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| Trai |
Posted
on 22-May-02 09:07 PM
Dear all,
First of all, let's thank Rt. Hon. PM Sher Bahadur Deuba for disolving the parliament. I think its the best thing to happen to Nepal, given the current situation in the country. And here's why:
1. Now he has emerged as a "SARVA-SHAKTIMAAN" leader, which means he will be able to give political stability, the thing we need the most. Political Stability= Development= Economic Growth, and economic growth is always good.
2. He has spared us of the nuisance of the MPs. Now, no more 205 idiots to deal with, no horse trading in getting their support, and this = no misuse of the funds from the national treasury= more money with the central bank = more investment= more dvelopment= economic growth
3. A peaceful solution of the Maoists problem. How? The election date is set for Nov. 13, 2002. In any case, there won't be any election on this date but if things go otherwise and if we do hold elections on this date, and if Deuba somehow manages to persuade the maoists to come to the mainstream politics, then the maoists will definatley win the election, and this = inclusion of the maoists in the mainsteeam politics= a powerful party in the power and/or opposition= less corruption= more development= economic grwoth
tyasaile deuba ko birodh garne haroo= undemocratic= corrupt= wgo don't want the nation to prosper= girija and his supporters along with MaKuNe etc
Trai
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| MatribhumiNepal |
Posted
on 22-May-02 09:19 PM
Trai,
I would like to support Deuba whole heartedly, except for one thing. He should have averted the mid-term election at any cost, because there is good chance of same useless MPs you are talking about will get tickets from corrupt congress and win the election again. May not have the majority but enough to pull the leg.
Don't start supporting Maoist right away who skin people and behead kids infront of mothers and burn schools and kill teachers infront of students. Who can guarantee that they will not behead people after they come to power. Their comrades will think they rule the country, so they can do anything. Do you know that habbit die hard? Man eater tiger only looks for human to eat! Just like Girija only knows how to be destructive.
Has Girija listened to Al Gore's speach after he accepted the Supreme Court's verdict? That's called sacrifice for democracy.
Well, Girija are you listening?
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| Trai |
Posted
on 22-May-02 09:44 PM
>Trai,
>
>I would like to support Deuba whole
>heartedly, except for one thing. He should
>have averted the mid-term election at any
>cost, because there is good chance of same
>useless MPs you are talking about will get
>tickets from corrupt congress and win the
>election again. May not have the majority
>but enough to pull the leg.
Dear Matribumi Nepal,
There won't be any election for atleast 3 years. And many things can happen in 3 years. Let's hope that everything that happens, happens for good.
>Don't start supporting Maoist right away who
>skin people and behead kids infront of
>mothers and burn schools and kill teachers
>infront of students. Who can guarantee that
>they will not behead people after they come
>to power. Their comrades will think they
>rule the country, so they can do anything.
>Do you know that habbit die hard? Man eater
>tiger only looks for human to eat! Just
>like Girija only knows how to be destructive.
I am not supporting the Maoists. I am merely hinting that if they join the mainstream, then chances are they will act more responsibly.
Trai
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| bb |
Posted
on 23-May-02 12:44 PM
i am with deuba, goodluck!!!
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| Kancho |
Posted
on 23-May-02 12:50 PM
Me Too.
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| Mitra 2 |
Posted
on 23-May-02 02:02 PM
I support Deuba coz I strongly believe he is serious about burning issues of Nepal such as violence, corruption, inflation, and all. On the other hand other politicans or political parties were just playing power game. I like Deuba's commitments to his people for security and peace. Why in the world Girija did oppose for emergency extension? Are all problems related to Maoist settled already? Those who didn't think that the extension was necessary need to put forward their views in front of people. Madhav Nepal and UML were undecided about the extension until day before yesterday. And all of a suden they decided in a hurry that it was not necessary anymore. But why? What was the turning point? Put forward your reasons because you do job for nepali people, damn it!
How a PM could solve these problems when these fataha gadar opportunist people are around? Someone had to step up, and Deuba did and I support him for that. Don't you guys underestimate him. It's a huge rist he took and he is aware of that. A simple mistake could cost him life, career, fame, and everything. But, if you are doing right and thinking good for people and the country, the courage comes into play. I pray for his successful journey.
I, for one, think that emengency needs to be extended. We need to understand that innocent people are being killed. Govt. has to stop it or control it at any cost. A statement from a Maoist leader is not enough to stop it.
It is very important to remember our history. Right after the restoration of democracy in nepal, NC/UML govt had hard time to deal with police force. We know some policemen were killed brutally and were labeled as mandale. If we use police/army force to play political game, who could lead them in the future? They are not machines that can be sent or pulled out from the war. There must be a peace agreement or a guarentee that they wouldn't have to fight right away after another head of the govt. is appointed.
There must be a logic or reasoning for anyting to do or not to do. And I'm impressed with Deuba's reasonings to extend the emergency, but not with Girija or Madhav Nepal.
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| What the ... |
Posted
on 23-May-02 04:47 PM
No because the there is no need for a state of emergency to mobilize the army and deprive people of civil liberties.
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| vagabond |
Posted
on 23-May-02 05:21 PM
What civil liberties are you talking about? Whats the use of such liberties when you live under fear all the time? Security always comes before civil liberties. It is only a propoganda the Girija party is spreading to create a position.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 23-May-02 05:25 PM
What a lame reasoning! I cannot support Deuba, at no cost. If we follow Trai's reasoning, then the best thing would have been to have coup like 2017 once again. If the 205 MP's are all worthless ones, then where does that leave Deuba? Or is he the only one "bathed in milk"? Maybe those 205 MP's are a reflection of our misguided society that believes in "make hay while the sun shines." It was a big cop out for Deuba to dissolve the parliament. I, for one, would not be willing to live under an emergency for the next ten years, if you accept the military view that it will take 10 years to get rid of Naoists. Does that mean we will be under an emergency rule for the next ten years? No sir, that is not acceptable. I think emergency could have been lifted and still have the army maintain their vigilance-- even form citizen vigilante groups to report on suspicious movements. If it became evident that lifting the emergency did not work, there would be an automatic clamor and demand for imposing an emergency once again, I would expect. Deuba would have won no matter what. I believe there is more to it than simply a power tussle between the NC leaders.
To tackle the Maoist problem, there is an effective way. Hold India accountable to its words. India should be asked to hand the Maoists leaders and handed over to Nepal. Thus chop off the serpant's head. That is the most effective solution if that were to happen. Of course, India is playing both sides, so any solution that we are attempting is merely for "show". There will be no solution until the Maoists see the futility of their chosen path, or India stops playing the instability card in Nepal for its own political advantage.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 23-May-02 10:33 PM
Siwalik wrote:
If it became evident that lifting the emergency did not work, there would be an automatic clamor and demand for imposing an emergency once again, I would expect. Deuba would have won no matter what. I believe there is more to it than simply a power tussle between the NC leaders.
--
Siwalik's reasoning is like playing a computer game where you can
UNDO instantly by clicking single button. You are either making a joke
or you don't know real world, or your intentions in your writing
are different and trying illude peoples.
Just with one letter from Prachanda, you can not trust them that
Maoist war is over or peace is restored. Its Maoist game which
you (looking at your past postings you are ..... let people judge
and my judgement remain with me) want to make people believe
on them. Girija is playing foul game harassing and Girija is
jealous of Deoba. UML was undecided just 2 days back and suddenly
they were decided that emergency is not necessary. Last week
also UML had similar switching. Here what looks is UML is also
falling in the trap of Girija in power game, especially, Girija might
be giving them an empty bone that we will make sarbdaliya and
you can make your election plan as you like. This fact can be
seen now how fast they (UML) welcomed the Nov. election,
because they smelled break in NC and next election is their sure
win. UML is one of the worst party without spinal chord. It will
ruin the country if they come to power. All UML cadres were
enjoying the Maoist freedom of looting and torture on others,
before emergency was imposed. IF UML come to power, UML
cadres will have more freedom to rape the country, like red light
streets in Delhi or Bombay. Guys be ready of this scenario.
HG
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| Trai |
Posted
on 23-May-02 10:45 PM
Dear Siwalik,
One thing:
Its hard to assess nepal's situation while you are abroad. You have to be in nepal, you have to experience the "emergency" , you have to talk to the people on the street before deciding on anything.
I mean, everythig looks fine when you are abroad and where you have pecae and security. What does it feel to be on the front-line, this only the soldiers know..
my reasonings are lame, i know.. but, that's what I feel and that's the majority of nepalis in nepal feel.
You can talk about the ideals of democracy for hrs.. blame deuba for imposing emergency.. for creating the whole mess while sipping cold budweiser and kenny g's soft music on the background.. but when you are in Nepal, hearing this many people died today.. and this many people got abducted.. while drinking tato chiya.. youer views will change.. if you can, read a book called The Coming Anarchy and decide for yourself if democracy works everywhere..
This is all I have to say, not to be taken personally and SERIOUSLY.
Trai
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 23-May-02 11:18 PM
For me election is not priority, because the election will
bring the same old corrupts into power. I think Deoba should
first crackdown on corrupts, and establish peace and then,
only election can bring better representatives. First push
Govinda Raj Joshi, Gachhedar ... like people inside the bar,
lock them.
Balloting is not necessary for one year. I support Deoba
and suggest him to postpone election as long as Maoist
problem, corruption and peace problems are not solved.
Girija Bhajan Mandali is collection of BS peoples including Ram Saran
Mahat " lovi kutta" always switches wherever he smells money
or power.
Deoba jyu don't worry of those idiots, and I am confident that
you can solve the problems country is facing. First one is to
get rid of "Girija Bhajan Mandali ".
HG
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| democrat |
Posted
on 24-May-02 01:08 AM
All of you must support Deuba. Poor fellow has no support here in Nepal. So he really needs the support of all non-resident Nepalese. His Bhajan is full of non-resident Nepalese. He does not listen to his party or any one in his country. He obeys only the ambassadors of USA, UK and India. So all of you must continue to support Deuba. Poor Deuba really really needs it now like never before. Any one willing to buy him a one way ticket to United States?
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| A NRN |
Posted
on 24-May-02 01:37 AM
Man why do we support stupid Deuba? he is supporting Maoist. Why he need to go mid term poll? NC should kick out him, now he is totally illigal man of Nepal. This situation he brought nepal to Mid term poll.
A NRN
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-May-02 02:15 AM
BTW,
what is this new abbreviation in the town?
NRN = ?
HG
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| Makardhwaj |
Posted
on 24-May-02 02:53 AM
I do not know about politics in Nepal.
At least I believe the following:
Girija is the leader of kukurs.
Deuba is leader of Nepalese people.
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| HUH |
Posted
on 24-May-02 04:13 AM
NRN = NAMAKHARAM RAJ NAGARKOTI
NARARAJ NAKARMI
NAGENDRA RAJ NEPAL
NEGATIVE RESPONSE TO NATIONALISM
.............
............... add more ! HUH !!!
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| kundan chaudhary |
Posted
on 24-May-02 04:50 AM
how can you say that dissolving parliament is a solution to the present situation of the country ? How can you put blame on anyone unless you are yourself right and moving in a right track and dying for our country ? Do you have such qualities ?If not then please keep quiet and try to be so !! PRACTICE AND THEN PRECEPT
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| kundan chaudhary |
Posted
on 24-May-02 04:52 AM
i don't support anyone
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-May-02 07:42 AM
Bro, KC,
Everyday night when I go to bed and sleep, I dream of being
millionnaire, riding Benz, in a crowd of wah wah HG you are great,
but, when I wake up, I find only 4 walls around me some concrete
and some paper or made of glass. I feel so poor, compared to
the dream. I have to drink that "KATI DIN KO BASHI Dudh Packed
in Paper Pack", and the Bread, and rush to get to office before
8:30 am ...... I dream something and I have something. Well,
at the end of day, I forget my dream, whether I had any dream.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-May-02 07:42 AM
Bro, KC,
Everyday night when I go to bed and sleep, I dream of being
millionnaire, riding Benz, in a crowd of wah wah HG you are great,
but, when I wake up, I find only 4 walls around me some concrete
and some paper or made of glass. I feel so poor, compared to
the dream. I have to drink that "KATI DIN KO BASHI Dudh Packed
in Paper Pack", and the Bread, and rush to get to office before
8:30 am ...... I dream something and I have something. Well,
at the end of day, I forget my dream, whether I had any dream.
I just had same morning, same day, same 4 walls, what I had
seen changes is in the sky, some time clean weather, sometime
rainy ...... Japanese colleagues say, dream is something else, but,
"ARU TOKORO DE TATAKAU", (you strike or live with the things
in your hand, and don't beg a loan that you can never return).
I don't take loan from dream to be paid by my grandson. Lets
enjoy out of what we have and we have to be satisfied with it
and work hard to use the available resource for better tomorrow.
This is the theme of life of peoples around me and I am happy
with that idea and theme.
HG
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| democrat |
Posted
on 26-May-02 06:34 AM
Dear all,
Deuba has been expelled from Nepali Congress. Please contribute to the kitty meant to buy Deuba a one way ticket to United States. Please mail your contributions to:
Syal Bahadur Deuba
PIPA to Prjwol Shamsher
Kathmandu, Nepal
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 26-May-02 05:26 PM
Obviously this Hahooguru name was chosen for a purpose. Anyone who have read my posting would know that my foremost concerns is about Nepal, not a party or a personality as this person has professed to support in earlier postings. Somehow, criticism of Deuba, to this person, equates to being a Maoist--a charge he has labelled on me before.
It might be better if we could take a step back and look at the bigger picture--if at any obstacle are we going to supress democratic practice, then how will democracy ever take root in Nepal? Of course, it will be hard to think in that manner for someone with vested interest who has to support some personality or party position. As a student of political science, I feel comfortable analyzing situation in terms of concepts, practices and trends of development, not being a Maoist of NC supporter like this person seems to do. I was never interested in party politics in Nepal, nor am I likely to be.
As Trai pointed out reality in ground will be different than from a distance across the oceans. Maybe democracy is not in Nepali's best interest, as Nepalese seem to indulge in accusations, or name calling as the first visceral reaction at the first sign of dissent. I have not seen any evidence of Nepalese being able to sustain a democratic system, on a personal, societal or national level. On a theoretical front, democracy may be the best system, and we may harp till hell freezes over about its virtues, but the fat remains that it is also the most complex system. I will go as far as to suggest that Nepalese may not be ready for this game. Nepal scores pretty low on lot of indicators that are correlates of democracy--literacy, size of the middle class, wealth, per capita GNP, feudal mentality, social disparity, etc. And come to think of it, only a few members in this forum can respectfully agree to disagree. In the aftermath of Deuba's move, the NC party seems to be as much entrenched in authoritarianism as Nepalese society. Frankly speaking, no matter how much I wish to see Nepal as a prosperous democratic society, I see very little evidence of that occuring.
The Maoist problem, having worked in those areas in 1988-89 in an emergency relief porject, is not the fault of any leader, it is a failure of our society. It might be a result of our failure to openly discuss and oppose repression in the past. Now the woods are dry and a flint can set us on fire... it has. No big surprise to me. What took it so long? The hopes created by democracy, the failure of the leadership, and the unconscionable leaders like Baburam, plus, of course, some elements in our big neighbor who can benefit from playing brothers against brothers. But still it has an economic element that no one can escape. There are too few resources to go around and the competition is to great. So it is the case of "me first" at the expense of everyone else, even the nation that was once an illustrious example of peace and tranquility.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-May-02 06:50 PM
Siwalik wrote: As a student of political science, I feel comfortable analyzing situation in terms of concepts, practices and trends of development, not being a Maoist of NC supporter like this person seems to do. I was never interested in party politics in Nepal, nor am I likely to be.
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Well, the way you got frustrated over my posting, and you as political sc. student could not explain things to satisfy to common peoples like me, what can I say? more than, I feel pity for the inability of a political science student to convince public about the ongoing politics and scenarios in simpler and understandable words.
My understanding on your posting is:
You first mentioned your conclusion and then started justifying it, and you tried to impose your premediated conclusion on readers and that is not acceptable.
I think if I were a political science student, I would have brought the data, analysis and at the end I would have asked the reader to draw conclusion out of the data and analysis. This the most important aspect an Opinion Writer should do. Ladnu bhayen, tyahi ho main kura.
In Democracy only those will survive within common public WHO WILL EXPLAIN THE EVENTS BUT THEY LET PUBLIC DRAW INDIVIDUAL CONCLUSION. Collection of individual conclusion is what we election/voting. So, you (as writer or as political analysist) should let us vote, and we surely don't expect someone else vote (draw conclusion) on our behalf. Your writing should reflect this.
HG
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| ACDC |
Posted
on 26-May-02 09:10 PM
Yo GURU jata gaya pani DEMOCRACY Padhaunchha..........
Ke ho, FUSKYO ki kyaho.....................?
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| manny |
Posted
on 26-May-02 09:50 PM
To Girija Babu,
If you can read this message, I am going to tell you that you must retired. Come on, you are almost 80 years old. And you already proved that you can't do anything to resolve the maosist insurgency anyway, why are you so much greedy of power. You should go to "tirtha yatra" NOT to politics. At least Deuba is doing whatever he can. YOU ARE SUCH A ASS HOLE. THINK ABOUT NEPALEASE FUTURE NOT YOURS, YOU ARE GOING TO DIE PRETTY SOON ANYWAY. I suggest someone should shoot Girija first.
Mannny
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-May-02 10:41 PM
In Democracy, Mr. ACDC, you are not asked to read everything
that drops in this forum. You can neglect and not read it. If you
disagree something, and if you have substitute jot it down, let
readers decided whether to read your statements or not.
Plain "Yo Yo GURU jata gaya pani DEMOCRACY Padhaunchha..........
Ke ho, FUSKYO ki kyaho.....................? ",
is too personal attack. You should better mind your business.
Tagat bhe timi pani padhau, natra padha, tyo pani sakdainou
bhane arkako daha nagara. Don't be personal.
Reject ideas, not persons.
HG
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| huh |
Posted
on 27-May-02 12:04 AM
when girija decided to dissolve the parliament, he did not consult the party because it was prime minister's special right Now deuba is expelled from the party for the same reason taking disciplinary action. why this 'dohoro mapdanda' ?
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| huh |
Posted
on 27-May-02 01:21 AM
It is said that another party is under formation by deuba goot whose party president will be ramchandra paudel and mahamantri will be khum bahadur khadka.
if there will be no unity in NC they will be announce new party after 'NC mahadhibesan'.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 27-May-02 06:34 AM
Huh Bro.,
where did you get this info. why don't you share it's details.
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 27-May-02 06:42 AM
BTW, what will be name of new party?
Guess it.
I guess it should be
Nepali Democratic Congress Party.
Better one: Nepali Congress Party (Democratic) Website: http://www.ncpd.org/
Because Girija Group holds Nepali UnDemocratic (hidden truth) Congress Party
What else can be?
Another option: Nepal Congress Party (Liberal) : Website: http://www.n-c-p.org/
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 27-May-02 07:11 AM
I think Girija will take back the decision, but, Deoba should not
bow to him. Now, all communication media (govt.) is under the controll
of Deoba, so can not allow Girija group to misuse like they did
it against KPB. So, Girija gang will not have access to misusing the
national media, it can lead Girija gang into trouble during elections
and this can be one reason Girija will accept Deoba with honor.
Even if Girija gang does not take him back, Kantipur Publication
is the number one enemy of Girija B. M. as it appears from
last two days write ups by Yub Raj @ TKP (The Kantipur Publication),
and if Kantipur does not help Girija Kangress, they will have no
other way to reach to public and it will be great disaster to them,
to avoid Kantipur in their election propaganda. And, if Deoba
can manage, Kantipur can be very much instrumental in making
NCP(Liberal Democratic) to reach to public and win the election.
The private TV owned by Kantipur will have great impact if Deoba
group manage to disband Girija's Kartuts.
Deoba should not use National Media to make his propaganda
and it should be minimized to remain clean from misusnig public
property. Well, its theory, I don't know whether the bad guys
around Deoba like Wagle will like such ideas.
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 27-May-02 06:49 PM
Suppose, looking at the election ahead, and its possibilities,
if Girija thinks that Girija wing might not have enough
chances to occupy position in power after election conducted
under Deoba's leadership, then, what will happen?
Girija will surrender to Deoba and asks Deoba to make the
case in supreme court to loss by the government with weak
reasons, so that, the dissolution of parlimanet can be reinstated.
In this Nepali politics, I am seeing this thread of hope for Girija
side. Do you think this option is very slim? In politics anything
can happen and its one possible method. Well, it will let Deoba
to gracefully rule another 6 months, because they can make
a hidden treaty with all parties involved from court to Palace
and Girija wing. After 6 months, Deoba can leave the position
when supreme court reinstates parliament. Well, in this 6 month,
Maoists may come up with different strategy because of
Army's new position and strength. This can be one great
option for Girija wing.
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 28-May-02 12:23 AM
KOL reported:
“The Nepali Congress is in a difficult situation today,” he (Dr. Ram Saran Mahat) said. “It is unfortunate that wrong decisions have been made one after another. Dissolving the House and calling mid-term polls may have been wrong, but it is now a reality. The party and government must now be united and face the elections together,” he said. (yo)
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Ram Saran Mahat smells Finance Ministry again if he can reunite
Girija and Deoba. HE calls Deoba and Girija one mistake after another.
Is not he including this saga, by quick resignation and his resignation
has helped Girija to go ahead his chauvanist tricks. You idiot Mahat.
You are the one who should be fired frist out of NC.
HG
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| S B Darbariya |
Posted
on 28-May-02 11:30 AM
Hey Democrat,
That was hillarious! Keep us updated on where the kitty stands .. :))
Cheers.
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