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| suna |
Posted
on 06-May-02 11:31 AM
San,
With all due respect to you for your hard work and the thought of free forum in mind, I would like to request you to either archive or delete the thread on racial slurs.
This may not fly very well with all the people who do feel the need to come here to spew and with all due respect to them as well, please educate yourselves if you feel you feel bahuns repress you and those bahuns, who feel superior to most of us, I commend your ancestors in giving you such high morales for your self importance. Obviously, there are many who need to be educated on the word, mongolians and mongoloids while others need to be taught respect!
That thread does not become of any Nepalese and I would hate to be judged by the outside world based on that thread!! Lets not forget that cyber space is free for all, this site is not only visited by Nepalese but other nationalities as well.
My tuppence on this!
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| freedom |
Posted
on 06-May-02 01:34 PM
Hellooooooooooooooooo?
Are you Bahun or Bahuni?
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| neo |
Posted
on 06-May-02 02:20 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Suna in this regard. Neither would I be fond of being judged on those few lousy threads of discussion. There are more important matters to attend to at hand ....let us not fight for racial superiority or racial degradation , instead join hands in creating a harmonious relationship such that is in the best intrest of the entire population and the nation as a whole.
neo
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| 000 |
Posted
on 06-May-02 05:05 PM
Also, the bar chart (on the right hand side) is not sink with its value. could you fix it.
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| Site Admin |
Posted
on 06-May-02 06:09 PM
It is unfortunate that the thread on ethnic bashing has grown so much.
This site exists to 'Bring together Nepali Communities' from all over the world. In doing so, the topic of ethnic divide has come forward with amazing zeal from many posters who have contributed to this thread.
I feel that a part of 'bringing together' is discussing the differences. In this particular case, the discussion has at times led to ethnic bashing and ethnic slurs, which are not healthy for any discussions.
This thread also represents a part of Nepali thinking which lies dormant or within private circles only in our society.
Everyone of us might denounce such ethnic divides in public, but each one of us might have some kind of stereotypes of different groups within Nepal.
At a time like this when future of Nepal is uncertain, when we don't even know if our ethnicity will be continued in our own country; does it suit us, educated people to point fingers at each other and fight among ourselves while our beloved country is seeing deaths - hundreds of them? Chaos and uncertainty prevails. Everyone's looking after their own interests. At a time like this we need to come together and support each other and try to solve the problem at hand. If a certain group of politicians are not doing the right thing for the country, we need to join together, bahun chettris, magars, gurungs, newars, thapas, and everyone of us, to solve the problem at hand instead of pointing fingers at the whole ethnicity represented by the wrongdoers. We need to throw the stereotypes carried by a certain surname or a certain facial feature. After all we are all a part of a big family with surname Nepali. We need to join together for the sake of our country.
History has shown us that hatred leads to more hatred; hatred leads to chaos. Chaos leads to the destruction of this beautiful world and the destruction of human beings who all have the capability to love something, and who all should have access to the basic necessities in life.
Let sajha.com be a place for us to lose our ethnic animosities. We all come to this sajha ground to mingle with Nepali people. Let's spread the message of peace, love and harmony. Each one of us know people who might be able to change the way things are going in Nepal.
Let's spread the message of peace, love and harmony.
Jai Nepal,
San Pradhan
(I am writing as I think, any errors regretted.)
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 06-May-02 07:06 PM
I think Site Admin is partly right, let peoples pour their feelings
and in my understanding , this applies to Nepalis. Let them
empty (VOMIT) their DARK stomach first, and once everything
exits out, most of us start regretting why did "I" vomit, which
I would not have done. Then, they start behaving properly,
they start smelling others vomit mixed with his one, and he
gets more time to think that way, because he does not feel
uneasy when his stomach is free of problems. Well, some of
the readers who had bad feeling will also use HAZMOLA and patience
to digest the things inside their stomach by smelling the odor
from the vomits from others, and they realize that its not good
thing to vomit, neither to keep it in stomach, so they search for
HAZMOLA and neutralize their pathetic stomach.
The thread has become so long, but, I hardly read its 2 or 3 postings
and realized that they are vomiting because they want to clean
their stomachs. Sajha.com is letting them. Since all of them are
educated peoples, once they vomit and empty their stomach, they
will come back to be a good citizen. I am sure they will turn out to
be good citizen once their stomach gets emptied. Its unfortunate,
our education system in Nepal, did not develop our stomach's
resistance power i.e. to accpet and understand the differences
we have and move ahead with "agreeing to disagree" motto.
Our peoples are fighting here because they think that we must
agree in each and every issues, and I remember one guy in
Japan told me that he does not want to move with peoples who
disagree with him, but, I told him lets agree to disagree, I mean
we can not agree in every issue, and he said he does not want
peoples who disagree with him. You know why, he is hard core
communist, and ........................ I can understand it. He
does not beleive in co-existence, he does not believe in democracy
and he does not beleive in others choice, and similarly, the peoples
discussing in those threads are learning how to respect others
co-existence and as long as they don't learn this theme of life,
they will continue participating in such threads. We should not
ask them to stop, but, keep away from them. From their
education background, they will learn one day and retreat from
such threads, but, new generation will come and continue . .. . .
it is somewhat steady process and d(dydx)/dx (2nd derivative
is not zero, so, lets hope the hates will reduce step by step,
generation to generation), when it will cease, like in South
american communities, our generation will not be here, i mean
we will die. One article in Newsweek or Time said that in next
300years, there will be no homogeneous and unique society
or culture in earth, all will be mixed up, i.e. White couple will
give birth to black kids (because ther foreparents were mixed
and similarly, in Nepal too, our future generations will laugh
at us that we had 4 barna 36 jaat separately moving for
1000s of years, when they find 4 daju bha of 4 barna ....)
It will take time. Unfortunately, we can only imagine and hope,
but, can not see in near future.
HG
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| Master |
Posted
on 06-May-02 08:02 PM
understand that you do not like postings. In this world, there are many different people lives here. They have different thinking than other.
It is intelligence that if we can live together....... rather than getridoff to them. Learn to live is the best thing and it is universal the best social practise.
I understand but don't please me again........
Webmaster
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 06-May-02 09:21 PM
I endorse Suna's plea. People often have a tendency to equate democracy and freedom of expression to "anything goes". In my opinion, this is not how it should be.
Sajha is a very, very tolerant place. And San Pradhan who owns this site is a generous host who is fond of receiving all sorts of visitors in his house. But when some of his guests go berserk and abuse other guests of San, then the situation is unpleasant for both the host and many of his sensible guests.
Everyone who visits San's house go there knowing that they are in for an unexpected range of interaction with people who you agree or disagree with and like or dislike. This much, all visitors know. But not many who go there know that they may also have to take levels of unjustified slurs and abuse that private, civilized households do not allow, which is this web site.
There is such a thing as decency and decorum. There is a way to to engage in all sorts of debates, including race and ethnicity, in a constructive manner. And I would be the first one to jump in for an informed debate on race and ethnicity as I have been doing on private emails with some of my friends. Respectful and infomed debates lead to useful wisdom. But let's not fool ourselves by equating verbal diarrhea with communication. The former only breeds a vicious cycle of hatred.
I request San to either assign all abusers a separate room in his house (a specialist user group for ethnicity-based abuses) if he thinks expulsion of his naughtier guests is too harsh. He can also choose to stay quiet, and be a do-nothing host; but that way he risks visitors who have appreciated his hospitality in the past from visiting his house again and also bringing/recommending livelier friends to visit this great place of his from next time. And that would be a pity.
People might say, but where do you draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable debate? I agree this is a blur divide, but as a believer in "collective wisdom", many a time we know it when we see it. As someone said, these fine lines are elusive. It's like the Indian Ocean - nobody knows where it begins and nobody knows where it ends, but everyone knows you have to cross it to get to India from Africa.
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| neparujin |
Posted
on 06-May-02 10:22 PM
First I would like to thank the Saja.com for providing
the place to express each and every Janjati of Nepal to pour their feelings, hatred, thinking etc towards other Janjati. I think this is the real Nepal, which we have ignored for several years and now is the time to learn from the outcome of this discussion. Guys who are expressing all these opinions are in the middle of long dark tunnel and they need to find a light by themselves to get out of this tunnel.
1. Why we don't we start teaching Janjati in our school. Let's teach students about different cultures of Newar, Bahun, gurung, Magar etc. Let's students think about why we have so many cultures and why they are different. Let's teach them each and every culture is unique and beautiful. Let's teach them to celebrate each and every festival in school as a cultural show. Let's parents of the entire group to participate in the school programs. Let's teach students about similarities and non-similarities of these groups. Let's teach about why chuchhe nak and why tepche nak. Above all let's teach them what makes them to be a "Nepali" with different backgrounds.
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| NK |
Posted
on 07-May-02 09:52 AM
Like I said in my posting a while back, I have learned to expect the unexpected in this sajha.com 'chahari.' I wish the stinky skunk sitting next to me just go away but when I see he/does is not moving, I move. The next day or so I come back again to see familiar faces, to chat, to exchange gossip, to listen and life again moves on. I breathe a sigh of relief - the skunk is nowhere to be seen. If it were up to me I would just eradicate all those garbage eating skunks with AK 47! (well, maybe even with rat poison), but I know I cannot. It appears they are here to stay and so am I.
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| KOKO |
Posted
on 07-May-02 10:42 AM
I for one do not think the site has lost its charm one bit. Yes people were here, are here, and will be here. As they say variety is the spice of life. I f you look at new there are different types of news from TIME, Newsweek, entertainment weekly to national enquirer. Its the same here. But all are under one banner. Its even better. Every averge Joe can say whatever he or she wants. It might not appeal to High intellects here what average Joe has to say but Hey thats life. They are also part of our society like it or not.
NK calls these people Skunks or whatever you want to call them. You will have to listen to them at time time or another. You cannot ighnore them. If you keep ignoring them then will have to deal with an uprising in the near future because educated people like us choose to ignore them. There are a lot of things posted in this site I don't approve of. But thats life man, everything will not always be ok. Shit happens..
So why don't you all shut the hell up and take it as a man.
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| suna |
Posted
on 08-May-02 07:45 AM
KOKO
Its simple, I cannot take it like a man as I am not a male. Moreover, a majority of the posters who have joined in this plea are men and it seems they cannot stomach the racial slurs either.
I agree shit does happen and one has to learn to deal with it. But when a community goes bersek and stirs the shit, there should be a counter force!!
Hope you get the gist of my plea KOKO
And to whoever that was suggesting genocide, please look up the word in the dictionary. Anybody with an iota of a thought along the lines of genocide should be dealt with. Use of that word should be banned in any community! Maybe a drastic measure but I'm one who thoroughly backs "little drops of water, little drops of sand, makes a mighty ocean and a pleasant land".
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| Koko |
Posted
on 08-May-02 10:51 AM
Suna,
If you look at the pattern of posting in the past 6 months. People always seem go around in circles. The racial slurs and the ethnic nitpicking always existed in our Zone of Peace. It was never done in a public forum like this one. I don't believe the crap about not having the stomach for it.... because its exists( reality check hello !!) So people would have to develope the taste for it. You cannot always have a 5 STAR meal, you have to know what ordinary Joe is eating at the Bhatti as well. So if we want to make progress in society we have to pay equal attention to Both the Bhatti and the 5STAR restaurent.
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