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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted
on 09-May-02 11:43 PM
I want to lead the discussions on this board from what is good and bad in Nepal to ... it does not matter, regardless we have to protect it sort of a tone.
Many threads have been started blaming this group and that group for the ills facing Nepal. These threads are counter productive. I know it is freedom of expression but when it become a "hate" propaganda it is the moral responsibility of the host to curtail it and say "please do not speak so to my other guests at this site"... it is within the realm of the freedom of speech for the host of this site to make such statement and set such standards.
Having said that let me appeal to the leaders (at least it seems that they are) of this board, people like Ashu, Paschim, Biswo, and company, to help me in discuss and brainstorm at this site to find solutions for Nepal.
Let me get it started by saying that the first four steps (General Steps) are :
1) Complete destruction of the Maoists infrastructures and support pipelines. We might need the co-operations of other countries on this. India needs to guard its border better and take responsibilities with the Maoists leaders such as BRB and PKD that have made India their base.
2) This we need to do internally. We should form something of a TRUTH commissions (like they have in Peru) to reconcile the populations and different groups in Nepal.
3) We need to absolutely make complete commitment to the rule of law. We have to get away from the idea that because I am the supreme court justice the laws don't apply to me or because I am the Prime Minister of the country the laws don't apply to me...we have to build a society where laws apply equally to everyone.
4) Economic reforms.
Leaders go at it and let's try to draw up a plan. Once we have this plan I will forward it to 5 places and all the news outlets in Nepal and abroad. the five places are:
1) The Royal palace
2) The Prime Ministers office
3) Nepal's mission in the United Nations
4) Nepal's Embassy in Washington
5) Nepal's supreme court
Other parties can read it in the news.
Your assistance is greatly appreciate by this deeply wounded Nepali Chora.
Always
Bilbo
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| NEPBABU |
Posted
on 10-May-02 08:59 AM
[[[[[ GREAT JOB, KEEP IT UP. WE ARE THERE FOR YOU ]]]]
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-May-02 10:02 AM
>1) Complete destruction of the Maoists infrastructures and support pipelines. We
> might need the co-operations of other countries on this. India needs to guard its
> border better and take responsibilities with the Maoists leaders such as BRB and
> PKD that have made India their base
Bilboji:
You have made very passionate appeal. But as you know, politics is not wishful
thinking. Re India, for example, do you believe they are gonna regulate the
border? Don't you think we have already for countless times implored to them for
cooperation?
I was particularly surprised that when the Indian police arrested couple of
wounded terrorists in Lucknow, the Nursing home owners there opposed this.
It turned out that their main source of income were these wounded terrorists.
They looted and extorted money in Nepal, and siphoned that money off to the
arm dealers of Bihari outlaw world and Lucknow medical world. Now, corrupt
police officers of UP and Bihar have stopped their so called monitoring of
Nepali terrorists.
As long as UP and Bihar remains the way it is, perilous and anarchaic tract, we
can do little but to patrol our own border vigilantly,and think wishfully that Indians
were little bit more organized.
>2) This we need to do internally. We should form something of a TRUTH
>commissions (like they have in Peru) to reconcile the populations and different
>groups in Nepal
This thing I definitely agree.
People like Achyut Kharel should be investigated for their role in cruel mass
homicide and rape of Maoist sympathizers in Rolpa/Rukum etc during Kiloshera 2.
It hurt Nepal a lot. The way the Kiloshera2 operation was done was a blunder.
We didn't want the operation that way. Our constitution didn't authorize Achyut
to take law in his hands.
I will be glad to see Baburam and Achyut Kharel together behind bar in Bhadragol
jail. They both betrayed us.And so is there need to put a lot of Congressi leaders
and a few UML leaders behind bars.
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| katmandude |
Posted
on 10-May-02 10:41 AM
There are so many discussions in this board about what we can do for Nepal that I could not help point out the futility of such discussions unless we actually take some actions.
Discusions are all fine and dandy for a while but after a while they all start sounding like "biralo ko ghateen ma ghanti" story no matter how well intentioned, deep and thoughtful they are, so this is what I propose.
Those of us who are outside Nepal, say in U.S., UK, Japan, or wherever we are, let us start going back to Nepal in batches in next 5 to 6 years so that we can actually make some hands on contribution to our country.
Let us take pay cuts; let's sacrifice a few thousands dollars, yen, pounds or whetever currency our paycheck gets deposited in our banks. Can we do that?
I say in batches because otherwise there might be too much chaos. People who are used to working in western or american corporate cultures trying to impose their own values on fellow employees unfairly and inconsideratly.
Maybe those of us who are experts in public services, management, government or similar fields could go back first and improve the way things are down right now. This would pave the way for other experts in technical, agricultural, educational fields.
Then the next batch will go back which will contain, as I mentioned earlier, experts in technical, agricultral and educational fields.
I strongly believe that we must improve our management skills at the highest level before technical experts in different fields can make a menaningful difference.
But the bottomline is can WE those of us (Nepalese) outside Nepal make actual sacrifices? Sure we can keep proposing plans here....on and on but can we put our foot where our mouth is?
I strongly believe that it will have a very little impact if only or two of us did this. We have to do this cumulatively. We have to do this as a group, a community.
Let us not just take a ONE WAY ticket to the west or the Far East or Down Under.
How many of us are willing to take up this challenge?
K'dude....
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| ananta |
Posted
on 10-May-02 11:26 AM
Of course, there could be meaningful difference !
In public service of nepal it is said there there are 25,000 fake certificatwallas(Biharbat certificate kineko ke, even in secretary level) if they are replaced by qualified persons, effective and efficient governance can be provided to the common people, No questions !!!!
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 14-May-02 09:55 AM
Bilbo Baggins, sorry for ignoring this thread earlier. Looking at the title, I thought this was “wildlife and environment” related – hardly an area of my knowledge!
Well, I warmly laud your genuine concerns. It is like-minded folks like us who care deeply about our country’s fate who should be join hands. At this stage, the most most of us can do is really brainstorm and debate from all angles the predicaments of our nation and humbly consider possible solutions. In the interest of time and to avoid duplicity, I invite you to share your thoughts on some already rich and active threads on topics you mention.
Personally though I tend to hesitate prescribing solutions to others. I am comfortable stating my thoughts and opinions that others may or may not pick up, but to seek to prescribe plans and solutions to others smacks of a centrally-planned, holier-than-thou, command-type decision making process under Stalin’s Soviet Union! In a democracy there are proper places for debates and ways for those to be channeled to the appropriate places to inform policy choices. Citizen voice (such as on this forum) can influence those policy choices. But I’d hesitate to claim any moral or intellectual ascendancy in making those suggestions from an external location radically divorced from the national policy lacunae.
Having said this, your idea of sending ideas for economic reform, not ready-made plans, is sound. My list of beneficiaries would however be slightly different: the PM’s office, Cabinet Secretariat, Parliament, all MPs, finance and other “core” ministries, all national political party headquarters, all DDC Chairmen. I wouldn’t give any priority at all to the Royal Palace, to the Supreme Court, I’d send suggestions on legal reforms, not economic, and I’d ignore the UN/US embassies as they are just 1 of the 25 or so foreign outposts of 1 of the 25 or so ministries of 1 of the 3 branches of government. They are mere messengers, not policy actors.
I was moved by your plea and genuine concern for Nepal’s worsening woes. Do join us on some of the other threads. While I may not be able to participate in the discussions rest of this month because of professional commitments, it’ll be great to read your thoughts when I get a chance. And welcome to Sajha.com too – haven’t seen you around before!
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 14-May-02 11:20 AM
It is indeed a wonderful thought. This forum provides such an opportunity.
IMHO providing management and technical expertise will be the first step. I see a tremendous amount of work to be done for forming ideas and conveying the ideas to the decision makers. Just sending the ideas without the effort to relay the ideas to the leaders will have little effect. I see another effort to actually communicate the ideas to the decision makers.
There should be dual effort first in formulating the ideas and second conveying the ideas, lobbying for it, is where I see the majority of the foot work. It will add, "sun ma sugandha" if at all possible.
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted
on 21-May-02 12:59 PM
First of all I’d like to thank all those who replied to this thread. I think we have some great ideas and suggestions. However we need more.
Should we include some plans for social changes in Nepal? This includes that we even modify the language a bit. For example, as an accountant of a company why do we have to say SIR to everyone who is higher in a hierarchy than us? I think that is the basis of our class system. What do you guys think of mandating the civil servants in Nepal that they must use “tapain” to address everyone?
This will include police, doctors, judges, … everyone. This way at least the language is that of equality. Everyone is equal as far as language is concerned.
I am just throwing ideas out!
Bilbo
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| bagmati1 |
Posted
on 21-May-02 07:10 PM
Bilbo, it's good idea and your thread is action-oriented. I read news in kantipur daily that in jhapa district students being taught to use polite form of their names while calling them. Teachers are also directed to use " tapai" towards students. It can elevate confidence and politeness among students. after following this ruleTeacher told that there is more politeness among them. Now can not hear words like 'rame' for ram, 'kisne' for krishna etc. If we follow this, it may help us to be more cultured and can bring more sense of equality among us.
In english, to all people, "you" is used. but in our language, we have 'ta, timi, tapain, hajur". We always use "ta or timi" to call oppressed castes. Isn't it SAMNTI tradition ?'
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted
on 23-May-02 11:17 AM
Since our's is the country where Buddha was born and from where Buddisim was sent to florish in Tibet and China, maybe we should look to Buddha's teachings to come out of this current mess.
Please comment on these for establishing good valid policies (social, fiscal, and political) for establishing a caring and example society in Nepal. I know it is an ambitious undertaking but we have to take small steps.
1)Suffering is universal and inevitable.
2)Immediate cause of suffering is desire, however the ultimate cause of suffering is ignorance concerning the true nature of reality.
3)Humanity. There is a way to dispel ignorance and relative suffering
4) Forth nobel truth in the form of the Eightfold path: According to the Buddha, the Eightfold path is the means to achieve liberation from suffering. Specifically, this path includes:
1.Right View
2.Right Thought
3.Right Speech
4.Right Action
5.Right Livelihood
6.Right Effort
7.Right Mindfulness
8.Right Concentration.
Bilbo
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| Voodoo Nut |
Posted
on 23-May-02 11:25 AM
In this current state, more important that buddhist philosophy which is good to sustain a good system, we need to look at the hindu system of "sham daam danda ved"
In other words, the LAW needs to be strenghtened. Noone should be able to bypass the law. Then only we can expect to see any form of peace and order.
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| Voodoo Nut |
Posted
on 23-May-02 11:31 AM
The law cannot be strong when the government is weak. What we need is a strong government. We've all seen the current parties who bicker among each other, and whose main focus is power and amassing personal property once they get in the government.
We need a new political party that has a new outlook for Nepal's development. The politics in Nepal sucks and Nepal seriously needs a new political party with a different mindset than the ones who have been raping our motherland for the past however many years.
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| MatribhumiNepal |
Posted
on 23-May-02 03:58 PM
Bilbo, I am excited about your proposal in the mean time I know that anything done in bigger scale will never leave ground, especially the way we Nepalese are (someone in the thread already eluded to this).
But, I beleive in Micro development and immediate action, and each one of us on our own can make a difference! Go to Nepal do something quick and spread the news.
For example: Go to Nepal as a TOKTEN consultan in any field (field of your expertise) and post in GBNC.ORG what you did.
Totken is great way to serve our Matribhumi while serving ourselves as an expatriate.
Transfer of Knowledge Trhough Expatriate Nationals (TOKTEN) is fully funded by UNDP and pays for consultants travel and daily expenditures (last time I went it was $128.00 per day in Kathmandu) for a period of 3 months in our life time. By being little innovative you can break it for three one months chunk. Also remember that the money does not come out of any money given to Nepal in other projects. It is a pool of money set aside to certain countries combined.
I find this is the best solution to go to Nepal and make a quick difference while we don't have to committ to permanently settling in Nepal to make bigger impact.
Interestingly there is no quota or set budget for this, that way, all of us who qualify can go. Unfortunately not many people know about it because who go their keep it to themselves thinking they will be deprived of going next time, or what ever they think, I am not sure....
I find this is especially good for Nepalese professors who can go to Nepal for long summer vaccation. But, professionals like us can go to. There is special need right now for IT professional, Economists, Professors, Medical Doctors, Agronomist.
All you should do is ask any organization private or public in Nepal to ask for TOKTEN consultant in UNDP office in Kathmandu, and you send an application to UNDP too. Requirements are not difficult, if anybody is interested I can give you insights.
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| Bilbo Baggins |
Posted
on 20-Jun-02 11:50 AM
Does the posting below have any "realism" in it? It does have some valid points so I did the "cut" and "Paste" and brought it to the discussion here... so we can add to it. I have been quietly following the developments in Sajha in various discussions and a lot of people have a lot of great ideas... keep it coming all of you patriotic Nepalis around the world...
Thanks
Jaye Nepal
Bilbo
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To Nepalese from God
ID: 80614408
IF you study deeply and truly about Nepal's social, political, economical, constitutional, Law, history, The
best choice might be an " Intellectual Dictator ".
We must need a dictator who has intelligence "Education" to understand Nepal's social, political, economical,
constitutional, Law and other problems.
We must fix the root cause of problem, then other can be fix gradually.... and might be automatically....
We must need an Intelligence Dictator because of:
Nepal has lots of problem not only 1 or 2 or 3 ..... so many areas but there are main problems of the
problems……
(1) Bad moral, social/cultural and political practice: Nepalese society has the worst unethical cultures or
bad social and political practices which transformed as an inheritance to each Nepalese.
If you sit back for a moment and think deeply, you will find mostly nobody has positive thinking or good
manners toward Nepal. They pretends they that they are doing something for society or Nepal, You can easily
find something they are doing for their own benefit in background.
You can find 1 good Nepali, among 1 million bad Nepalese. And that 1 good person will force to live like a
stupid, humiliate, isolate and harass from 1 million bad Nepalese.
If one did something good positive things or activity, instead of praise, another person has to do someway
something against him or her. Because one person's a good activity or action can not pleased for another.
That obviously refer to and define itself why Nepal behind in rest of the world. This is nothing wrong with
geography of Nepal, the main problem is the "Nepalese people."
(2) Constitution less, Lawless and justice less country: These elements must be above everybody. These
elements are the most important backbone of any country otherwise you can not defined as a country. In the
context of Nepal, it is just junk words or sentences of books. But these elements only implement those who
are poor or lower class person or families. It does not work for all people in Nepal.
Constitution, Law and Justice system must act:
(1) All Nepalese must be below the constitution and Law.
(2) Constitution and Law must be based on scientific, modern and reality.
(3) Must define what is one's right, privilege, safety, security and protection.
(4) Must define what is legal, illegal on each and every single matters.
(5) Must define what is crime and punishment.
(6) Must define value of time, life, nationality and action or work.
(7) Must have capital punishment system if one did higher degree crime.
(8) Must have systems of chance to pay back or turning point of one's mistake, or for reasonable crime.
(9) Must have systems of support, encouragement, promotion, recognition, treatment/rehabilitation, demotion,
punishment, evaluation, right and equal justice for all and every level.
Note: If these main two things will not fix within Nepalese and Nepal, Nepal might be worse and worse in
coming generation. Because, if people's mental collapse then they act bad activities, then even God from
heaven can not do nothing. God will be helpless in that point because he will be only one good person.
Messenger from heaven
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