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| mahamurkha |
Posted
on 22-Apr-02 09:52 PM
Question or Scenario:
If American Army or Security Force Deployed in Nepal, will Maoists' voilence or curruption of Govt reduce in future? What will be the prospective of political relationship with neighboring countries like India and China? Do they protest for it?
I am puting this subject in this forum to discuss the future of Nepal and it's political situation.
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| nepalichora |
Posted
on 22-Apr-02 10:36 PM
It will be sad to see this happen... but America will help build the infrastructure; communication and telecommunication and lots of economic programs and many Nepalis will get visa to come to USA. May not be so bad after all.. just a thought..
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| Suman Dhakal |
Posted
on 22-Apr-02 11:13 PM
i support the deployment of american troops in nepal. what other options do we really have?i don't see any other way out. nepali military(the way its doing things now) has not proved to be a success. when the american troops are there, prachand and baburam will be calling the americans the infidels. and want them out of the nepali soil. very much like bin laden situation. and maybe they will be "smoked out" of wherever they are. what nepali govt. hasn't been able to do in years, the american troops will be able to achive in few months.
of course, its sad that we have arrived at this point. but its better to seek help from the US than India. if noone is to intervene, the killing of the maoists and the killing by the maoists will continue for months or even years come. considering all this and no potential coup by the king/army, i welcome the help of american troops in nepal
Suman Dhakal
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| voice |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 01:04 AM
absolutely Suman, this is really an intriguing issue that we might face in the near future. as we all know nepal is a banana republic and due to this anti-maoist campaign, conuntry's situation is worsening, as of financial situation, despite many others. if we do not find financial help from our donor nations then consequences will be not worst than of Somalia or Sudan.it is time to think what we are going to do in the near future. ironically, PM has already stated that "it could take as much as a decade to root out maoist for govt if the outside nation did not help in this situation" there u go PM is ready out there. why not us huh!!! but, before even asking for assistence, who should we ask for??? neither china nor india. as a hegemonic nation of 21st century US comes first so we should go for it, isn't it? we all know how much we condemn india's involvement in our internal issues.we would definetely not want to see indian troops guarding our country. insted we should accept the deployment of american troops. i think that will certainly strengthen bilateral realtionship between two countries ( US and Nepal) . we can easily speculate how far behind we were in keeping diplomatic realtion with US. remember before sept 11 there wasn't any US high-ranked officail, who wanted to visit nepa.l but since nepal showed their support for anti-terrorism campaign, neapl has been one of the so-called closest allies.yeah even though Collin Powel made an unoffical visit that meant a lot for nepal and nepalii people. so my point is, if nepal has to deploy troops from outside country may US be the one and only. we do not want British force either. becoz we still have that old issue to solve so that will not really work. so PM if u happen to read this thread plzzzz for our sake ( napali people) do not let indian get into our soil or chinese or british just americans...just americans. by the way china will not offer military assistence, even though she is our closest neighbour.
jai nepal
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| questionmark |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 02:12 AM
More appropriately asked: "WOULD U.S. deploy...?"
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| Makardhwaj |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 02:52 AM
Suman & Voice,
Why do u think that US will afford JAN & DHAN for Nepal?
Neither we have TEL KUWA nor we have Diamond.
Hami bungaharulai kasaile JYAN diera lagne kura k chha?
Garne bhae Indiale matra garchha afno future ko faida herera.
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| mAKARDHWAJ |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 03:14 AM
IMAGINE THAT US ARMY DEPLOYED IN NEPAL:
There will be no any original culture left behind.
All of young Nepalese would be Christians.
All the temples would be changed into Churches.
All Pandits will be FatherS.
Our Nepali sisters won’t have to be sold in Bombay. They would be managing their free business near the Army camp.
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| !! |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 03:48 AM
and all the makardwoj's or whatever will by psychoz!!!!
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| Modernite.. |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 09:27 AM
Sorry but Nepal has nothing to offer to The U.S hence no deployment of the US services men, rest assured that they might .. might give some logistics and arsenal support to Nepal. Either way Nepal's influences to Both the Neighbouring countries are very limited.
On other hand, Nepal could play a very strategically very important role to The US military only if.. and if Nepal allows to make its soil one of its base.. probably Nuclear base.. after all Americans are always bugged by Chinese Nuclear Aresenal bulit-up.
Eitherway its not gonna happen... so lets kill some more Comrade ourselves..
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| GR |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 09:32 AM
Govt. announces massive reward for capture of Maoist leaders
Rs. 5 million each for Prachanda, Baburam and Vaidya
KOL Report
KATHMANDU, April 23 – The Government in an unexpected move has announced a massive reward to information leading up to the capture of top Maoist leaders. According to a statement released by the Home Ministry, the government has put the price of Rs. 5 million each for three top Maoists leader Puspa Kamal Dahal alias Prachanda, Babu Ram Bhattarai and Mohan Kiran Vaidya. Lesser rewards have also been announced for other Maoist leaders and information on weapons stolen by Maoists from army barracks.
A statement issued by the Home Ministry and Police Headquarters said, “Any person who can capture and hand over these three leaders dead or alive will be rewarded Rs. 50 million.” Person giving information about the whereabouts of these three people leading up to their capture will be rewarded half that amount as reward, the statement said.
The government has also announced lesser rewards for the capture or information on other Maoists leaders. According to the decision, the government is to award Rs. 3.5 million to any person who can capture Pushpa Bahadur Bogati, Nanda Kishwore Pun, Krishna Bahadur Mahara, CP Gajurel and other people on similar level, and hand them over to the security forces dead or alive. Nanda Kishwore Pun (Pasang) is the mid-western regional commander while Krishna Bahadur Mahara represented Maoists during the failed Government-Maoists talks last year.
Similary person who captures and hands over of central committee members to security forces dead or alive will be given Rs. 1.5 million each. Price on Maoist bureau chief or platoon commanders have been put at Rs. 1 million each.
The government has also announced similar reward ranging from Rs. 25,000 to Rs. 400,000 for people who can capture and hand over weapons belonging to the Maoists. Under the scheme handover or capture of General Purpose Machine Gun (GPMG), 40 mm rocket launcher and 81 mm mortar will be award Rs. 400,000.
The statement also said people who provide such information or capture these people will also be provided security and employment opportunities. (rk)
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| amit |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 12:05 PM
i dont think it is a good idea to deploy american troops in nepal cuz if they even do who are they gonna target? how would they know a difference between maobadi and innocent civilian. look what happened in somalia. Hey americans thought it was a piece of cake but never knew the outcome of the operation.
US has their best armed force especially in their air force but you just can't fly your F-15 and just start blowing stuff. These maobadis are playing hide and seek you can't find them.
but if US can help arms and ammunition wise that would be really helpful
peace
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| sanu |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 01:12 PM
My best guess is to help providing night vision, bullet proof jackets, giving them adequate training and some money. Since is is going to be a long war, economic
impact also needs to be consider here. Deploying army may not be the right solution here.
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| mahamurkha |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 03:03 PM
Since Nepal Government has requested US Govt for economic and military help as well as current US govt's interest and visited to volience area, we can't underestimate the situation. However, there is much possibilites of deploying of US Security Personnels at least even not as "US ARMY" in Nepal. More contrast and US intereste can find from the following link.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/04/23/nepal.rebels/index.html.
Let's assume, US has deployed Security Personnel/ARMY in Nepal to control current situation. Let's predict the future of Nepal as bad or good ways.
PRO:
- Nepal Govt will get more economic help, will strong relationship with USA
- Maoist activities and voilence will reduce then after ??- prediction
- Nepalese woman trafficking will control?? Need to see
- more economic and prosperety will grow, more aid will come.
- and many other good news like US visa, green card, culture, religious tie-up as nepali like it.
- USA's another step to presence their Amry in another Asian country, which will help US and Nepal to better watch the threat from neighboring countries.
CONS:
- will open door for a prostitution for them, no more need to be trafficking out of country.
- as being neighbore of India and China, and land locked country, eventually will expect the objection from India. because, Nepal has treaty signed with India, incase of emergency in Nepal, Nepal should ask help from India. Otherwise, will expect more economic and business impact in the country.
- Secondly, India will also deploy more army in border of each side for their security, that makes, I guess, nepalese will have difficulty to by-passing the border.
- we can't underestimate that China will not deploy Army at their border as well. I guess, China will first to deploy army at their border.
- there will be a long term threat in Nepal since then in future from China, because they look for the protection from the USA such as leaking/ spying to them. (Take a scenario of North Korea and South Korea for this). Then will position more military and equipment, even could be Nuclear weapon toward Nepal.
-- there is many thing need to be discussed and listed here. Due to time factor, I am shortening this writing now and promise to add-on later.
-- mahamurkha (who wish to see good Nepal)
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| mahamurkha |
Posted
on 23-Apr-02 03:05 PM
Here is the connect link
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/04/23/nepal.rebels/index.html
-- mahamurkha
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| mahamurkha |
Posted
on 03-Jun-02 10:34 AM
Recently, I received an email from - www.hurpeconline.com, saying
# 3000 people killed in six months.
# 167 People killed last Tuesday.
# Parliament Dissolved, Fresh Election on November 2002.
# US, UK and India is sending Weapons and Armies in Nepal.
Read more news in the site, all unbelievable!!!!
http://www.hurpeconline.com/
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| sage |
Posted
on 03-Jun-02 01:24 PM
U.S. military advisors have already been in Nepal for a while now, and have traveled to sites of battles. My gut feeling is that if the U.S. sends any troops, they would surely not send any troops to Nepal for combat purposes, but would do something like they are doing in the Philippines. There are hundreds of U.S. Special Forces troops in the Philippines for noncombat training purposes.
The U.S. pattern in Central American countries where there are insurgencies is to engage in "counterinsurgency training" -- and there is even a school in Georgia which was called the "School of the Americas", where a lot of military and paramilitary leaders and even up and coming dictators received their strategy training.
We already know that the U.S. military has placed advisors in Nepal and they have gone into the field with RNA top officers to assess the situation and to advise the Bush administration about the situation. This was in several news stories.
As for support, the aid that the U.S. provides is required by U.S. law to be "nonlethal" -- which means it could be uniforms, night vision equipment, transport, and similar things. However, I think the money is largely channeled through the Department of Defense "foreign military financing" program and it is very easily converted into any form they want to give, secretly. Plus there are means of giving support not directly from the U.S. but through other channels. The one that I know is being used is Israel, who is largely a U.S. puppet state in terms of military strategy. I am trying to dig up the source I had on this. I am also trying to find the exact language about the U.S. support to the Nepali government in the budget bill. But probably just the $20 million sum is visible and the rest is 'confidential'.
Here are some of the ways the U.S. government finances foreign military operations:
* International Military Education and Training (IMET): State Department-funded, mostly conducted at military bases in the U.S.; some of this funding is used to send mobile training teams abroad.
* Foreign Military Financing (FMF): The original FY2003 request included $50 million each for India and Pakistan for "counter-terrorism" and $3 million for Nepal to "counter the Maoist insurgency and terrorism". The Nepal sum has been increased by $20 million after Deuba's visit.
* Anti-Terrorism Assistance: According to the FY2003 request, this money "supports the global campaign against terrorism by providing training and equipment to coalition partners".
* Defense Department Programs: In March 2002, Bush requested $100 million in this category, "on such terms and conditions as the Secretary of Defense may determine". The administration sought to exempt this aid from all human rights and other conditions in U.S. law. The specifics of this budget are murky, but a category breakdown can be found here. It includes $1.6 billion under the category "miscellaneous activities" and $78 million under "miscellaneous support to other nations". More at the Department of Defense website here and here.
In terms of the constraints of the U.S. domestic politics, I think that the U.S. history of the involvement in Viet Nam is an obstacle to ever placing U.S. troops in Nepal on combat duty. The U.S. public has a strong memory of so many deaths, and the images of atrocities and mutilated innocent civilians in Viet Nam, that this kind of intervention seems unlikely to me when there is not a clear and swift so-called "victory" due to overwhelming air superiority as in the Gulf War or Afghanistan. The U.S. administration can only afford quick "in and out" wars involving U.S. combat troops. (Especially with the Bush administration's crumbling legitimacy with all the scandals and corruption that is coming out now.)
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| uncle shyam wants jyu |
Posted
on 03-Jun-02 01:28 PM
and exactly WHY would the amreeeeeeekanj wish to destroy nepali neutrality? if u.s. army ever deployed in nepal, it would be as a part of an international coalition. hey, why not develop rnaf (air force) instead?
alternate scenario: what if the coalition turned loose the british gurkhas on al qaeda and baburam's boyz?
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| MADDOG |
Posted
on 03-Jun-02 08:56 PM
WHERE IS THE OIL?
NO OIL, GEORGE THE MONKEY AND THE MEN WHO CONTROLL HIM WILL NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT SENDING IN THE TROOPS TO NEPAL.
IN MY OPINION, THE $20M WON"T GO TO FAR EITHER, MAYBE ONLY INTO A FEW US BUSINESS POCKETS, IN RETURN FOR SOME ARMS WHICH WILL BE DEPLETED IN NEPAL IN NO TIME.
IT's HIGH TIME THE NEPALESE AT HOME AND ABROAD TOOK MATTERS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS. CHALLENGE THE MAO AND CORRUPT OFFICIALS - GO ON AN MAKE A DIFFERENCE YOURSELVES.
MADDOG
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| Sage |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 08:34 AM
There is oil in Nepal -- oil and natural gas. I don't think it is enough to make it a key aspect of U.S. policy, but it is substantial. I was surprised to find out about it myself.
There's gas in the Himalayas -- the burning flame at Muktinath is a testimony to that. There is some known natural gas known in the Kathmandu valley -- a few hundred million cubic meters surveyed by the Nepali government.
But the main known hydrocarbons are in the Terai, especially in two "exploration blocks" calls "Nepalganj" and "Chitwan". These blocks are a continuation of the Ganga Basin, which is an oil-rich area in India. Oil doesn't stop at the national borders, any more than Maoists.
Currently ONGC (the national Oil and Natural Gas Corporation of the Indian government) and a Texas (USA) based corporation called Texana Resources, each have 50% stakes in these blocks.
I wonder why Nepali oil and gas is licensed at 50% each to the Indian government, and a U.S. (Texas-based) company?
How much oil and gas is there? Estimates for the two blocks are 18.2 billion cubic meters of natural gas and 26.1 million metric tonnes of oil. This is a substantial amount, worth a lot of money, I think. Maybe others on this forum have more knowledge of the oil industry.
These are from reports in the Financial Express and from the Nepali government websites and things like this.
Another interesting thing is that James Baker, former U.S. Secretary of State and a key member of the Texas oil dynasties in the U.S., was recently in India on a low-key trip, and one of his main agenda items was to make ensure that Texana Resources got their 50% share with ONGC-India in the Nepali oil block. A very strange visit, and a very strange company. There is no website or anything for Texana Resources, and after a lot of digging all I could find is that it owns a small oil well in Texas pumping a few barrels a day, which was dug in the early 1980s. So... one small Texas well, and almost all the petroleum in Nepal, and the backing of the former U.S. Secretary of State. Sounds like a decent above-board business, doesn't it?
[The source on the Baker visit is Outlook India, 15 April 2002.]
And if that's not enough, the 22 December 1999 "Oil and Gas Online" journal describes a U.S. government-funded conference in Kathmandu:
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Expanding trade opportunities for companies involved in energy and energy projects will be the focus of a US government-sponsored regional conference in Katmandu, Nepal, March 6-8, 2000. The conference, Energy South Asia, will provide US companies with details on planned projects worth billions of dollars in the areas of oil and gas, refining, LNG, and petrochemicals, as well as other energy forms, in one of the world's largest markets.
Presented by the US Trade and Development Agency (TDA) and co-sponsored by the US Departments of Energy, Commerce, and State, and the Agency for International Development, the conference will cover opportunities in Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka. Senior officials from the US and the seven countries will discuss upcoming developments in the energy sector from a business perspective and provide information on more than 30 large-scale, public and private-sector projects currently on the drawing boards.
Energy supply has not kept pace with demand in South Asia, leaving an enormous market with extensive opportunities for US exports and investments. The conference will also highlight energy efficiency projects and the prospects for increased cross-border energy cooperation, including pipelines. ...
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| here he goes again |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 07:44 PM
this guy's diction betrays him every time. i firmly believe his motives are just as suspect as those of the people he purports to have investigated. the speciousness of his reasoning (guilt by insinuation, more like) and the widespread grammatical errors perfectly qualify him to "teach" english to naive nepali children.
maybe he'd do better peddling his schtick down in texas (that's USA, folks) and trying to speak his truth to the power he seeks to undermine. see how far that gets him.
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