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| Chintak |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 03:10 PM
Hi everyone,
I just graduated with a degree in Computer Science but unfortunately havent found a job yet. So I am planning to return back to Nepal soon............
Sometimes I feel like I have made a good decision but sometimes I feel like I am a failure................
Do you think going back to Nepal after not getting a job here is a failure in life ?????
I would really appreciate some decent suggestions.
thanks
Chintak
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| Boston_dude |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 03:33 PM
Chintak,
Come on now. That alone in itself is never a failure in LIFE. It is only one battle and the war is not over by any means. Seems like you have only begun, so dont let this early setback question your purpose in life.
Not getting a job after completing college can be tough. Especially if there is a lot of pressure mounting on you from either yourself or your family and friends. I had a similar experience and I also knew there was no future for me in Nepal. No connections for "bhan sun" u know. So, I decided to stick it out here and do whatever it takes to get back up again. Well, I am back on my feet again and doing well in fact. (I have a good job now I mean.) So, my advice to you is: dont be dillusional about prospects or lack there of in Nepal and know yourself. Ask yourself what YOU want. Maybe Nepal is the right option for you. maybe gutting it out here is right for you. Whatever it is, make sure it is your decision and that you are doing it for yourself and not because of the mounting pressure.
it is only an advice.
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| Montou |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 05:25 PM
It's not your fault bro. Just hope something will work out. I will be praying for you bro.
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| Nepaligal |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 07:22 PM
Hi Chintak,
think about yourself and make a decision and there is a one quote
"Everything happens for our own good".....I forgot the author.....
----nepaligal
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| Friend |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 07:38 PM
Don't worry friend, you did your job very well by getting your education, Job is not in your hand as it not you who create job jobs.you just fill the job market, what can you do if there is not enough job for the new graduates.
Don't be dishartned and certainly you are not failure, Life is big, just getting a good job does not making a failure and success..
Beast of wishes for whatever you do
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| not failure |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 07:42 PM
it is due to bad time not u
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| kancha77 |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 08:56 PM
Dear Mr.Chintak.
I think you have really made a good decision to go back to Nepal. After ll,if we students who come to the US get stuck here there who's gonna develop our country???????? GOVINDE .........? no way.
I respect your feelings and decision!
kancha77
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| _BP |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 09:01 PM
Thru fire is iron forged young man.
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 18-Mar-02 09:32 PM
dear chintak,
everybody goes through that phase. I went through that, and i guess, most of us who frequent this site have been through this phase (or are going through this). What's the big deal? I didn't have a job for 7 months after I graduated, but I survived. There's always a hope, don't give up easily. Have you applied for practical trainning yet? Have you considered using your school's alumni network to get a job? Have you talked with career counslars at your school? There ae so many things you can do. Nobody ends up getting a job right after college. So, don't stress out much, explore your options. And when you are looking for vacancies, why don't you spend the time you have doing something really constrcutive, i.e, read good books, watch some great movies, do things that you couldn't do while in school. This will help you a lot with coping with the stress. I am glad that you were brave enough to bring what's been bothering you to the board.
And, no, you are not a failure. The guy who started Teach-in-China program (whom I know personally) always told me that he too didn't have a job for a year after he graduated. And you know where he ended up working after a year? No, not at anywhere impressiv e, but as a waiter in a restaurant, that too in a very bad (unsafe) neighborhood in DC. But he hung on, and later started what became a huge HUGE success. If you considedr people who don't get a decent job/or people who decide to come back to Nepal a failure, then you'll find tons of those, in the US and in Nepal. I came back to Nepal because, I felt i could contribute more in my country (and at the same time learn). And believe me, I have been learning a lot. Even though I make less money, I am happy. I am getting to meet people, go to functions and take french classes!
I had no complains with the job and scholarship I had at my alma-mater. So, if you decide to come back to Nepal, come back because here you will get to learn many things. You can reconnect with your family, work, see places.. there are MANY things to do in Nepal. And I haeve seen many US-returnees happy with their life in Nepal.
The most important thing, as someone already mentioned is you completed your education. You are a college graduate and that's a big achievement in itself. Instead of looking for what you haven't gained in life, look at what you have gained and be proud of yourself (and think how proud your parents are to have you, atleast you didn't drop-out!).
Trailokya
PS- Have you seen this movie, Reality Bites.. if not, its the time to see it. Highly reccommended.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 03:15 AM
Coming to and staying in Nepal either for good or some years in your 20s and 30s could one of life's best decisions.
Consider the benefits:
a) you can take care of your aging parents.
b) you can encourage your younger siblings to do better in school and so on and make a difference in their lives.
c) with drive, persistence, sustained credibility and expertise in your area, you
can soon get to know and learn from just about any influential/famous person
quite well
d) you write a few well-argued articles for a newspaper or two, and everyone
who matters seems to know your name.
e) you learn to deal with everyday frustrations and inconveniences with humor and equanimity.
f) if you aspire to a leadership position someday, there are plenty of chances to take the beginning steps toward that role in a number of sectors: from academia to business to public policy and what not.
g) you can spend your week-ends in some of the most beautiful places on the planet -- merely a short drive/ride away from the center of Kathmandu.
i) thanks to the Web, you are never really far from your US and other foreign contacts and friends.
j) if you plan your career carefully and with guidance from your mentors, you
can -- in this knowledge economy -- leverage your Nepal experiences into
greater and more fulfilling and rewarding careers in and out of Nepal.
Just come with nothing but your skills and
tons of optimism,
a wide smile,
a Palm m125 that you want to fill up with 10,000 contacts you are going to make here,
a tenacious attitude
a hunger for success
a drive to achieve
huge self-confidence and a little ego
and an OPEN, learning-friendly mind
and an ability to bounce back from defeats and setbacks.
Here's to toast to your success, my friend!!
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Chintak |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 07:51 AM
Dear all,
Thanks for your valuable suggestions specially Trailokya and ashu..... Well I am really excitied about coming back home. The only thing that scares me is the rotten systems that exists in Nepal, specailly the dirty "leg pulling" game people play to bring you down for no reasons. I guess I should make myself strong enough to face it.
well gotta go n do some packing,
thanks again,
Chintak.
P.S. Trailokya thanks for bringing up the name of that movie, I have already seen it and its really cool, I think all graduates with no jobs should once see it.....
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| PS |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 08:15 AM
Chintak,
I work in the publishing industry and there is always a need for comupter professionals. Go to monster and search under Pearson Education, McGraw Hill, and Thompson Education. Hope this help.
Congratulations on everything you've achieved thus far.
Best
PS
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| Murari |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 08:32 AM
Brother, you are whatever YOU THINK you are. You came to a foreign country with nothing, woked hard, studied hard and have a degree. Doesn't that make you a winner already ? Wasn't that the main goal, to get a degree from a college?
So you have it, dude. No offense hai, but you may friends who came here with
student visa but doing nothing. What about them ? Does that make them failures also ? I don't think so. I can understand the pressure you are going through but
you have to find the way and need to stick with it, no matter what. I know you can do it. For your info, failure isn't that bad at all. Faiilng gives you more options in life and gains you horizon. Good Luck
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 11:31 AM
You got a degree. That is a success. Jobs are subject to economy. It has nothing to do with your capability. It is not a failure. Returning to Nepal is a different matter. Nepal definitely needs competent people like you. You could be bigger success in nepal than in USA. Just think about it. Best wishes!
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| Revival |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 01:56 PM
A good motivational postings from Trilokya and Ashu.. I am not a regular poster in Sajha.com but I do read the postings a lot! To tell you honestly lot of the times they are junk and I think why I am wasting my time reading the junk but this one is certainely a very good topic that needs discussion and of course a motivational feedback from people like Trilokya and Ashu who went back to Nepal and are doing something to help our Country.
Hats off to you Chintak for your great decision, Ashu and Trilokya for your motivational support to this young and enthusiastic guy. Hopefull you will be able to take care of him when he gets there and give him some insights from your experience that you gained becoming a US-return-well-doing people.
People like you three can make a difference!
One small suggestion though...after trying for couple of years, you might get frustrated, wanna come back etc but beaware it can take time for you to actually get something out of your education in a country like Nepal. Just hold on tight as it can be a very exciting rollar coaster ride there!
Waiting for a New Beginning...
Revival
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| !@0 |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 05:58 PM
People are fleeing from Nepal at highest rate. I wonder if you could drag for couple of month searching job in different sector your future might be better off. American economy is recovering and I hope it will be back to normal by the end of 3rd quarter. I don't see any sign of light in Nepal. Decision is in your hand our job is to provide suggestions. Good Luck.
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| utter failure |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 06:43 PM
Hey dude,
If you go back to Nepal, you will be the autter failure, like ashu tiwari. He was trying to obtain job in several giant companies, while he turned out from the school, finally he went back to stick with his aging parents. So, you should not go back to Nepal with feeling as a utter failure.
Good luck for paying you off.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 07:56 PM
Utter falure wrote:
"If you go back to Nepal, you will be the autter failure, like ashu tiwari. He was trying to obtain job in several giant companies, while he turned out from the school, finally he went back to stick with his aging parents."
This is FALSE, coming, as it does, from an anonymous attacker against a real
poster such as me.
It's all water under the bridge now, but I had had some great offers a few Wall
Street firms that did stroke my vanity at the time!! After all, if you know how to have great interviews, you can land good jobs in Ameica and anywhere else!!
In retrospect, however, I am very happy that I decided to stay on in Nepal to
help out as a strategist for the then ongoing Kamaiya Movement in Nepal. After all, with good credentials, I figured, one can always work for top companies later on too, but one CANNOT easily participate in a social movement that literally changes thousands of people's lives in Nepal.
It was my privilege to work with Dilli Chaudhray and Yagya Raj Chaudhary and others on the Kamaiya Movement through Martin Chautari.
Now, that is the truth.
You are welcome to NOt believe any of it and continue with your attacks. And good luck to you.
As for me, I'd consider myself a failure only if The Economist and The New
York Times both fail to publish my obituary when I die 40 years from now :-)
As for my aging parents, they are my parents and I enjoy being with
them. I am sure you love your parents too.
Here's a toast to you, my friend, and a toast to the open-ness of this
forum!!
oohi
"used to this sort of attacks"
ashu
ktm,nepal
But I do
So, you should not go back to Nepal with feeling as a utter failure."
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| ashu |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 08:24 PM
"One small suggestion though...after trying for couple of years, you might get frustrated, wanna come back etc but beaware it can take time for you to actually get something out of your education in a country like Nepal. Just hold on tight as it can be a very exciting rollar coaster ride there! "
Well, you get frustrated if you expect too much and too soon and if you expect to rapid changes. I see it very clearly that, in a few years, with right networks and right expertise, one can be a highly-paid, globally demanded and traveling-all-over-the-world kind of professional in your particular field while being rooted in Nepal.
There are a couple of Nepalis whom I consider to be my role models, and it will
be worth a try to figure out new ways of being a global professional with strong
roots in Nepal. This way, you get the best of both worlds: Western professionalism and Nepali liberal social values.
Plenty of Indians are already like that: globally demanded professionals with strong roots in India. Why can't we in Nepal also be the same too?
Careers, says management guru Peter Drucker, are undergoing such rapid changes in these uncertain times that today's high-flying success in company A may appear as a mere historical curiosity tomorrow.
And so, learning how to manage uncertainties CONTINUOUSLY is one area that one can learn quite well in Nepal for future business and public leadership in and out of Nepal.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 08:25 PM
"One small suggestion though...after trying for couple of years, you might get frustrated, wanna come back etc but beaware it can take time for you to actually get something out of your education in a country like Nepal. Just hold on tight as it can be a very exciting rollar coaster ride there! "
Well, you get frustrated if you expect too much and too soon and if you expect to rapid changes. I see it very clearly that, in a few years, with right networks and right expertise, one can be a highly-paid, globally demanded and traveling-all-over-the-world kind of professional in your particular field while being rooted in Nepal.
There are a couple of Nepalis whom I consider to be my role models, and it will
be worth a try to figure out new ways of being a global professional with strong
roots in Nepal. This way, you get the best of both worlds: Western professionalism and Nepali liberal social values.
Plenty of Indians are already like that: globally demanded professionals with strong roots in India. Why can't we in Nepal also be the same too?
Careers, says management guru Peter Drucker, are undergoing such rapid changes in these uncertain times that today's high-flying success in company A may appear as a mere historical curiosity tomorrow.
And so, learning how to manage uncertainties CONTINUOUSLY is one area that one can learn quite well in Nepal for future business and public leadership in and out of Nepal.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Bagwati |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 08:37 PM
I don't understand why people feel so insecure to go to Nepal. We expect things to work out on themselves. We expect for a nice job to wait for us as soon as we graduate. I am wondering, if anyone of us has any guts to create an opportunity of our own. We read big books, talk big..do we ever even try to make things happen on our own?
Just a thought. Because I want to.
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| pleaseDoThis |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 08:43 PM
Anyone why not give some suggestion about how to start a successful business
and make it sustainable in Nepal? Any mgmt expert please.
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| Bhagwati |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 09:03 PM
hmmm.. we would need some Entrepreneurs with brains.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 19-Mar-02 10:32 PM
Hi all,
In Nepal, I work -- yes, full-time, and, yes, quite productively and happily and
yes, even with a raise and a promotion and all that -- as a business developer
for the pure private sector (i.e. NOT NGOs, NOT co-ops and so on but) hardcore private sector players!).
My goal is this: Help translate/shepherd Nepali entrepreneurs' (from members
of the Jyoti Group to recent MBAs) and business people ko ideas into
PROFITABLE products.
What I do could be described as a 'soft' combination of venture capitalism and
management consulting. And so much of what I do (till midnight, if you have been following the timing of some of my postings! :-)) is help make hard-nosed business strategies by asking rigorous, dispassionate questions and seeking market-based answers.
If you are coming to Nepal, and have business ideas that you want to see how promising they are, do not hesitate to contact me. If I can't help you myself, I would probably know someone who can, and so on and on.
It's a small, small networked world, after all -- the world that values NOT geography but deliverable expertise and solid networks.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| utter failure |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 01:30 PM
Hello,
Perhaps, the word remains always with any possible guessing that it may apply for your plan to go to Nepal to help Kamaiyas, however you sound as an utter failure.
You might have thousands of job offers from various companies, but you could hardly persuade those people who knew you very closely. At this moment, US economy has severe recession and this recession was begun from year 2000. So, there was few jobs that any unexperience applicant could get that. Forget that jobs for the mighty graduates from Harvard.
My saying is that the truth can not be suppressed and do not attempt to cover any truths with any false statement. You are the utter failure, but you may establish in Nepal among the Kamaiyas, because they can hardly know what English alphabets are.
utter failure.....
enjoy in Nepal.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 01:46 PM
Dear Utter failure-ji,
Please suit yourself with whatever it is that you want to believe about me.
That is fine.
I wish you every success that has, well, eluded me.
oohi
"utter failure"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| reply to the utter loser |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 01:51 PM
utter failure,
ashu went to harvard. Where did u?
ashu is working in nepal and has a very lucrative job. What is yours?
ashu is Ashutosh Tiwari. What the heck is your name?
ashu is looking after his parents. Where are your parents?
ashu writes and writes well. What do you write except this persoanl- who- is -a -failure kind of nonsense. Contrary to the evidence.
ahsu's writing is everywhere. where is yours?
ashu is a egoist, brainy and brave, but you are devious, malicious, coward.
ashu again went to harvard. this really bothers you doesn't it?
i have nothing but pity for you.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 01:54 PM
Oh, I forgot to add:
I say that, UF-ji because I do take great comfort from the fact that of all the people on sajha.com, the fact that you have chosen to attack me is perhaps
a tiny measure of my whatever (gasp, choke!) success :-)
And so, keep up the good work!!
Also, while you are at it, don't forget to read The Economist in
December, 2044 :-)
oohi
"utter failure"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| walter |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 03:29 PM
what's happening in December 2044?
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| RP |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 09:35 PM
Chintak,
You are already given a tremendous amount of suggestions by other well wishers. I do not have anything to say, but I can push your resumes in right places. Send your resume at Info@infoinform.com
RP
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| Watch out! |
Posted
on 21-Mar-02 12:02 AM
hey BDM,
Why u using that foul language while he is not even talkin to u. And who says janitor aint a good job, if one is happy with his work it doesn't matter what u do. Get a life! Community college is also a real college dummy and one can gain lotta knowledge from it rather than some $%#@ed up guy from some ivy league college. I am not sayin that the guy "utter failure" is talkin' any sense out here but u 've got no right to use those foul languages to anybody. That was a big bummer!
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