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Posted
on 08-May-02 12:41 PM
It is not about terrorism, it is not about killing and dying. It is about your future, they are giving their Life.
Latest Interview with Rebal Leaders:
(1) http://www.maoism.org/misc/nepal/nepal.htm
Field Report:
(2) http://rwor.org/s/dispatch-e.htm
- Tonny hardine ( Field Writer )
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 08-May-02 03:45 PM
Oh yeah!!! Tell that to the people that have lost their loved ones; the bread earner, their spouse or friend. If you had lost one you would know. It is not about politics anymore. It is pure stupidity.
Supporting the failed ideology; empathizing the killings; you are in for a long haul and you know it will not succeed.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 08-May-02 05:40 PM
You are so right! It's all about people killing people, thus a people's war! Such people's war have occured in different continents. Those wars did not bear fruit. If these people looked instead toward what lies ahead than what went before, there would be no need for this war. If it is a people's war, maybe you shoud spare innocent people and target those who have benefited from corruption and exploitation!
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 08-May-02 05:59 PM
These maoists have only taken our country from bad to very very worse situation. Communism is a big time failure...
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| Amherst |
Posted
on 08-May-02 11:52 PM
maybe its equally important for us to pause and QUESTION the "WHY" behind all this violence..........nepali killing nepali, a poor peasant farmer taking up arms, women holding up khukuris instead of nursing their new born babies, killing the maoists will NOT stop this violence, it will be like treating cancer with bandaid.
peace cannot be achieved through a barrel of guns......but as hundreds of dead bodies are piling up everyday...........WHAT ALTERNATIVES DO WE HAVE ? must the last moaist be hanged before peace can once again prevail in nepal?
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 09-May-02 12:11 AM
It is indeed a very tough question, but do you see any options? I do not see any options.
When a political belief that believes in killing 25% of the total population, how can you expect to be peace? (an article published in this board that the moabadi leader was quoted as saying that they "have to kill 25%" of the total population to get their government)
Maobad is not a solution for Nepal or the killings. The only solution I see is the education. The educated will make Nepal free. The democracy will not prosper until people realize the power of ballot and casting their ballot for the right candidate. This is not going to happen soon. However, this WILL have to HAPPEN. There is no other way. People will be forced to make a right decision, then the new leadership emerges, then we will have a better Nepal. This is my dream. I will quote Martin Luther King Jr. for this "I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream…"
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| Shanti |
Posted
on 09-May-02 12:23 AM
Hi,
Well, democracy is the way to practice whether something is right or wrong. If there is something to believe right is called democracy.
I personally believe on democracy, but never forget its weaknesses. There is a democracy in Nepal, but it has been interpreted by the rulling parties as they want. Most of Netas do not even understand what democracy is and what it is for.
Is democracy for curruption? Is democracy for smuggling? Is democracy for killers? Is democracy to keep child worker at home? Is democracy for raping fellow sisters? Is democracy for keeping descrimination in the society? So, what for the democracy in Nepal? Can any one justify what democracy means in Nepal?
So, we need another political system, but not Maoist.
Shanti..........
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| amherst |
Posted
on 09-May-02 12:36 AM
Alas............in nepal EDUCATION has created the very problem, the widening gap between the "educated" city dwellers and the poor "uneducated" rural peasants. like many poor countries in the world, education has been used as tool to oppress people and to increase the power of the oppressor.
you and i are literate obviously, and educated.........what are we doing? how is our "EDUCATION" helping Nepal.....our "western education" has only allowed us to flee the country and run aways from our problems, it has created cowards and selfish souls, it has created a modern western man for whom individualism is greater than ANYTHING in the world..........we have sold our souls and today you and i sit infront of these dumb machines to share our pain, helpless, alone and clueless..........we are paying the price for our so called "EDUCATION"...........sad but true. education that has no capacity to bring self transformation and social change is no education
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 09-May-02 12:41 AM
That's it. The key word is EDUCATION. Educating the people is the only way Nepal will grow out of this mess.
You are sooooo right.
Regards.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 09-May-02 01:52 AM
You know there are Muslims being "educated" in madrassas. And when the British has the biggest empire of all, they "educated" their subject to comply with their rule. A few thousand British officers were able to rule over millions of Indians, of course with the "right education."
My point is: Do not harp too much on education. Education can produce conformist bhedas. We do not need that kind of education. Madrassas education has produced "martyrs" who go blow themselves up. No, fundamentalist and conformist type of education means perpetuation of the unacceptable. Education should be for the sake of freeing of mind and inculcating critical thinking. That, my fends, is not what schools in Nepal provides. Producing educated citizens is different from producing literate citizens.
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| Must need this Revolution |
Posted
on 09-May-02 10:59 AM
Why people's war need indeed?
In the named of democracy, people (who think they are political leaders, who are in government employees) missed use or act of "Democracy", and they destroy Nepal in Nemours way. People stand up and start "Revolution", and they say it "Terrorism". Nepal's corrupted people (specially government employee) created and offered Revolution. There is the great reason for Revolution……
Corruption in many sectors:
(1) Preserve Slavery
(2) Corruption in Citizenship distribution
(3) Corruption in Land and Forest
(4) Corruption in Tourism and Transportation (RNAC)
(5) Corruption in Nepal Oil - Blackmail
(6) Corruption in Nepal Telecommunication
(7) Corruption in Banking and Trade
(8) Root problem of corruption hits for devaluation of Nepalese currency
(9) Corruption in Development Program – all nationwide projects
(10) Corruption in Water Resource and Development program
(11) Corruption in Electricity development and distribution
(12) Girls Trafficking, increase in prostitution and HIV
(13) Fake illegal Nepali note printing and sell in market
(14) Child abuse
(15) Serious problem in Race instead of equality (people, culture, job )
(16) Corruption in human right, Legal and Justice
(17) Support in Drug trade instead of persecute crimes
(18) Corruption in Tax collection in Airport and Borders
(19) Corruption in Water Resource and Development
(20) Corruption in Police Force
(21) Corruption in Army
(22) Corruption in Industrial and business
(23) Corruption in Hospital and Health Sector
(24) Corruption in Engineering and Development (Road, Bridge, construction)
(25) Corruption in Business and Trade
(26) Corruption in Law, constitution
(27) Neglate in quality and standardization of education (copy and modification of Rana Regime)
(28) Discriminate in equality with man and woman
(29) Class division, people division (Poor, Rich )
(30) Support in political Division instead of Unity in Political
(31) Corruption Environment and wild life
(32) Free, support and encourage to Black mail, illegal commission
(33) Insulting and neglect to Rule, Regulation, Law
(34) Increased multiply in Social problems, and danger
(35) Increased unexpectedly destruction in culture, religion, and Nepali Identity
(36) Corruption in city water, Sinitory
(37) Rapidly increase in jobless, dark future
(38) No security of Life from Law (If you have power and money, you can do anything.)
(39) Great culture, support and practice in Bribery
(40) Humiliation of Nepal in international scope
(41) Collapse system of Law, Services, Social and Culture
(42) Nobody care about constitution
(43) No single one person has strength for Leadership from any political parties (all corrupted ethically and politically, they want only money, position, house, land, enjoyment)
(44) Root of the problem very seriously push Nepal toward poverty and backward
(45) Nepal in the greatest danger if people do not clean this mess or solve country problems by themselves.
(46) Nepal is our country we must take care or nobody will do for you.
James Dean (10 year - study & research of Nepal social and political field)
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| amherst |
Posted
on 09-May-02 12:21 PM
i am interested in learning in depth the current situation in nepal in hopes of finding alternatives..........i would appreciate if people can share their stories, what they have heard or experienced or what they know or what they think they know ... i need your help to generate this weath of knowledge thru your personal stories so that we all begin to really "UNDERSTAND" what is happening is nepal and "WHY" it is happening before we even begin to think about HOW to deal with it...
please email me at forpeace2002@hotmail.com
thank you.
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| amherst |
Posted
on 09-May-02 12:49 PM
Deuba vows to crush Maoist insurgency...........
"We will not leave no stone unturned to fight again to liberate our people from terror and to ensure each and every man, woman and child the security, peace, freedom and improved quality of life." (www.nepalnews.com)
And LOOK how he is doing it...........
The total number of people including Maoists, security personnel and civilians killed in the last one week during clashes in Rolpa and Doti has reached over 900, number disclosed by security forces so far revealed. (www.nepalnews.com)
Hours after Maoists strongman Prachanda issued a statement declaring unilateral cease-fire with the government, Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba has rejected the offer saying he did not trust the Maoist leadership anymore. (www.kantipuronline.com)
PEACE and FREEDOM for WHOM??? at WHAT COST?
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 09-May-02 10:07 PM
Cease Fire is a hoax. Maobadis are scums and not trust worthy at all. They are trying to buy more time. They have no regard for human life and what makes you think that they will regard cease fire? Maobadis are cold blodded, thick skinned killers. They have no concern for the people nor the country. They want absolute power and money. Please look at the news of destruction they are causing. Their actions speak for itself. Their words does not mean anything, ruthless scums.
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 09-May-02 10:41 PM
To must need this revolution!
Your opinion is biased. You only have one point of view and do not understand a different opinion.
There is a big problem of corruption. There is no question but maobad is not the solution for corruption. Maobadis are more corrupt than politicians. Maobadis are thick skinned ruthless killers with no moral values. They know how to kill that's all they know. Maobadis have no regard for Nepal, Nepali or the world for that matter. They are selfish and are only concerned about their gain. There are so many examples of their actions and I am surprised that you still think that the so called revolution is legit.
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| OriginalKancho |
Posted
on 09-May-02 11:15 PM
I can sit quietly no longer. This is freaking weird.
Yes I agree with most of you that there are a lot of problems in Nepal, corruptions, rapes, destructions, smuggling, ...and so on. These things have apparently gone on for centuries.
The mult-party netas allegedly fought against the corruptions of the Panchyat system and what do we have now .... multiparty corruption. Before there was one chor now there are multiple chors.
This is nothing new ... most societies go through this kind of stuff but they also do things to remedy these with proper laws and regulations and enforce them. My father was famous for saying that Nepal ma kanoon haru lagu hudaina lagu ko ulto matra huncha... that is our main problem.
Lagu ko ulto bhaee rakheko cha ahile.
I will tell you something though, I will live with corruptions... I will live with smugglers... but I can not live with random killing of innocent people. I know a number of you will say that the killing has gone on before there were Maoist ... that's a cop out! That might be true but at least the majority of the people in general were safe. Now that is not to be.
The only solution I see is the total destruction of Maoists ... not because I think the democracy is great and working well in Nepal but because the Maoists have begun a culture in Nepal that says ... "kill hundreds of people and the millions of people will turn over and surrender." If the Maoist are not defeated, this culture will continue. If the Maoists win ... there will be other groups within Nepal that will continue to fight the Maoists ... there will be no peace in Nepal.
Maoists will not only rob Nepal of its riches (not that we have much left) ... but they will rape our daughters and sisters, they will f$#@ (pardon my language) every man and woman that do not follow their philosophy.
You can kiss your ass good buy... kiss Nepal good bye ... Nepal will not survive... If Nepal is taken over by the Maoists after 20 years of hesitating to give up my Nepali citizenship ... I will and finally become an American citizen. I will have no more pride left in Nepal. I will forever give up my dream of returning to Nepal.
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| id |
Posted
on 09-May-02 11:34 PM
yah loser, go run away, hide your ass! no one needs opportunists like you!
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| OriginalKancho |
Posted
on 09-May-02 11:46 PM
ID, you are a fool. Did I call you any names? Did you father and mother taught you to call people names? Shame on you ... with people like you no kidding Nepal is being taken over by the Maoists!
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| Japanese view |
Posted
on 10-May-02 12:13 PM
Nobody wants to die, or without good reason. Everybody loves their life.
Moabadi in nepal is not terrorism, is not funny, is not killing. First, Corrupted people and leader kill them in different way, so they just stand up.....
But government kills a lots of innocent people by blaming them maoist....
They are dying because they can not take anymore bullshit Nepali corrupted political game. Rebals (maoist) know better than you and me. That's way they vow to became rebal and fight with corrupted people and leaders, for our good future.
We think we know... but we do not know nothing about corruption, killing, rape, drug, blackmail, girl traffiking, abuse law and justice. That's way we hate Maoist or revolutionaries.
In battle the field or war or revolutions, You don't kiss enemy ass, or you don't hugh enamy, or you don't hand shake, or you do not dine and wine with enamy.
In war, You kill them, they kill you. In war, their should not have problem with killing..... My point is..... it is not about the killing......
Killing and dying in Revolution of nepal is for all nepalese human right, justice, equality, protect to country and freedom.
If you understand true problem of nepal and want to be true nepali you will become "Maoist" = "Rebel"
If you think you know, but you really don't know problem of nepal. You will hate "Maoist".
If you don't know nothing at all. You hate everybody and you love sex, wine and dine, funny and romance.
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| limit 3 |
Posted
on 10-May-02 01:56 PM
I guess your japanese view is not clear then, need some re-view.
mushmushi
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| another japanese view |
Posted
on 10-May-02 02:33 PM
watasiba kozaimas !
maobadi leaders are superhuman beings. They don't need love. All of them are unmarried ! (huh!).
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| another japanese view |
Posted
on 10-May-02 02:37 PM
watasiba kozaimas !
maobadi leaders are superhuman beings. They don't need love. All of them are unmarried ! (huh!). No wife, no childrens !! Yeah, they can do everything. Don't see 'reactionary' persons are in which way executed.
sayonara !!!!
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 10-May-02 04:57 PM
Maobadis are just standing up? Huh? Where are you my friend? You need to visit Nepal and find out if the maobadis are really standing out or seeking people to kill. I know several people that were attacked or killed just because they supported congress party in the election. You really need to go and see the actions of the maobadis before speaking for them.
You can also do a lot of research by studying the news published in the international media or Nepali news itself. Then you can form your own opinion.
70-year-old man hacked by khukari and shot to death, maobadis fired on a passenger bus killing three, maobadis burnt a bridge there are so many news but you still support them. It surprises me when I see the country in shambles and ready to collapse because of the maobadis and I see support for these ruthless, insane scums.
Maobadis have no moral grounds. They have enough reserve from the looted money, they can enjoy for generations. Whose money are they enjoying? It is your and mine, it is the farmers money, it is the shop keepers money, it is a widow’s money that does not have any financial support. You have to understand the implications of the actions of the maobadis in the current and future context.
If the leaders are corrupt, electing new good leaders can stop this. Who is going to correct the actions of the maobadis? You? It is certainly not the people that are going to speak against the maobadis. You get the idea?
In democracy people can speak up and demand action. People have to be more careful on whom to elect. The right leadership is the answer for the problems of Nepal. Not maobadis. NOWAY.
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| American |
Posted
on 11-May-02 10:38 AM
To "OriginalKancho"
So you want give up your Nepali citizenship and go to USA. Huh.....
People like you is the main cause of nepal's problem. Do nothing for Nepal but expect Nepal do something for you. and If you don't like sell Nepali Gril, Nepal forest, river and land to Foreigners.
You even don't have common sense. Maybe becuase you don't have good education.....or what?
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| Sage |
Posted
on 11-May-02 07:18 PM
I am not Nepali-born but I love the country and I have many friends there, and I am very very concerned and every day I am crying inside about the conflict. I cannot support either the CPN(M) or the government given their behaviors. I share much analysis of the problems of Nepal with the CPN(M) but I cannot support their agenda or means to achieving it. I am trying to help find a true peace. I have written this news release and created a website.
I want all comments and input I can get, and I am trying to organize for peace in Nepal here in the Boston area. Anyway who can help me please let me know. I will be speaking at the South Asian Center meeting this coming Wednesday if you want to meet in person.
Please remember to visit the website listed at the end, and there are also email lists you can join if you want.
In hopes of peace,
Sage sagenepal@hotmail.com
******* NEWS RELEASE *******
The US recently announced support for the government of Nepal in this, the 7th year of conflict between the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) and the government. Both the CPN(M) and the government of Nepal have been condemned by human rights groups including Amnesty International. The state of Nepal has been condemned for continuously carrying out "summary executions" and recent reports in the Christian Science Monitor and The Globe and Mail have described such "death squad" tactics. Yet last week, the Bush administration declared full support for the government of Nepal.
Oil interests have recently come to light in Nepal, and James Baker recently went to Delhi in this connection, indicating an ulterior motive on the part of the US state.
There is an estimated 9 billion m3 of natural gas in the Nepalganj area in Nepal. The US-based corporation "Texana" was awarded joint exploration rights in 1998. In April 2002, James Baker went to Delhi on a shrouded agenda including Nepali oil.
Shortly after the suspicious murder of King Birendra last Summer, with the rise of King Gyanendra, the Nepali state set its Army on the CPN(M) and declared them "terrorists". After declaring a "state of emergency", the Nepali state has heavily cracked down on freedom of the press, more than its previous very poor record on this, and began arresting anyone suspected of connection to the CPN(M). In general, the country is operating in a fascist atmosphere of repression.
In light of Baker's recent visit to Nepal on behalf of "Texana", and what is known about the Bush administrations strong and numerous connections to the oil industry, what might be the influence of these interests on US policy in Nepal? Might these interests being hampering achievement of a true and just peace? Without adequate information, observers can only wonder.
For more information, visit the Nepal Solidarity Network website: http://vm.uconn.edu/~ser00003/ns.html
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 12-May-02 11:45 AM
Sage,
Most of us support the actions against the terrorists and the US aid to CRUSH the maobadis.
As the most underdeveloped nation of the world Nepal has many drawbacks, corruption is one of them. People will overcome corruption once and other issues once they understand the value of the ballot and selecting the right leadership.
1. Democracy is the future not maobadis
2. Freedom is the future not maobadis
3. Respect for opinions is the future not maobadis
4. Respect for human life is the future not maobadis
5. Better leadership is the answer for the problems of Nepal not maobadis
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 12-May-02 12:01 PM
To all the people that support the actions against Maobadis,
Please visit the following site and write to your Senators, White house for supporting the action against terrorists.
President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
fax: 202-456-2461
email: president@whitehouse.gov
Vice President Richard Cheney:
email: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
Secretary of State Colin Powell
U.S. Department of State
Washington, D.C. 20520
fax: 202-261-8577
For addresses for senators go to: http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm
For addresses for Representatives go to: http://www.house.gov/writerep/
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| Sage |
Posted
on 12-May-02 01:21 PM
I do not know how many support the US "aid" and how many question it and how many know what it is for and in what form it will come. However, I think you misunderstand me and you think I am supporting the Maobadi or thinking that they are the solution to other problems like inequality and poverty and liberty. This is not my opinion at all. But I am also wary of the US "aid" in terms of what is motivating it, and what the US expects to get out of it, and if it is indeed the best possibility for achieving peace. I also wonder how much control it will give the US in this conflict, possibly working against the interests of a self-determined peace in Nepal. These are the dimensions I am trying to learn about. I have seen too many times in history US "altruism" being a front for other interests, and so I am suspicious now. I hope you can understand this, without assuming I am trying to support the maobadi.
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| huh |
Posted
on 12-May-02 02:35 PM
Maoists are the number one opposer of Us aid. Easy to understand.
Indian are very suspicious to Us aid because it could lesson their role in nepal. More US aid means less dependency of nepal over india.
If other countries USA, BRITAIN, China give more assistance to nepal, It may pressurize india not to allow hiding facility for maoist leaders in india.
Under normal situation also, 60% national budget of nepal is covered by international aid and loan. Of course we don't like to be dependant on others, but we don't have other options at least still for some period of time because our revenue collection is very low and our tourism industry is virtually in collapsed condition. Industrial production, export business is badly affected by maoist violence.
USA as a close friend of nepal and have active role since the 1950's in foundation of very basic development like education, malaria eradication, basic health services, nepali people are grateful to them.
In addition to USA, our relationship with india, china, britain and other countries is also equally important to us. US aid to nepal could not be and must not be the bias of relationship with other friendly countries.
If our government is able to utilize US aid properly. I fully support it.
Nepali people can accept assistance and good will of any friendly countries what nepali people can not accept is foreign intervention or foreign army in our soil, but It is came to known that many foreigners(tamil or indian) are involved as a trainer in maoist's so called "PEOPLE'S WAR".
I heard that indian intelligence RAW is also not happy to US AID.
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| huh |
Posted
on 12-May-02 03:05 PM
It is surprising that sage's languauge used in above discussion is similar to maoist press statement given below:
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The press statement of the CPN (M)
On the reference of Bush-Deuba summit
..............As already reported in the media, Deuba is visiting Washington to beg for massive US military and financial assistance to crush the popular people’s democratic movement led by CPN (Maoist) in Nepal. Starting with the first ever visit to Nepal by a US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, in January last and culminating in the week long visit of a high level US military delegation in April, the US administration has been systematically building the case for a massive armed intervention and creation of a permanent military base in Nepal (apparently to take on China & India in the long run). Current Deuba visit is, thus, meant to formally initiate a long term US military engagement in Nepal and the Himalayan region with the immediate pretext of extinguishing the ever-raging democratic movement of the Nepalese people, which they slander as ‘terrorism’
.........Finally, a few words to the Nepalese emigrants in the USA, who are said to number around fifty thousand. As long as the global system of uneven and unequel development prevails, people will tend to migrate to the greener pastures. But please keep in mind that unless this structural anomaly is remedied, people will never be safe anywhere in the universe. Your oppressed brothers and sisters back home look up to your enlightened opinion and actions..............
_______________________________________
Are you using maoist spectacles to look or to understand everything happenings in nepal during these days in nepal ?
One more thing, If you have some knowledge about RIM(revolutionary international movement), please share with us. It is just my request, if possible.
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| Sage |
Posted
on 12-May-02 05:11 PM
To Huh,
I did not see this statement, at least not the second paragraph of it. Where is it from? Can you please tell me where to find it?
I do not know what you are implying by saying that "it is surprising" that my language is similar to the press statement, but if you are implying that I am allied to the maobadi movement, then you are mistaken. However, there is some similarity given that the Maobadi are critical of the current power structure of the world and so am I, and both the statement and I myself speak in terms of power relations. In that sense, maybe they do sound similar.
However, I do not agree that the CPN(M) are the vanguards of what is called "the ever-raging democratic movement of the Nepalese people" -- if this is the best that democracy has to offer then we are doomed. I do not have all the facts at hand, nor does anyone, I think, but I see the Maoist movement as hindering democracy as well. Although it does embody a sort of rebellious response to tremendous injustice that in some sense may be seen as admirable, the means do not match the proclaimed ends of democracy, and in the meantime innocent people are dying and dialogue is taking a back seat to guerrilla warfare. But is this the fault of one side or the other solely? But more important than assigning blame, to me, is to understand the situation and find a path to peace.
I hope I have clarified my thoughts.
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| huh |
Posted
on 12-May-02 06:28 PM
sage,
it was from maoist website www.humanright.de/n/nepal/
Yeah, root of maoist movement can be taken as a poverty and social injustice, but in fact they just exploited the situation of remote montainous areas and now they are following the direction which the polpot followed in cambodia.
After reading all of your above posting, It can be concluded that your understanding about maoist war is only through foreignnewpapers or like so.
Their description of robinhood style maoist war is somewhat exaggerated. In fact larger portion of nepali people are terrified due to violent maoist actions.
It is expected that if you want to know more about maoist war, you should study materials from all sides, not like one sided till now.
Of course, There is widespread poverty and corruption in nepal.
but,
maoist dictatorship could not be its answer.
It is the opinion not only by me, but number of peoples thinking in this way not so small as you think.
I am also one of the frustated one of present political leadership of nepal but could not stand in favour of maoist dictatorship.
Can you conclude they can be democratic and will respect people's right?
If we observe their present behaviours, Answer will be , of course, NO.
They are determined to change whole political system at any cost.
In the past, they took advantage of every situation just to move their war forward. political infighting of political party, power play between leaders, difference in opinion of political parties, release of their workers and leaders, security act, armed police force, in every case, they tried to make cash of the situation
So they are not sincere in talk.
you may think I am like government spokesman but I am also one of maoist hotbed areas where one of my uncle's son is maoist gurrilla, one of son is army soldier. Think how painful this war for me and other nepalis also.
All things I said above is based on my sincere judgement.
So if you want to know more about maoist war, please study more materials and u will understand better and discussion will be more worthy.
Best Solution could be maoist must realize their mistakes of following voilent path and should come in mainstream politics.
but
They already destroyed so much infrastructre of our poor country that nepal will have to spend years to rebulild them
I don't know how people will forgive them?
So much innocent people are used as human shield in fighting. They use to take heads of their dead comrades after beheading them to conceal indendity of them.
Police and security personnels are killed after their surrender in an hitler's execution style.
It is very hard to digest it for peace loving nepali people.
Then,
How can they be labelled as a "political party"?????
we can live in corrupted society, but where peoples are killed just because they have different political thinikings, How can we dare to live in that soceity ????
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| huh |
Posted
on 12-May-02 07:44 PM
Conclusion from me,
from the above discussion,
I am very pleased to read and know your personnel opinions.
It is not clear to me how u are writing.....her reporting....... it is obviously biased from the other direction.??
I came to the conclusion to that continuation of this discussion be still necessary.
I don't think our discussions could be more fuitful.
Thanks and very glad to have discussion with you.
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| mahamurkha |
Posted
on 13-May-02 01:47 PM
To Nepalichora!
Whatever solutions and comments have been presented in this website on Maoist and Government issue, I've seen and read, looks you are almost bias on each and every piece of comments and against on every single activity of moaist. Looks like you are one of son of top government position's staff and still you are not enough to have luxiourious life using your somebody's power and money. Looks like your are one of KANGRESI (Congress), Why DON'T you lay down your own SOLUTION, OPINION to remove all those problem in Nepal and why don't you come forward to work yourselves??? I am not supporting Maoist nor government.I am writing this based on your comments and your outlook on every comments and Nepal's political condition.
I am also nepalichora and I am also worried about Nepal. I've been seen Nepal's condition since 20 years, who will gonna fix those problem? YOU?? Just critising others and commenting on others? " DO YOU KNOW, "Afno ang ko bhainshe nadekne, arka ko jumra dekhne"???
-- my name is mahamurkha and puting mahamurkha question to you?
-- mahamurkha
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 13-May-02 02:32 PM
Mahamukta,
I am glad that you were paying attention to my comments. You are welcome to have an opinion about me, right or wrong, I will not object to that. You are welcome to have your opinion.
If you say I am biased against maobadis, the answer MAYBE. I can no longer be quiet and let the ruthless scums destroy the country and empathize with the people that do not understand the value of democracy.
No I am not affiliated with the Congress or the government but I support the actions against the maobadis. If you object to that oh well.. you will have to put-up with me.
If I could I would fix the problem of Nepal but it is beyond me to do that. I am just doing my part of letting my views known. I see this as my contribution. If you object to that oh well.. you will have to put-up with me.
IMHO the problem of Nepal can only be solved by the right leadership. This leadership will have to come from people. People will have to understand the value of a ballot and electing the right person.
I do not see maobadis as any part of any solution for the problems of Nepal. They are nothing but problem. It is a plagued disease for Nepal.
I still have hope for Nepal. If you object to that you have to put-up with me.
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| WHY maoists - for RAMAILO |
Posted
on 13-May-02 06:17 PM
WHY they are taking arms instead ?? I will tell you why.
they are tired of easy life. that is exactly why. they think they are powerful if they take weapon. so what they are poor-everybody in nepal is. there is not enough money even if they were to distribute it among all, its not going to make them rich. the country is "sati le sarapeko" - nothing good will ever happen there. especially with so much communal feeling and so much "bhede dimmag". they are just tired of working hard - even the nepali students here in US, look at them, they work in gas stations, indian restaurant/stores. I did my fair share and I tell you, its not easy. so, here are the choices -
1. work on your field to earn decent living.
2. join maoist and loot your living. you get to eat "khasi ko maasu" everyday. Get to carry weapon which makes you feel "bir gurkhali", no toil in the field, get to kill anyone you don't like basically - its "ramailo" for those no-brainers. for those who had never seen "nepal" in their life, its all they need.
That is why most of them joined. now, the situation is different - they can not back out even if they want to. they are afraid RNA will kill them - they should. if you see the way they hacked others, killing the maoists is justified as well.
YOU asked for WHY, that is why. I am telling this from my experience. I have seen them do this in their camp. oh.... before i forget, they also get free-sex with their so called women comrades. what else you want, you have -
daal
bhaat
khasi to maasu with lots of JHOL
cheap raksi
weapon
women
isn't that pretty much "the nepali dream" ?? hey maoists are closer to that than most nepalis are.
this is exactly WHY - you fuking dare ask me why as if there is a real good reason behind it. its your fuking bhede mentality who can not take white for white. there is alwasy something mystiq, some conspiracy, something we don't and may not ever know. why can't you take for what it really is, its all just because there is nothing better for them to do. no education or very little education so can't join indian army, british army won't hire them. nepali army is not paying enough for their "little knowledge education". they are young and need fun right ?? there is a lot of fun in joining the maoists. i wish RNA will kill each one of them.
now, you tell me your version of why. if you think its because they are poor then you are fuking sick. everybody in nepal is poor. i was poor - i did not kill anybody, i worked hard and got here. the so called maoist love everything but hardwork.
there you have it. those who agree with me say "yes"
-really pissed nepali
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| peace |
Posted
on 13-May-02 06:21 PM
hey dudes,
take a look this page in which you will find something that you have not expected as of yet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nepal needs reform, not more guns
The Maoist rebellion is a product of gross inequality and misrule
Isabel Hilton
Friday May 10, 2002
The Guardian
When President George Bush promised more military aid to Nepal's visiting prime minister this week, a White House spokesman justified the extra funds: "Nepal is fighting a Maoist rebellion, and Nepal is an example, again, of a democracy, and the United States is committed to helping Nepal." As though to underline the Nepalese security forces' need for more weaponry, the Maoists launched an overnight attack on a security post in the west of the country - an area in which the government has been claiming impressive casualties recently.
There is no doubt that the Maoist insurgency is serious. It began in 1996 when Dr Baburam Bhattrai, a leftwing academic and political activist, went underground to begin the armed struggle, only six years after a largely peaceful mass movement had forced the late King Birendra to return democracy to Nepal.
The restoration of democracy had been a moment of hope for one of the world's poorest countries - a country in which education had been deliberately withheld by the oligarchy on the grounds that it gave people dangerous political ideas. It would be good to report that the advent of democracy substantially improved the lot of the average voter, but it did not. After a decade of looting and corruption by the elected politicians, even the unpopular royal family was almost forgiven. When most of them were murdered by the crown prince last June in an evening of unexplained carnage, the popular grief was real.
T he massacre had two consequences that bear on the present crisis: the murdered king, Birendra, had refused to deploy the army against the Maoists. He seems to have shared a widespread apprehension that the army was likely to indulge in indiscriminate killings that would make the situation worse. The king preferred to rely on the less well-equipped police and to keep the door open for negotiations.
Birendra's brother, Gyanendra, who succeeded him on the throne, had no such reservations. Shortly after the mourning period ended and the Maoists launched an offensive, Gyanendra sent in the troops. The result has been a staggering escalation in violence. Half of the 4,000 casualties in the six-year insurgency have occurred in the last six months and the war is now close enough to the capital for gunfire to be audible in the evenings.
Meanwhile, tourism has collapsed and Nepal's poverty is worse than ever. As far as its democracy goes, such civil rights as there were have been suspended, the newspapers are censored, hundreds of people have been arrested and held without trial. The Maoists hold about a quarter of the country, and in these areas things are little better: teachers have been targeted, children pressganged as soldiers, suspected government informers summarily executed.
Last month, the Maoists offered to resume negotiations with the prime minister, Sher Bahadur Deuba. Mr Deuba was among those who used to favour negotiations: in 1999, he chaired the so-called Consensus Seeking Committee, a government-sanctioned group that tried to reach a negotiated agreement with the Maoists. That committee, which was disbanded after a few months, concluded that the insurgency was a political problem that had its roots in Nepal's profoundly unequal society. Their final report urged the government to negotiate.
Mr Deuba has changed his mind. He turned down last month's offer, preferring, apparently, to rely on the promised $20m in US military aid. But unless Nepal addresses the profound defects of its democracy, a military solution is unlikely to bring any lasting peace.
The rebels are stronger than the government acknowledges, funded by a compulsory "tax" that they collect from businesses and NGOs, not only in the rural areas but also in Kathmandu, under the noses of the security forces. Nepalis are shocked by the violence of the uprising and appalled by the idea of a Maoist government that has no external support beyond the equally desperate Naxalite rebels in north-eastern India. ButNepal's staggering economic inequalities, the caste-based discrimination, the political corruption and the arbitrary abuse of human rights by the security services undermine the government's claim to the loyalty of the people.
Even before the recent escalation of the conflict, Amnesty International challenged the security services' version of events, pointing out that the "Maoists" that they claimed to have killed were often innocent civilians and the alleged subversives whom they arrested frequently disappeared with no semblance of due process. It's easier, in the short term, to label Nepal's insurgents as "terrorists" and to send more guns than to address political reform in a country that has been paralysed for a decade by the shortsighted squabbling of its political class. Whether it will work is another question.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,713083,00.html
Happy reading to all the Nepali dudes..........
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| mahamurkha |
Posted
on 13-May-02 07:49 PM
Well, my understanding is now, at present situation, stop the voilence from both side - Maoist and Government. Both parties should acknowledge their mistaken and realize it. We must realize, if we discuss on this issue taking any one of party, this isuse will never gonna be the end and it will be like - Isreal and Palestine's case i.e. blaming to each other and voilence will errupting other side.
We also know, Maoist leadership is not a future destiny of Nepal nor current Govt's policy is right solution for everybody.
So, bottom line is, whomever affiliate with any parties - Govt or Moaist, whoever, push them to stop voilence first, push them to bring them to the table for peace and negotiation, bring them for right solution. THIS IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE PROGRESS TOWARDS GOOD NEPAL. STOP talking behind, be aggressive. Be Proper.
-- Mahamurkha
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| WhatALie |
Posted
on 13-May-02 07:52 PM
>Shortly after the mourning period ended and the Maoists launched an offensive,
>Gyanendra sent in the troops
What a lie!!
Guardina Journalist lied grossly. Gyanendra sent the army only after Maoists
attacked the army barracks in Dang. What could the army do? Silent watch
themselves being slaughtered?
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 13-May-02 10:49 PM
The violence has gone to the unprecedented level. The maobadis have lost their conscious and are going crazy, look at the attack on the infrastructure and using civilians and children as human shields.
It is a nice thought to see the maobadis on the table but this is not going to happen. Even if they come to the table it will not be by choice or with good intentions.
I'd love to see peace but this is only a wishful thinking. How can a poorest nation in the world can survive with so much violence? We have to watch and see.
I am optimistic that once the hardcore gorillas and their leaders are eradicated there will be peace in Nepal.
I do not endorse every action of the government but support the actions against maobadis.
I do not see free Nepal without eradicating maobadis.
Progress in a society is not possible until there is an environment that is safe and secure. Maobadis will not let that happen.
To understand the mentality of hardcore guerrillas you have to look into such organizations in different countries. Trying to bring maobadis is like trying to bring Taliban to the table. It is not going to happen. These hardcore guerrillas will not stop until eradicated. Even Mother Teresa or Gandhi will be helpless with these scums.
In the state of war it is not a fair appeal to ask to be neutral and talk peace. I believe that we have already crossed that line. When you watch a soccer game you have to select a team. You do not want both teams to win, do you?
If the government is doing something wrong the government can be changed, the right leadership will have a chance. That is the benefit of democracy. How are you planning to change the maobadi leader if they get the power? We all know they have worst moral grounds than the most corrupted leaders.
Trying to blame all the problems of the current to the current government or the king is just plain ludicrous. It shows lack of understanding and judgment. What I am trying to say is if the current leadership in Nepal is not doing what it should be doing people have the right to ask for change. People should know how to make a choice and support their choice once the government gets formed. People should rule the country not the corrupted or inefficient leaders. This is the value of democracy. This is the future of Nepal. I rest my case.
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| Bhaiyaa from Delhi |
Posted
on 14-May-02 06:01 PM
You talk about Mother Teresa and Indian Democracy. It is interesting...
Please do not make envlove to Mother Teresa. Otherwise, I will bring Nepolean (Imperial).
Do you really know Indian Revolution? Do you Bhagat Singh? or Subbash Chandra Boss? These revolutionaries were the driving force of Real Democracy. Let me Brief...
Bhagat Singh was born in a Sikh family of farmers in the village of Banga of Layalpur district of Punjab (now in Pakistan) on September 27th of 1907. His family stood for patriotism, reform, and freedom of the country. His grandfather Arjun Singh was drawn to Arya Samaj, a reformist movement of Hinduism and took keen interest in proceedings of Indian National congress. Bhagat Singh's father Kishen Singh and uncle Ajit Singh were members of Ghadr Party founded in the U.S. in early years of this century to route British rule in India. Both were jailed for alleged anti-British activities. Ajit Singh had 22 cases against him and forced to flee to Iran.
Thereafter he went to Turkey, Austria, Germany and finally to Brazil to escape Black Water (Kalapani) punishment for his revolutionary activities in India.Young Bhagat Singh was brought up in a politically surcharged state of Punjab which was left with a seething memory of Jalianwalla Massacre of more than 400 innocent lives and thousand injured. As a lad of 14 he went to this spot to collect the soil sanctified of the park of Jallianwalla (bagh) in his lunch box, by the blood of the innocent and kept as memento for life.
Bhagat Singh was studying in National College founded by Lala Lajpat Rai, a great revolutionary leader and reformist. To avoid early marriage, he ran away from home and became a member of youth organization Noujawan Bharat Sabha which had membership of all sects and religions. He met Chandra Shekhar Sharma (Azad), B.K. Dutt and other revolutionaries. They used to print handouts, newspapers in secret and spread political awareness in India through Urdu, Punjabi and English. These were all banned activities in India at the time, punishable with imprisonment.
Anti-British feelings were spreading; Indians wanted some proper representation in running the administration of their country to which British reciprocated only on paper. Noticing restlessness was spreading, the British Government appointed a commission under the the leadership of Sir John Simon in 1928 , to report on political happenings. There was no single Indian member in this commission and all the political parties decided to boycott the commission when it planned to visit major cities of India.
In Lahore, Lala Lajpat Rai and Pandit Madan Mohan Malavia decided to protest to the commission in open about their displeasure. It was a silent protest march, yet the police chief Mr. Scott had banned meeting or procession. Thousands had joined, without giving room for any untoward incident. Even then Mr. Scott beat Mr. Lala Lajpat Rai severely with a lathi (bamboo stick) on the head several times. Finally the leader succumbed to the injuries.
Bhagat Singh who was an eye witness to the morbid scene vowed to take revenge and with the help of Azad, Rajguru and Sukhadev plotted to kill Scott. Unfortunately he killed a junior officer, Mr. Sanders in a case of mistaken identity. He had to flee from Lahore to escape death punishment.
Instead of finding the root cause for discontent of Indians, the British government took to more repressive measures. Under Defense of India Act, it gave more powers to police, to arrest persons to stop processions with suspicious movements and actions. The act brought in the council was defeated by one vote. Even then it was to be passed in the form of an ordinance in the interest of the public. No doubt the British were keen to arrest all leaders who opposed its arbitrary actions and Bhagat Singh who was in hiding all this while, volunteered to throw a bomb in the central assembly where the meeting to pass ordinance was being held. It was a carefully laid out plot, not to cause death or injury but to draw the attention of the government, that the modes of its suppression could no more be tolerated. It was agreed that Bhagat Singh and Batukeshwar Dutt would court arrest after throwing the bomb.
It was a forgone conclusion in 1929 April 8th at Delhi Central Assembly. Singh and Dutt threw handouts, and bombed in the corridor not to cause injury and courted arrest after shouting slogans Inquilab Zindabad (Long Live, Revolution!)
Meanwhile the killers of Sanders were identified with the treachery of Bhagat Singh's friends who became "Approvers." Bhagat Singh thought the court would be a proper venue to get pu8blicity for the cause of freedom and did not want to disown the crime. But he gave fiery statement giving reasons for killing which was symbolic of freedom struggle. He wanted to be shot like a soldier and not die at gallows . But, his plea was rejected and he was hanged on 23rd March 1931. He was 24. He gave an example that "without arm revolution, democracy was only gosship".
Bhagat Singh became a legendary hero with masses. Innumerable songs were composed about him and the youth throughout the country made him their ideal. He became a symbol of bravery and a goal to free India..
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| 33 thousand God Godness |
Posted
on 14-May-02 10:07 PM
Why Democracy does not work with current corrupted politician, leaders and people?
Let me explain: The Law of the nature written by God and Godness.
(1) Donkey eats a bunch of grass.
(2) Snake eats a frog.
(3) Human eats a chocolate cake.
Do you think that if we change requirement, will it works or not?
Lets give,
(1) A frog to Donkey.
(2) A bunch of grass to Human.
(3) A chocolate to Snake.
Now, It is universal truth by nature, this experiment and a system does not work.
Let’s do real:
(1) A bad politician needs undemocratic corrupted bad political environment or systems.
(2) A good politician needs strong democratic political environment or systems.
Do you think that if we change requirements, will it work or not?
Lets give:
(1) Undemocratic corrupted bad political environment or systems To a Good politician or people.
(2) Strong democratic political environment or systems To a Bad politician or people.
Give me a Final answer? Do you think “The Law of nature” will work?
My Dear Folks… I believe that we must agree that the final answer “No, it does not work”.
My Conclusion: Democracy only work with Good people, it does not with Bad people. That’s way we had many times democracy, but it is still fail……..
We cannot beat to “The Law of nature”. If people do not follow “The Law of nature”, they will choose their own destruction.
That’s way we are obviously facing its “cause and effect.”
I hope that we understand something about Nepal, Democracy and Revolution.
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 15-May-02 12:44 AM
I do not believe that I need to justify the need for democracy and freedom in this board. If you do not believe in freedom and democracy you should not be participating in this board. It is as simple as that. You should stick to where your mouth is, meaning you should stand-up and live for the principles that you believe in. This will be the beginning of new Nepal. This will be the day when a sun will shine in Nepal. When people stick to where their mouth is.
I do not intend to discuss about Indian revolution. My intention for bringing the leaders was to indicate that even the renowned leaders would have failed to start for a "friendly" discussion with the maobadis.
The democracy in Nepal will HAVE to succeed. There is no other alternative. It is the demand of time and it is the need of the society. You need to understand the drawbacks of democracy. Democracy is only as good as you can make it. It is up to the people to make the best of Democracy. The current situation in Nepal is due to lack of understanding of the democratic principles and value of a ballot. I do see in the horizon the every Nepali citizen will stand-up and vote for the right candidate that they believe in. Then the new Nepal will shine. The leadership with accountability will have to emerge from people. This is the future of Nepal. Some armed brain washed gorillas cannot control the future of Nepal. Maobadis have shown that they are more corrupted, more ruthless and have less moral grounds than a sociopath killer. I am saying this based on all the news published in the national and international media. What group in a right mind will kill a candidate from another party after skinning and tormenting the person for hours? You can read the horrifying account in this board.
I want you to compare the psychology of these killers and a common person that is living a normal life and supporting this family? Do you see the difference?? These maobadis have way surpassed the lower limit that humanity could have reached. They have destroyed the infrastructure, they have looted the banks. Whose money is in the banks? It is your money and mine and the banks are not federally insured!
Blaming the current system for the maobadi problem is childish. Maobadi is caused by a couple of very cunningly clever people who know how to "cash" on the sentiments of the poor. It is nothing more.
Nepal just had its democracy. It will take some time for the people to understand the value of democracy. It is coming. I am certain that one day all the people will be fed-up with the violence and demand peace. Then all the maobadis will disappear like the drop of water in sand. Only time will tell, I am anxiously watching.
Nepal is also lobbying for international support to crush the maobadis. I see this as a very positive step. Nepal will grow out of the maobadi issue and then only democracy will prosper. This is my dream. I have a dream that one day my children will be able to freely go to the remote village without concern for safety.
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| Simple Question |
Posted
on 15-May-02 03:58 PM
If you hate revolution and revolutionaries those who are fighting for True Democracy, human right, justice, freedom, equality, and your future, tell us how can you make better future of Nepal in this situation.
Could you give us any or only one name of leader and political party who can we trust, who has dignity and respect, who are not corrupted, who has political strength and intelligence?
Could you tell me your best solution for Nepal and Nepal? Don't go by book and your fantasy? We need a real solution?
Do you really know how many times democracy came in Nepal? How many times we kick them off.......
First thing, Do you know what is Democracy? We know we tell it is "Democracy". But democracy never implemented in Nepal. Current Nepal political is not democracy.
USA, Japan, Britain has Democracy but don't even think to compare with them.
Those countries having Democracy doesn't mean Nepal has Democracy.
Give me your answer from real life? Do not give me answer from the book ,or expired old time gossip. Be real....
One thing, you cannot answer if you are responsible or among or the part or unit of corruption of Nepal. Or you just want to fight rather than understand.
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 15-May-02 04:43 PM
The maobadi movement in Nepal, I do not consider as a revolution. I consider this the act of manipulating the poor. I do not support the maobadi movement because of the fundamental beliefs. I believe in freedom, democracy and live and let live principle. Maobadis do not fall in any one of the categories. Maobadis do not believe in freedom; their idea of freedom is to have the power from the government. Maobadis do not believe in democracy neither they have respect for other opinions. Maobadis do not believe in live and let live principle. I have seen it enough and I do not believe that maobadi is the solution for anything, any problem for Nepal. It is a big problem in itself.
Revolution is a good name to give when there is a foreign power. But what do you call when people pickup arms against the elected government. This is called terrorism. Picking up arms against the elected government is picking up arms against the people. If you understand the principles of democracy you will know what I mean.
No I do not hate the revolutionaries (if you like to be called that, in my book this is not a revolution) nor the people that are with the maobadis. I do have a problem for their lack of understanding and how they see the future of Nepal.
I have already outlined the fundamental difference between democracy and the maobadi beliefs. I have a problem with the maobadi beliefs. I have a problem when I see that a group of uneducated, poor kids being recruited for the name of war. I have a problem when a man is skinned to death for his beliefs, I have a problem when a bank is robbed, I have a problem when some one gets killed, and I have a problem when I see how the people are being manipulated for the benefit of the few. There are so many problems instituted by maobadis I have a problem with all of them.
This does not mean that I endorse the government or their actions. I am not affiliated with the congress or the government but I support their actions against maobadis. I am a Nepali that believes in freedom and democracy. I believe in the country that my ancestors gave their life to preserve. If time comes I will be happy to give mine if it makes any difference.
Once the people understand the value of a ballot and elect the right candidate then the democracy will shine. It will take time for the democracy to be the life of a villager or a farmer, but this will happen.
If you look around the world, there is no more communism. The countries of the world have denounced maobadi actions and have asked for peaceful resolution. But talks and reason are beyond the barriers of maobadis. They know how to manipulate the poor by polity, money and threat. All the poor people in Nepal need is a little hope and the maobadis are giving them just that for the sake of their life.
I have said many times that the solution for the problems of Nepal is education, understanding the value of a ballot, electing the right candidate and accountably are the solutions for Nepal. Maobadis cannot provide any solution. They do not have a solution. All they say is give me the power and I will make the problem go away. But you have to think really hard whose problem is going to go away? Yours? Mine? Or the maobadis?
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| ?/? |
Posted
on 15-May-02 06:55 PM
Nepali Chora
You could not answer this question, could you ? Then stop farting. You have no moral right to talk about Maoists if you don't have answer to this simple but a full package question. Maoists are the answer. May be they are not an ideal answer. But they are the only answer. People understand this. If you are disillusioned by the government propaganda, it is a different story. Otherwise Maoists have enough support of people in Nepal.
"Could you give us any or only one name of leader and political party who can we trust, who has dignity and respect, who are not corrupted, who has political strength and intelligence?"
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 15-May-02 10:26 PM
Certainly! I can answer all your questions, this is an easy one.
There are many respected people in Nepal who could be a "true people person". There are several discussions in this board for the honorable people. I will give you one link. You have to find the rest by your self.
http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=3194
Maobadis is not the answer to anything. I think you are illusioned. You want to believe that maobadi have plenty of support. There is support from the people that your leaders have successfully exploited. These are the poor and the oppressed. These are the ones that are getting killed. These are the ones that have no education. These are the ones that do not have a choice. Once the guerrillas have joined the group there is no way they can resume a normal life, alive. Maobadis are no more than a ruthless scums with no moral values.
The support for Maobadi is not going to last for a long time. This is my prediction. You have to wait and see. Only time will tell.
The truth is out there. There are numerous reports from independent media, national and international about the horrific acts of maobadis. And you are saying that all this is government propaganda?? What you are saying is a brain washed copied words of your so-called leaders. They use the exact words when they do not have a justification. This is a classic example of communism and oppression. You have lost the ability of being rational. You have to think really hard do you want your kids to be like you? Do you want them to be free to make their own choice on what they want to believe or they should believe just like you, should they be punished if they believe otherwise? If you are honest in answering this you are heading to the right direction.
You are fighting a war against an "elected government". An elected government comes from people. You are fighting against the people. Do you understand the meaning behind these words?
What makes you think that the maobadi after having 5,000 guerillas can rule the country? What makes you think that the threat, chaos and horror will rule forever? What makes you think that there will be no international support for the democratic government? What makes you think that everyone in Nepal will sit quietly and bear the terror?
Maobadi will bring destruction and only destruction to the country, society, culture, economy and an expensive population growth control, nothing more.
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Posted
on 16-May-02 12:48 AM
NepaliChora
You made it ample clear how bankrupt is the present fake democracy of Nepal. I challanged you repeatedly to produce just a single name of socalled democrat leaders or party that we can trust for a leadership and you could not do that. Instead you gave a link. NepaliChora I am not asking for a link. Just a name of a person from the crowd of thousands of politicians you want us to trust and follow. Just one name. Damn it. One name. Tell us in this board. Let everybody know his name.
You don't have a single person to take name !
That much for your fake democracy.
"Maobadis is not the answer to anything."
They are the only hope left in the country. All others have proved what they are. Should I explain it to you ?
" I think you are illusioned."
Not about the fake democracy at least.
" You want to believe that maobadi have plenty of support. "
Whether I want to believe or not, they have. They have walked 20 years in mere 6 years. They have proved impossible is only in the dictionary of fools.
"There is support from the people that your leaders have successfully exploited."
That's your opinion. Sleep on it, if you like.
"These are the poor and the oppressed."
You are right. They are. Of course the rich and the oppressor wouldn't join the revolution. Would they ?
"These are the ones that are getting killed."
Yes. Your king has sent his loyal dog, the PM, all over the world to beg for deadly weapons. They want to kill more people while enjoying themselves the fruit of unhindered corruption
"These are the ones that have no education. These are the ones that do not have a choice."
Yap they did not have a choice. But now they chose. They chose to say enough is enough.
"Once the guerrillas have joined the group there is no way they can resume a normal life, alive"
Don't pretend a sympathy. You are with the killers. Be honest.
"Maobadis are no more than a ruthless scums with no moral values."
Who is speaking about moral values ? King ? Prince ? PM ? Ministers ? MPs ? Ranas ? Top officials ? relatives and supporters of these scums ?
Maobadis are revolutionaries doing the highest sacrifice of their lives and comfort for establishing real democracy and socio-economic justice. Compare them with self-proclaimed democrats and royals !
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Posted
on 16-May-02 12:48 AM
"The support for Maobadi is not going to last for a long time. This is my prediction. You have to wait and see. Only time will tell."
Has any prediction made by reactionaries about Maobadi proved true so far ? What does that tell to you ?
" The truth is out there. There are numerous reports from independent media, national and international about the horrific acts of maobadis. And you are saying that all this is government propaganda??"
Most of them are exaggeration, misrepresentation and misunderstanding. Some are true. But everything is magnified way too much. Now, I ask you why don't you talk about horrible acts of police and army ? That's ok for you, isn't it.
Revolutions are always painful. Lots of unintended things happen. A revolution should be judged by the its objective, not by co-lateral damages. The objective of Maobadi is to establish full democracy and a fair society. A multiparty parliamentary republican state. Its purpose is neither to establish a single party dictatorship nor to close the country like North Korea. This is just the propoganda of the reactionaries and misunderastanding of some people unaware of facts about Maobadi.
" What you are saying is a brain washed copied words of your so-called leaders. They use the exact words when they do not have a justification. This is a classic example of communism and oppression."
NCP(M) is not a classical communist party. It is a democratic party. Its ideals are democracy and justice, just what you and I want.
" You have lost the ability of being rational."
It's you. You are blind if you see democracy in Nepal. If you see justice in Nepal.
"You have to think really hard do you want your kids to be like you? Do you want them to be free to make their own choice on what they want to believe or they should believe just like you, should they be punished if they believe otherwise?"
I want myself and my kids to be able to make own choice. Right now can you choose murderer Paras Shah not to be the person you are obliged to show respect ?
" If you are honest inanswering this you are heading to the right direction."
I think so.
"You are fighting a war against an "elected government". An elected government comes from people. You are fighting against the people. Do you understand the meaning behind these words?"
Are you really a dumb ? Maobadi are not fighting with an 'elected government' or an elected PM or the king as a peraon. They are fighting against a big lie. They are fighting against a fake system that they want us to believe as democracy. What we have is a semi-democracy, if you like. Monarchy is the supreme authority although official propoganda says it is a power-less institution. It is not an elected body.
"What makes you think that the maobadi after having 5,000 guerillas can rule the country?"
These fighters are only to accomplish the revolution. After that they will be dismantled and integrated into the state force. They will rule the country exactly the same way NC is ruling. By election, by ballot, by political workers and by popular support.
" What makes you think that the threat, chaos and horror will rule forever?"
These 'horror' will end the day we have a demaocratic republican state.
" What makes you think that there will be no international support for the democratic government?"
Maobadi will give a true democratic government if they are elected. If they are not elected, then they will be giving at least a true democratic system for you and me to enjoy and thank Maobadi for that"
"What makes you think that everyone in Nepal will sit quietly and bear the terror?"
Because this 'terror' is only for Gyanendra and royalist politicians.
"Maobadi will bring destruction and only destruction to the country, society, culture, economy and an expensive population growth control, nothing more."
Propaganda and more propaganda. As a matter of fact what you described is what is happening until now. Maoists will try to put an end to it, with or without other party's co-operation.
Maoists are not perfect. They are humans. But before judging them, keep in mind that a revolution against feudal and corrupt elite in power can not be like a perfect dinner party. Read about all the revolutions in the history. Do not take propaganda as a first-rate information. And believe Nepal deserves DEMOCRACY. And it is finally happening.
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| answer-3 |
Posted
on 16-May-02 12:58 AM
Nepal communist Party(maoist) is the one of the greatest political party in the world.
Their leaders are greatest leders in the world.
People who support maoist are the greatest people in the world.
what maoist are doing are the greatest works in the world.
There is of course no no no no no no no no no no no question.
lalsalam mero sabailai !!!!!!!!!!
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 16-May-02 08:28 AM
The maobadis,
I will not endorse people or a person in this board. There are plenty of people in Nepal who are honest and can lead the country to the next level. YOU have to LOOK HARD. Leadership comes from people not from guns.
I do not endorse the actions of the government but I do support the actions against maobadis. I support the cause.
You are fighting for the true democracy? If you are, democracy is already there. You just have to work your way up to get the leadership. You have to convince people to vote for you or your party. This is a whole easier than killing 25% of the population. Isn't it?
All your comments are good for the uneducated or the person that has lost the rational thinking. All the maobadi actions are against the principles of democracy and rights of the people.
Everyone that does not believe in your ideology is a "reactionary", and this is democracy, in your opinion? You are fighting for the king to be replaced by whom? BR or P?
You want us to believe that you are fighting for a democracy within democracy? What a mediocre statement. Maobadis are democratic party? Only fools will listen to your statements.
(also there are several people responding to my statements representing as one person, what are you people trying to achieve? If you think that you will gain support from the developed world and the west you are in for a big surprise.)
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| super bad-i |
Posted
on 16-May-02 09:23 AM
if your drivel weren't so hilarious, it would be completely pathetic. maoists will rule nepal over my dead body. us, uk, and india will back democracy in nepal ALL THE WAY, so you can save your breath, because freedom will not roll over for you, terrorist. ironically, some day people will look back at this time and realize that the maobadis absolute depravity ultimately strengthened nepal and reified democracy. all your false bravado is merely your death rattle. good luck to your buddies--they're gonna get zapped muy pronto, tonto!
as for that phony salute...
"don't raise your hand, if you don't mean it.
don't raise your hand, if you don't clean it."
~james brown
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 16-May-02 02:48 PM
To all maobadis,
You might have heard the your leader is asking for talks! If the talks are sucessful you guys will be serving tea to the current leaders and their chamchas in their house. I know what your moral ground is! I am sorry, you do not have a moral ground.
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| Indian Political Analyst |
Posted
on 18-May-02 03:25 PM
(1) Racism and Cast system problem (I am superior class, you must bow me and kiss my foot, and never touch me)
(2) Religious problem (My religion is better than your)
(3) Class problem (lower class, higher class, superior class) – Poor is getting poorer and Rich is getting Richer every day and night.
(4) Unsolved Political Problem
(5) Economy and health problems (All kind of world’s dangerous diseases)
(6) Population problem (Family planning is an Evil culture)
(7) Corruption on all fields (Power and money, you can do anything)
(8) Education problem (School for only rich people)
(9) Social and Culture problems (I will marry your daughter but show me the big money)
(10) Girl trafficking and prostitution problem
(11) Problem of human right and justice
(12) India build Atom Bomb but more 50% population live in Hail.
Note: Nepal is already the poorest country, but Indian people come to seek employment or want to earn money in Nepal. You just think that what their real condition are?
(13) India is burning (Assam, Kashmir, Punjab, Sikkim, Bihar, and Ayodha)
" India is an Original sketch, Nepal is a blue print. Don't copy Bad, but copy Good one..... "
- Binod Bikanta (Political Analyst)
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| Captain Nepal Army |
Posted
on 18-May-02 03:58 PM
Farmers, villagers and students fought and did victory against professional well-trained Nepalese Army, and now these Army scare to death and pulled back from all battle posts. We can ask ourselves that how much these corrupted people did corruption in Nepalese Army. Army even does not have gut to do their own professional tasks, because they are already became handicaps by these corrupted people. Nepalese Army has good soldiers but they are in Bad people’s hand. I fought first battle and survived but I felt that I was fight with wrong people, so I quit from Army. I trained to fight with enemy’s soldiers but not with farmers, villagers and students, teachers and Nepalese…….
It is true “ Badar lai Nariwal…. “
So we have to think and understand …. Maybe our thinking is wrong….. Maybe our belief is wrong……..
Shiva ( Retired Capt. Nepal Army)
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 19-May-02 01:58 AM
I agree that there are problems in India, Nepal and other countries. Which country doesn't? My point was that the Indian politics directly affects us. If you look at all the revolutions in Nepal it was fought from India. Maobadis are also fighiting from India. If India decides to quell the maobadi activities in India, India can do that very quickly and effectively. India has a much better infrastructure and intelligence. Please understand that I am not advocating for India nor I like India but I think Indian support is crucial to fight the current insurgency. Similar like US getting help from Pakistan to fight the Talibans. I understand that the issues are different but the idea is not different. We need Indian support to fight the insurgency.
It is frustrating for some Nepalis to see that Indians come to Nepal for employment. We also need to understand that Nepaleese go to India for employment as well. Nepaleese getting jobs in India has been going on for generations. Again, I am not advocating for the Indians.
There is a problem of corruption in Nepal, no one can deny that. We need to look think on how we can solve corruption problem but maobad is not the answer for this problem. maobad will bring total destruction to our social, moral, cultural and economical life of Nepal.
The current problems in Nepal can be solved when people understand the value of a ballot and only cast the ballot for the candidate they believe in. This is where the new leadership with accountability emerges and the country prospers. It will take time for the people to understand the value of election. The idea is to educate the general population about democracy.
Once the general population stops saying "jun jogi aye pani kani chireko" then the democracy will shine. This solution might sound a bit far fetched but it is achievable and can be quickly obtained. There needs to be a national campaign to educate the people about the values of democracy along with the economic reform programs.
Not believing in democracy is the biggest mistake and Nepal cannot afford other wise. It will take some time to reap fruits from the tree of democracy. We have only had democracy for a very short period of time. Democracy is what you make of it. In democracy people are free to make choices. Many times people make wrong choices, but will learn from them. This is the history of democracy. It took over 200 years for US to be where it is today. Did US had problems in the past? You bet it did. US had to work really, really hard to be where it is today. In democracy, people have to take responsibility. If you look at the democratic countries people only argue about the different party candidates during the election. As soon as the election is over they all support the elected candidate. This is true democracy. This is where the choice of the people gets honoured.
When I travelled out of Nepal many years ago, I was suprized how much a common citizen supports its government. Once the election is over every one gets behind the elected government to make it sucessful. However, the situation is just opposite in Nepal. We all fight during election and we all fight after election. This will have to change.
Nepaleese political consciousness is getting better every day. We learn the hard way and we are forced to learn. This is the begining of democracy.
I also want to comment on the current proposal for talks from Maobadis and an attack on orphanage. Maobadis are trying to put pressure on the government for talks by attacking the orphonage! They cannot attack the infrastructure so they selected an orphonage! It sounds pathetic, doesn’t it? This is a prime example of how the maobadis operate on threat.
I want to appeal to all the people that have empathy toward maobadis and say that maobadis are driven by an idea of a betterment of society but do not have an idealogy for it. They do not even have moral grounds to stand on, how can they bring betterment of the society? How can a group of killers that like to kill the poeple of other beleifs be nice to you once they find out that you do not like or approve their idea? There are a lot of fundamental wrongs with the maobadi system and it will not survive. It is only a metter of time. Think really hard before wasting your time and life for a cause that is going to loose.
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 19-May-02 02:08 AM
I have a question for a person pretending to be Shiva and Binod Bikanta. I know you are one person with two different names. Why are you trying to support your own argument with 2 different names? You can do better than that.
Captain Nepal Army -> Shiva ( Retired Capt. Nepal Army)
Indian Political Analyst -> Binod Bikanta (Political Analyst)
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| Mee |
Posted
on 19-May-02 01:18 PM
Nepalichorra has been putting forward the fact that democracy can be preserved thru electing our own leaders by ballot system, right? But in reality these elections have not been fair. You should be aware of the fact that all these netas bringing in their people from India-just to VOTE. So, how can we say that we will have an 'elected government'. I think that all these Netas are shameless. Everyone knows how bad their government was and they are the main cause of this problem. But they still don't seem to change. They all do not deserve to be where they are. People have lost faith in them so nepali chorro, who can we trust then? I am not saying that the Maoists are doing an awesome job, but comon, just think-- they must have suffered and suffered so bad that it led them to this situation now.
I guess most of us are from the city or even far away from home, but have we really been to those rural areas? I guess not huh! I have not either but I can imagine how it would be. The trafficking of our 'cheli betis' and our politicians been involved/supporting it has given the government a bad image. I think that those people have suffered and it has forced them to take this wrong direction. Do you think they don't have a heart? Yes, we nepalese aka bir gorkhali's are famous for fighting and being loyal, but hey not with our own brothers and sisters. They have been exploited to the extent that have been forced to take this step. Ofcourse, what they are doing is not the right thing but what other choice did they have?I guess that was there last hope i.e. to take guns and be on the street.
I guess now people are more concerned as we are hearing news all the time of people dying and fighting with each other, but this has been the trend since the last decade. It's just that now it has gained publicity and is effecting everyone of us. There used to be death, injustice, corruption, robbery and blah blah blah, but why were we then so quiet? We've seen it all and I guess it was our fault not to voice against it for some part. In other countries if there is a increase in price for anything then the whole city is against it and out on the street but we nepalese were just tolerating it and thought it was the new standard of living. The politicians eventually got so much power and freedom that they started abusing it.
Deuba and other neta's instead of asking for international help should first get some help themselves to clean their soul. What were they supposed to do for the country and what they have done. They should be guilty of everything thats happening now.
Although the Maoists action should be condemned, the politicians owe them a whole lot. We are spending so much money on security forces now, but it would have been really smart of them if they avoided all these problem from the very beginning and took a step to improve our country.What are we getting now? Nothing-just death, robbery, brutality and blah blah blah. Do you think the leaders are now faithful to us?? I doubt it!!! I think that they do not have any value for human lives anymore. Comon, what the heck!! Everytime I read the news, the same old story phrased in new words. This many people died, this many houses burnt, this many soldiers killed and blah blah blah. I am tired of this shit now. Neither the Maoists nor the parties are gaining anything from this war. All I know is everything SUCKS and it should be stopped ASAP!
-Peace!
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 19-May-02 05:16 PM
Peace is the ultimate goal. But wanting peace without a resolution is trying to close the eyes to avoid danger; this phenomenon is common but not wise. The insurgency has risen to the heights it has never been before.
I have been to the less developed areas of Nepal, not as many as I would like but I have a good understanding of the living standards of the people in the different parts of the country. When I was in Nepal, we had formed a group to educate the underpreviledged and the children. This was all voluntary effort. We used our pocket money to fund the expences of running the program and we were all students. The point I am trying to make is that I am familiar with the problems of Nepal and I am deeply concerned. The maobad problem is going to push the country backwards for decades.
I do not believe that the maobad problem is due to the current government or the previous governments. I strongly believe that maobad is caused my some cunningly clever leaders that know how to manipulate the underpreviledged. For the underpreviledged little hope is enough, they donot have the ability to question or to make the independent judgement. These are characteristics of the 5,000 hardcore gurillas most of them are also young kids.
I also understand that there is a problem in Nepal, corruption on all levels including elections. This is where we need to focus our energy. Whichever government comes tomorrow it will face the same or similar problem as we are dealing with the same people. Corruption has taken a strong hold, as there are no counter measures for it. Having a free, corruption free society is not going to be cheap. Nepal will have to find ways to effectively collect tax to preserve its own.
This type of discussion is what we need to have on the national level. Also, we need to form a consortium of intellectuals, prominent political figures and social figures to head this effort on national level on every district. This district will serve as a “complaints department” to look into all the corruption matters. There should be a problem registration and follow-up process that should be directly tied to the ruling government and should be held accountable if no satisfactory resolution was presented. Of course we need to have the necessary hardware and support structure to support this function. This corruption control entity should have access to the judicial and criminal investigation. Currently there is no effective corruption control entity and people that are in power do not have threat or very little threat of being caught. This is a big problem but not big enough to be solved. Corruption is the main cause of all the problems in the current governmental structure.
If you look at the democratic countries they all had the similar problems. Democracy has its price and it is not free.
I am continuesly referring to maobadis as they are thought to be an alternative to the current government structure by some. This is where I strongly disagree. IMHO maobad is a problem in itself and it will destroy our social, cultural and economics of Nepal and it will not solve any problem. Maobad might be seen as an alternative for corruption but not so in reality. Maobadis are also the same people even hungrier for wealth and money with no moral grounds. I see maobadis leaders as even worse than the most corrupted politician of all times. Maobadis do not have an ideology yet are driven by ruthless scums who enjoy on taking human life and robbing banks and people needless to say that forcefully collecting tax and donations from people is also robbing them.
I am an advocate for change and this is the time when people of Nepal will have to take charge and elect good leaders with accountability. I understand that there is a problem with the current election process, as well. We are also not fully equipped to handle the massive election process, but these problems can be addressed rather than turning the system upside down.
Rather than being frustrated with corruption and shrugging our shoulders or closing our eyes we need to have strategic planning to bring the country free of corruption and to make it a free society where every one lives and expresses freely; it is only achievable in democracy and it is achievable. It is just a matter of time and effort and it is inevitable.
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| Guru Ba |
Posted
on 21-May-02 10:20 PM
This message to: NepaliChora or Nepali Lato chor.
" Ratvari kure ko Budi ta jiudai........."
I jump here........ because I read all messages but NepaliChora have no single clue.... Just talking bullshits that what he likes, but Nepalichora seems not able to see real Nepalese life, and condition of Nepal. I know, You know! even a dog knows what it likes. Dog can see what is infront of it, Maybe dog can remember, and sure it can not see future. Because its mental and physical ability, but we are a human being we should know at least more than dog.
Salam hajurrrr........
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 22-May-02 01:29 AM
Guruba,
I am glad you are reading my message. "budi" is democracy, eventhough she is only a decade old, she is going to outlive all of us you will see! She is having some problems at the moment but she WILL be treated and will come out even stronger. Even though some of us want it dead.
There are certain things that animals have and humans do not. For example dogs have unconditional love and support to its owner. It is the "man's best friend." The extraordinary sensual ability of dogs are evident as they are used in security and crime cases. Dogs are used as a guide to the blind. Dogs are also used for transportation and rescue effort. It is the animal that you can always count on to notify you when some intruder enters the house. Humans lack all these qualities but if you see these qualities in me I am gratified. You can see me as a dog trying to notify you all of the ills of having an intruder enter our house. maobad is an intrusion in the soil of Nepal.
The recent proposal for talks also suggests that Indian support is enough to quell the insurgency. Pardon me for saying this but I do not see the life of maobad for a long time.
There are some people in this board that think maobad will bring some positive change to the society post maobad era. My opinion is the contribution is not due to maobad but it is democracy. Due to the democratic society we have the freedom to do what ever we want, even killing each other, until now. Now we know that this is not the type of freedom we want. Now we know that we want freedom where there is safety & justice for all and no corruption.
This is the beginning of democracy era in Nepal; we have only had it of a decade. I am very much aware of the condition of Nepal and the horrific conditions that maobad has introduced, needless to say that I am also aware of the current problems of Nepal and the problems before democracy. Problems demand resolution, resolution brings change, change brings happiness, happiness brings peace and peace brings prosperity. This is only possible in democracy. It is coming; I guarantee it!
Tapai lai pani namaste..
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 22-May-02 01:51 AM
NC wrote: There are some people in this board that think maobad will bring some positive change to the society post maobad era.
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Yes, in Mandales were there and we used to refer to someone who
was gunda.
But, now we refer to someone Kasto Maobadi jasto rahicha to someone
who kills someone or torture someone using force, and weapons and
jina haram garidincha. So, Mandales are now better peoples, at least
their reference was not to mean someone killer. When I visited to
one friends house last weekend in Tokyo, he asked me where should
I start. Please, bring first your recommended best selection of today's
menu, was my reply. He came up with some food and one of them
he named it as Maobadi Khana, and everyone out there laughed.
They got the meaning, and some kids asked him, "uncle, kina
Maobadi khana bhaneko yaslai". I guess the readers here are all adult
to guess what kind of food that would be. "Maobadi Khana"
peoples understood its behavior by its name. Well, now Maobad
is bring some new representative changes in food too.
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 22-May-02 02:00 AM
Biggest Positive change Maoists brought is the increment of
vocabulary in Nepali dictionary "Maobadi", like "Mandale"
in Panchayat after 36saal ko janamat sangraha.
Maobadi:
1. group of peoples who were said to be follower of Mao's
political theories
2. group of people lead by Prachanda and BRB
3. in common peoples use after Maoist's socalled peoples' war
was over, referred to an individual who kills, torture or threatens
anyone who disagrees with him.
Uses: e.g. Kasti Maobadi Jasto rahicha.
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| Revolution Human Right |
Posted
on 13-Jun-02 10:03 PM
What is going on outside world and in your home:
http://www.humanrights.de/n/nepal/
10 million march in Berlin...............
1.5 million in Remote Area in part of Nepal alone...........
People are not Crazy, Stupid but desparate for human right, justice, equality and freedom.....
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| Communist? |
Posted
on 13-Jun-02 11:52 PM
Revolution Human Right,
Another face of communist is Human Rights. This is where all the comunists hide. You think we do not know that? There is a reason maobadis are called terrorists, these crazy bastards need to be eradicarted.
Go RNA go.. Kill the bastards..
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| goverment kill Journalist |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 11:06 AM
The Federation of Nepalese Journalists has called on the government to give details about the condition of a jailed newspaper editor.
The group's president Taranath Dahal made the demand after newspaper reports suggested that Krishna Sen, the editor of a pro-Maoist newspaper Janadisha, had died after being tortured.
The Nepalese authorities have yet to comment on the reports.
Nepalese journalists have accused the authorities of tightening restrictions on the press, and say journalists have been harassed -- and in some cases arrested or tortured -- since a state of emergency was declared last November.
From the newsroom of the BBC World Service
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_2067000/2067869.stm
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