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| Nepali Kta |
Posted
on 09-May-02 02:53 PM
"An email message sent by Maoist leader Prachanda Thursday proposed a unilateral one-month ceasefire effective Wednesday, 15 May. Although the message does not bear a signature, human rights groups say it is authentic.
The statement speaks against the United States, say that the US wants to encircle China and weaken India and that it is trying to turn Nepal into another Vietnam.
Prachanda says his group is willing to join other parliamentary parties in the future. He strongly states that if the government continues its suppression during the ceasefire, there will be a costly, terrible war.
The unilateral ceasefire offer comes 17 days before the present state of emergency is due to expire. There has been no immediate reaction from the government." (NepalNews.com, May 9, 2002)
I think Maoist leaders are afarid of this whole RNA operation and this is a bullshit, they are trying to pull on Nepali people. I don't think Maoist are to be trusted because they have proved to us that they not wort trusting after the breaking of the peace talk last year.
Beside that why do they care what the United States do to Nepal, they are the reason why Deuba had to goto the US and ask for help. Maoists are like parasite, they were born in Nepal and now they are eating our country, I can't wait to see these people hanged.
I would really like to hear your comments.
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| Thapa Ji |
Posted
on 09-May-02 04:17 PM
This is just another scam. Maoists are trying to buy more time.. They are not trust worthy at all.
Keep up the good work RNA.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-May-02 06:55 PM
100 cheers to Deoba for rejecting the Maoists offer to cease fire.
I remember when I was in AIT in 1989, my Sri Lankan Sinhalese
friends had a grand party when Tamil Tiger announced ceasefire,
with the hope of end of fighting. Their party ko majja did not last
even a week when cease fire was broken again. Some time Back
BRB wrote in somenewspapers (TKP?) that it is their strategy that
they offer ceasefire when situations are not favorable and move
with arms when its favorable. The ariticle wrote that its the things
suggested by Mao, and this way their opponents will get weaken.
Its tactics as explained by BRB himself. So, they should not be
trusted. This drama is just to make the May 15th deadline of emergency
extension and put all parties in confusion, esepcially, the Girija
gang will try to misuse this chance for their power gain. But,
Maoists should be dammned. No way to accept cease fire as long
as they don't return the arms looted from RNA.
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| Shanti |
Posted
on 09-May-02 07:12 PM
Hi all,
If we think that we desperately need a revolution in Nepal to built the nation as people want, we have to think of the possible ways to make it work.
The ongoing war is to bring a radical change in the nation. I am sure that it harms all the Nepalese for time being.
There isnot 100% sure that RNA can win the war easily because of their frequent assults against RNA.
The foreign help to fight againt rebels certainly brings the spirite of RNA up, but it is not only a possible way to end this war. I strongly say that this war must end as soon as possible.
The main thing that we have to think now is how to use the stregnth of the rebels for building up nation. The rebels are a bunch of force that can contribute on nation building. Why don't we look for that?
just a thought........
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-May-02 07:34 PM
What is surprising in this CEASE FIRE propaganda is that why they
selected May 15, not from immediately after the his announcements.
He is trying to confuse peoples. Thats why it should be rejected.
RNA must keep on moving, as Paschim said, War continues, and
talk can be held, but, STOPPING ARMY OPERATION is not a good
way, so they must continue and TALK can be held. If Maoists
again start their killing sprees, it will be difficult for govt. to
restart, because it has to fulfill many formalities before starting
operation, and its not like Maoists "OK GO and kill the peoples
who disagree with Masoits". Its government, it has certain
rules, and it can not stop so fast and resume so fast like
Maoists. Maoists have no rule, except, GO AND KILL anyone
who obstructs them. That should be understood by the peoples.
They have to look what can happen after this drama. Last time
when CEASE FIRE was there, how Maoists spread their terror
of extorting money, and BRB justified that they only stopped
FIRE, but, money extortion will continue, and he wrote that
they did not have complete CEASE of their extreme activities ie.
terrorism (money extortion) against peoples . So, this ceasefire
does not outline what level of ceasefire is this?
HG
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| U2 |
Posted
on 09-May-02 08:39 PM
The call for ceasefire shows that Maoists are cornered ! They are despererate to save some of their last holdings! They know that otherwise they will be wiped out soon!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-May-02 09:33 PM
KOL letter to the editor section had following message for us:
Lisne Lek operation
This refers to a series of news stories carried by TKP about the ongoing Lisne Lek operation.
Your newspaper reported that over 450 rebels have been gunned down in the operation so far claiming that the final toll could reach as high as 500. The security personnel surrounded some hardcore Maoist leaders, including Krishna Bahadur Mahara. Unfortunately, a few of them managed to escape. The security personnel have also found traces of slaughtered buffaloes, cows and utensils used by the rebels. This operation has boosted the army’s morale, and hopefully the army will remain active in flushing out the rebels from the remote and mountainous regions.
However, the killings of innocent people or attacks on the security personnel by the Maoists may not come to an end as long as the rebels operate from India. I mean it has become easy for the rebels to hit and run due to the open border between Nepal and India. And my reading says that there are some people in India who directly support the Maoist movement in Nepal. So this fight may last more than a decade.
What is necessary then ? We have set up an intelligent cell, but have failed to explore the relations between the Maoists and the people who support them from across the southern border. The government should be prepared to hire people to eliminate the Maoists even if they are in India. This is how the secret agency of any country works. I am sure it is not difficult to eliminate Babu Ram Bhattarai or Prachnada sitting in Kathmandu. The only thing we need is to hire people and arm them to eliminate the rebels.
Man Bahadur Gurung
Pokhara
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| HG |
Posted
on 10-May-02 06:09 AM
Hotline news: Ceasefire hoax, says second email
An email sent to various media in Kathmandu said Friday that an emailed statement by Maoist leader Prachanda was a hoax. Both emails came from the same email address.
The writer, who identifies himself only as "Bikram" says in the second note written in Roman Nepali that he deliberately sent the hoax so that the media and the Maoists would both learn a lesson.
He said journalists needed to verify their sources before going public with purported statements, and the Maoists had to be more careful about signing and authenticating their pronouncements via email or fax.
The ceasefire call came at a time when human rights organisations had been trying to convince the Maoist leadership that they had to show a gesture if they wanted to resume talks, since the government would not trust them after they unilaterally broke the last truce in November. nepalnews.com kd May 10
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 10-May-02 06:31 AM
Ceasefire declared by Maoists : Nepalnews.com
It had the following sentence to believe that it was authentic:
Although the message does not bear a signature, human rights groups say it is authentic.
Few things on this HOAX issue:
1. Maoists were testing government's interest on talk by sending
emails and when they came to know the stance of Deoba, they, declared
it as HOAX.
2. Interesting thing is the Human rights group are now in trouble. They
were claiming that the declaration was authentic. Wow, its great
indeed. Nepali Human Rights have to defend their earlier claim.
But, they (human rightitsts ) don't have ethics and moral, so they
will claim that they did not claim it was authentic. They were
investigating.
3. The last sentence is "The email has been sent through the same channels as previous messages.". Why were Maoists silent when the first mail was
reported a few days back, because it came through same channel. So,
Maoists were sending (or have asked or planned to make fun and tests)
the emails and finally, when their test failed, they asked the email owner
to send it as HOAX. Wwow, now they are proving themselves untrustful.
Now, Govt. has more reasons to continue the Emergency. Maoists
supporter so called Human rightists in mask, are in greater trouble, because
now the FAX or emails are no more verifiable. So, verification is now
getting trouble and its good news for government too. Deoba jyu, its
good that peoples on your side are increasing.
4. Now, its anther HRITIK ROSHAN equivalent HOAX run by Maoists, they
were successful in earlier case, but, in this case no one will believe them.
This HOAX was not really HOAX, but, they are claiming it as HOAX to
continue their terror campaign. I was also surprised why they chose
May 15th, but, not immediately afater the announcement, I raised this
thing this morning after reading the news.
5. If it was really HOAX, why Maoists were silent for 2-3days when previous
mail came, and after 2nd email arrived to us via email, its 24hours, and
deoba spoke from USA, but, why Maoists are silent? If it was not their email,
if this propaganda or game was not played by Maoists themselves.
So, from all these discussion, I want to say that the email was not HOAX,
but, tried to prove it as HOAX to save themselves. Govt. has done nothing
wrong, because MAoists did not deny if it was not really from them. Question
lies here why were they silent for more than 24 hours?
HG
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Ceasefire declared by Maoists
An email message sent by Maoist leader Prachanda Thursday proposed a unilateral one-month ceasefire effective Wednesday, 15 May. Although the message does not bear a signature, human rights groups say it is authentic.
The statement speaks against the United States, say that the US wants to encircle China and weaken India and that it is trying to turn Nepal into another Vietnam.
Prachanda says his group is willing to join other parliamentary parties in the future. He strongly states that if the government continues its suppression during the ceasefire, there will be a costly, terrible war.
The unilateral ceasefire offer comes 17 days before the present state of emergency is due to expire. There has been no immediate reaction from the government.
The email has been sent through the same channels as previous messages. nepalnews.com kd May 9
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 10-May-02 06:53 AM
One more reason why the emails were not HOAX:
The writing style is exactly of Maoists. The flow of the contents
is USA lai gali garnu, China lai ali ali chhunu, and Indian lai
positively line koshish garnu. If it was HOAX, the cease fire
should have started immediately, they kept this time to test
whether government will accept it or not, and they have
preplanned that if govt. is not willing to accept their offer,
they were planning to make it HOAX. Now the email looks nowhere
fabricated and HOAX,, neither in language nor contents nor in flow,
nor the silence for 24hours allows it be HOAX.
JAL-SAJI garne champion bhako kura bhan satya ho. Bhaiya ko
deshma basera kaam garne le tyati pani nasikun ta. haina.
HG
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| ananta |
Posted
on 10-May-02 07:01 AM
Hahooguruj,
when all the medias were saying that maoist call for ceasefire and they said The email has been sent through the same channels, I was suspicoius to the authenticity of that statement
After reading this news, I visited the maoist website "http://www.humanrights.de/n/nepal/ ", but I could not find any kind of such press statement. In this website, we can find all of their press statements released by them, but the latest one about ceasefire is not there.
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What's New
The press statement of the CPN (M)
On the reference of Bush-Deuba summit
We have given the statement of International department of the CPN (Maoist) which we recieve through the email and posted as it is. The statement is come out when the Prime minister Deuba is visiting US President Bush with agenda to reppress the popular movement where millions of masses are participating. The government is launching the genocide and crime against humanity in the name of emergency. More.....
MAOIST INFORMATION BULLETIN – 3 BULLETIN - 1
[Occasional Information Bulletin of Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)]
The 5-day "Nepal bandh" is called April 23-27, 2002 (Baishakh 10-14, 2059), Chairman Prachanda’s Statement on Current Political Situation
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So I was thinking at that time that it could be the hoax because it does not contain any signature also. Many persons can draft such statements. My personnel ethics does not permit me to spread such kind of hoaxs otherwise I could draft also. Here question arises in the future about such kind of email press statements.
Look at the past, our medias has wrote about Many nepal badhas and other example is HRITIK ROSHAN KANDA due to which our country has to pay a heavy price.
So I would like to suggest our medias to be clear about the authenticity of such statements in the future.
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| ananta |
Posted
on 10-May-02 07:14 AM
once again about hoax from news,
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters05-09-153450.asp?reg=ASIA
.......However, a political analyst in Kathmandu, who closely follows leftist and Maoist movements in Nepal cast doubt on the authenticity of the email.
''I have learned from reliable sources that the Maoist party has not sent any statement about a ceasefire so far,'' Shyam Shrestha, also editor of Nepali monthly news magazine Mullyankan, told Reuters. ........
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 10-May-02 07:50 AM
It was preplanned things. If it was not from them, why
they did not denounce it? for 24hours, when Deoba could
speak from USA? But, what made them wait so long?
why did not they denounce through their own website?
Its because they were testing ? When government did
not give any weight to their ceasefire, then, they run
another claiming it as HOAX, as planned. So, lets not get
confused. Now, we will see this claim at their website.
They will even say, that the guy BIKRAM was govt.
spy and he did it to BADNAM maoists, and they will run
this news. After all Kulo ra Kuro jata lage pani jancha, and
for this reason they did not use their website. It should
be clear to all of us. Why 24 hours? wiithout notice, when
world's leading news media are circulating the news ....
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| ananta |
Posted
on 10-May-02 08:19 AM
It could be also possible that it is just a clever tactics taken by them. All knows that they are very "mahir" to make propoganda. In sukarno period of Indonesia, maoist used the same formula which our maoists are using to take advantage of every situaion. Government and political parties should, of course, be very careful to their tactics.
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| ananta |
Posted
on 10-May-02 08:57 AM
Again about ceaefire,
NEW DELHI, May 10 ? A senior leader of Nepal's Maoist rebels has denied a report that the guerrilla group announced plans for a one-month ceasefire, the BBC reported on Friday.
The BBC's Hindi-language service quoted Dina Nath Sharma, who sits on the Maoist's top decision-making committee, as calling the report of the ceasefire ''a conspiracy hatched by the Nepali government to confuse the struggling masses.''
Now
Let's see, how will our so called human rightist will comment ???
From where that email was sent ?
Could not "bikram" named person be another maobadi leader ??
It appears to me that "bikram" named maobadi leader name was found somewhere in newspaper.
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| eye on the ball |
Posted
on 10-May-02 09:02 AM
i think it is largely irrelevant whether this was a hoax. what is more important is the IDEA of a ceasefire at this point in time. i mean, if the IDEA had be proposed to deuba at the baptist church in virginia on may 8th (before this alleged ceasefire arose), do you really think that his response would have been any different? i do not.
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| ananta |
Posted
on 10-May-02 10:23 AM
Some more questions,
How top maoist leader who is warranted list of nepal police can easily give interview to Hindi BBC service ?
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Is it not india's responsiblity to handle them as a supportor of nepali government's military action against maobadi terrorist ??The Maoist leaderships have got a safe shelter in India and directing their activists to carry-out violence, destroy of development infrastructures as per the instruction they receive from the Indian establishment.
When they destroyed key projects such as irrigation, hydropower, health centers, it is clear that their efforts are to destroy infrastructures, to hit Nepal's economy and to please India
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Is the above assumption is true ???
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According to Kumud Lohani, a NC activist, India is the mother of the Maoists.
The Indian design is to kill all the mountain people and replace her own citizens into Nepal after the successful bloodbath of ethnic Nepalis, said Lohani.
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is india is really playing double role ???
If so, what could be the consequence ???
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 10-May-02 11:55 AM
My few cents:
As far as I know, India has always been directly or indirectly behind all political movements in Nepal. It is a good time to think about their motive!
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| ananta |
Posted
on 11-May-02 06:20 AM
It could be maoist hoax also, why ??????
Previous maoist press statement were also sent through the same channel, maoist close human rightist believe it. previous nepal bandha, their success of attack in different police post in the past related statement also cam from th same channel.Our human right activist who are the channel between government and maoist even went on relay hunger strike in bhadrakali and gave pressure on government side to accept of maoist ceasefire and start talk with maoist.
Within two days after the release of email press statement, there was no response from about the authenticity of the statement even nepali, indian and other world media has widespready mentioned about it.
Maoist leader Dinanath sharma told that this email is government propoganda, but PRACHANDA is silent even after four days although it was said that he will release new statement of denying ceasefire(until late friday 12.00 pm).
So, we can come to the conclusion that
it is the hoax spread by maoist to confuse government
or
They want to know government's intention about 'BARTA' in the present time context.
or
They want to take advantage of internal power struggle within nepali congress and different political thinkings of political parties. Adopt " bhed niti" and "futau ra raj gara" to win their 'people's war'
or
They want to buy time for another attack of dang, achham or solu.
or
There is a fierce power struggle between maoist leader.
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| kalanki-paani-tanki |
Posted
on 11-May-02 06:46 AM
i think all mao's are dhotis, thats why they are killing all nepalese. If they were Nepalese they would rather be killin' Dhoties. Any party or whatever wanna win the heart of the people, they don't have to kill nepali and plant the seed of fear. They just have to killl indians and all those "paanwala" dhoti nepali politicians
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| ananta |
Posted
on 11-May-02 08:59 AM
FROM BBC news,
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In Nepal, confusion over reports of a cease-fire offered by Maoist rebels has deepened.
The Chairman of the underground Maoist Communist Party (MCP), Prachanda, has reportedly disowned an earlier statement in which he was said to have announced a unilateral cease-fire beginning next Wednesday.
But a leading Nepali language newspaper has quoted him, in what it says is his fresh statement, as saying that the rebels are still ready for a cease-fire.
Mr Prachanda's denial came a day after similar comments by another senior rebel leader who ruled out a cease-fire because, he said, the rebels were winning in the conflict with security forces.
The Nepal Samacharpatra newspaper said on Saturday that the rebel leader had described Thursday's announcement of a unilateral cease-fire as totally false and fictitious.
Confusing denial
In an interview with the BBC Hindi service on Friday, MCP politburo member Dinanath Sharma described the reported truce offer from the rebels as a conspiracy hatched by the Nepalese Government.
But in his most recent statement, the top Maoist leader, Prachanda, has not ruled out a cease-fire.
The newspaper quoted him as saying that the rebels were ready for dialogue and, if necessary, for a cease-fire too.
Following the denial of his purported statement allegedly made earlier, which had been e-mailed to some Nepalese newspapers on Thursday, the authenticity of Mr Prachanda's fresh statement too is now open to question.
In the past, too, the rebels often faxed or e-mailed their statements to media organisations.
But this is the first time in six years of the Maoist insurgency that they have issued a denial.
The reason behind this is not clear. Some say the rebels suspect a conspiracy.
Others say a rift may have developed in the rebel ranks, who have been fighting to replace the constitutional monarchy with a Communist republic.
Whatever the truth, the latest incident is certain to further erode the Maoists' credibility, and dim the prospects of an early resumption of peace talks to end the bloody insurgency.
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So what would be about the credibility of past statements released by maoists and the statements will be released in the future ????
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| nepli |
Posted
on 11-May-02 09:49 AM
I agree with Shanti about how to use the strength of the rebels for building up nation. Hahoo Jee, you said that the RNA should continue the war??? Have you ever been to a war?? Are you gonna be one of the RNA personnel and fight the 'war against terrorism' in nepal? Probably not huh, but you strongly support it, WHY? because you are not a part of it.? We sit somewhere in a nice warm room with all these comforts and talk about war. But we can never realize how intense it is. Death is irrevocable and I strongly disagree with that what you said. Have you seen death? We are fighting against each other, we all have the same nepali blood, its just the difference in our thinking. Do you think the Maoist's wants to die too? I don't support what they are doing but hey, no one was there when they were in trouble too?? The cops and the soldiers raped, tortured a lot of people. Were we there to voice them then? All these netas, do they even value life anymore??? They don't seem to understand how each persons life is and how God has created each of us to love.Well whatever~!
It would be so great if the rebels could also be a part of the country and not a terrorist. They could have contributed a lot to our country without holding guns.Like Shanti said, " The rebels are a bunch of force that can contribute on nation building. Why don't we look for that?"
God BLess Nepal
-Nepali
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| socketbomb |
Posted
on 11-May-02 10:25 AM
well said folks, maoists are the bunch of patriotic chaps misled by some over ambitious bugers whose ultimate aim is nothing but to ruin the whole nation.
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 11-May-02 11:02 AM
There is another side of the hardcore guerillas. Once brain washed these people are good for killing purposes only. You can look at the efforts the different groups have put to bring the guerrillas to the main stream had always failed. The example is India, Philippines, Somalia and othe nations.
It will be wonderful if the hardcore guerillas were used for development of the nation. This is only a wishful thinking, nothing more.
All the kids that are being recruited or forcefully recruited by maobadis are going to be hardcore guerrillas. I am sorry to say that I do not believe that these guerillas can be retrained to the betterment of the nation.
Very Sad thought!
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