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| Trai |
Posted
on 31-May-02 10:03 PM
Sada Nepal ra nepaliko hit chitai baksane, prajabatsal, rastranayak shri panch maharajadhiraj birendra bir bikram shah dev sarkar ko asamayaik swargarohan ko aaja pahilo punya tithi ma, aaja sampurna Nepal ra nepali le mausuf sarkar prati hardik sradhanjali aparan gardaichan. Ko nepali yesto hola, jasle aajako din ma birendra sarkar lai nasamjhido hos.. ko nepali yesto hola.. jasle birendra sarkar ko rastrabhakti, prabatsal-ta lai aaja nasamjhido hos.. nepali harooka nayak, neta, hamro raja.. hami sabaiko sajha, hamro raja..
Mausuf sarkar lai ek patak najikai bata darshan garne mauka payeko thiye, ma 3-4 class ma huda, jaba tyati belaka samyutkta rastra sangh ka maha sachib, javuer perez de cuier Nepal aauu bhayeko thiyo.. hanuman dhoka ma swagat samaroh thiyo.. hami sabai school ko bachha haroolai tyaha lagiyeko thiyo..ma dosro lahar ma thiye..birendra sarkar ko sawari bhayo.. kasto shanta, hasilo hoi baxanthyo mausuf..Nepal ko ra UN ko jhanda farfarai raheko hami bachha haroo prati herera mausuf le mayalu haso hasi baksyo.. tyo xyan namitine gari mero deemag ma cha.. ra aaja aankha agadi nachiraheko cha.. manau tyo hijo matrai thiyo..
Bhanne le j sukai bhanun.. bideshi sanchar madhyam tatha sanskrito ka kuprabhav ma parera nepali rajbansha ko birodh garchan.. tara k tini haroole bastavik nepal ra nepali lai bujheka chan ta ? chainan.. k 2 karod nepali ko astha ko pratik ko mahatwa bujhera, parapurva kaal dekhi chali aayeko parampara lai atma saath garera nepal ra nepali kai hit hune kaam gareka chan ta ? chainan..kewal birodh ko lagi birodh garne ek nepali barga jasle j kura ma pani bideeshi sanskriti ko pravutwa chahancha.. jasle haami sabai swabhimani tatha rastrabhakta nepali ko astha ko pratik rajsamstha mathi anawasyak aunla thadyauchan.. k tini haroo nepali hun ? hoinan.. desh ra naresh.. yi dui sabda haroo nepali harooka nimti parapurva kaal dekhi nai ek arka ka purak rahi aayeko kura ta sabailai thaha bhayekai ho..tasartha, mero, hamro “bidesh” ma tatha swadesh mai raheka tathakathit “bigya” barga jo rajsamstha prati anawasyak ressh, raag, dwaish ra sanka garera aafulai “naya sankrsiti ko anuyayi” thandachan ma euta namra nibedaan cha.. rajsamstha mathi kina biorodh garne? Yedi shri panch badamaharajadhiraj prithvi narayan shah le tyag nagari bakseko ho ta, k hami nepali bhayera bachna sakthyau ? k shri panch tribhuwan le, gaddi chaddera « rana birodhi andolan » ma sarik nabhai bakseko bhaye, hamile prajatantrik adhikar ko upayog garna sakthyau ? k mahendra sarkar ko kushal netritwa napayeko bhaye, hamile aaja nepal ra nepali bhayera bachne adhikar paunthyau ? k shri panch maharajadhiraj birendra bir bikram shah dev sarkar le 2046 saal ma janatako chahana bujhera dal haroo mathi lageko pratibandha fukuwa garai, naya samnidhan antargat aafulai sambaidhanik raja banai, nepal adhirajyako sampurna adhikaar nepali janatalai nasumpeko bhaye, hamile k prajatantrik chunab ma bhag lina paunthyau ?
Swargiya maharajadhiraj harooko tyag ko kadar ra prasamsa garnu ko satta, bivinna alochana garera nepali harroolai digbhramit garna khojne yesta tatha kathi buddhi jivi barga tatha bidesh sanskriti ka anuyayi haroo, sachai bhanne ho bhane nepal ra nepalika satru hun bhanda pani ati sayokti na hola..yahi sajha.com ma pani kati yesta digbhramit buddhijiwiharoo jo bina tarka, bina karan, bina praman anahak ma rajsamstha prati dusprachar failaudai aayeko kura ta sabaile dekhekai chan.. ra aru sajha.com ka sadsyaharoo jasle nepal ra nepali lai ramrari bujheka chan.. jasko raj samstha prati ananya shraddha ra astha cha, tyo barga le yasta bhramak, kapol kalpit « suchana » haroolai bewasta gareko tathya pani sarba biditai cha… tyahi bewasta ka karan tyasta raj birdohi, desh birodhi tatwa haroo le sajha.com ma aafno prabhutwa ra adhipatya sthapana garna sakeka chainan.. tini haroole kahile pani sakdainan.. tara tini haroo nirarthak prayas bhane gari rahekai chan.. gari rahun..
Antyama : shri panch maharajadhiraj sarkar ko jai jai jai..shri panch maharajadhiraj gyanendra bir bikram shah dev ko kushal netritwa ma desh ra deshbasi le ahile bhogi raheko sankat, arajakata, anyaulta ra tras bata chutkara pauna sakun.. yahi nai hamro nepali harroka aradhyadedv pashupati nath sita prarthaha ra rastranayak ma nibedaan …..
Byaktigat prahar tatha nirarthak aarop layera nirutsahit garne tatwa harooko niradhar axyep ra aarop ko pratixya gardai…
Sada sarkar ko bhakta,
Trailokya Aryal
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| Dejected |
Posted
on 31-May-02 11:36 PM
Here comes another blow to Sajha.com. Is sajha no longer a hub of high quality, serious and thought-provoking ideas and commentaries ?
Look at the quality of this piece. Is it not an example of a ‘sasto bauddik beshyabritti’ ? Actually there is nothing that is even distantly ‘bauddik’ in this panchayati shit.
Is sajha losing its old glory ? In the past I had recommended this site to several of my friends for what Sajha used to be. Now I feel embarrased about it.
God save sajha !
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| chaloo |
Posted
on 01-Jun-02 08:12 AM
Hardly anybody knew how king Birendra was, people have been foolin us and saying good things about him, good things about him are all lies. They brainwashed us as little kids, they made us study like Raja sabka Sajha, hamra raja ra rani and all of the Queens stupid poems that she did not even write.
I am not a fool I dont worship a peson without knowing him.
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| Nepali ko bidesi chora |
Posted
on 01-Jun-02 01:26 PM
The above posting is an example of how people lookup to the king. King is not just a leader in Nepal. King is a part of the family. This is the culture of Nepal. The new generation of Nepalis will not accept this but you need to look beyond the new generation.
It is easy to critise anyone for their feelings but only a wise can acknowledge it.
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| ? |
Posted
on 01-Jun-02 02:22 PM
Dear Trai,
you dismissed others being kapolkalpit, bhramak etc. but you yourself didn't give any reasons why others are what you thought they are. you also failed to provide any reference to independent research, studies, surveys or polls to prove your statement that raja is indeed sabaiko sajha. until you provide them, i will take it as your personal thoughts and would like to respectfully disagree with you. My disagreement is based on the recent polls in Nepal where Royalists as independent Royalist, are vehemently rejected by people. A handful of those who were accepted came in new Avatar. I hope you accept the poll results. If royals are indeed beloved in Nepal, whys it problem for them in going to constitutional election? Because sojho-sajha nepali in country side are brainwashed by ultra communists and pade lekheka in urban side are influenced by western culture right??Common you need to do a better study and come up with a better argument than this..
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| QreUS |
Posted
on 01-Jun-02 03:58 PM
Our great Ashu mercilessly criticizes the writings of the likes of CK Lal and Moda Nath Prasrit for the lack of the facts and figures to support their clever claims. Now let's see what he has to say about his acquintance Trailokya Aryal Bhai.
Let me predict- Ashu Dai will not directly criticize this one. He will find a way not to offend Trailokya bhai. He will say something like- well everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion or it is a sentimental stuff not to be taken seriously or it is not very good time in the country to talk about politically sensitive issues etc.
Or, you never know, Ashu just might surprise all of us...
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| wxy |
Posted
on 01-Jun-02 04:20 PM
A relevant thread to this one is:
(San, why it doest not appear in light.sajha.com ?)
http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=130&ThreadID=5105
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| san |
Posted
on 01-Jun-02 04:37 PM
Dear WXY,
You don't seem to see it in light.sajha.com because the light client is configured by the top level discussion groups and when you access the light client you only see the postings on the KURAKANI forum, if you go to the usergroup called "PHOTO BOLCHA" you should be able to see this one as well.
Hope this explains.
San
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| wxy |
Posted
on 01-Jun-02 05:49 PM
Thanks San, for your prompt response and explanation. It is clear to me now and I understand that this is to make light.sajha really light. However, I would like you to make note that, being the user of the light verson and lazy to open every usergroup, I have missed many interesting threads in the past. I presume that has happened to other users as well.
If it does not compromise the speed, I would suggest you to make all the postings (kurakani and user groups)appear on the light version too, like you have done in the non-light version. But you know better about it.
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| wxy |
Posted
on 02-Jun-02 01:46 PM
Just thought this might be relevant to the content of Trailokya's bakmafoos arguments in this so-called tribute. Trailokya seems to be sharing a lot of views of Dharanidhar Sharma of Nepalhorizon bulletin board. The exchange between two mad guys, Monarchist Dharanidha Sharma and the republican Ranjit Shamser Jung Bahadur Rana, is where Trailokya should be. Have fun there.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 02-Jun-02 11:35 PM
QreUS,
I find it hard to pronounce your name.
May I, please, call you -- simply and generically -- Rajesh?
Thank you.
OK, Rajesh (as in "King of the Gods"),
FYI: Like all posters here, I pick and choose what I want to
discuss here.
That is why, blatantly trying to force other people to discuss
something -- like you are doing here -- goes against the unspoken
volunteer-run spirit of sajha.com.
I also sense that you are trying to lay a clever verbal trap for
me to fall into.
Sorry, Rajesh.
I am NOT going to play the game you want me to play .
I wish you well.
And that's all I can add to this thread.
I know I have disappointed you with this reply.
But then you expected too much :-)
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 03-Jun-02 02:20 AM
Wxy, "bakmafoos arguments" ?
Is not it a plain accusation, just because you don't like Rajabadi peoples
like Trai? I think we need to see both facets: Raja Badi and Ganatantra
badi. Ganatantra badi should also give their logic that should be more
pressing and influential. But, such "bakmafoos arguments" will weaken
your movements. AS usual, why is that "bakmafoos arguments"? Its
what common peoples like me will ask you? Where and how?
If everywhere, or anywhere, then, you are blindly mind washed by
republicanists. Let us know, your views. We need not only complains,
but, also solutions. Proposed substitute to current system, should
guarantee that its better than the previous, where, how , when
(whether 100 years later or immediately after)? Lets not get confused
with Maoist style of hopes, 30/40 barsha lagcha, why? 30/40 barsha,
when Maoists did not have patience to wait for one full term in
parliament?
HG
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| QreUS |
Posted
on 03-Jun-02 12:31 PM
Ashu,
Let me first make it clear that I have a very high regard for your intelligence, writing style and views. You are one of the best of Sajha and Kathmandu.
Now regarding the ‘verbal trap’ I put. Yes, I was using you. But it has nothing to do with you. It was a part of my clever scheme to expose how some guys are exploiting the best minds of sajha to promote their right-wing fanaticism with ease and style.
Let’s take this guy Trailokya who is trying to sell that republican idea is an alien culture and people with such views don’t deserve to be called even Nepali. Such a bakamfoos argument, but Trailokya is putting it with arrogance and style. How could he afford to do it ? Simple, He knows some ‘top guys’ of sajha. His Ashu dai, his San dai. So Trailokya thinks he enjoys patronage of the likes of Ashu and San. So he feels he can write anything. (It is all theoretical, all right ?), no matter how bakamfoos it is. I wanted to test this theory, and if it is true, to let Trailokya know once for all that there is no way he can exploit his personal acquaintance with Ashu, San and others to promote his bakamfoos views.
For this test, I needed your response to this particular thread. It does not matter what you write. I just needed your presence. Now, for all smart people in sajha, it should be clear that I succeeded in my mission.
Let me also give another example of the promotion of the right-wing fanaticism in sajha by exploiting the best assets of sajha. Example-Hahooguru. He thinks he enjoys the patronage of the likes of Paschim, NK, Nepe (hahoo fan club ??) of sajha, so he feels he can write any bakamfoos guff in sajha. I am also going to put ‘verbal trap’ for these hastis and prove my point.
Wait for me.
Lastly, I apolozige for using you. But I had no other way as you can see.
QreUS (not Rajesh)
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| naresh_karki |
Posted
on 03-Jun-02 12:43 PM
Graceful exit Ashuji. :)
Naresh Karki
Baltimore
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| NK |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 08:44 AM
Who the heck is this Rajesh that Ashu sees everywhere :) :) :) ???? Is he that omnipresence? Or is Ashu the Omniscient? God! How I love this word - anything with Omni. Yes omnivorous too. Anyhow QreUs (are you sure it is not Kids are Us?), you seem to imply anybody can write anything as long as the "big guns" of this sajha winks at him/her. First of all Sajha is Sajha as in for EVERBODY. If you want to find a true democracy you don't have to go anywhere, just visit sajha. A chaotic, vibrant, sometimes sparked with brilliance, and mostly mediocore. And here you are, going about accusing people for not speaking out against what you think is baseless, propagandistic, "right-wing" posting. As far as I was concerned it was an eulogy and the original poster was 'bhaw bihwo' thinking about the late king Birendra. I mean if somebody wants to eulogize some king then why does it become a right-wing thing? If you are a regular poster and reader of this site then you may have noticed that the originator of this posting has a tendency to go extremely personal if somebody does not agree with his view. Just read his “Dangerous Wives.” I have no vested interest defending this posting. If you had not mentioned my name, I would have let this posting go.
But, here I am and while I am here I would like to clarify my position. You mentioned something like Hahooguru write anything because he “has the patronage of the likes of Paschim, NK, Nepe (hahoo fan club ??) of sajha,…” My friend QreUs, it seems you don’t really pay close attention to postings. If you read Hahooguru’s so called ramblings you will find out it is in fact a true gem. Some people have a direct and in a few words way of saying and get the message across and some people like Hahooguru has a different way of expressing.. People like you I think who have less patience get put off by his loooong postings. Inherently, do you think there is anything wrong with a long posting? Skip it if you don’t have time, read it if you do. I think because of the nature of this medium (instantenous) we make unavoidable error including me. As soon as you/I hit the button ‘send’ hundreds of people will see it. And in the heat of things we push that send button too fast. Hahooguru like so many regular posters (including me) do it and *will* happen in the future. You have to make a choice here. Do you want to vilify a person based on few of his/her erroneous postings or based on majority of her postings? Last, I would urge you to go back and read the postings under heading, “ hahooguru’s top ten list” and decide if Hahooguru and we are such a buddy that I say yes to everything he says.
And, please don’t give so much importance to the writing of “NK.” I am just a regular visitor who happens to post here and there and many a times plain irreverent musings.
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| QreUS |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 10:53 AM
Thank you NK for your frank response. By calling you frank, I am not implying that Ashu was not frank in his response. I understand that he was just refusing to be framed by some faceless name, sorta graceful exit, to borrow Naresh Karki’s. Well, that’s fair enough, I suppose. But again I was not after his statement criticizing Trailokya, nor was I after you to declare that you have no sympathy/pity for Hahoo. What you said was predictable.
I am not saying that Hahoo is not a fun. He is funny. His non-political ramblings, though I lose patience to go through them, especially the long ones, are ‘entertaining’. And his general knowledge about the places and people is impressive. But when he talks politics, he is completely khattam and jhoor, to borrow Ashu’s trademark phrases. I am not talking about his beliefs (they are just extreme right-wing views, that’s all). I am talking about the way he attacks the alternative views. And the way he attacks the person expressing such views. He becomes a complete nuts, he becomes nothing but an irritating bad mouther making his heavy-weight fans a laughing stock. Well, the last part is not my problem.
NK, you said, the looooooooong postings of Hahoo, in fact, contains gem. I assume you are talking about his non-political ‘ramblings’. There I do not have any problem. Probably you are right. But again, by the same measure, what if I say the postings of our famous ‘Naresh_Karki, Baltimore’ and ‘The Mildly Retarded Kancha’ were mines of diamonds. Is it not our deplorable failure that we could not recognize those diamonds in their continuous postings not long ago. We could have shifted through those personal attacks and explicit things in their brilliant postings to select the diamonds and discard the rest. Why double standard ?
Somebody suggested to put a ban on those making personal attacks on Sage in another thread. And Hahoo is the leader of that mob which is shouting for lynching that nice American chap Mr. Sage, whose only crime is to teach English to Nepali ketaketi in a remote village, to play vollyball with young Maoists in the village and to have doubts whether the USA truly cares about the world and whether the poor class is enjoying the fruits of democracy in Nepal, the USA or any other country. Now, why the famous ban on Naresh Karki and Mildly retarded Kancha should be a precedence to ban the members of those mob. Whadda say ?
Hey, I am Q-re-US (Curious), Why is it so difficult to decipher such a simple thing ? Harvard calls it Rajesh, Nobel prize deserving mind calls it a Kid.
Have a good day, Have a good night !
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 11:06 AM
QreUS wrote:nor was I after you to declare that you have no sympathy/pity for Hahoo.
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Thats your interpretation, I read NK's posting differently, and you are just trying to seduce peoples with different interpretation. From your posting, you seems to be rallying against me. No Problem. I have no problem. I know very well that writing in Sajha.com is not easy, peoples "spinal chordless" like you will surely come and go. Last week Okil came and gone, now Kid is here. Tomorrrow someone else will come. It does not matter. Hahoo!Guru knows who he is? What he is talking? What he knows? What he should not talk? How should he agree and disagree, and who are his allies and who are alien to him. So, try to rally against me. Thats no problem. Hahoo!Guru is established. Well, regarding Sage, the topic is closed, and it was closed after Sage revealed something Guru wanted to know.
Lets have fun. Guru is seasoned person, and won'T be crushed so easily.
If you have capacity, I wish you succeeed. Otherwise, you will leave and next morning you will be here with another Mask, like Okil yesterday.
Sakchas bhane aaija thuwa khelau. No Problem, but, not in Sajha.com
but, via email.
HG
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 11:14 AM
Guru,
kuro milena bhandaima "thuwa" khelne chunauti di-haldiya bhanya?
thuwa bina mat-bhinnata ko gunjayish chhaina ta?
kya.............
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 11:25 AM
QreUS wrote:. I am also going to put ‘verbal trap’ for these hastis and prove my point.
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This sentence asked me to challenge him to thuwa khlene via Private Email, keeping the descency in public place well above the preferred level.
Its not about agreeing and disagreeing, but, Challenge lai uttara matra
diyeko ni. Ramro huna po garoh chha ta, naramro bhe ra girera
chhita khelna ta garoha chhaina ni, kinaki after the game is over,
aina ma herda opponent bhanda afoo nai khattam bhainchha ni, yadi
public place me thuwa khelema. Tara private place ma ta hami k k
matrai gardainoura ? Public lai chot napurai, kanon bhitra nai rahi,
thuwa khelne ni "via email".
HG
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 11:36 AM
K bhayeko manchhe haru laai, kina Guruji laai gaali garchhan? Respect garna birse
maanchhe harule gurulai yo kaliyug maa. Guruji jasto aadarniya maanchhe laai
testo chip (cheap) gaali garnu bhayena.
Ani guruji pani testo risaayera "Thuwa" (whatever that is) khelne challenge garnu
bhayena hai. Stoic hunu paryo, chaadai excite hunubhayena. Sabai Sajha baasi
laai baraabar maayaa garnu paryo.
Guruji ko duipaise bhakta ko saano sujhaab.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 11:56 AM
My sincere apologies to all those who got disappointed by my invitation to QreUS for Thuwa khelna. Not to disappoint more peoples, I should withdraw the invitation, and the should have been via email reply. I am specially concerned with the core of thread being deviated by some peoples. By throwing more
words from my-side, will let the Mr. QreUS peoples 's motive of writing in this thread i.e. to deviate the thread away from core issues, and devaluate the well intentioned thread. To honor the thread, I will withdraw my invitation, and suggest peoples to be more centered on the core issue, than on filthy stuffs that might help, THREAD VADAYA like QreUS, who want to use VERBAL TRAPS
"THUWA" to deviate core of the thread to far away and finally, make the thread
useless. So, I suggest everyone to be careful with such THREAD DEVIATING
AGENTS.
I was almost trapped in Mr. QreUS VERBAL TRAPs, and thanks to all those who informed me on time.
HG
PS: Its my last reply to this Avatar of Mr. QreUS. Well, I am sure he will appear
with another Avatar in a few days.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 12:17 PM
Thank you, Guruji. I never doubted that you would do right thing!
I also thik Q-re-US has right to ask what he thinks is unfair and cliquish in sajha.com
and I praise certain parts of his postings that were thought provoking. Guruji laai
nachaahine gaali gareko chaahi ali chitta bujhena hai QreUSji. Guruji is always
willing to listen to others. He is not an egomaniac poster like many others, nor will
he venture to make personal insinuation. That is the quality that makes Guruji hami
sabaiko aadarniya.
Sajha.com is not an easy place to survive. Attacks are bound to come from a lot
of directions. Sometimes from expected directions, sometimes from unexpected
ones.
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| QreUS. |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 12:59 PM
As I had made it clear earlier that this was my small experiment to make a point. I was intentionally provoking Ashu, Hahoo, NK and whoever are left to respond. I am almost done. I thank you all for your participation and apologize for the discomfort if was caused any. I am thankful for Biswo’s intelligent intervention. I take his remarks as a concluding remark for this experiment, if I may.
Anything left ? Well, Sajha hastis might show their fairness by apologizing to that poor Sage for some sajhawasi’s vulgar witch-hunting and their attempt to cyberlynch him.
We should be treating Sage like a God, if we know what our ancient script says- Atithi dewo bhawa !
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| huh |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 01:18 PM
Thanks for QreUS's suggestion. Hope for more mulyawan 'intentional' suggestion in the future.
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| QreUS. |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 01:35 PM
Hey Huh, like me, you are still a new name in sajha. Hahoo wouldn’t hesitate to call you a ‘spine chord less’, were you not a member of the same team of the witch-doctors which was conducting a vigorous witch-hunting against Sage. Guru says the witch-hunting is over and the ‘operation lyncho Sage II’ is withdrawn. Is that true ? If true, thank God. But I am still afraid someday you guys are going to declare the state of emergency in Sajha. Let’s hope that day will not come and sajha democracy will remain intact.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 01:37 PM
QreUSji:
I haven't read all of sage's comment, but I had had a small exchange with him, and
found him gradually changing his position vis-a-vis Maoists. There is no doubt he
is a smart person, and has his own view about Nepal which most of sajha.com
visitors seem to disagree. Disagreeing with someone is not a crime. So, I really
don't think we need to apologize to Sage.
Rather than apology-hunting, we need to strive to prove our points. My impression
of Sajha is that a lot of people here are willing to read other's views.As a long time
Sajha.com visitor, I come here to read intelligent views, and in this course, I have
found that there are so many people who are more informed, more liberal than me.
(Hastis you named are just a few examples!) And finally, your own postings are
quite sparkling, persuading and the final posting in which you have shown your
willingness to apologize with those who probably felt insulted is so graceful.And
yet here,in a true sajha tradition, we still have some differences while we part for
now.[finally, plij guruji laai aba gaali nagarau hai:-) ]
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| huh |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 01:46 PM
My purpose of above posting was just to get such reaction from you and it is very pleasant to me that I immediately got such postings from you. I was intentionally appeared right now and I know that you are really 'antaryami' to understand my intention so fast. You are deserved for my admiration.
Have a goodday, Have a goodnight !
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| huh |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 02:02 PM
QreUS, Thanks again that you are still remembering pooor huh ! Your memory is not so bad ! (y)
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| QreUS. |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 02:53 PM
Biswo, I appreciate your peace-making effort. I am also aware of the diversity in Sajha and how you hastis have promoted the spirit of pluralism here. Otherwise I wouldn’t be writing this very sentence.
But the way the ‘syndicate of right wing’ dominates sajha bothers me. I am indicating to the discouragement extended to ‘alternative’ views. Let’s take an extreme example, what if a supporter of Maoists posts his/her views in sajha. Let that happen and all you hear is .. ye han han thok thok mar sale lai… No intellectual discussion at all. The whole kurakani board turns into a mob. You might say, well that’s the way it is. I say there is something wrong about it. It might make the majority of people (assuming the majority of the people oppose Maoists) happy, but it will also make sajha not an ideal place for intellectual discourse. If sajha is to be an ideal place for intellectual discussion, I think, views of any ‘color, sex and race’ should be allowed to enter. Sajha has become a very poor archive of Maoists views. I think we should encourage the supporter of Maoists to express their views in sajha. I know this is very explosive idea and I can already hear the sizzling sound of the boiling blood of many sajhaites while reading these sentences. But does sajha have to imitate a parliament or a street ? Can it not imitate a seminar room of a university ?
And everybody, I warn you, don't call me a Maoists.
Just curious.
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| huh |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 03:19 PM
Dear QreUS,
it is great idea ! I appreciate your opinions that views of any race/sex/color/religion/... should be allowed for discussion. I will request some of my former college maoist friends to write something here. I hope they will come here.
pls. sage in 'IF AMERICAN AMRY DEPLOYED IN NEPAL??' thread feeling lonely without presence other posters and I request you(because I have limited time now) to accompany him in this thread so that he could not be more alone there.
Best regards,
huh
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| QreUS. |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 03:38 PM
Huh,
Yes please. Invite Maoists friends. I am dying to know their views. I am sick and tired of the information in sajha's archive about maoists that they are strange mutants whose sole aim is to burn children inside a bus or skin elderly villagers. I am sure there is more than that about them.
Once again, I warn everybody, don't call me a maoist in a mask !
Just curious
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| NK |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 03:39 PM
I must concede something here. I guess it is never too late. I have not really read that thread (Sage's). Politics served in a 18" dinner plate bores me, I must say.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 03:51 PM
"...But the way the ‘syndicate of right wing’ dominates sajha bothers me. I am indicating to the discouragement extended to ‘alternative’ views. Let’s take an extreme example, what if a supporter of Maoists posts his/her views in sajha. Let that happen and all you hear is .. ye han han thok thok mar sale lai… No intellectual discussion at all. The whole kurakani board turns into a mob. You might say, well that’s the way it is. I say there is something wrong about it. It might make the majority of people (assuming the majority of the people oppose Maoists) happy, but it will also make sajha not an ideal place for intellectual discourse. If sajha is to be an ideal place for intellectual discussion, I think, views of any ‘color, sex and race’ should be allowed to enter... "
QreUs,
Why are you bothered by the way "the 'syndicate of right wing' " (whatever this means) dominates sajha? You say sajha and this syndicate of right wing discourages alternative views but I also find you calling Trailokya Aryal's views "Bakamfoos" arguments. Whatever Trailokya wrote-wrote with arrogance and style (?)-in your opinion, could only afford to write because of the patronage of the likes of Ashu and San. Is this how an intellectual discussion is initiated ? is it not a blind accusation? I also do not agree with many points Trailokya has tabled here. It seems to me that he got nothing but praise for the Rajsanstha. I don't agree with that but I also don't call his views bakamfoos. Trailokya does not and should not need anyone's patronage to write an article here at sajha.
If the majority of the people here at sajha oppose Maoists then you should take that opposition as the fact for now. Let the defenders of Maoists persuade the majority with their intellectual reasoning but please do not label sajha as "not-an- ideal place" for intellectual discussion. World is not an ideal place. Idealism only exists in abstract, I think. I am willing to be a republican, a maoist... but let me know why should I be?
Take a look at your two paragraphs, QreUS, at the top and the bottom, here. Do you see consistency in your views?
Before I stop, I must say I read your comments sincerely and will continue to read you regardless of our differences of opinions (whatever they may be).
"...I think, views of any ‘color, sex and race’ should be allowed to enter... "
I agree. Views of any "color, sex and race" should be allowed to enter sajha for intellectual discussion.
"...Let’s take this guy Trailokya who is trying to sell that republican idea is an alien culture and people with such views don’t deserve to be called even Nepali. Such a bakamfoos argument, but Trailokya is putting it with arrogance and style. How could he afford to do it ? Simple, He knows some ‘top guys’ of sajha. His Ashu dai, his San dai. So Trailokya thinks he enjoys patronage of the likes of Ashu and San. So he feels he can write anything. (It is all theoretical, all right ?), no matter how bakamfoos it is. I wanted to test this theory, and if it is true, to let Trailokya know once for all that there is no way he can exploit his personal acquaintance with Ashu, San and others to promote his bakamfoos views."
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| QreUS. |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 03:52 PM
Just because I am defending Sage, criticizing right-wing fanaticism and showing curiosity to learn about Maoists views, all at the same time, bahndai ma poor Sage lai Maobadi ko billa nalagai dinu hai ? Just in case you thought him a Maoist. He is not.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 03:55 PM
QreUSji:
Again, I think Maoist movement has come to the point where it ceases to exist as
a political movement. It has been an anarchaic, chaotic movement that refuses to
listen to others. A Sajha.com poster, Rabindra Mishra, was publicly denounced
by Mr Baburam Bhattarai, as we all know. They don't seem to brook dissent
whenever they can.
So what is left there for Maoists? Like you, I want to know , but they are imitating
Colomiban guirilla tactics of destroying public infrastructure after walking out of
peace talks, and they have armed teenagers with guns, who perpetrate heinous
crimes. Yes, they have burned buses and kids, they have skinned a live person
who had differing view, and they are completely apolitical by now.
Sage is not a Maoist. He wrote that himself. So if someone is here who can write
authoritatively about Maoists then he needs to come forward. He needs to have
at least a modicum of resilency to weather some initial criticisms.This is a public
forum, and some people are bound to release fusillades of criticism for any type
of extremists, be it royalists or maoists. So, let's not hope any better environment
than this. Btw, I think Sage got a good number of responses in another thread
didn't he?
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| huh |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 04:36 PM
Dear QreUS.
here are some portions of prevoius threads where huh got 'gali' (like terrorist,gadha, witch doctor)from different posters. May be other posters have also got 'gali' somewhere. I don't think it's necessary to me defend myself against these baseless 'galis'. I wonder and do not understand you are always repeating that we have to defend sage as a non maoist and even we have to apologize for attack to him from some right wing fanatics. Here in sajha, everyone are responsible to their opinions themselves. I think everyone has courage to defend their postings and sage also may not be the exceptional case.
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verisoon
ID: 51503142 Posted on 05-23-02 9:18 AM Reply | Notify Me
Then terrorists like HUH howl with indignation, it's a great day for nepal. encore!!!
QreUS.
ID: 6412615 Posted on 06-04-02 1:35 PM Reply | Notify Me
Hey Huh, ......were you not a member of the same team of the witch-doctors which was conducting a vigorous witch-hunting against Sage..
can Mr. Huh tell us about himself ? Show us your resume of patriotism, Gadha
yet another fan of Sage
ID: 70376300 Posted on 06-01-02 11:16 PM Reply | Notify Me
I am sure Sage has no problem to be investigated by CID or whatever. He does not have anything to hide. See for yourself the contrast between the real name Sage used in his postings and the faceless names of Sage bashers in this board.
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| QreUS. |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 05:20 PM
My intention is not to defend Maoists. I think this disclaimer is important here.
Now let me put my curiosities.
>Again, I think Maoist movement has come to the point where it ceases to exist >as a political movement.
It is your intellectual view. I understand what you mean. I may even agree with you. But what is the reality on the ground ? What do the majority of Nepali people think of them ? Just Chor and Daka haru ? I don’t think so.
You must be aware of several ‘peace rallies’ and campaign organized by political workers, common people, artists, intellectuals in recent days in Nepal. Did you notice their slogans ? Did you ever hear the slogans like ‘Maobadi murdabad’, ‘Prachanda chor desh chhod’ (he is already out of desh :-)) ? No na ? Looking at their slogans one concludes that the vast majority of Nepali people are not supporting the government. They are NEUTRAL between the government and the Maoists. They are for political solution. They are not for the military solution. If they are for military solution, where is the rally in support of the government ? Where is the slogan ‘Shahi sena, jindabad’, ‘Maobadi lai khattam parau’ ?
> A Sajha.com poster, Rabindra Mishra, was publicly denounced
>by Mr Baburam Bhattarai, as we all know. They don't seem to brook >dissent whenever they can.
To single out a journalist is a deplorable act. And Rabindraji works for BBC for god’s sake, not radio Nepal. But let’s look at it with an alternative view. I think nobody disagree that the press in Nepal runs under the fear of the government. Almost all papers denounce Maoists. (compare it with the neutrality of the common people). There is no way telling how much of it is because of the fear. What should Maoists do if they want to counter that fear ? Spread the counter fear. In order to do that they can not say, ‘hello press, we are going to skin you’. They have to show that there is a danger for them individually. What is better than picking some big names like Rabindra or Gewali ? See ? What I mean is what if that is the part of their tactics of warning the press in general by picking up some sacrificial goats, but not really harming them ?
And who else can answer that question other than Maoists themselves. We need Maoists in sajha to answer our questions.
Please do not accuse me of taking these things lightly. I am not. I support Rabindra, not Baburam. But I am not going to close my eyes and say the state of the press in Nepal is okey.
> if someone is here who can write
>authoritatively about Maoists then he needs to come forward. He needs to >have
>at least a modicum of resilency to weather some initial criticisms.This is a >public
>forum, and some people are bound to release fusillades of criticism for any >type
>of extremists, be it royalists or maoists. So, let's not hope any better >environment
>than this.
I agree this is the best scenario if anybody comes forward.
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| QreUs. |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 05:37 PM
Huh,
Looks like you indeed got galis from them. But have you been a good boy yourself ? If you stick in sajha, you, me and many others are going to learn how to conduct a debate in non-offensive way, how to enjoy the support and cherish the disagreement and so on. We have a whole lot of future ahead of us. Let's look forward to a more interesting sajha.
I apologize if I caused you pain. I also appreciate your hunt for Maoists. But if you are a supporter of the ruling parties and that's why you are hunting the maoists, then I am going to read from the Bible- only those pick up the stone who has not sinned !
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| huh |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 05:37 PM
QreUS,
Nobody is saying that your curiosity about maoist means that you must be maoist.
but 'chorko khutta kat' bhanda chorle khutta tane jhai why so much repetition ?
wakkai bhaiyo ba ! from your warning: "don't call me maoist." time and again.
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| huh |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 06:04 PM
QreUS,
I never think myself that I am 100% good boy but I always try my best to be good and am commited to learn through my mistakes.
If cyber society cause me pain, then how could I live in my real society? I also equally welcome gali words like gadha/witch doctor/... It does not affect me.
I as a nepali citizen, could be supporter of nepali congress/CPN(UML)/CPN(ML)/RPP/samyukta janamorcha/rastriya janamorcha/NMKP/ NCP(MAOIST) or could hate all parties. It is not strange, but I have right and freedom to express my feelings and opinions what my pure conscience speaks, haven't I QreUSji? not only me, every person should and must have this right.
>>But if you are a supporter of the ruling parties and that's why you are hunting the maoists
Your this sentence is totally nonsense. I am also in against of govt. corruption/weak governance etc., but maoist issue is the biggest problem at present and that's why it seems that I am only against maoist violence right now.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 06:26 PM
QreUS whole posting is : "don't call me maoist." time and again. and
Don't call Sage a blind Maoist Supporter.
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Here, you should not ask not call you or friends a Maoist Supporter or
Maoist Propagandoists, but, your postings, the contents in your
postings should illustrate that you are not helping propaganda in
favor of Maoists. I have not seen it, and you are like that. Polpot
to Taliban to Nepali Maoists, they were always defending that they
are for peoples, but, their Hands were not synchronized with the
mouth. Your contents in postings and final claims including your mitra Sage are not synchonized. They have trade off relation, just the way Maoists have.
HG
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| huh |
Posted
on 04-Jun-02 06:44 PM
QreUS,
Some lines from your postings,
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QreUS.
ID: 6412615 Posted on 06-04-02 1:35 PM Reply | Notify Me
Hey Huh, ......were you not a member of the same team of the witch-doctors which was conducting a vigorous witch-hunting against Sage..
QreUs.
ID: 40194545 Posted on 06-04-02 5:37 PM Reply | Notify Me
Huh, Looks like you indeed got galis from them
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Aren't you yourself who gives me sweet galis?
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HahooGuru Posted on 06-04-02 11:06 AM Reply | Notify Me
QreUS wrote:nor was I after you to declare that you have no sympathy/pity for Hahoo. ....and you are just trying to seduce peoples with different interpretation. From your posting, you seems to be rallying against me. No Problem. I have no problem. I know very well that writing in Sajha.com is not easy, peoples "spinal chordless" like you will surely come and go
QreUS.
ID: 6412615 Posted on 06-04-02 1:35 PM Reply | Notify Me
Hey Huh, like me, you are still a new name in sajha. Hahoo wouldn’t hesitate to call you a ‘spine chord less’,
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Spine chord is used for you or for me ?
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