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| Trai |
Posted
on 02-Jun-02 12:28 AM
Dear all,
I am starting a new thread to reply everyone who commented on my "shraddhanjali" to Shri panch Maharajadhiraj Birendra Bir Bikram Shah dev Sarkar.
To all oh-so-intellectuals educated at Ivy League schools and in the finest colleges in the US, and who frequent this site, I apologize because my posting lacked what you guys look for--use of angreji, heavy loaded words, intellectual thinking and what not. But, I wasn't writing it to provoke any discussion. that was my heartfelt condolence to the late king who contributed so much to the nation's development. As a nepali--rajbhakta nepali--I posted that. Another thing : when you write condolence/obituaries/eulogies you don't throw in theories, you express your emotions. If I am not mistaken, I have contributed to many discussions in the past, but now my job bars me from posting anything other than personal in public forums or write articles. That posting, my heartflet condolence to the king, was PERSONAL. I wrote that in Nepali because I realzied that some things are better if expressed in Nepali, and I certainly couldn't have come up with something like that in English. Having gone to a community college where I did not get to learn all those loaded terms and to think critically, think of that posting as whatever you intellectuals want to think as--beshyabritti (prostituition), degradation of the board, panchayati shit and what not.
And I stand by what I wrote in Nepali. There are people who know nothing or do not know much about the institution of monarchy in Nepal. And there's a certain group that frequents this site to spread their REPUBLICAN views. Now, are those free of biases? No. Yes, they throw in Machivelli and Hobbes, Lock and Plato, but do they make any reference to modern day NEPALI theorists other than Madan Bhandari and Khagendra Shangraula? NO.
I am glad that people are so concerned about maintaing the standard of discussions on this board, but, to discuss, to maintain standard, to learn and let others learn, one has to be free of personal biases. This is what the board lacks. There's this group, and tehre's that group and there's a jhagada garaune group. Come on, unless you all self proclaimed intellectuals do a thorough self analysis, go back to your postings and think critically, the situation is not going to change. There will be personal attacks, there will be discussions on Me vs You or this guy vs that.. and what others, who deejected recommended get to read and learn when they visit this site? Nothing. They will just learn new gaali-galauj, learn how to be ethno-centric and develop this mentaqlity of birodh-ko-lagi-birodh (criticism for the sake of criticism). This has to change.
OK, enough of my babbling. I don't wnat to involve myself in a cyber fight with the people that I don't even know. If anyone has constructive criticism fior me, feel free to post it. Time permitting, I will post my reply(-ies).
Trailokya Aryal,
a well-wisher of Sajha from 2000.
"jai desh, jai naresh"
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| wxy |
Posted
on 02-Jun-02 02:45 AM
Look Trailokya,
You are not a kid. You are fully aware that people who have different convictions and aspirations than yours own do exist. If you have problem with that, the best thing for you is to shut up yourself in your bedroom and never go outside.
Having said that, you are fully aware that people with republican conviction dwell in Sajha Lok. Instead of giving them due respect (the same you would expect for yourself), you wrote in your Shraddanjali all nonsense about them. Now what do you expect ?
Trailokya, you are entitled to your own opinion. You can express them, disagree/agree with other's views and so on. In case of disagreement, as a responsible sajha poster, you are expected to keep 'a respectful disagreement' with the dissent, if you expect respect from them. It is plain and simple as that.
Read again your shraddanjali. And please remove those nonsense you threw against republican friends at sajha.com. If you meddle Birendra's name in very controversial subject on occasion such as his death anniversary, I think you are insulting him. Are you sure the dead soul would like to curse republicans, as you did, on such an occasion ?
I hope you are not in an illusion that republican views should not have a place in this board. As long as San Pradhan does not have problem with that, republican views are here to stay. You like or not.
Knowing your long contribution to Sajha, I feel sorry to tell you these very basic things about democratic culture. I hope you do not feel offended.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 02-Jun-02 11:07 AM
Trai,
Do not get frustrated and get burned by some extreme postings.
what I would like to suggest you is to think of silent readers, and
not to go beyond a frustration, so that the silent readers make different
opinion on you which they had made based on your long time contribution.
There are peoples who want to destablize to any stable person.
Saiyam puryauda ramro hola. Do not disappoint your readers.
As I said before, when some one attacks you from extreme end, the
best thing you should do is not to respond him. Time will respond
to his / her accusations. Its better not play with extreme elements.
No one will like extreme elements. As in math, one infinity can not
be compared with another infinity, and therefore, extremes have no
end and no comparisions. The best way to solve extreme is to invert
it, e.g. 1/infinity = 0, but, infinity * 2 = infinity. So, just be silent, you will be praised by your loyal readers.
HG
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| verite |
Posted
on 02-Jun-02 01:46 PM
YO yo yo Trailokyaji
Just wanted to tell you that i wholeheartly enjoyed that wonderful piece in nepali.
Lets start up a propaganda magazine what say you ? :)
haha..
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| duisabda |
Posted
on 02-Jun-02 04:56 PM
Dear Trai,
I hope you don't stop posting your original and interesting views just because some people jump at you...I personally thought that many of the comments and criticism against your obituary to Birendra were narrow minded, biased and lacking basic decency! What kind of a person would begrudge few kind words expressed to a dead soul? We might disagree about political views, but to denigrate someone after death is not very generous.
Granted King Birendra was no saint or saviour, like all human beings (despite being worshipped by some as Bishnudeva bhava), he had many failing and limitations and he made some bad political decisions. But one can't deny that he was basically a good person, a gentleman. This is more than we can say for many of our post 1990 netajis.
When Nepalis continue to say that they like their kings, many of the of critics fail to see a cultural logic behind the tendency. It is not always a liking for an individual, but the personification of an institution that is at the core of Nepali state and society. It is an institution t that conveys a sense of stability and continuity...a sense of order. I think this operates more at a cultural than at an intellectual level. Hence this phenomenon becomes a little difficult for those of us who have acquired republican sensibilities from our exposure in the West.
Frankly, I think a lot of folks are jealous when people say that they still respect monarchy. These people find it hard to understand why would anybody want to like a king after 1990, when Panchyat was terminated. The crucial thing is that the cultural, and not just the political, relation between the Crown and the people is much longer than the duration of any particular regime system.
So let us not feel threatened when someone expresses nice words about Ganeshman, Madan Bhandari or Birendra. They all had failings, but in their own way they tried to do something good for the country. Besides, they are all fellow Nepalis...now even the most kanjus amongst us can not deny them that in death!
Ah, the beloved country!
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| The Pharoah of Egypt |
Posted
on 03-Jun-02 01:55 PM
Well I think everyone is entitiled to expressing their opinions on a public forum like Sajha whether they are Republicans or Royalists or in between. I agree with others on this and other threads who think we need to be a bit more tolerant of the diverse opinions expressed on this forum. I have been a life-long republican, but I am willing to more than lend a friendly year to Monarchists.
They say there are three things you should stay away from when in civil company - politics, religion and the upcoming elections in your country. If you do so, then you must be willing to take on others who disagree with you. I too have opinions that many of you would disagree with but the last thing I would want to do after expressing an opinion is to start whining about the people who are posting replies. With all due respect to all concerned, were we not taught to critisize ideas and not people? It seems every now and then most discussions,which start off as civil exchanges of ideas, denegrate into judgemental personal attacks. What a waste of time and talent ...
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