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| Satya Prakash |
Posted
on 08-May-02 09:04 PM
PM Sher Bahadur Deuba was accorded a warm welcome by Washington DC area Nepali community residents today. Following Mr. Deuba’s speech, a Q and was also held in which the Prime Minister answered the questions from the audience. Here are some of the points the PM expressed in the course of the Q & A session.
1. Maobadis have brainwashed the poor people, unemployed youth and sold dreams to some people (pichhariyeka jatiharu) who were left out from the development activities
2. There is absolutely no way for the government to sit down to talk with the Maobadis until they lay down the arms.
3. Maobadis are terrorists; they spread terrorism
4. The people of Nepali origin living in Amerika, who are American citizens, can now get a 10-year multiple visa for the purpose of studying, research and teaching, etc.
5.All countries condemn terrorism. We have support from the US, UK, China, India and Japan in our fight for terrorism.
6. Where were (koon duloma) these Maobadis were hiding when there was rampant political suppression during the Panchayati regime?
7. We do not want that Nepalis kill Nepalis.
8. With regard to corruption, if anyone has become rich suddenly, there is an authority to look into it by finding out the sources of income.
9. It takes time to spread development throughout the country. How many years did it Amerika take to be developed?
10. There is total freedom of speech in Nepal. Once can freely talk, write and even oppose the PM.
11. The root cause of the Maobadis is the Maobadis themselves.
Because of the low volume of the microphone and, at times, increasing noise from the audience, it was hard to hear the answers to the following questions asked by the audience:
Is the treasury on the verge of bankrupt?
There are those in the Nepali Congress who have raised arms and hijacked plane in the past. Are they not the terrorists?
Your own party president is calling for a dialogue with the Maobadis, why are you saying that you will not talk with the Maobadis?
It seems it is only the government who does not want to have a talk with the Maobadis while all parties in Nepal, including the ruling NC, are calling for a dialogue with the Maobadis, why? Would not save a lot of killings?
Of course, the PM had said more that what I have listed here but the memory of this note taker was fading at the end of the long workday. If you were there, please do chime in. As a humble note taker, I have refrained from giving my own comments on what the PM had said.
However, I would say this. The PM appeared to be in his best mood. He made all feel at home. The graceful presence of his lovely spouse was an added attraction.
Kudos to the organisers!
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 09-May-02 01:12 AM
Let me give my comments to PM's answers!
1. Maobadis have brainwashed the poor people, unemployed youth and sold dreams to some people (pichhariyeka jatiharu) who were left out from the development activities
--Why were they able to achieve this feat in the first place? Why is there poverty, illiteracy, and people untouched by development? How come they can be so easily brainwashed?
2. There is absolutely no way for the government to sit down to talk with the Maobadis until they lay down the arms.
--Why did not the government have any serious intention during the failed first round of talk? Why did it indulge in talks for the sake of talk and not solution?
3. Maobadis are terrorists; they spread terrorism
--So does that mean Mao was a terrorist?
4. The people of Nepali origin living in Amerika, who are American citizens, can now get a 10-year multiple visa for the purpose of studying, research and teaching, etc.
--Why cannot it promote meritocracy and utilize its skilled manpower for its own developmental needs? Can Nepal really afford brain drain? Why is considered a mark of success is to go abroad?
5.All countries condemn terrorism. We have support from the US, UK, China, India and Japan in our fight for terrorism.
--Of course! The offcial position will always be against terrorism! Besides, it will be undiplomatic not to support the government, no matter how corrupt, against a group who harm innocent civilians and target developmental infrastructure!
6. Where were (koon duloma) these Maobadis were hiding when there was rampant political suppression during the Panchayati regime?
--It is not suppression that creates revolutions and uprisings, it is HOPE. These people have hope for a different future that will be somehow better for them. If they buy into that argument, it is for the government to show them otherwise.
7. We do not want that Nepalis kill Nepalis.
--What one wishes is different from reality. Nepalese have turned against each other now. Face it!
8. With regard to corruption, if anyone has become rich suddenly, there is an authority to look into it by finding out the sources of income.
--If so why was his government called for "good governance?" Why was he asked to check rampant corruption by Powel and other foreign leaders? Why are known corrupt ministers and bureaucrats walking tall?
9. It takes time to spread development throughout the country. How many years did it Amerika take to be developed?
--Does nepal have America's resources and hold an enviable position? A generation is ample enough to show a marked change; has Nepal changed?
10. There is total freedom of speech in Nepal. Once can freely talk, write and even oppose the PM.
--Then why are the journalists sent to jail? Do we have freedom of information?
11. The root cause of the Maobadis is the Maobadis themselves.
--Pretty lame! The root cause of Maobadis is self-centered politciains who have placed personal interest over and above the national interest!
Why is it that the microphones were not properly set up? Why such technical problems? Was it not an important event to make sure that such problems would not occur? I have hardly seen such lapses during interviews of American leaders. Are we still in Nepal? Seems like Nepalese can leave Nepal, but not their "Nepalipan". "Chalta hai" attitude!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-May-02 06:00 AM
I am trying to be informal (self proclaimed ) spokesman on behalf of Deoba:
(being obdient fan of Sher BD, I will put my points).
Siwalik wrote: Let me give my comments to PM's answers!
SP: 1. Maobadis have brainwashed the poor people, unemployed youth and sold dreams to some people (pichhariyeka jatiharu) who were left out from the development activities
SW: --Why were they able to achieve this feat in the first place? Why is there poverty, illiteracy, and people untouched by development? How come they can be so easily brainwashed?
HG: The communism propaganda agents were always find easy issues to
brainwashed young minds. This is why young peoples from outside KTM,
always (100% if they were not prepared before coming to KTM) akhile,
they never join NeBiSinghe. Its the starting point. As we all know, when
someone is trouble, if you use your kind voice, like "hera, bichara kasto
dukh payeko ..... ", as it happens in Gau, how peoples bhadkauchan
arkako buhari, "Bichari, kasto dukha payeki chhe, kati kaam garche ...
khan pani pet bhari paunnou re ho? Timri sashu, oho.... ", what will happen
to that Buhari ko manama, she will start thinking that there is someone
who can understand her Problem. Here lies the problem, "UNDERSTANDING
the PROBLEM", and AKhile to Communist Parties, all use this trick, they
show sympathy over poor peoples and mentally try to chit them. While
they point others problem and sympathize peoples in trouble, they don't
have to take responsibility, and neither they have to solve it. What they
will do is like another Sashu from neighbor hood, "Ma bheta yasto ramro
kaam garne buhari lai kati maya garthe", while her own buhari is suffering
from almost same problem. Its something like you can seduce others,
and communists are good in seducing peoples miserable situations. While
they don't have any real solutions, all they have is illusionary, and we have
already seen in the world , the dictators of communist regime don't let
their Buhari to speak or show a bit of their miserable life to any outsiders,
thus, they look always forced similing face. Its the same reason, the
Maoists were success in seducing peoples who have miserable life, and they
don't real solution, but, they give all fake promises, just the way the
Sashu from neighborhood giving false promises to attract the Buhari
in trouble and asking her to be away from her own Sashu, and this cycle
continues and one day they fight each other. When Buhari become
Sashu after a few years, she realize the situations and she knows what
was right and wrong, but, its already too late. Same thing is happening in
Nepal.
SP:2. There is absolutely no way for the government to sit down to talk with the Maobadis until they lay down the arms.
SW: --Why did not the government have any serious intention during the failed first round of talk? Why did it indulge in talks for the sake of talk and not solution?
HG: I think Deoba was really serious. As RNA had already showed through the
Videos picked up from Maoists camps, they were preparing for the fight, and
were just pretending it as TALK to make peoples fool. Now, more proofs are
coming, the Maoists are trying to make even India fool to use Indian land.
SP: 3. Maobadis are terrorists; they spread terrorism
SW: --So does that mean Mao was a terrorist?
HG: As China had already told that Maoists are not following what Mao
said or suggested. Even Chinese don't accept the Maosits as Mao-followers,
and lets not get away that by naming yourself Maoists, you don't become
Maoists. It should be clear to you.
SP: 4. The people of Nepali origin living in Amerika, who are American citizens, can now get a 10-year multiple visa for the purpose of studying, research and teaching, etc.
SW: --Why cannot it promote meritocracy and utilize its skilled manpower for its own developmental needs? Can Nepal really afford brain drain? Why is considered a mark of success is to go abroad?
HG: I think in this globalized world, Nepali should also occupy some position
in the world market of White collar job with extra-ordinary capabilities and it
will create a room for next generation Nepalis, who can get easy access to
quality education. Now leading universities to developed countries, seek
indians in IT market, why? Its because of the hard work of those indians
who migrated long time back, and demonstrated that Indians are good.
Directly it looks brain drain, but, indirectly, it has long term benefit. Nepalis
should also have this trend. Lets not be too patriotic, it will no let us know
where we are and where we want to go.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-May-02 06:01 AM
SP: 5.All countries condemn terrorism. We have support from the US, UK, China, India and Japan in our fight for terrorism.
SW: --Of course! The offcial position will always be against terrorism! Besides, it will be undiplomatic not to support the government, no matter how corrupt, against a group who harm innocent civilians and target developmental infrastructure!
HG: lets be positive. Nepalis of your education level should try to take
things positive, and many Nepalis suffer negative for everything or
anything, they are sarcastic and frustrated, they should not think
that we have to be always perfect to be positive, optimistic .
We should see our resources, and based on our available resources,
what we have achieved in private sectors in these 12 years was quite
commendable, but, corruption has rised, and its all because our educated mass
have double standard, they want to have more benefit of loopholes,
appreciate if the things done our own relatives or close friends, but
condemm if small wrong thing is done by another. We should try to give
first by ourselves by being positive, and being honest and optimistic.
In public talk everyone poses as if very honest, and nice guy just the
way the Sashu in first question was posing.
SP: 6. Where were (koon duloma) these Maobadis were hiding when there was rampant political suppression during the Panchayati regime?
SW: --It is not suppression that creates revolutions and uprisings, it is HOPE. These people have hope for a different future that will be somehow better for them. If they buy into that argument, it is for the government to show them otherwise.
HG: mitra SW, you are also one of those brainwashed by Maoist propaganda agents. The multy party system did not suppress them at very beginning.
If you remember, BRB wrote that the Maoists had ...karyagat ekata with
King, if it was true, then, witho whom they were fighting? was not it they
were fighting against Bahudal / democracy. They were never honest with
Democracy.
SP: 7. We do not want that Nepalis kill Nepalis.
Sw: --What one wishes is different from reality. Nepalese have turned against each other now. Face it!
HG: It was initiated by Maoists, and government is trying to stop the
death of more Nepalis killed by some fanatics in the name Peoples.
8. With regard to corruption, if anyone has become rich suddenly, there is an authority to look into it by finding out the sources of income.
--If so why was his government called for "good governance?" Why was he asked to check rampant corruption by Powel and other foreign leaders? Why are known corrupt ministers and bureaucrats walking tall?
HG: Deoba should sacrifice Khume and his gang and rapists like KC. Its
unfortunate, the gang leaders have kidnapped Nepali Congress Party,
because Govinde is on Girija side, who did not have money to polyster
ko pant, and now roams Nepal in Pajero. This is the dark side of
Khicha tani, and if UML would have sacrificed Bhim Rawal, and that
could have helped NC to put Khume and Govinde in Jail. but, its not
happening. ITs sad.
9. It takes time to spread development throughout the country. How many years did it Amerika take to be developed?
--Does nepal have America's resources and hold an enviable position? A generation is ample enough to show a marked change; has Nepal changed?
HG: In education, you can take an example. In 2036 there were only 30,000
appearing sLC exam, now its 250,000. In 203?, in chitwan or Pokhara,
they did not have real electricity supply, today, electricity supply has
reached to villages quite better . and Now Maoists are using Electricty
as their target to destablize peoples and running terror .....
10. There is total freedom of speech in Nepal. Once can freely talk, write and even oppose the PM.
--Then why are the journalists sent to jail? Do we have freedom of information?
HG: Freedom has a limit, and certain boundaries, you can not use it
to destablize public harmony or society.
11. The root cause of the Maobadis is the Maobadis themselves.
--Pretty lame! The root cause of Maobadis is self-centered politciains who have placed personal interest over and above the national interest!
Hg: PM reply is perfectly fit with the problem creators. BRB gave only
a few days before he went to self hide, and his demands could require
years, and as Maoists they themselves say it may need years , similarly,
you can not solve many issues in a day. Because of Maoists gone into
Jungle implementation of many projects were hampered by their threats.
Maoist leaders were colelction of Mr. Negatives, Mr. Sarcastic and Mr.
Frustation and they had no positive things in their mind. They were
overrun by some preoccupied theories and ...................what not?
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| manashalu |
Posted
on 09-May-02 07:42 AM
TO siwalik,
I think that you are also one of the brainwashed poeple or diehard supporter of maobadi. how can you justify the barbaric acts of maobadi chopping off heads and breaking legs of oppositions ? how can you justify their act of destroying infrastructure or poor country like nepal? how can you justify looting banks etc. to kill fellow nepalese if there could be many peaceful solutions.
1. After reading your comments, It seems that you were never out of kathmandu valley or you know very little about kathmandu outside nepal. I as a resident of maobadi hotbed say that maobadi came to present state in nepal taking advantage of widespread poverty.illiteracy oppression. Do you think within very short period, poverty and illiteracy can be totally eradicated ? I could be also disagree with DEUBA but in this point I support his view. In remote areas, where more than 80% people are illiterate, it will be very easy to convert their frutration and anger due their poverty into mass rebellion. Of course, they were able to brainwash the mind of poor, unemployed village youth and got the success They have little knowledge to think that to ditctatorship could not be alternative of democracy so to sell dreams to them was very easy.
2. It was the maoist who first declared the "people war" in 2052 falgun 1 gate. they never have intention of solving problems through TALK. TALK was only their strategy to spread their terror across the country. you say govt. was not serious to talk, but can govt. govt. alone republic to them? look at the maobadis.when then deuba was in barta commitee of bhattarai govt., suresh ale and dev gurung(top maobadi leaders) were freed from jail for talk, but after fulfillment of demand,they just accused govt. on some issue and they ran away from barta. later in dinesh sharma case also the same. they never have true intention of solving thru talk because they only believe in BANDUK KO NALBAT SAKHTI NISKANCHHA. democratic process like talk or respect of poeple's opinion are very far from them. when there was talk between them and govt. they were in full preparation of war, talk was just a drama for them. look at their attack of dang barrack(first attack upon the army) can you say that it was without their prepatation??? because I have also know many maobadis of lower level personnally, they ultimate destination is replacement of present system by communist dictatorship, they are ready to sacrifice anything to obtain their goal like exterme islamic fundamentalist. At this point, they can be termed as brainwashed.
3.Mao is great respected leader of china, but why chinese government also labeled them as a terrorist???Nepalese maobadi can be defined as terrorist. there are plenty of proofs. that means not mao is a terrorist.
4.america,britain and european countries wil never support dictatorship of maobadi in nepal as democratically governed countries. in case of china, deng xiao ping under whose economic reform, china has made a tremondous progess is only a 'gaddar'. if you does not believe me you can visit maobadi's web page. so there is a no chanceof support from present chinese govt. if they enter into cultural revolution period, they can support nepali maobadi with their full heart, which is impossible now.
5. yeah in the panchayat period, there was massive oppresion in thwang(village of rolpa ,killa of present maobadis but after restoration of demcracy, they have right to express about their oppresstion.in election samyukta janamorcha spilt in two two groups due to power struggle between leaders and had two janamorchas.lilamani janamorcha(niranjangovinda vaidya) group janamorcha could take part in election but baburam group faction lost their validity in election and due their exterme frustration, they went to rolpa to start "people's war" thru. brainwashing mind of poor and innocent people.
6. maobadi leadership just took advantge of innocent, poor,uneducated and unamployed people. they have the right to be elected and form government winning the election. look at the former panchhas surya bahadur thapa and lokendra, they could become PM under democracy, baburam why not?????????? they just lost the patience and mislead the certain portion of nepali people in the wrong way. If baburam had followed the right the path in spite of present violence, I COULD ALSO VOTE FOR HIM, but he himself rejected the this democratic process. We have already seen CAMBODIA of POLPOT so we can not support somebody to become another POLPOT now.
7.look at the japan and germany they are far ahead of us but they still have corruption problem, It is not strange to have a corruption problem in our country. to control corruption we should have a strict law and its implementation, not like chooping off heads of innocent people in remote villages. but here maobadi leaders are corrupted by themselves, sell land by the money obtained thru looting banks. do you believe maobadi leader could not be corrupted if there is no law and rule against it???????
9. your number 9 is totally pessimistic view.
10. do you think it is right to advocate the terrorist activities of maobadies like killing poeple, looting properties of people, spread terror, any nation has right to control such activities. do you think it is the right to blow away hydrielectri power station? if somebody encourage such activities, what should the govt. do ? journalists are also above rule.
I do not think our politicians do nothing wrong but maobadi are totally responsible for their detructive acts. right of To say something wrong only survive in democracy not in maobadi democracy........
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| manashalu |
Posted
on 09-May-02 07:50 AM
in last, ...... maoist dictatorship, and sorry for no other proofreading
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| other events |
Posted
on 09-May-02 01:03 PM
first, let me say thank you very much to the folks who organized this event and to those who have shared some of what was discussed.
also, if anyone attended the prime minister's visit to the woodrow wilson center or mrs. deuba's visit to the asia foundation or any other such events here in dc, i would appreciate it if you would briefly brief the rest of us on what transpired. thanks again.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 09-May-02 02:53 PM
Well, I see interesting responses based on totally untenable assumptions:
That I am brainwashed by Maoists.
That I have never been outside Kathmandu.
These two assumptions alone allow me to question the quality of response. They cannot but resort to personal attacks and name calling that are not relevant to the issues at hand.
Let me make it clear that I have no political affiliation with any politicians (hence I do not feel compelled to defend any corrupt leader), or political parties (hence I do not have to follow any party's platforms or defend its history). I have never been Akhile or Nebisanghe either. My assertions, observations, comments and opinions are forwarded with the foremost concern for Nepal as a state in an international arena. I do not subscribe to what transpires in the name of politics within Nepal, only to the good of Nepal itself, as I see fit in my capacity as an aspiring political scientist.
To Hahooguru:
1. If it was so easy to brain wash these people why is the government lagging behind? Did the white lies finally wore out? Excuses, excuses! Excuses do not solve problems. Problem solving starts when one learns to take responsibilities for failures.
2. No, Deuba was not serious. A member of his team revealed ( a week or so ago)how there was no strategy for resolution from the government. I did not make it up. Besides, Maoist making India a fool is amusing to me. On the other hand, it is Indians who are benefiting from this politics and using Maoists and the government for their own purposes. You would understand it, if you study India's changed politics--the two most glaring evidence are its change in policy regarding Israel and Taiwan.
3. China saying that they are not Maoist does not cut it. The main idea behind Mao's revolution was to use peasants to up rise instead of labors as in USSR's case. I would say, yes, Moa's strategy is being used. I would consider them Maoists.
4. Compared to India, Nepal's high tech, or skilled manpower is insignificant. You have to place such comparison in a context. India may afford to lose 1000s of its skilled manpower, but can Nepal? I urge you to think seriously. Where do you think someone capable as Ashu and Arnico more valuable? Nepal or USA? Besides, the most important resource of a country in this day and age is its skilled manpower. Nepal is in no position to lose such valuable resources.
5. You skirted this question. But still, it is a lame reasoning to tell us that other governments are against the Maoists. What would you expect?
6. No, you are wrong in your assertion. I have not even read their demands, or visited their websites. Before this strife, I did not even know these leaders were Maoists. And I have no friends who are known to be Maoists. HOPE is the underlying motive for revolution comes from a political theory! And yes, I am a student of political science.
7. Well, I will buy that argument--Maoists initiated the killing. Government retaliations created more Maoists. I read this news where a teacher was killed and his students went to join the rebels. The fact remains, Nepalese are committed to fratricidal war. Deuba's wanting or not wanting is not making any difference! He has to have the vision to stop that, not wish it did not occur.
8. I have to confess here that I hardly know the background of any politicians or party leaders. I know that the widespread feeling is that they are mostly corrupt. Just read the other week of so that one ex-minister actually came forward on his despicable deed. I am not good with names!
9. So how many years are we going to spend just trying to build an infrastructure? My point was that it is fruitless to compare Nepal’s developmental effort with America. It doesn’t cut. There is no comparison.
10. So, you agree that there is no total freedom. Deuba is lying through his teeth when he says, “There is total freedom of speech in Nepal.”
11. I still maintain that the root cause of Maobadi is not Maobadi. It is the developmental failures caused by visionless, self-serving politicians. No politician in the past 200 years has had the influence to change the destiny of Nepal for the better. Now, finally the crow has come home to roost.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 09-May-02 02:54 PM
To manashalu ( I am not from Kathmandu)
You are right. In Nepal there is so much freedom of speech that if you criticize the government, you are automatically branded a diehard Maoist. I totally understand your logic. And your response also demonstrates your inability to see that I have not supported Moaist activities. My whole argument was about the Nepali government’s inability and unwillingness to accept responsibilities for our failure to incorporate more people into mainstream national political currents, if there is any such thing.
1. I have supervised building of bridges and been a part of other developmental projects in Moaist infected areas. They never talked of rebellion when they were employed. So, don’t you assert where you have been or where I might have been. Try to argue with logic not name calling and preposterous assumptions, if you will.
2. Brainwashing is a nice mantra people use, I reckon. It can equally be argued that it is not only the Maoists who are brainwashed. The fact remains, hungry stomach and naked back do not care much for ideology. In the hierarchy of needs those who are striking at the establishment are those who need food, clothes and shelter, and obviously something to hope for not to be “brainwashed” by ideology they have no idea about, and how it has failed elsewhere.
3. I believe Moa’s revolution inspired the Nepalese Maoists. The difference is that he succeeded, so he wrote the history. Panchyat used to be the “mato suhaundo” political system until, multiparty replaced it. So who is a terrorist is who is not depends on time and who is doing the interpretation. Do you think those people whose bodies are lying in ditches half buried, and naked called themselves terrorists? Do the naxalites in India think they are terrorists? Do Talibans or Palestinians?
7. Yes, corruption is everywhere in different degrees. But in the countries you mentioned, they also have governments that provide services, and treat their citizens with respect, instead of dismissing them as “brainwashed”.
9. Why is it pessimistic to opine that a generation is ample enough time to show a marked change in a country’s status? I have seen people argue, without totally understanding the underlying causal factors, how South Korea has managed to develop. I firmly believe that a country can show a distinct change within a generation!
10. Check my answer to number 5. I termed Maoists as “a group who harm innocent civilians and target developmental infrastructure!”
The responses to my challenge to Deuba’s answers prove that we as Nepalese have not come forward to own up to our failure to develop as an equitable society. Our past policies and near-visionness has created a large segment of population who feel marginalized. As a consequence they easily succumb to lures of a better future, no matter how irrational and unachievable it is through the path they are following!
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| manashalu |
Posted
on 09-May-02 04:19 PM
siwalik,
my arguments above was just to justify why the path taken by maobadi is wrong that means not to defend all the mistakes made by the the governments in the past. As far as talking about taliban behaviour and their deeds in the past for which they celebrate victory for a certain period of time as you mentioned above, I am not in position to discuss further with you. Although they can secure their position in the history, I can never defend such activities.
yeah we have to do a lot to strenghten our democracy. we have highest illiteracy rate in the south asia. our power hungry political leaders were always busy in dirty games. I agree that our political leaders are lack of democartic culture. They did nothing to control rampant the rampant the corruption in the past. we ourselves also have to learn a lot to be truly democratic in behaviour. But now I am totally in government side means devastation made by maobadi violence and destruction can not be continued any longer in a poor country like nepal. maobadi must come to mainstream politics leaving all the arms. but maobadi leaders who cashed the country's widespread poverty if they were honest to nepal and nepalese, should not have follow this path but they are unanble to show any visionary plan to uplift the present state of nepal.The political system where people's fundamental rights are secured could create the equitable society, not any dictatorship.
to bring large segment of marginalized people in the mainstream, we should have:
1.political parties with truly democratic culture and good leadership
2.effective mechanism to control corruption.
3. drastic change in working style of present beurocracy.
4.1.good education across the country.
5. Respectable position of every caste, language, culture, religions...
6. .......
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It is really sad that our leaders are lack of enough sincerity, political wisdom and far sighted vision. we as a citizen can choose a better leadership in the future to uplift the country which is only secured in democracy.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 09-May-02 04:46 PM
There is no doubt that autrocities are committed by both sides, and the victims are the helpless people in the middle. Here is an excerpt from TIME:
"Faced with growing opposition within his own party, Deuba gave the army carte blanche to wipe out the Maoists. I spoke to several young girls held prisoner in Nepalgunj jail accused of belonging to the guerrillas' political wing. All told the same story of the police keeping them blindfolded for weeks, sometimes months, beating the soles of their feet with plastic piping, then rubbing chili powder into the wounds. Nor are the security forces above murder. On March 18, a group of 20 policemen arrested five men, including Kanchha Dangol—a carpenter—in Tokha outside Kathmandu. Four days later Dangol's body surfaced at a nearby hospital: he had been beaten, slashed, then shot in the chest and head. The official explanation: Dangol was killed in an "encounter" with the security forces. Deuba appears untroubled by such stories. "We will listen carefully to the complaints and, if there are any mistakes, we will improve," he says. "But maintaining human rights while trying to control terror is not an easy job. The army is not superhuman and is not able to distinguish perfectly who is and who is not a terrorist. Sometimes there will be mistakes."
And the foreign hand is evident from this info:
"The former rebel commander—now hiding out in the capital after deserting in disgust over the new tactics—says the Maoists' strategy is an experiment conducted with the support of left-wing rebel groups across Asia. Three years ago, he says, communist guerrillas from India, Bangladesh and the Philippines met Nepalese counterparts in Kathmandu and resolved to turn the kingdom into a laboratory for various revolutionary game plans.
For complete article:
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501020513-235504,00.html
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| SIWALIK< |
Posted
on 09-May-02 04:54 PM
There is no doubt that autrocities are committed by both sides, and the victims are the helpless people in the middle. Here is an excerpt from TIME:
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 09-May-02 04:54 PM
There is no doubt that autrocities are committed by both sides, and the victims are the helpless people in the middle. Here is an excerpt from TIME:
"Faced with growing opposition within his own party, Deuba gave the army carte blanche to wipe out the Maoists. I spoke to several young girls held prisoner in Nepalgunj jail accused of belonging to the guerrillas' political wing. All told the same story of the police keeping them blindfolded for weeks, sometimes months, beating the soles of their feet with plastic piping, then rubbing chili powder into the wounds. Nor are the security forces above murder. On March 18, a group of 20 policemen arrested five men, including Kanchha Dangol—a carpenter—in Tokha outside Kathmandu. Four days later Dangol's body surfaced at a nearby hospital: he had been beaten, slashed, then shot in the chest and head. The official explanation: Dangol was killed in an "encounter" with the security forces. Deuba appears untroubled by such stories. "We will listen carefully to the complaints and, if there are any mistakes, we will improve," he says. "But maintaining human rights while trying to control terror is not an easy job. The army is not superhuman and is not able to distinguish perfectly who is and who is not a terrorist. Sometimes there will be mistakes."
And the foreign hand is evident from this info:
"The former rebel commander—now hiding out in the capital after deserting in disgust over the new tactics—says the Maoists' strategy is an experiment conducted with the support of left-wing rebel groups across Asia. Three years ago, he says, communist guerrillas from India, Bangladesh and the Philippines met Nepalese counterparts in Kathmandu and resolved to turn the kingdom into a laboratory for various revolutionary game plans.
For complete article:
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501020513-235504,00.html
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Posted
on 09-May-02 05:16 PM
about above posting, It has no intention to blame that you are also brainwashed by maoist, but what i talked in no. 1 was just based on my personnel experince that why people became maoist in many places like my home village where I spent my whole early yeary life.
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