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| rana jung |
Posted
on 15-Apr-02 12:37 AM
Maiost aren't created by rana's. It is created because of bahuns, newars and so on
wrong doing. if u look the history of nepal past and present u will find rana's always serve in the best interest of nepal and nepalese. due to rana's british never took nepal as they did to so called mighty india.even now most ranas are dealing with maoist in armed force and as well as in police force. They are not fleeding nepal as like many cowards, who can't stand. maosit problem is national crisis so lets get together,stop blaming each otherand try to solve it.
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| hmmm.... |
Posted
on 15-Apr-02 09:11 AM
If Rana's had not kissed British Ass, we would have been lot better. Either we would be part of India or we would have had a bigger state of Nepal.
Its the Rana's facsist and feudal system that is still lingering to this day. That is the problem.
If we kick some Rana's to India, that's where they belong, Nepal would be a much better place.
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| NEPALBHAKTA |
Posted
on 15-Apr-02 09:26 AM
Mr.RANA JUNG,
Hello,article sounds very stupid as were your ancestors.RANA or RAD's families always defenced their own interest in Nepal.
The durgati of Nepal is due to the RANA's family.You are barking us that the Rana are the one who protected Nepal from Britain very silly.Don't forget that the Ranas had the agreement with them and were the friends with whom later on you exchanged my brave & honest mongolian ancestors for weapons,money creating the Gorkha army.
From that weapons and money the ASSHOLES RANA's FAMILY controlled Nepal and prohibated educations to the public.
The biggest mistake in the history that nepalese did was in 2007 B.S,the mistake was that they didn't masacered all the RANA or the parasites who sucked our blood and penis for 104 years.
I'm very much sure that if the british would have taken us our country Nepal would have been progressed in Education,Economy,Science and Culture as it is at the present in the South of India.
RANA family or the PARASITES family are only the one to be blamed for the present situation in Nepal.Our country will never develop till they will be in any post.
All the selfish RANA DOGS like Mr RANA JUNG must be kicked away from my motherland Nepal or must be roasted in oven.
JAYA NEPAL
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| Somiya Singh |
Posted
on 15-Apr-02 09:51 AM
Rana Jung
Our country would have been better off if the British had taken over. We would have roads, rail gadees, good education and so on.. Its kind of funny that Nepalese take pride in saying we were never taken by the British. Maybe, they did not take it because it was not even worth taking it.
Ranas exploited all the tax money and so did the Shahs. Both the clans when in power have only worked for themselves and their families.
But why are u so angry bro? You did not have anything to do with it. Nepalese are racist and mean, you know that, they call names like Nyars, Madshya, Chuchi bauni bajai, Nepti, Langadey, Uttayli, Gunda, Kali kalauti, ye lata, Ye bahira and so on.. So chill out.
Somi
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| Naya Keta |
Posted
on 15-Apr-02 01:18 PM
Although I agree whole heartedly with people when they say that Ranas are to blame for the present condition of nepal (directly or indirectly) I cannot be but offended by some claims that Nepal would have been better off if the British had taken us over ......We may have had better transportation and communication etc...but we would not had the priveledge to call our selves Nepali today because we would have been a part of India...Most likely a state of India.....So for me the trade off of being materialistically better off or being able to belong to an INDEPENDANT NEPAL (with all our faults) is a non starter...I would choose to Call myself Nepali anyday.......Not that I have anything against our Indian brothers but that I am FIERCELY PROUD of my country's independence.....Today I am a Nepali and I am proud to have an INDEPENDENT country with which I identify with....So we must (at least I do) give credit to the Ranas that they were able to safegaurd our independence...The fact that they did it for selfish reasons is, for me, besides the point......... Although I have previously critisized them for being the blood sucking parasites that they were, I do temper their criticism by acknowleding that they were and still are fiercely proud of belonging to an Independent nation......If only there were some Ranas and Shahs who would publicly acknowledge that (not them personally but..) their ancestors had been involved in practices that has resulted in the backwardness of the general Nepali population today, I believe that Nepal could move ( and definately would) forward together in the spirit of compromise and mutual respect. Unfortunately I don't see the "PREVIOUS" ruling elite either wanting to compromise with or having any respect for us "sadharan", democratically minded progressive Nepalis......I fear to them we are still the masses over which they ruled.......Do they understand and can they embrace the notion that those dark days are over? If they could, Nepal would be able to charge ahead and develop into a better society for us all, because I believe that the Ranas may not care about "Nepalis" and regard us with the contempt but they do care about Nepal...If only they could understand that caring for Nepal and caring for Nepalis are synonymous to each other...That we all have a share mutual interest in the betterment of our society.....
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| Another Concerned Nepali |
Posted
on 15-Apr-02 08:37 PM
I totally agreed with you NepalBhakta ji, RANA are the one who created today's situation. I think Maobadi should kill all RANAs first, instead of police or general citizen.
ACN
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| doc ock |
Posted
on 15-Apr-02 08:50 PM
Yeah, these Ranas are nothing but bootlickers, and they have the nerve of calling bahuns that. They should be sent back to India all right.. Tell me, why do Ranas intermarry with Indians huh? Is it because u lot are dhotis? Not even bahuns do that. Ranas stink like shit. I don't even wanna look at them. They sucked up all of Nepal's wealth. Now look at them, they are rich as shhit. We need to rob the Ranas and distribute the accumulated $$$ to the poor. Aristocrats my a$$.
In other words, Rana dhotis suck.
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| Newar |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 12:22 AM
If you wanted to stop blamming game why did you blame bahun and newars? Did you foget 60% of trade and commerce is run by newars in nepal, 30 % Madwads and 5% by tibetan and rest 5% by others. So who is holding nepal's economy? I don't know where Rana's came from (may be from some pahad - pakhe as they are). Newars native to ktm and look what you've done to our kathmandu?
Newar
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| hmmm.... |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 12:36 AM
About Nepali Pride....
Did the Newars not loose their Newari pride because Prithvi Narayan Shah nefariously concquered Kathmandu. Should Newar's be less proud to be Nepali's?
Did the Gurungs not face the same kind of defeat and loose their Gurung states??
Its doofus to think that we would have lost our PRIDE to be Nepali. If it had happened some centuries ago, our forefathers would have a hard time just like the Newars, Gurungs and other ethno-tribes of Nepal to be under the British rule and then us being part of India.
Are the Darjeleeng people having problem of being an Indian, I don't think so. So if history had taken a different course, and we were taken by the British and later been part of India, we would have been proud to be Indian right now. Since they did not, we are proud to be Nepali.
So some of you who are extreme rightist patriots, need to rethink of what we are, or where we came from and so on..... Pride is only few generation deep.
hmmm....
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| Naya Keta |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 06:09 AM
Hmmmm...
U have a valid point, if history had been different then today our values would have been different........But that is only , IF,......today because of the events that transpired in the past I HAVE an independent homeland which is Nepal.... I AM a Nepali and not indian and I AM proud of it.....and, I HAVE the right to be proud of being NEPALI.. just as any Indian can be proud to be Indian any englishman can be proud to be english and any American can be proud to be American.....IF history had turned out different who knows what would have happened, The english may not have been english, the americans may not have been american and the indians may not have been indians, so does that mean they have no rights to be proud of their nation......Pondering on hypotheticals and ifs and buts is fine but the reality is I AM A NEPALI AND I AM PROUD OF IT....
How we channel our pride and how we work together with other PROUD Nepalis to better the future of other PROUD Nepalis yet to come is what interests me.....
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| NEPALBHAKTA |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 09:26 AM
Hi,Nayaketaji ,you are a DAICHYOURE may be because you have some links with Ranas i mean the blood link.May be u r 2nd or 3rd or 4th CLASS RANA.You must be knowing well about Ranas classifacation during that period & even on therse days too.
If we call KILLER a KILLER there is nothing to be temper out or get mad hearing that.FACT IS ALWAYS BITTER PAL.So,i tell you even more pal RANAS are not only PARASITES but also the MOTHERFUC KERS,FATHERFUC KERS,BROTHERFUC KERS,SISTERFUC KERS,BHATIZ FUC KERS & VATIZI FUC KERS & MAMA FUC KERS too.
Since so called the Royal Masacer the SAHA family has proved that they are from the SAME DYANG KO MULA.The thing that SAHA family learned from RANA was to kill not only their own brothers even more to their entire family in order to get the Crown.
The people who is able to kill their own brothers in order to come or to get the power won't hesitate to kill more my nepalese brothers and sisters for their bad intention.
Keep on watching guys oneday you all will hear that 2017 B.S is repeated in NEPAL as did that BASTER D so called King Mahendra.
You nepalese do have a very very long tongue who do not have self respect & do not hesitate to lie other.Telling other how you love Nepal & are proud of having Indepandent country living themself aboard in the west with all type of facilitses more or less.Where almost all of them tries to obtain the Western or the American Citizenship without leting others know about that.
For those people i say SHUT OFF YOU R HOLE or simply SHUT THE FUC K OFF.
When you guys visit Nepal you won't need to go very far away from the valley & even in the valley to find a starving persons and ask them whether they are proud of INDEPENDENT NEPAL.
Don't forget that there are more than 20 millions people living in Nepal.Where they don't have the elementary axcess of water,i'm not talking about the clean one or road ,health,education,alimentation.
So,think well before you talk about Prideness.
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| alnepali |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 10:10 AM
I sense most of us in here have a pretty decent education background under our belts and likewise know that seggregation may not contribute to any healthy social, political and economic progress. So, why don't we begin accounting for individual actions rather than generalizing?
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| Newar |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 10:48 AM
Nepal bhakta ji, I agree with you to some extend but I strongly disagree with the language you used to refer our late king Mahendra. He saved our country from been wecked by CHOR, BHATTE political leaders like Bisweshwor koirala, who is a big time Indian CHAMCHA. Yes, we did not have much development during Panchyat time but we did not have so called Maoist. Who seems to be interested in destroying a little infrastructure we have than to built it. You said people are not getting clean water to drink??????? Thanks to Maoist for contributing one more suffering to poor nepali people.
Talk about our present government, unfortunately again all BAHUNS ... who just came down from pahad somewhere with nothing, saw this big money and jumped into it.
Why congress, communist and even maoist leadership is only bahuns???? Because they're crook, currupted and knows CHAPLUSKI .... !!!
God save nepal from bahuns ....
More info about how bahuns currupt blood is destroying mother nepal read a book by Mr. Bista - Fatality and democracy.
Newar
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| Naya Keta |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 11:23 AM
Newarji,
I'll have you know that, BP when seeking support for the democracy movement went to ask the then indian pm I. Gadhi for help...She basically laid down some rules and conditions that reduced the NC party to being the servants of Indian govt. policy, to which, BP replied (I am paraphrasing)
If I have to be a servant to anyone I would rather be a servant of my King than to you
and declined Indian support for the movement......So don't say he was a champcha of the Indians...true, he had indo-centric policies but he too was a true patriot of Nepal...
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 11:25 AM
There can be no solution to the present problem of Nepal until the "blame game" is left behind us. We are looking to the past, which itself if not a bad excercise if we learn from it. But we have to look forward to make progress. So blaming any ethnic group is not the solution. The solution is to work towards an economic equality, social justice and a representative political system.
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| naya keta |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 11:37 AM
Does Nepal bhakta merit a response?.....NO........
With People like him around what is going to happen to our country? I don't any personal offence but, N bhaktaji, it is just too simplistic to say that one has to be Nepal to do any good for Nepal and that those who are proud of Nepal will not leave........ I came outside for the education that I can get and the experience...Once I have rathered enough of these two things I will definately return, and I am sure that the same can be said for a moajority of us Nepalese expats living in the west.....So please don't judge our patrotism by your narrow and simplistic views... we all can do something whether in Nepal or outside...
BTW, I have renounced my "caste" as such but by birth I was a BAHUN so my expression of gratitude to the RANAS of the past for preserving our independence was genuine for the ONE thing I believe they did right..., and not meant curry favour with the present bunch.
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| Nepalbhakta |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 01:15 PM
Hello everybody,
What Mr Naya keta is doing is just blab blab blab.As you wrote that u r BAHUN,i wonder that you r having not only long nose but also a very long tongue too.Maybe he is still a kid,who haven't learn to accept the reality and facts.
I'm 100% sure that the big talkers will never return back Nepal.I analised that you are getting or u r lovi.Do u know why?Because after getting education and experiences u will be surely willing to attend a work permit,then a gerrn card.That is what your goal is.
I fact i left Nepal since almost 10 years.Of course as a patroit after getting higher Education i finally got back Nepal.Due to the KHUTTATANI chalan and NATADARIBAD i was forced to quit off the country.I hate that kind of chalan,rotten chalan.That society is very strange if one thinks and practice diffetent from the society to make change then the place is not for them.Which is one of the conciquence of RANA SASHAN.Which u despertly support.
In Nepal in order to confermise one got to step down and practice the way the do.Ignoring the things that is not correct.That's how on can dissolve oneself in the society.CHOR LAI CHOR VANNA NAHUNE.JYANMARA HALKO RAJA LAI JYANMARA VANNA NAHUNE.JATI BADNAMI MANCHHE VAYO TETI IZZAT HUNE KAST SOCIETY.I love Nepal but i hate that samaz which i repeat again is a consiquence of RANA SASHAN AND THEN SAHA SASHAN.
I couldn't accept that thus i left them behind and turned to the west.
RANA & SAHA MURDABAD.BRAHAMANBAD & NATABAD MURDABAD.
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| doc ock |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 04:20 PM
HHAHAH, another newari propoganda. 60% of Nepal's trade is controlled by Newars? Hahahahahah, no fuking way. Marwaris control 30%? hahaha, no fuking way again. Newars make up 3% of Nepal's population. They're insignificant. Nobody cares about them, and nobody will.
Paharis(Bahuns+ Chettris), who are recent immigrants to the capital are the ones dominating the country. Now shut your piehole.
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| hUTTY |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 04:35 PM
Dear another concern Nepali,
Why do you want to kill the Ranas now? The Ranas who cheated on us are all gone. The young Ranas have nothing to do with what their ancestors did.
What about the Shahs,dont you think they cheated on us too? Ofcourse they did BUT YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT BECAUSE YOU ARE SCARED OF PARAS.
But it does not mean that all the Ranas and Shahs are bad. There were so many Ranas who did not like Rana sasan and there are so many shah who did not like the Shah sasan.
I think its stupid to blame our problems on others, Ranas and Shahs and Bahuns and Newars and so on have all taken advantage of the situaion. Cant you see a sacheeb ko daughter going to a very expensive collge in the US? Or what about Ban ko sacheebs daughter giving dhak about all the cars and money she has. There are tons Nepalese students here in the US who are going to school self financed. How does that happen? How can a scheeb who makes 10 thousand nepalese rupees a month send their children to Stanford or Oxforf or Harvard???
IT IS INFACT VERY FUNNY THAT WE BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE FOR ALL OUR PROBLEMS. HAVEN'T YOU REALISED TILL NOW THAT WE NEPALESE ARE STUPID AND COWARD AND LET PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US AND FOOL US.
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| vagabond |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 04:45 PM
Its very funny to see the kind of discussion it is. Hopefully, each and every person who posted a message in this chain comprehends what they are talking about. Does not seem like anybody is well-educated as such individual would never talk about something like this. It is a real dissapointment to see how backwards our (nepalese) mentality is and our intelligence is. I think that is the reason Nepal is where she is today. Unless and until we change this attitude, we will still be at the same place no matter how long we wait or what we do.
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| mahamurkha |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 05:21 PM
Hi There,
Look at the history. RANA's regime had gone since 2007. Since then the country's economical and political conditional were more worsening than their tenure. What's the fact behind this?, we clearly see, persons like Surya Bahadur Thapa, Lokendra Chand and Marich Man have been controlling country's economical and political power. Since democratic declared by King Birendra, all country's political and econmical conditions have been controling by Suckers like Girija Koirala and other Bahun. Most people in Nepal knows, Bahaun are extremely greedy than anybody else. So the fact is, everything on this greediness. They are more responsbile for the current situation of the country than RANAs. Until people won't kick them out from country, country's condition will not be progressed. However, RANAs are also responsible more or less because of they are involving with them in different position of those people.
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| j. doe |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 05:50 PM
Nah, it's actually the fault of the mongols. They are fuking lazy. If 70% Nepalis are like that, then what the fukk are Bahuns and Ranas supposed to do? Rule their azz of course. All they do is stay outsideand kill flies! That's their full time job. They're the reason why Nepal sux.
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| j. doe |
Posted
on 16-Apr-02 05:50 PM
Nah, it's actually the fault of the mongols. They are fukking lazy. If 70% Nepalis are like that, then what the fukk are Bahuns and Ranas supposed to do? Rule their azz of course. All they do is stay outside and kill flies! That's their full time job. They're the reason why Nepal sux.
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| mannerman |
Posted
on 12-Jul-02 10:11 AM
makura & newar Co,
Newars are very communalist people and you have just proved that yourself. You blame Bahuns, Chettris, Gurungs for immigrating to the capital, kathmandu. But if you are going to concentrate all the power in the capital and have all the facility for growth in the capital then people will move there.
Even newars from Dhulikhel and bhaktapur have migrated to kathmandu proper. But you don't complain about them because they r newar like you?
You say Bahuns are greedy. Greedy as in what sense? If you are talking about money then newars r the ones that r greedy when lookin' at u're own statistic. As you know most of the newars do small time business like traders and shopkeepers. While not may are involved in production they import goods from foreign countries and sell it to nepalis for profit. They are the main suppliers of office equipment to government offices. They are heavily involved in commision khori and sell 10 rupya good at 100 rupaya. Thus they cheat the nepali people out of their tax money.
Being only 3% of the population of Nepal you still want all of the primeministers of nepal to be newars. You only want all the sachibs to be newars. This is communalism. Learn to see outside of your own community.
Learn to be a Nepali instead of just newari.
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| NEXT please |
Posted
on 12-Jul-02 10:32 AM
answer to original question:
they aren't. get over it.
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| MOMO |
Posted
on 12-Jul-02 10:46 AM
Guys and Gals,
Wake up, smell the coffee and chill. Enjoy life while it last and if possible make it last.
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| Pure Bahun |
Posted
on 12-Jul-02 02:53 PM
Have you ever heard of LOVI NEWAR, LOVI CHETTRI, LOVI MARWARI? But how often have you heard of LOVI BAHUN. So that clearly tells you Bahuns are LOVI. Say what?
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| Riva |
Posted
on 12-Jul-02 03:12 PM
I am so tired of the racist talk, I think there is a sudden rush of new people in Sajha these days after the convention. These new people are more sexists, racists and fanatics.
Grow up Nepalese.
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| Buwa hajur |
Posted
on 12-Jul-02 09:41 PM
What is this nonsense discussion? Ranas blaming Bahuns,Bahuns blaming Newars and other....Don't you have anything better to do?
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| Rana must hang |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 11:23 AM
Rana are dirty, stupid and criminal.........
Rana are the people who teach slavery and start dirty and bad culture in Nepal.
Rana are stupid. They don't know politic, business, and don't know what is right and wrong.
Rana are criminal because these people does nepal's centure old holy idol robbery, murder innocent people, sumgglling, girl traffiking, help to corrupt nepal constitution and law systems.
We don't only blame thoese criminal, you will hang in public place.......
Amrith Shrestha
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| Mongol Blood |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 11:45 AM
Everybody know its the BAHUNS that destroy Nepal. They like the parasites who suck out every resources Nepal ever had. Its the Marwaris also, but mainly Bahuns. They always want easy way out. While they at Nepal they some office people "Hakkim"s but once they come to foreign countries, they cant fuc k with the mongolians. Mongolians be the hardworking, honest workers. Thats the reason why foreign countries like to employ Mongols of Nepal. I dont know much about Newars but its because of Bahuns I am embarassed to call myself a Nepalese because Bahuns make themselves out to be so close to Indians and Pakistanis and obviously I do not look aryan so therefore I am not close to Indians. However, Bahuns do look like Indians and ARE Indians since they migrated from India few hundred years ago.
I dont have strong hate towards Bahuns like the Nazis did towards Jews but I do blame everything 'gone-bad' to Nepal on Bahuns. Especially the politicians.. them and their cheating, selfish ways.
Mongol Blood*
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| patriotic bahun |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 11:59 AM
mongol blood bhote sale you mongolian shit. you mongol people are good at smuggling gold to and from south east asia hiding the gold in your ass hole.
you mongols just sit in nepal catching flies all day long and not doing anything in the hills and mountains of nepal... what have you done for nepal except give it a bad image.??? you fu*ck head.
you piece of shit migrated from mongolia so go back to mongolia and start riding horses mother fu*cker.
patriotic bahun
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| KG |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 12:11 PM
Mongol Blood:
I couldn't agree with you more to some extent, but the world Mongol is wrong for people like us. We could be Mongoloid, but Mongols are people specifically from Mongolia. Our Brahmin brother needs to take some anthropological class, before branding the Mongoloid people lazy. It's the same old story, the Whites calling the natives "lazy", the Chinese calling the Tibetans lazy, so on and so forth. I read that even anceint Greeks were aware of the the existence of Kirats. Their own Mahabharat has the Kirats in it. The Mongoloids have inhabited Nepal ever since there is record of people in the region. Trust me, my friend, it is foolish for anyone to claim that we are lazy. We have been growing corn and potatoes in one of world's most inhospitable places.
Let's not hate one another and try to divide what is left. Forget the old school "bahuns" and the "matwali" race war, it's like the cowboy indian story. It's all over. Ethnic kids are now more educated than ever. We can not be left in the dark ANYMORE. The day has come my friends, when the clever brahmins can not keep running the joint. We shall resist, we shall fight, and we shall get our share of the pie in the governmental policies. All the responsible parties in the high society, the elite, better realize this, or there will be another People's Movement to get our rights, our freedom. The time has come!
KG
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 12:17 PM
Rana must hang and Mongol blood,
You men are racist. I dont think all Ranas got a chance to rob Nepal, only few from the same family line got to do that.There were so many Ranas that were kicked out of Nepal for being a congress those days.
and about bahuns, I know there are corrupt bahuns but that does not mean that all the bahuns are currupt. What about the bahuns who live up in the mountains and who live in the Terai and are living off doing petty farm jobs.
Have you heard of people like D.B. Lama and Bharat gurung?? They were in power too, and you and I know how currupt they were.
ITS WRONG TO GENERALIZE. I DONT INSULT THE GURUNGS ANS LAMAS FOR WHAT D.B. LAMA AND BHARAT GURUNG DID.
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| euta manche |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 04:59 PM
KG, you are correct dude, Gurungs, Magars, Rais, etc aren't Mongolians. "Mongolian" is a term strictly used to denote people from Mongolia. Mongoloid, on the other hand, is a correct usage, and is used to describe any person with characteristics like eyes with epicanthic fold, brachycephaly, short stature, etc. However, please realise that Nepal is between India and Tibet, which means that we basically don't have a pure group, except at the periphery. Bahuns, without a doubt, have mongoloid blood, since I have myself seen some with epicanthic fold, a strictly mongoloid characteristic. Ethnic Nepalis do have bahun blood also. I once met a Gurung guy who could easily have passed for a bahun! And I have also met many naak chucche Janajatis. Nepalis are basically a mish-mash of two different groups. Only Madhises and bhotiyas(Sherpas) are totally different from mainstream Nepalis. Please realize that.
How many of you bahuns can pass for Indian or Middle Easterner? How many of you janajatis can pass for a Chinese? Catch my drift?
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| rage |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 08:09 PM
>Rana must hang and Mongol blood,
>You men are racist. I dont think all Ranas
>got a chance to rob Nepal, only few from the
>same family line got to do that.There were
>so many Ranas that were kicked out of Nepal
>for being a congress those days.
>and about bahuns, I know there are corrupt
>bahuns but that does not mean that all the
>bahuns are currupt. What about the bahuns
>who live up in the mountains and who live in
>the Terai and are living off doing petty
>farm jobs.
>Have you heard of people like D.B. Lama and
>Bharat gurung?? They were in power too, and
>you and I know how currupt they were.
>ITS WRONG TO GENERALIZE. I DONT INSULT THE
>GURUNGS ANS LAMAS FOR WHAT D.B. LAMA AND
>BHARAT GURUNG DID.
Hey Bhenda,
You need to get yourself educated. You sound like the one "arkako ha ha ma laagne manchhe" without caring to know the facts.
It was harped two thousand times a daily through official and unofficila media during the Panchayati raj that culprits were only DB Lama, Bharat Gurung and Gauchan and others of the same ethnic groups. Everyone conveniently forgot that they worked for someone up there. They were only pawns. I am not talking about whether or not they were involved in corruption. If they were, why punish them only? ONE must be blind to think that they worked on their own without the powers that be. Why blame them only? Why send them the jail only because they had NO BACK UP support from their caste or clan or ethnic groups?
In Nepal's history, it is a real irony that that only DB Lama, Bharat Gurung and a few other from mongoloid groups were sent to the jail on corruption cases for that long period.
Do you really believe that these two guys who served the jail terms were the only ones who were invovled in corruption?
Let me give you only just a few from the past:
a) Just before 2007 or around that time, many Ranas left Nepal for India and elsewhere with their illgotten money. Forget about anyone being charged, prosecuted, wealth confiscated or even accused, they are even worshipped till today.
b)What about the great carpet and over invoicing scandal of the 70s? While many involved got rewarded, the only person who had to resign from the RP member was Dr. Harka Gurung.
c) What about the famous Surendra Raj Sharma scandal of the food ministry? While thusandas of Nepalis were made to starve, only a few privildged peple benefitted. Who went to jai for such an unpardonable act? No body. BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES.
d) What about often heard corruption in the army? Who served the jail term? Nobody.
Stop parroting as if only DB Lama and Bharat Gurung are the ones who made the country corrupt. They served their due jail terms.
The history will judge these events very unkindly to those who rendered the judgement on them.
I can tell you that no body would have even pointed half a finger at DB Lama and Bharat Gurung and another Gauchan fellow HAD THEY BEEN FROM THE DIFFERENT ETHNIC GROUPS who are ruling the country, much less to serve the jail sentences. They would have been free just like many of the chors and maha chors are running the country today.
Learn the truth. If you must blame them, then blame others as well. Not that it justifies anyone crimes but in Panchayat era, one could not even defend yourself.
I can only hope that the truth will come out someday even if it is late.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 08:42 PM
Rage Ji,
D.B. Lama has been freed from the jail long ago, he won a election and is a politician now. All I was trying to say is that lots of people are corrupt in Nepal and its bad to point finger at each other. I am not a supporter of Ranas, or Shahs or Bahuns or Chettris.
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| Junkie |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 09:02 PM
Isn't Nepal "Char jaat Chha-tish barna ko [flower-bari]"? Or is it just to score over 40 in SLC. History isn't just for historians for sure. But holding culpability to ones who have no clue is not right either.
Sure we should learn from past misdeeds and ......
and just be a Nepali and Rock the 1974 A.D. concert.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 09:30 PM
Rage ji,
I have always voiced my opinions no matter who the culprit is, wether it be Ranas or murti chor Shahs, or drug and sun smugglers Lamas or Gauchan or whatever. I am not racist like so many people here, am I suppose to call D.B Lama a good guy just because he is a minority???
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| KG |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 10:25 PM
Guys:
I read a piece by Sherman Alexie, the writer for the movie, Smoke Signals, a Native American from the Seattle area in time magazine. I think his article kind of makes sense in our case. It was about the native american slave girl that helped Lewis and Clark on their expedition to the Pacific Northwest of America. She was enslaved by the Whites, but she still helped the Whites,took them over mountains and across rivers. Mr. Alexie writes that he wished she had fought the Whites that had enslaved her and helped the American Indians that were about to be exploited, but it's too late now. He poignantly and candidly also writes that he wants to hate the Whites, but even his grandfather was White. What can he do now some 200 years after his people have lost to the Great White Father!
Over time things change, all I am trying to say is this--I used to believe that I, as a Janjaati was like a black man or an American Indian, but a Ph D candidate from Nepal, himself an ethnic Nepali told me otherwise. He said that Nepal is a small place, especially Kathmandu, the center of everything. He told me that the "old boys' club" mentality is prevalent in Nepal. If you know someone in the club, you are bound to succeed. If not, you will be working twice as hard and may not be successful in the end. Anyways, my point is like Sherman Alexie, I sometimes get enraged and want to hate the Ranas, but one of my best friends in Nepal is Rana, he was one of the coolest person I know. All the Shahs I know are the nicest in person, how could I hate them? And Bahuns? Perhaps some bahuns are corrupt, but I woudn't dare say I hate them because some of them are like brothers to me. So goes the story. Like it or not, we have to learn to like one another's culture, we will have to learn to appreciate the differences. After all, do you know why flamenco is so beautiful? Because it gets its hypnotic rhythm from Africa to the south, melody from Persia, and the vibrancy from Spain!
Maybe someone will still disagree with me, but I agree with Bhenda, let us not generalize and hope someday a true democracy, with a separation of church and state, will be witnessed by the wonderful people of Nepal-us.
KG
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| Mongol Blood |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 11:00 PM
My penny of thoughts:
I'm seeing lot of bahuns here acting as though they are the cleanest of the bunch. That is very funny to me because as one of the historians quoted, migration of the aryans from the middle east to Eastern Asia as "one of the world's greatest tradedies". I think that should be clear enough to all you Brahmins what the world thinks of you. So I guess the term " Kali Yug" in Hinduism is true for all the Hindus (Brahmins). Since we Mongoliod people -the FIRST PEOPLE of Nepal arent really Hindus, we dont fall under the influence of "kali Yug". That's just my personal opinion. Thats the main reason I believe why Brahmins these days are so corrupted.
KG I noticed that you have a great deal of knowledge about Nepal and its history. So, 'props' to you brother. I know racism is wrong at this day in age, but racism will never come to its end. It is in human nature to find someone/group etc. as scapegoats and that in my opinion will never change. In Nepal's case.. mainly in politics if there are any Mongoliods committing crime or breaking laws, that sh*t is out in the front page (newspaper, magazine etc) with bold letter headlines. And when Bahuns do the same thing, its not such a 'big deal'. What does that tell you about the media and its attitude towards us? That is only one of the many forms of discrimination we Mongoliod people have to face every single day in Nepal. Everybody in the world knows the corrupt nature of Nepal Government, but what they do with all the foreign aid money is never printed in the Newspaper. That sh*t is played out.
About mongolians being 'LAZY' I just wanna smack you right across your ugly face. Whoever said that must be under some cheap weed influence. I am not even going to school to you on this topic. I'll just tell you that most bahuns I know can not hold one job for more than 5 months. Either they are too weak to bare the physical and mental stress or they are just LAZY. That fact should speak for itself.
Kiranti people were the first people to inhabit the Himalayan Kingdom and you people know that too, so quit frontin' and start calling matwalis Bhoteys etc. We aint Tibetians and we were the first people of Nepal.. as a matter of fact. WE LET BAHUNS come to Nepal as REFUGEES when the Muslims down south was looting your houses, raping your wives. So I dont know what the fuc k you people are talking about.. sayin sh*t like 'go back to Tibet', 'Mongolians are disgrace to Nepal'. Get your facts straight. Dont just go on talking nonesense everywhere.
Lastly, I am not being racist when I say "Bahuns destroyed Nepal". I'm just speaking the truth from what I know and what I have witnessed.. from personal experience. I do know some Bahuns who agree with me on that one, but that's just another story for another time. As a human, I do respect bahuns but I can not respect their values and their morals. But before I leave, I want to start up a new subject. I would like to hear your response:
"The King who built Taj Mahal was of a mongol blood"
A'ight. I'm out!
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| madman |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 11:17 PM
mongol blood,
since your last posting was too long to read, i just read the last line:
>>"The King who built Taj Mahal was of a mongol blood"
What the fuc k are you trying to relate or infer from this statement?
From all i have observed all my life, mongols would be a better person if they had a lil respect for others and diverted their mentality from khukuri's to creativity.
It again, will not make sense to you coz all you're thinking right now is : if only you met me once, you would chop me off. That's what mongol blood is notorious(?) for.
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| TRUE NEPALI |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 11:40 PM
RANAS ARE BLAMED TO BE EVERY THING WRONG DOING TO DISTROYING COUNTRY. THEY ARE BLOOD SUCKER ( JEWS OF NEPAL). THEY ALWAYS THINKING TO BE RICH THEMSELF BY KILLING OTHERS.
BHAUN , CHATRRY ARE UNEDUCATED (PAKHY) ALSO TAKING DOWN NEPAL TO GROUND. NEWAR ARE ONE WHO DOING GOOD FOR NEPAL!!!
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| what's going On?? |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 11:53 PM
After reading all responses from different race of people, I conclude myself this is all bullshit. I am just wondering .....what the fU*K this all about...... Take it easy people. let it be, what it was.... There are better thing to talk about... YOU TRAPPED HEAD.
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