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| Sujata |
Posted
on 10-May-02 11:11 AM
I just surprise to see Newa organization.....Can not we integrated toghether into Nepali organization.....?? Is it really wise to have ....Newa organization...Rai organization......Bahun organization.....Chhetri organization.....Does not it show that people have at least some communal feeling somewhere deep at their heart ...?? After all we are Nepali....why we need Newa organization or Pasa Puchha Amerikaya organization (?)....etc etc. I believe these things showed our weekness and our ego. As being Nepalese, I think, we should have respect and love to all brother and sister. I think we all are the SANTAN of mother Nepal and we should be wise enough at least to disregard the caste system and communal feeling in this modern age.
Just a thought and not to hurt anyones feeling
Sujata Sharma
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| Shanti |
Posted
on 10-May-02 11:26 AM
Absolutely, we are all SANTAN of Nepal and we should unitedly present as Nepali and Nepal. However side by side we also need to preserve our rich Nepali culture, tradition and languages.
Nepal is such a small country but have more than 40 dialectics and languages, so does the cultures.
I support all these Organixations like New Pasa puch, Rai Org or any other org. as long as they just work on preserving the culture, tradition and language. The main problem within us is we do like to criticise others, show other community's bad stuff rather doing good in their org. to prove better than others. One org., or community or person always try to beat other person by doing himself outstanding job or do better than other. Criticising other will not make yourself look better.
However I'm not saying criticising is no good. Criticising is always good but if you stay within the limit and know.
To answer Sujata's question I have one more example. What if American or Indian or some other nationals tells us, today's world is Global village. We should not say I'm Nepali, I'm Indian, I'm Kenyian etc. Let's all just live for this Globe and become like Indian or American.
The answer is NO. We want to live together and protect our Globe, we should not fight like in kindergarden for our small borders etc. but in other hand every little community, nation have their own pride and should be preserved.
Shanti
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| why noat |
Posted
on 10-May-02 11:55 AM
i think that noa is merely exercising what we here in amrika call "freedom of association". also, the invitation says:
"All members of the Nepalese community are cordially invited to participate"
i reckon that includes folks named sharma as well. just remember--if it weren't for newars, you wouldn't call yourself nepali.
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| JhismiseBihani |
Posted
on 10-May-02 11:59 AM
Dear Sujata,
I think you raise a valid point. Being a newar, let me put in my two cents here. First of all, I believe there are many such other organizations currently in existence within Nepal representing other ethnic groups of Nepal such as Gurungs, Magars etc. I do not have the names of these organizatiosn right now but I am pretty sure if you follow the news from Nepal on a regular basis, you will get to hear their names.
I think the main reason for the existence of organizations like these is the rich diversity of Nepal itself and the need to to protect it. We are all Nepalese here, there is no doubt about it but within ourselves we have different roots which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Newars traditionally have some very unique traditions which Nepalese from other ethnic group, I know for a fact from my personal encounters there are MANY of those Nepalese who either do not care for AT ALL or care for very little for Newari cultures and traditions. For example, Indra Jatra...there are many Kathmadu residents who have barely seen kumari ko ratha or laakhe in person. This is just one example. The other is language. Newari language has its own work of literature which should be encouraged and continued.
I am pretty sure there are newars who do the same to other cultures and I think this is only natural. How many caucasian americans or african-americans celebrate Chinese new year?
Nepal's rich diversity should be cherished and preserved and we the people have to pick up these responsibilities to do that.
I think, in itself, there is nothing wrong with opening such organizations but one has to be careful about it. These organizations should NOT encourage feelings of superiority over others or condescend others. Such organizations can create feelings of alienation within Nepalese and I think that's what your main concern is here but this need not be the case as long as we are more accepting, tolerant and open-minded.
You can better find an answer to your question if you ask yourself why do Americans have Black history month? or celebrate Cinco De Mayo?
To me more the important question is not why should we have such organizations but can we accept each other with all our differences and uniqueness? Can we as Nepalese accept and celebrate each others values and traditions?
with kind regards,
JB
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| Koko |
Posted
on 10-May-02 01:11 PM
To preserve a society that is losing its culture....
Need for a helping hand is not divinding
With this globalization mantra reining down on us
With a government not giving a Donkey'___
We have to do what is required
Newar culture is in the endangered culture list of UN
Thanks to opression by the Nepali Govt in the past
Besides this is not Nepal, to tell you what to do
You have rights here, To do what you want to
Do whatcha whatcha whatcha watcha want
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| baje |
Posted
on 10-May-02 05:47 PM
Hey Sujata, it's like this. It's OK for minorities to have their own organization, but it's not OK for the majority to have to start their own organization. For instance, if a White guy starts an organization just for whites, it'll instantly be labeled as racist. But if a black guy starts an organization just for blacks, it's all right. Howard University accepts mostly black students. Are there any universities out there that are just for Whites? Nah, I don't think so.
So, point beeing that minorities can do whatever they like, and nobody's gonna denounce it. But if the majority start doing that, hell is let loose.
One more thing, it's not just caste that's destroying Nepal. It's also RACE. Subtle, but important difference, girl...
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| Shanti |
Posted
on 10-May-02 06:51 PM
Hi Sujata,
You are in the wrong path and wrong direction. Please, look at your own family and ask your self why my family can not merge with the neighbors !!
Most of sociologists say that family is the first organization of the human being. As to this concept, you have to distinguish your family with others or neighbors.
Having many organization never harm any one and we all can be associated with any of those existed organizations like Newar, Gurung, Chhetri etc.
As long as you say, minorities should have organization, I do not believe on it because it is just easy to be in a circle for number of people who have fewer numbers.
One more thing is that some Nepalese ethnicity can not organize such a organization because they do not have that type of fundamental element to be in a good circle. I have seen that Bahuns and Chhetri-s speak same language so far as I know, but they do not have such fundamental aspiration to be in a good circle. It is their nature and they should think of not to be jealous.
It is not a big deal whether some group of people dislike to form or eager to form a organization, but it is matter for everone there should be democratic practice in the community and any critics should be precisely logical, otherwise any critics would be a sense of jealous. How do you think Sujata?
Shanti
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| What for? |
Posted
on 11-May-02 02:42 PM
I think GBNC should be renamed as Gurung Bahun Newar Chettri. com
because a lot of Nepali people even in U.S are disgusted with the other races (that exist in Nepal) .You guys still haven't changed and I dont see any positive signs either
Nepal bigrekai yestai thinking ley garera ho, ra ajhai pani Nepali haru yeti pitchadiyeka chan bhanera mailey socheko thiena ..
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| Shanti |
Posted
on 11-May-02 09:15 PM
I saw another Shanti poped up here. Shanti of ID 46497876 is not me. Just wanted to make clear.
Shanti
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