris. Simple equation, no unity=no prosperity. We gotta be united, true, but that doesn't mean that we gotta get mixed, u know.....
Unity with mixing is the way to go.
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| BDM |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 10:44 PM
P.S. last sentence should read unity *without* mixing.
Ciao
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| Bhagwati |
Posted
on 17-Mar-02 11:54 PM
hahahahahahaha....
I see lots of confusions here. I think. "Bahuns" are synonyms for "Pandit", "Purohit" etc... then.. Newars have their own purohits.. Tamangs have their own purohits, Sherpa have their own purohits.. hmmmm... but I am not sure Chettri's have any purohits or not...but bahuns have their own purohit too... Therefore, I can say.. bahuns have their own bahuns..
Good news is BDM can marry girls from all the caste.. Congratulations.. since all of them have Bahuns...
Where does this end now?
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| Neutral |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 12:19 AM
I do not understand why you people are getting wild over BDM's posting. He is simply floating an opinion (which has a lot substance in terms of what is being practiced in Nepal fortunately or unfortunately). BDM has also presented his argument with some logic. I do not think the expression of preference for endogamy constitutes an act of racial discrimination (please correct me if I am mistaken!).
-neutral
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| DivaShah2 |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 07:21 AM
DEAR BDM,
1.WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?
YOU CANT GO AROUND SAYING THINGS WITHOUT SHOWING US ANY PROOF. I WANT TO SEE THE DOCUMENTED FACTS.
2.WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PURE?
HUMAN BEINGS CAN'T BE IMPURE.
3.ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT PRODUCTS OF INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE ARE DUMB AND IMPURE?
4.DID YOU KNOW THAT CASTE SYSTEM WAS MADE BY SOME KINGS? WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE A SLAVE OF MAN MADE RULES?
YOU ARE CALLING ME IMPURE AND DUMB.JUST GIVE ME YOUR REAL NAME AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME VERY ANGRY. I AVOID HANGING OUT WITH SOME OF THE NEPALESE BECAUSE THEY ARE SO RACIST LIKE YOU. THEY TALK TOO MUCH LIKE YOU DO WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS. YOU JUST ASSUME. BY ASSUMING YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE ASS OF YOU AND ME.
I DON'T SUPPORT THE CASTE SYSTEM. I HATE THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO.
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| Bostonian |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 08:04 AM
BDM,
When Adolf Hitler was campaigning for power in the 1920s and 30s, he used the same themes you are using now. Unity through racial purity, racial mixing= inferior people. You say that you are not racist, but you speak their language perfectly. And to blame Nepal's problems on interacial relationships? Perhaps Nepal's problems stem from people like you who hold on to outdated traditions and ways of thinking and their reason for doing so is because their parents and then their parents did it like this. I am in an interracial relationship. And mark my words, my children will be just as good as yours. Most likely they will be better, for they will believe in equality, pluralism, the right to choose your own path, and finally that any caste system is wrong.
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| DSharma |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 02:45 PM
I believe the caste system was introduced long long time back for the purpose of division of labor. But, it is because of the selfish intentions of all the castes, and not only one, that the system now reflects inequality, hatred and other social problems amongst the people. I recommend you to go through the essay " Musalai ved padhaune dhunma" by Hriday Chandra Singh Pradhan if you have not already done so. A great essay that mocks all the selfish and evil intentions of all the castes!
As for BDM's case that the caste system is good so that our identity can be preserved, I agree with you. But, the social evils attached with the system are inseparable now and outweigh the advantages of the caste system. Therefore, I don't think it is good to advocate for the caste system unless drastic educative measures are taken such that each kid is taught to believe, and believes, that caste system makes none greater than the others. But, I do not have any doubt that it is impossible for this to happen!
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| rebelious sevendust |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 03:38 PM
ok BDM, so you think you are better than others huh. what have you done so good to be so superior? it sounds to me that all the bahun chicks that you like have non- bahun husband or boyfriend and you are simply jealous. By the way I'm sanyasi and according to your belief i'm higher caste than you are. so take my "AARTI" and get over your low self-esteem. AND TO YOU MISS DIVA, where are you from? since you were refering nepal "your country". If you are from nepal then you're even worst than BDM because BDM doesn't like other caste than his but it looks like you don't like the whole country.
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| rebelious sevendust |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 03:44 PM
BDM
" ghasi daridra gharko tara buddhi kasto, ma bhanu bhakta dhani bhaikana aaja yesto". do you remember this? just wanted to remind you that the above sentences was said by a bahun....... complementing a non-bahun poor guy.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 03:52 PM
Who wants caste system any more?
You want to separate people? They are seggregated already. Some are engineers,
some are doctors, some are workers, some are rebels, some are corrupts, some
are ministers and some are inspectors. There are plenty of other categories by
which a person can be separated.
Demand for congenital separation is a racist and retrogressive view.
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| BDM |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 04:41 PM
Hey Diva Shah, it's a fact that progeny of interracial marriage will be dumber than purer individuals(by pure I mean those practicing endogamy). Do I even have to find an article? U know, u can do it yourself, there are plenty on the web. Nevertheless, while this is a eugenics site, it does discuss about the purity of the Jews.
http://home.att.net/~eugenics/mac.htm
"Jews average IQ is now 117 versus an average of 103 for Caucasians. His book details how this came about, using a selection process for intelligence that included not allowing outsiders to become Jews, while encouraging the less intelligent Jews to defect."
Look, don't compare me with Hitler, ok? Jews also try to marry withing their own group, does that mean they are racist too????
Rebelius Sevendust, you really think bahun parents will allow inter-racial marriage? Trust me, if a bahun chic is seen with a non-bahun, her parents are gonna marry her to a bahun, right on the spot.... It just works that way...U don't see bahuns dating other castes that often....
Baburam bhattarai, who has a Newarni wife, wants every Nepalis to look like his children. Let's just remain diverse. Why do we need to mix???? Even in the US, u don't see whites dating non-whites that often, u know.... U call that racist too??? People are naturally attracted to their own people... it's always possible to interact w/o inter-racial marriage... that's why USA is so successful...
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| Boston_dude |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 04:56 PM
BDM,
So, is it only IQ that matters? Is that the sole purpose of your existence? And, like someone else pointed out earlier, your main reason to marry is to breed smart kids? Hmmm... what's the next litmus test you specify doc?
Life is much more than books and IQ tests brother. Take this from a Top10 US University grad. And, if you think life's achievements are measured in some tests, then ... well, I dont think I have to say anything.
You keep holding on to your "pure" thoughts and marry any "pure" girl (make that Brahmin girl). Have yourself a smart bookworm kid. While we the "commoners" have all the fun, date anyone we want (the pretty ones of course), live a happy and FREE life. Hey, who knows? Perhaps growing up in a loving and open minded family, our kids might actually do better than yours.
Wake up and smell the roses man. ooops, what do u know about flowers? Other than its biological nomenclature of course.
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| BDM |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 05:15 PM
Well, u also gotta think about the future, u know. Life's not just bacchanalia and debauchery... Since it's your life, u can do whatever u want with it, I don't care. But I'm gonna lead my life the way I perceive it to be "ideal" which, of course, I define.
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| fren |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 09:54 PM
Guys,
open up ur eyes. We don't have caste system i here in the US. Despite that racism still exists. So unless people are willing to change, eradiciating caste sytem will do nothing. If someone supports bahuns, rest of us start calling him all sort of names such as pandits and what not. We are all culprits for what is happening to our country. We are not willing to change and if we are we want to lose our culture. This is too sad.
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| Bostonian |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 08:43 AM
BDM,
So we should think about the future, huh? Well, I do not think I want to think about the future you have in mind. You mention that Jews marry other Jews and the reason for America's success is homogeneity. Many may choose to marry within their own ethnic group. It is their choice. But when you post comments on a public website that mixed people are dumber and racial purity is the way to go, you are not simply exercising your personal choice.
Now countering you next post, which will surely be about you right to free speech, of course you have a right to post whatever you want.
Don't compare you to Hitler?? I think I will, because again you speak the same language. Hitler's actions have shown us what happens when racial purity gets out of hand. If you need other examples, please see the Klu Klux Klan or Miloshovic. If you are ashame to be compared to them, perhaps you should be careful of what you post.
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