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| NK |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 01:11 PM
(This is a birthday gift to all those whose birthday falls in the month of May and June. Hahooguruji, I wrote this poem because a poem that is what you wanted for your birthday. You don't mind sharing, do you?) Summertime The distant murmur of Capri, Only the memory of Cherry Orchard, Cool breeze around the Charles, Children abound, And lovers hand in hand, Do you hear the grass grow? Do you remember picking the dandelion? With a paint-brush dipped in the color of blood A big sign says – It is summertime! The glorious morning signaled by Noisy birds, And, lazy afternoons with strawberries in a glass bowl. The smell of morning grass, the heart beat of a sparrow, It is summertime! Beautiful May, and you too June. Stars seems brighter, And the low hung sun redder. Flowers tied with a delicate ribbon, On a doorstep, Red Cardinal with a pointy beak, Drinking dew from sunflowers, It is summertime! Fitzgerald cooed summertime long before, Sun is the same, so is the passion, It is summertime. Warm breeze, Blue sky and green water, White sail flurrying, In a distant horizon, Bronze sweltering body, Over the green grass, It is Boston, It is summertime. NK June 5, 2002
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| suna |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 01:51 PM
Thanks NK!! I am a summer baby as well :) A cancerian.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 01:58 PM
Even though, this is not a birthday gift for me (cuz my b'day is neither in May nor June) I took it. Did not see a sign for "NO TRESPASSING". So, entered and enjoyed. Thyanq.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 02:15 PM
NK I am winter-born. After reading your poem, looks like I have to send you a reminder for a poem around January:-) Great job.
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| jira |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 02:27 PM
NK! I am valentino (FEB 14), please get one for me too, wiil you?
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| NK |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 03:29 PM
Bronze sweltering body, Over cool green grass, It is my hometown, It is my Boston, It is summertime. Thank you all very much including Suna. Sparsha no problemo. Jira sure, I will try. and, biswo, remind me around december. so are you aquarius? You sound like one.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 04:02 PM
What kind of people are Pisces? khattam? Khatara? Bhayanak?....................Barbad? Well, Barbad reminds me a tole mate of mine. He was known as Barbad. Till this date I don't know his real name. What a name "BARBAD". Believe or not his best friend's name was "Bange". Yep, BANGE. Bange and Barbad used to hang around together. This is a story made by these people. I will write that story later. Anyway, I just wanted to know what are the characteristics of Pisces? (Biswo is aquarius and sounds like one, What does a Pisces sound like?)
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 04:04 PM
Kya jhas...There is a story... bhannu parne tham ma this is a story po lekhi diyechhu.
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| mins |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 04:34 PM
Born in May! Thanks for the poem NK :))
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 04:35 PM
Beautiful piece ! My favorite stanza is, >Flowers tied with a delicate ribbon, >On a doorstep, >Red Cardinal with a pointy beak, >Drinking dew from sunflowers, >It is summertime! And the best line is, >Beautiful May, and you too June. Superb, NK.
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| copycat |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 08:17 PM
test
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| copycat |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 08:18 PM
thanks nk! hope you don't mind. Summertime the silence is deafening the still air oppressive not a rustle not a breath to be had in this crowd of dead bodies lined on the hard packed mud floor do you hear the grass grow? a lone dandelion stands stooped its dried fuzzy head a paint-brush dipped in blood it is summertime the arid sky is luminous a blue vessel waiting its message noisy birds shatter the glassy silence the smell of dried blood, of charred flesh it is summertime you are still beautiful may, and you too june but the stars are brighter, and the low hung sun redder flowers scattered on doorsteps birds gather, their pointy beaks thirst for blood stopped some time ago it is summertime the koyal cooed its coming long before but the sun is the same, so is the passion it is summertime the still air blue sky over a scorched earth white clouds flurrying in a distant horizon a sweltering sun beats the backs of boys in grimy blue uniforms hovering over rigid bodies on mud floors it is summertime
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 08:31 PM
My Dear NK Bahini, Heartfelt thanks for your kindness. What can be pleasant than this to have a great gift for my BD, thats just 3 weeks away. BTW, I am not going to read it now, but, I want to keep my patience to wait until my real BD comes in 3 weeks. I have printed it and will be closing it in an envelope and will do "Path" when there will be Cake katne ceremony. As I wrote before, Gift I demanded, and I know its value lies more on its intended date and I surely wanted to read it now, but, I have to be honest and should keep my heart "k hola k hola". And, I am not going to read this whole thread till that day arrives, in order keep the Kabita remain secret and confidential to me. I wish you don't mind for not reading it now. Thanks a lot from bottom of my heart. I will be uploaded in my personal home page after I read it. It will be in colorful tones. HG
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 09:23 PM
My goodness, Copycat ! That’s an exact image of the picture NK had painted in a negative film. Two pictures- the same image, but painted in complementary colors. Both are real, but opposite. Now I am confused, I am lost, what’s happening ?
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| NK |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 09:28 PM
Copy Cat! I don't know what to say. I had written that poem as a birthday gift, however, your poem does not sound like a gift, does it? Imitation is the best compliment you could possibly pay they say (not-a-nkfan would be rather thrilled to see yet antoher cliche' ...] but I must say, I was a bit startled with your transgression (!). I don't write "happy poems" normally. It was a quite a bit of struggle to be able to come up with this one and when I read your poem I felt like a slap across my delicate :) :) face.... The killings and the murders must be in your mind as would be in any thinking, breathing Nepali. I suppose I do understand where you are coming from.... Still, thanks for the compliment ( Whatever I am, I am not an ungrateful b...) Sparsha, Pisces are cool! Way too cool. Bhayanak hunchan ! :)Remember, they live in the water :)? They are dreamers, that is what every zodiac book says. . To be able to tell you more I need to have your janmapatri. And, how come your childhood stories sound like almost conjured up, unbelievably sweet, and quite moving? I cannot wait to hear the stroy about Bange and Barbad. (gee, what a name!) Hahoogurji, You are upping the ante and this is making me nervous. Please don't be disappointed if you thought it was beneath your expectation. Well of course you will be disappointed if it comes out what you did not expect but just lie here ok? Just exclaim, "what a great poem, NK, wah , wah! " Last, Thank you Nepe and mins. Nepe I like that paragraph too! But somehow the "red cardinal" bit did not come out as poetic/descriptive/well just plain nice as I had hoped for...
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 09:42 PM
Kabayetri NK, in issuing us birthday-wallahs this beautiful poem, you have committed a minor crime. You have reminded me of what a gorgeous place Boston is in the summer. The verdant banks of the Charles and that warm sun. Phew...nostalgia is painful, and NK dear, you are inflicting that pain :) But really, this is very good. I liked the line "Do you hear the grass grow?" best in both your's and copycat's poem. Don't worry, imitation is the best form of flattery.
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 05-Jun-02 11:32 PM
Hi NK: I feel like boarding the next Boston-bound Chinese bus - only 15 bucks mind you - from New York City.
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| NK |
Posted
on 06-Jun-02 09:12 AM
et tu Paschim! This "kabayetri" thing is going too far! I am just an NK, ok, maybe a bohemian wanna be. Watertown is knocking on my door to ask if there are more like me around here. They are looking for way to make this town prosperous. [please refer ashu’s posting, “Urban Planning..” those who think I am talking nonsense :)] Village Voice, You are more than welcome. It would be fun!
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| copycat |
Posted
on 06-Jun-02 04:19 PM
"Transgression" and "imitation" are hardly the words I would have used, but it's your call, nk. This IS a public forum you know. I would have settled for even simply "reader response." but whatever. I am glad you are flattered and feel complimented. I am not sure what you were meant when you said, "not-a-nkfan would be rather thrilled to see yet antoher cliche." cli·ché also cliche (kl-sh) n. A trite or overused expression or idea: “Even while the phrase was degenerating to cliché in ordinary public use... scholars were giving it increasing attention” (Anthony Brandt). A person or character whose behavior is predictable or superficial: “There is a young explorer... who turns out not to be quite the cliche expected” (John Crowley). If you were referring to my rendition of your words as a "cliche," I have to disagree with you. On my part, I WAS responding to what I felt was a rather predictable poem about summertime. The images felt static - birds and flowers and what not. But I liked the refrains and repetitions. I know you meant the poem as a gift to Hahoo guru and other May babies. So as another May baby, I received your gift happily and returned it to you as a gift too. Not all gifts - especially of poetry - have to be pretty and happy. I am glad you think you know where I am coming from, but I daresay, you probably don't. Nepal is on my mind of course, but mostly my response to your poem was more about difference in aesthetics, difference in how we view poetry maybe. Suffice to say that I am glad you wrote the poem. And I am glad you take it as a compliment. I personally really enjoyed myself. Keep it up and I will look forward to responding as well.
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| maybe baby may |
Posted
on 06-Jun-02 04:45 PM
to paraphrase janis joplin's version: suuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh tiiiiimmmmme, an' tha copycatfish are jumpin'
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| NK |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 07:18 AM
Dear Copycat, I felt violated, don't ask me why After reading my response and as well as others and after nearly 24 hours later I realize how brazen my response to your response was. As I mentioned, I *was* startled - really taken aback by your poem. I felt violated. That was the reaction I posted. And, while I was hurling the epithet, "transgression" at you, back of my mind I knew you were merely responding with your own poetic way. That was not your intention (that is why I was saying "I guess I knew where you were coming from). Ke bhanu? Here Nepe comment comes in handy: "That’s an exact image of the picture NK had painted in a negative film. Two pictures- the same image, but painted in complementary colors. Both are real, ..." You know after reading your poem I felt like such a shallow person going all ga ga over what is so temporary while hundreds of my country men are being butchered. I was angry at myself more than at you/your poem.... the "not a nk fan" bit was not meant for you. I just have this maddening [ Biswo, I meant maddening here, not madding :)] habit of bringing kura from antoher unrelated thread... Now, I am going to listen to Janis's "summmmahhhhh tiiiimmee..." sounds like a great song! Happy (beleated) Birthday to you!
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| Pablo Neruda |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 08:24 AM
Everybody is talking about poems. I would like to share my best poem to everybody . Here you go!!!! Tonight I can Write. Tonight I Can Write Tonight I can write the saddest lines. Write, for example, "the night is starry and the stars are blue and shiver in the distance." The night wind revolves in the sky and sings. Tonight I can write the saddest lines, I loved her and sometimes she loved me too. Through nights like this one I held her in my arms. I kissed her again and again under the endless sky. She loved me, sometimes I loved her too. How could one not have loved her great still eyes. Tonight I can write the saddest lines. To think that I do not have her. To feel that I have lost her. To hear the immense night, still more immense without her. And the verse falls to the soul like dew to the pasture. What does it matter that my love could not keep her. The night is starry and she is not with me. That is all. In the distance someone is singing. In the distance. My soul is not satisfied that it has lost her. My sight tries to find her as though to bring her closer. My heart looks for her and she is not with me. The same night whitening the same trees. We, of that time, are no longer the same. I no longer love her, that's certain, but how I loved her. My voice tried to find the wind to touch her hearing. Another's. She will be another's. As she was before my kisses. Her voice, her bright body. Her infinite eyes. I no longer love her, that's certain, but maybe I love her. Love is so short, forgetting is so long. Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms my soul is not satisfied that it has lost her. Though this be the last pain she makes me suffer and these the last verses that I write for her.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 11:03 AM
If there is anything difficult then it is to argue with poets about their emotions. So I am not going to touch NK and Copycat regarding their feelings. However I have something to say about their two wonderful poems. Earlier I saw these two poems painting the same image but using opposite (complimentary) colors implying two versions of the same picture. Now after some thoughts, I think these two poems are not the two versions but the two parts of the same picture, one without the other is incomplete, either illusionary or hopeless. I would like to pick up NK’s confession - . Before Sajhaites start to think NK as a poet of "unhappy" poems, I want to add the following. I like "happy" poem/songs. But if I feel they are not honest, then I don’t like them. I have found most of the "happy" poetry that I have come across dishonest, and if that is a harsh word, then, meant to be a lullaby. I find "unhappy" poetry generally honest. But I do not like pessimistic poetry. I believe there is always hope (or something positive) there, however far away, however invisible, however silent. Therefore the poetry I like most are those "unhappy" ones which end with a tone of hope. If a poem leaves me at the dead end of hopelessness, I don’t like it, even though the poet may have a good intention, like making the reader to understand the things or forcing them to look for hope by themselves. OK, I am ready to look for hope myself. But I want my poet to at least tell me it’s out there. So, I think Copycat composed a great poem, but I want to end my reading with NK’s part. I want to have some sweet taste in my tongue when I finish the reading. And that sweetness should be inherent of what I was eating, not like a desert which is in fact a separate dish. NK and Copycat, I think you complement each other in this poem. It does not matter what the formal purposes were.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 11:07 AM
Please ignore the previous posting. Got in some unintended html codes (?) -------------------------------------------------- If there is anything difficult then it is to argue with poets about their emotions. So I am not going to touch NK and Copycat regarding their feelings. However I have something to say about their two wonderful poems. Earlier I saw these two poems painting the same image but using opposite (complimentary) colors implying two versions of the same picture. Now after some thoughts, I think these two poems are not the two versions but the two parts of the same picture, one without the other is incomplete, either illusionary or hopeless. I would like to pick up NK’s confession - I don't write "happy poems" normally. Before Sajhaites start to think NK as a poet of "unhappy" poems, I want to add the following. I like "happy" poem/songs. But if I feel they are not honest, then I don’t like them. I have found most of the "happy" poetry that I have come across dishonest, and if that is a harsh word, then, meant to be a lullaby. I find "unhappy" poetry generally honest. But I do not like pessimistic poetry. I believe there is always hope (or something positive) there, however far away, however invisible, however silent. Therefore the poetry I like most are those "unhappy" ones which end with a tone of hope. If a poem leaves me at the dead end of hopelessness, I don’t like it, even though the poet may have a good intention, like making the reader to understand the things or forcing them to look for hope by themselves. OK, I am ready to look for hope myself. But I want my poet to at least tell me it’s out there. So, I think Copycat composed a great poem, but I want to end my reading with NK’s part. I want to have some sweet taste in my tongue when I finish the reading. And that sweetness should be inherent of what I was eating, not like a desert which is in fact a separate dish. NK and Copycat, I think you complement each other in this poem. It does not matter what the formal purposes were.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 27-Jun-02 10:38 PM
NK, thanks for your Kabita, dedicated to summertime peoples including me. I liked it very much, and it tood almost 3 weeks which was like 3 years for me to get the time to read your wonderful and great poem indeed. Thanks a lot. I consider this as my best gift of the year. Peoples will find this kabita hanging in my room and asking who is NK indeed? K, ko kaha, kina , kasari? I just keep silence smiling over those questions, let them be jealous that they don't have access to get another kabita to suit their BD. Only one thing that identifies you as a Bostonian. thans a lot. HG
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| NK |
Posted
on 27-Jun-02 10:52 PM
Hahooguruji, You are welcome. Happy Birthday! Do you live in Tokyo?
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| QreUS.. |
Posted
on 27-Jun-02 11:07 PM
Hahooguru, As your recent postings express your joy over the blood of Mr. Krishna Sen, the second poem by Copycat looks actually more suitable for your birth-day gift. ......... a lone dandelion stands stooped its dried fuzzy head a paint-brush dipped in blood ........ the smell of dried blood, of charred flesh it is summertime .......... birds gather, their pointy beaks thirst for blood stopped some time ago HAPPY BLOODY BIRTHDAY !
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 03:21 AM
Hey Murkha Mitra, you wrote: As your recent postings express your joy over the blood of Mr. Krishna Sen, the second poem by Copycat looks actually more suitable for your birth-day gift. --- where did I say, I am happy. I am neither happy nor unhappy. because both sides were killing each other. I am in between, just a tamase. Yo maryo u maryo sunda sunda, ashu nai sakyera, aba ta kunai feeling nai chhaina matra bhaneko hun. I did not feel pity on his death, does not mean I was happy. Bro. , do not run propaganda against me, and I know you are against my postings for long time. Keep up. Tell me where am I wrong, but, don't mis-interpret my postings. HG
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| produce the goods |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 12:39 PM
>Hahooguru, > >As your recent postings express your joy >over the blood of Mr. Krishna Sen perhaps you can show us exactly where hg expressed said "joy". not pitying someone is not the same as expressing "joy over" another's misfortune. regardless, nk's poem was o-k, whereas copycat certainly has professional training in creative writing and the like.
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| copycat |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 03:14 PM
QreUS (is that curious? you know what they say, "curiosity killed the cat.") You seem to be in the business of making hasty conclusions. I think it was you who felt sorry for me and someone else for being fools who choose to live in ignorance (paradise was the word you used I think). And now here you go accusing HG of gloating over someone's death. You might try and use some more brain cells before making judgments about people based on a single posting. And though I "stole" NK's poem myself, I feel terribly offened that you are using "my words" to make HG feel bad. Shame on you!
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| QreUS.. |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 05:46 PM
Copycat, Since you sound sincere, I owe explanations. Hasty conclusion ? Nothing is a *conclusion* in a bulletin board. Everything is a running discussion. So even a hasty conclusion is fine in such a board. I am of the opinion that every posting should stand on its own. Just because you composed a great poem, you should not expect everyone to uphold every posting of yours. Each posting to its own merit. Regarding HG, if you are following what he wrote about that case and still do not pity him, then shame on you, not on me. Shame on you that you were not disappointed, like Paschim was, by HG. Yes I used your 'words' to make HG feel bad. But if you understand how disgraceful it is to fail to condemn a most despicable and heinous act (it's Paschim's word, if you do not endorse mine) like a murder in a custody, you should feel proud, not offended, that your *words* were used for a good cause. Otherwise, why on earth did you write such a 'good' poem in the first place ? Or you just wanted to offend NK ? I hope not. PTD, "perhaps you can show us exactly where hg expressed said "joy". not pitying someone is not the same as expressing "joy over" another's misfortune." I know that it is not. But if you are not getting what I meant, then I have nothing for you. To all of you who are comfortable being indifferent to what happened to Krishna Sen, you can choose to be so if you like, but let me spit at you, thukka !
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| kk |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 06:05 PM
QreUS, here are some photos sent to you from maobadis 'brave work'. these photos are specially for you and those who want to know more about 'brave work' of maobadis. click on each photos and enjoy it. http://www.gorkhapatra.org.np/photo_gallery/maoist_photo.htm note: this link is specially for QreUS who is sooo much curious to know more about 'great dreams' of maobadis. I think his demands in another previous postings are fulfilled now and hope he wil enjoy it.
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| QreUS.. |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 06:31 PM
What is your point kk ? When did I, QreUS, endorse *brave work* of Maobadis ? If you really want to discuss about the whole aspect of Maobadi war, let's start a separate discussion. Write about your views. Just don't copy-paste Gorakhapatra and Radio Nepal, will you ? And you must start the story from the Operation Romeo and Kilo Shera II. By the way, let me ask you this silly question. Why Gorkhapatra does not have pictures of the victim of the police and army ? Or there is just nobody ?
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| kk |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 06:43 PM
Hey QrUS, Aren't you the first who posted about krishna sen in this thread. This thread's heading is summertime,No connection with krishna sen. You could discuss that topic in another thread. MURKHA, did u understand? My above posting was just for' tit for tat' of your posting. >>If you really want to discuss about the whole aspect of Maobadi war, let's start a separate discussionAs >>your recent postings express your joy over the blood of Mr. Krishna Sen, MURKHA, Do you think this thread is for to discuss krishna sen? Can't you go to another thread for krishna sen?? ajha jo chor uskai thulo swor po garchha ye ganthe !!!!!!!!!!!!!! hmmmmm....
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 06:54 PM
KK, Yo Qreus le allikher pachi chha ni, Human Right ko kura garna thalne chha. ... Just keep on watching. That will be a great joke, and its usual joke in Nepal that Human rightists are Maoists and their supporters like Qreus and vice versa is also true. Thats why its a great joke. .... HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 07:07 PM
NK Posted on 06-27-02 10:52 PM Reply | Notify Me Hahooguruji, You are welcome. Happy Birthday! Do you live in Tokyo? --- Thank you very much for the message. I do not live in Tokyo, but, I am about 400 km west of Tokyo, 200km East of Osaka, i.e. in Nagoya Area. Well, if want to get some information on Tkoyo, I might be of help to you. I know Tokyo quite well, especially, some prominent sight seeing places, shopping centers, etc... HG please, send emails to : HahooGuru@Hahoo.Biz
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| copycat |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 07:13 PM
I agree every posting should stand alone. But I also believe that a single post just does not tell you the whole story about someone. I have not been following the thread on KS. I looked for it after reading your most recent post and could not find it. So I have not read what HG wrote. But again, if your objection is that HG failed to condemn what happened to KS, I would say that that alone does not mean that HG is rejoicing in KS's death. There is no excuse for Murder in custody. Neither is there for all the murders taking place in Nepal of and by maoists. I think you have to look at how the daily news of violence and death in general has desensitized and calloused people... maybe even HG. Who knows. I will not speculate anymore, but I think I was offended because what you wrote to HG seemed mean... poor guy, it was his birthday for god's sake. Also, I think your hurling "my" poem as a gali was rather upsetting.
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| copycat |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 07:13 PM
I agree every posting should stand alone. But I also believe that a single post just does not tell you the whole story about someone. I have not been following the thread on KS. I looked for it after reading your most recent post and could not find it. So I have not read what HG wrote. But again, if your objection is that HG failed to condemn what happened to KS, I would say that that alone does not mean that HG is rejoicing in KS's death. There is no excuse for Murder in custody. Neither is there for all the murders taking place in Nepal of and by maoists. I think you have to look at how the daily news of violence and death in general has desensitized and calloused people... maybe even HG. Who knows. I will not speculate anymore, but I think I was offended because what you wrote to HG seemed mean... poor guy, it was his birthday for god's sake. Also, I think your hurling "my" poem as a gali was rather upsetting.
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| Robert "flake" |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 09:54 PM
Hk how old are you? that's only if you don't mind. Nice "color" and good "painting", summer sunny as ever. RF
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| what? |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 10:26 PM
QreUS means listen: Qeer-R-US Not that something wrong with that. Be happy, chap.
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| QreUS.. |
Posted
on 28-Jun-02 11:37 PM
Copycat, you wrote "There is no excuse for Murder in custody". That's my point. And also that there is no excuse for not condeming it. I repeat again that what HG did was inhuman, and there is no excuse. Although I do not want to pull NK's good name and intention here, it is ridiculous to read that a passionate poem like hers is being hanged on the wall of the most insensitive (Hahoo's own admission) man like HG. HG, you read my mind. I was indeed going to talk about the situation of the human rights in Nepal, specially the awareness and the commitment of the politicians, the police and the army about it. Now I am a joker in your eyes, amn't I ? Well, one of us is very funny man. That's all for now. kk, thank you for the honor of Murkha. How old are you, re ? Anyway, I hope you will grow up quickly. And finally, I am really sorry for *polluting* one of a few rare good thread like this one (sorry NK and Copycat) in the process of spotlighting a pollutant itself. But good people should have no difficulty to shift through dirts to find the gold. Uhi QreUS slowly but surely acquiring the status of a celebrity in Salha. Hehehehe...
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| sorryBUT sorryBUT |
Posted
on 01-Jul-02 04:31 PM
just gotta love it when people fake apologize with that "sorry....but" crap. and then there's "sorry...but" 's cousin "sorry...if". suppose it's a step up from spitting on people.
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