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| diwas k |
Posted
on 24-Mar-02 02:44 PM
In an earlier post in this forum, I brought up the issue of plagiarism, and I included a link to the bio page of the author in question. Since then I have discussed the issue with Rabin Bajracharya.
I think I owe it to everyone, and especially to friends of Rabin, to point out that I do not have any "dushmani" with Rabin, unlike some emails I have been getting seem to sugggest. He is a well liked individual in his community. I have utmost respect for him. The whole posting was not meant to discredit Rabin, but that one article. Those who think it is a vendetta are wrong in making that assumption. I will not respond to third party narratives against me. I have since explained to Rabin why that article in question was posted in the first place, and I have realized that it could have been done without including the bio page.
Yes, one negative comment in public forum makes one's life miserable to some extent. And that bio link in the post in question might have done just that. But I must add in Rabin's defense of his credibility, with respect to everything else he stands for (and excluding that article in question), and admitting that I may not be in the position to make that judgement, that his accomplishments speak for themselves.
You may take it as my apology for including that bio link that may not have been necessary.
_diwas
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| youAreApologizing? |
Posted
on 24-Mar-02 02:50 PM
Diwasji:
You Are Apologizing? Come on, you have nothing to apologize. He may be well
liked individual, but he has done irreparable harm to Nepali readers. He is the one
who should apologize publicly. You did good by including bio link, at least people
know who the person is, and won't blame Rabin of North Carolina, or New Mexico
for that!
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| diwas k |
Posted
on 24-Mar-02 03:21 PM
I guess it is a little price one has to pay for trying to remain un_anonymous in a public forum and maintain some academic sanity, and not let the middle_people reap any benefits out of the situation.
_diwas
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| Incanus_ |
Posted
on 24-Mar-02 05:35 PM
Dear Mr. Diwas K.,
Your article on Plagiarism was very interesting. You bring up something that happened two and a half years ago. If you are sincere, and I have no doubt that you are, about eliminating plagiarism within our Nepali community, please bring forth some more examples. Expose some more culprits. Just don't try to make an example of one individual’s single mistake. After all we are all entitled to make a mistake, maybe make a bad judgment sometimes ... that does not mean that you have a right to vilify him in public. If you can prove a repeated behavior of plagiarism, then this group will support you all the way but don't take a single example and crucify the guy.
It is great of you to apologize to Rabin in person and in public. It would also be nice to have Rabin also to come to this forum and officially apologize and clear the air for his youthful indiscretion.
Incanus
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| Subas Gadtaula |
Posted
on 24-Mar-02 05:41 PM
Incanus or whatever:
Are you crazy dumb, or the follower of Robin? Will you write your name? How the hell you dare to attack Diwas for doing what should be done? There is nothing like crucification of Robin. He crucified himself. He made mistake, because he cut and pasted one article from Sun.com and put his name atop of that. Diwas's natural reaction to that form of forgerty is commendable.
No need to apologize ,Diwas. You did good job.Please keep on.
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| diwas k |
Posted
on 24-Mar-02 06:07 PM
>Dear Mr. Diwas K.,
>
>Your article on Plagiarism was very
>interesting. You bring up something that
>happened two and a half years ago. If you
Plagiarism is plagiarism, irrespective of when it happened, how it happened and why it happened.
>are sincere, and I have no doubt that you
>are, about eliminating plagiarism within our
>Nepali community, please bring forth some
>more examples. Expose some more culprits.
Please search through the gbnc dot org (predecessor of sajha dot com) forum for more examples.
>Just don't try to make an example of one
>individual’s single mistake. After all we
>are all entitled to make a mistake, maybe
>make a bad judgment sometimes ... that does
>not mean that you have a right to vilify him
>in public. If you can prove a repeated
When one decides to publish something in public forum (including print media and internet), the author has to be accountable for the accuracy, authenticity and intellectual originality. By making some piece of work public, the author leaves it to the reading public to debate/discuss/dissect on it, and the author has to be able to defend the work in public, and not just take any negative comments as simply villification.
>behavior of plagiarism, then this group will
>support you all the way but don't take a
>single example and crucify the guy.
It is not a matter of crucification of a single guy. Please refer to above response. Also, if only a repeated instance of plagiarism would suffice for the reading public to bring the matter up for public debate, I would have to ask you what constitutes "repeated behavior".
>
>It is great of you to apologize to Rabin in
>person and in public. It would also be nice
>to have Rabin also to come to this forum and
>officially apologize and clear the air for
>his youthful indiscretion.
It makes me wonder, why we are so ready to bask in the glory of one little good we do, and can't tolerate a bit of criticism for one mistake we make. Yes, we are entitled to our fair share of mistakes, but the greatness lies in being able to learn from it and move on, and not just lash out at the critics. Is it in our human nature, or is it because of some other reasons that we have yet to evolve out of?
>
>Incanus
_diwas
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-Mar-02 06:21 PM
Hahoo!Guru is with Diwas.
As long as Rabin do not accept it as mistake from his
part and let the readers know his mistakes and apologize
for the mistakes, Rabin will be criticized, and referred several
time. Such repeatition is to ensure that there will be not
similar mistake from another poster. Greatness is to avoid
same mistake occure 2nd time, and The "mistake" should not be
deliberate, its should have occured unknowingly.
Diwas, I am with you and I wish there are many behind you.
Continue to fight against plagiarism. We need some dedicated
peoples who can bring the difference.
Keep it up.
HG
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 24-Mar-02 06:38 PM
Congratulation Robinji for joining an illustrious rank of plagiarists like Mr
Guruwacharya, Mr Gaurav , Mr Ram Bikram Sijapati(cited in Madhupark long ago),
Mr Indra Narayan Shrestha Sharit (for his story 'Didiko dewar' in Madhupark long
in 2040s) etc etc.
As for apologists like Incanus, here is what I have to say: don't do it yourself,
friend. If you plagiarise, you are going to be criticized, ok. You don't want criticism,
don't lift other's article and place your name atop of that, all right? Honesty is the
best thing you can earn.
I don't know why Diwas has to apologize for the biography link. Come on, the guy
had it there in for public to see. You did a very good job, Diwasji.
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| Rabin |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 01:34 AM
First of all, diwas is right the greatness lies in learning from the mistake we made in past. Two years ago I made a mistake. Take this message of mine as a sincere apology for what I did two years ago, I'm sure I personally had learned a lot from my mistake.
I did not asked Diwas for an apology. He does not have to, I'm the one who made a mistake. He's much much senior to me. I've always known him as very intelligent senior dai. I think that all I've to say.
Rabin
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| lama |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 02:26 AM
Good job Rabin. Thank you for apology that came in a right time.
I've known Rabin since my school days. We were in a same tennis team of course he was playing for a sub junior level then. I've seen him grow from a little kid to a dynamic young man who achieved much success in the field of technology in a short span of two to three years. We've all had our share of mistake, the greatest part is learning from our mistake and move on just like diwas ji said. By the way this site is neat.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 02:48 AM
Rabin,
Liked your straightforward admission of having committed a mistake, and liked your straightforward apology laced with no excuses.
It takes courage to say "I goofed up", and apologize (either privately or publicly)
and then move on as a wiser soul.
Best wishes, and keep up the great work.
oohi
ashu
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| ashu |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 02:59 AM
Hey, wait a moment.
ID of Rabin: 56517588
ID of Lama: 56517588
I really don't know what to say.
My posting above was based in part on the assumption that the real
Rabin Bajracharya made that posting.
oohi
ashu
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| diwas k |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 03:27 AM
And SB, who has posted a different thread lashing out at me, shares the same ID as both Rabin and Lama. Talk about magic numbers... _diwas
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| SB |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 03:57 AM
You know me very well diwas dai, my last name is bhatta. I came to visit Rabin here. Infact my whole batch is here. Rabin apologized the way he should but the problem between you and me.We can talk about it outside. I'll take your number from somebody and call you tomorrow morning.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 04:15 AM
In Democracy, "apology" is the tool to correct ourselves, and
in communism, they don't like Apology, but, they have their own
version of apology, i.e. ATMAALOCHANA. For me both look same,
as the great Professor in my field who went to America with
400dollars in his hand when his father died at his early years,
told that we have conflict because of three reasons:
1. We use two different words to mean same phenomenon.
2. We use same word to mean two different pheonomenon.
3. ..... If forgot it. Apology from my side too.
Our main aim of discussing the mistake made by Rabin is not to
let others repeat the same mistake, and also to know from Rabin
himself that he did made a mistake, I mean from the person
himself should tell others that his action was wrong. So, it should
close the topic and we are left with only one last optioin, i.e. not
to repeat the SAME mistake.
Yours
HG
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| Kanchhi |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 10:01 AM
Yes by now we all agree that Rabin made a mistake and everybody should learn lesson from this.
In the begin of this thread I thought, oh what a great person Diwas K. is. He cares so much about plegarism and does research in detail and brings it to public. I thought he must be a very good Journalist. Biswo ji even suggested him to become a plegarism consultant.
At the end, it all came out that he knows Rabin very well. But for some reason he must not have like him or may be jealous of Rabin and Diwas ji decided to put his mistake into public board.
Diwas ji watch out that somebody will be looking for your mistakes too.
Kanchhi
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 10:13 AM
Kanchhiji:
No. I don't agree with your assessment of Diwasji.
To me, as a reader, it doesn't matter whether Diwasji knows Robin or not. OK. I
actually think that Diwasji has done a great favor to Robin by now, because he
stopped Robin's propensity to publish purloined article in his name. Had there been
no Diwasji's vigilance, Robin and a lot of other our new generation writers could
have just lifted article from web and published it in reputed media in KTM.
Personal friendship is one thing. Professional integrity is another thing. Robin made
a lot of mistakes even in this board. I now think that he is more likely to relapse
into his old habit if situation permits. Because Robinji (or people using his computer)
is/are vindictive. They just are unhappy that someone revealed their dishonest
practice. Dishonest practice is gonna hurt him for long.
As a Sajha.com visitor, I don't care who beat Diwas when. I don't know Diwas
personally either. In highschool, well, every boy makes some comment about
a girl anyway:-) Some get caught, some don't. It doesn't matter now. It is actually
very disgusting to raise that matter and post here as 'true color of Diwas Khati'.
I definitely didn't believe a single word written there, nor did our Sajha.com
visitors, I hope.
And to Robin, when you say sorry, please try to be genuinely sorry. We all make
mistakes, and unchastened youth make more mistakes. Be sincere, because a
long life is ahead of you. And I surely hope that there will be no more vindictive
mudslinging here.
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| Kanchhi |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 10:39 AM
Biswo ji,
I'm trying to offense Diwas ji here. There's no doubt that he did a good job bringing the Robin's issue into public.
All I was saying is he's not a true so called anti plegarism hero either because he did it just for his personal reason. In the begin of this thread, I was under impression that he truely works for anti plegarism and journalism.
So what's your disagreement?
Kanchhi
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| Grishma |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 10:59 AM
I don't know rabin, I know diwas K. Not that well just through some common friends so I can't be judgemental here.
looking at the whole situation it seems diwas is very much against lifting stuff. Rabin made a mistake two years ago (Rabin said), we all do. But it also looks like diwas do have some problem against him. May be jealousy. I might be wrong.
::Grishma
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 25-Mar-02 06:46 PM
Kanchi and Grishmaji:
When someone makes mistake, he needs know that he can be uncovered at any
time. There is no rule that the mistake can't be uncovered after 2 years. No.
People still talk about Moti Ram Bhatta writing poem for Bhanubhakta. We still
discuss about who Kumuduni Sharma actually was. We still talk about whether
'Atal Bahadur' was a copy of Hamlet or an original first Nepali drama.
I think it is necessary for our new generation to learn that honesty is a great thing.
That plagiarism can be uncovered at any time by anybody. So it is not good to
plagiarise. Or at least, one needs to be sincere when he is apologizing for his past
mistake.
Jealousy, personal enmity etc are matters of your guess. I don't give any credence
to such wild guesses. If a single writer in future desists from lifting an article and
putting his name on the top of that and thus fooling Nepali readers because of this
and some past incidences of plagiarism uncovered by Diwas Khati, Diwas Khati will
be duely credited for that by Nepali readers.I hope you both will also start
appreciating this fact in future. Also, please understand that personal friendship is
not a factor that should influence one's duty towards society. If somebody is
committing some mistake that is detrimental to society as a whole, then such
mistakes should be exposed whether the perpetrators are friends or kins. I mean,
come on, people like Robin who goes to reputed school in Minnesota are supposed
to be in the possible lineup of next generation leadership of Nepal. What can we
expect from them if they refuse to accept guilt (or become vindictive to those who
expose their fault)?
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| bhasu |
Posted
on 26-Mar-02 10:39 AM
Bisow Ji,
Your points are valid but let me make a simple correction. It is very rude to consistently misspell someone's name... it's RABIN not ROBIN!
Bhasu
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| Shanti |
Posted
on 26-Mar-02 10:57 AM
Bhasu,
As you may have noticed in this thread that Biswo and Diwas K. pretends like they never make mistakes on anything. So Robin must be the correct name.
Shanti
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| Babylonian |
Posted
on 26-Mar-02 04:44 PM
I read all these posts and made these conclusions:
1) Ashu: He has a good english background but he tries really hard to attain that position of "ultimate literate". I don't wanna generalize but people don't use such wizzy words all the time. He looks at every ID (number) before he writes anything. Am i right Ashu? By the way i know what u are doing .... "Everything is business".. am i right again?
2) Diwas K: He also tries his best to use those jargons so that he can compete with these guys. He just wants a lil credit for what he is doing and using his time to search and rescue the people from plagiarism. Everybody wants to be famous so lets not surpress his exhiliration people.
3) Kanchi, Grishma, and Shanti: Ya'll must be Rabin's good fren..or by the way three of u guys can be the same person. Ya'll have similar way of writing ya views and ideas.
I can be wrong but may be i'm hittin the bulls eye over here so people what do u think about this?
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| Shanti |
Posted
on 26-Mar-02 10:23 PM
To be honest, I don't know Ashu, Diwas K. Biswo, Robin or Rabin.
I just didn't like how Biswo, Ashu and Diwas pretended like they are the only hero of this Sajha.com. They are the only who understands the democratic system and they are always right rest of the people are wrong.
In my opinion Robin/Rabin had already apolozised for his mistake there's nothing to discuss anymore.
Shanti
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| diwas k |
Posted
on 26-Mar-02 10:57 PM
Shanti ji,
I don't claim to be no hero here. Nor have I ever pretended to be one. No, I don't understand all the nuts and bolts of democracy, and I have never said I was right and rest of the people are wrong.
The whole issue is not about me. It is about plagiarism.
Biswo and Ashu, and many others, have strongly voiced their opinions in matters of plagiarism for quite some time now. Similar reactions from them in this incident would not be unexpected.
Yes, Rabin has apologized. I admire him for that. We are a community (@sajha dot com forums) of diverse backgrounds, and form a significant portion of the Nepali Readership. I do not pretend to be the community spokesperson, but the community has shown many times that it can accept apologies, take everything in good spirit, and move on. I, for one, have.
All the assumptions and their narratives are amusing, though.
_diwas
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| Parakhi |
Posted
on 26-Mar-02 10:59 PM
I have a cutting from a recent weekly newspaper published by one of the US Universities. Without giving the name of the university and persons involved, the storyline is:
1. A senior high school girl wrote a speech for one of the regional competition and won the first prize.
2. Her speech was posted in the internet as an illustrarious essay. [though she has never given copy right to any one, two seperate internet companies claim they have copy right for that essay and selling that essay for $19.95 per copy. They don't have contact telephone or mail address and have not entertained the querries from concerned persons - as says the newspaper]
3. A student from ... university finds that essay on the net; puts own name in the writer instead of the girl and submits it for publication in the weekly magazine of his university.
4. The girl finds her speech essay published in other persons' name.
5. University and editorial boards have already apologized for publishing the article without knowing that it was copied article.
6. Though University is not involved in this matter, she may be suing the university.... (?) and the student who claimed other's essay is in the process of getting own's degree cancelled .......
Down with plagariasts whoever they are.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 26-Mar-02 11:25 PM
Shantiji:
I make mistakes. But that doesn't mean I should condone others. We have
consistent policy re plagiarism here. And, hey, when I make mistake, I will
apologize without any condition, without being angry at someone because
he pointed out my mistakes.
We all make mistakes. We can still benefit from our mistakes if we think seriously
about what went wrong, and how amendments can be made.
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