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| Rajib Sharma |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 03:14 AM
Last time, when I discussed about the Interview of a Kashmiri Seperatist Muslim in this forum and some of forum member also ojected to my view against Muslim. For those people and the editor of Spotlignt piblished that interview which was against the Hindsu. For those people who think Muslim as good as hindus, I am presented this Daniel Pearl's Video.
http://prohosters.com/pearl/
Rajiv Sharma
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| KG |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 10:24 AM
Mr. Sharma:
You are blaming an entire religion based on the action of a few muslim fundamentalists. I don't think it is rational to blame all muslims. With your rationale I could also give you examples of many other religions that have a few individuals that misinterpret the holy books. I think it would be wiser to separate the many good muslim around the world and the few renegade fundamentalists. I am not a muslim, but I have a good many Tibetan muslim friends, who would shed tears for Daniel Pear's death just as any other individual would.
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| dasein |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 10:55 AM
Some of the Nazis didn't hate the jews either. So the argument goes.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 11:14 AM
If they did not hate jews, they were not Nazis. Period.
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| KG |
Posted
on 07-Jun-02 02:27 PM
Dasein:
Thanks for enlightening me with your Nazi and muslim comparison. I am neither Muslim nor do I support any fundamentalist groups, I simply believe in just depiction of any group. Islam is world's fastest growing religion and your assumption that the every muslim is like the killers of Daniel Pearl is appaling. I am just an outsider offering my independent opinion. If you disagree, let me know and back it up with some concrete evidence. Anyone can throw around views that have no backing.
Respect
K
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| Rajib Sharma |
Posted
on 08-Jun-02 03:11 AM
Hey guys,
This kind of opinion is really regrettable when people try to fight with fact and people try to protect muslims. Though, I am not saying as bad, but definitely sizable muslim population are prone to violence and intolerance. No matter of where muslim live they have always fight with other religious followers. I want give an example of Indian sub continent in 1947 when the British left there are almost 20-30 millions Hindus used to live in Pakistan.Now there is no any hindu live in Pakistan and only few Hindus live in B'desh. Thnx for Islamic tolerance.
On the contrary in Hindu India 47 millions muslim become 140 millions muslim now. Now you tell me, who are the tolerant people Hindu or Muslim?
It may be true Israeli took some land from Palestine but Jews developed modern country from desert where many Muslim Palestine getting jobs.
See, Nigeria, Muslim are fighting with christian, thousands of christian are killed and their property are burn down by the Muslim, thnx to the Islamic tolerance.
In Saudi Arabia, if non-Muslim died, you cannot cremate, the dead body send beck to their country. Still they follow the sharia law which permits them chopped off thief hands,. Women are thrown stone to dead for adultery in Saudis Arabia.
Rajib
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| tiramisu |
Posted
on 08-Jun-02 04:17 AM
it is indeed, regrettable that muslims all around the world are being vilified for the work of a few fundamentalists, although it is alarming to see how deep its roots run through.
i agree with the notion put forward by KG.
it is this attitude(vilification of all muslims without prejudice) which unfortunately, is among the greatest fallacies of a human being, that invites more divisions amongst the already divided human world.
when we adopt a narrow minded perspective about one religion, we are not allowing the moderate followers to justify their position, which leaves them cornered, and , with no defence, they have just one option: strike back.
as far as the argument about population growth of muslims is concerned, followers of this religion are barred from using birth controls by virtue of their faith. we cannot blame the mostly illiterate, allah-fearing faithfuls just because they are helping to balloon the population of the world. what is perhaps needed might be beyond our simplistic views and a radical makeover in the education/health systems in moslem countries. afterall, they know it better than us, them having people to've actually gone through the hardship, difficulties because of the impact of having too many children.
to sum it up, i believe in having faith in tolerance and keeping an open mind. afterall, in vilifying others, it just brings out the devil in us for all to see.
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| KG |
Posted
on 08-Jun-02 03:50 PM
Dear Mr. Sharma:
I had explicitly stated in my earlier opinion that I am neither Muslim nor am I a Muslim supporter. Frankly speaking, I have been disillusioned with organized religion for creating division amongst people, namely hindu vs muslims, catholics against protestants, and so on and so forth. That my friend, is a historical fact.
While you have cleverly told us the evils that Islam has done so far, please refresh your world history. Have you heard of the Crusades that the Chrstian church sponsored? How many innocent muslims and arabs died then? How many Native Americans died when they refused to believe in the Bible when the Spanish conquistadors came over to South America? With all due respect, I know hindus have died by the hands of muslims in India, but you conveniently disregard the fact that your great saint Gandhi was assassinated by a Hindu fundamentalist. I did not want to go into great historical detail to express my belief, but you have compelled me to do so.
Moreover, when it comes to the Palestinian cause, here again it is sad that a few individuals in Hamas have tarnished the entire Palestinian people. I know many Palestinians personally, so don't give me this bull about they have this tendency towards violence. That is like saying the "matwalis" in Nepal are prone to drinking, fighting etc. If you do hold this view, then please read some books by Dr. Harka Gurung or any other ethnic group member, that has achieved academically and politically.
And finally once again, I do not mean to make it sound like I am supporting Muslims, I am merely speaking against gross generalization, stereotyping, etc.
Peace,
K
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 08-Jun-02 05:51 PM
Rajib ji and all others,
I think it is time to put the 'facts' in other perspective. Some moderate Moslems
who are fighting to preserve sanity within their religion would feel marginalised
by sweeping generalisations like this one.
Btw, I think Nepali Moslems are wonderful peace-loving people, and our streets
will never witness ugly Gujarat-type or Calcutta-type religious riots. I dislike
people like Bin Laden, Arafat, Abu Sayyaf, and groups like L-E-T(in Kashmir),
Al Aqsa, Hamas etc for their denigration of Islamic faith.
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| Another guy |
Posted
on 08-Jun-02 08:58 PM
Mr KG,
Let us talk about facts and things right in the present and let us not drag this discussion to the days back in the Crusades...all the religions in the world have grown up to become more decent and considerate EXCEPT ISLAM ... which is become more and more murderous day after day....and thanks for your database about fastest growing religion .... everyone knows how a murderous religion becomes the fastest growing .... can u site one islamic country in the world that can be termed as civilized in any possible way ...i would say there are some good people who happen to be islam ... but the story would have been different if he starts considering Islam in a serious way .... All the good people who happen to be Islamic,the day they start taking their religion seriously they turn into murderers ..of the mass level .. they dont murder a few ...they do in mass volume ...
And the fact about Nepali Muslim being peaceful is a rotten crap ... wait until thier population becomes propertionate to hindus ... u will see nepal will be just like any other country where there are Muslims ...a terrorist nation..
SO MR KG .. EVEN I HAD ISLAMIC FRIENDS ... THANK GOD THAT THEY DID NOT PROPERLY BELIEVE KORAN ... OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN ALQAIDA NOW....
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| abcd |
Posted
on 09-Jun-02 10:22 AM
I would like to cite an incident related to this discussion. A Muslim friend of mine, from pakistan, asked me what the religious distribution was like in Nepal. I gave him the approximate figures and he asked if there were any religious conflicts there. He was surprised to hear 'no'. His reasoning- "I can't believe that there are no conflicts when there are around five per cent Muslims. Muslim nature surely invites some conflicts but I am surprised there are no such riots happening in your country."
Even a general Muslim feels likes that. From that day on, I tend to believe that Muslims have a bit of violent element in them. I wonder what it would be like if there were a little more Muslims in Nepal.
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| KG |
Posted
on 09-Jun-02 11:17 AM
This is my response to another guy. I can't let clueless cowboys fill the discussion with their idiotic assumptions and ridiculous stereotyping. I am sorry if I seem to be dragging this discussion, but this is deomocracy and I can't let such a view go without some counter attacks.
and thanks for your database about fastest growing religion .... everyone knows how a murderous religion becomes the fastest growing
My question for you is how can you blame Islam for the murderous acts of Terrorists like Bin Laden? Calling Islam a murderous religion is a bold statement and I hope you have some evidence that backs it up. Though I am not an expert on Islam, I believe Islam to be just as respectable as any other religion. Your false statement implies that a vast majority of the world's population, that is muslim, are potential mass muderers, which is tragic.
can u site one islamic country in the world that can be termed as civilized in any possible way
Have you ever heard of Brunei? Are you going to tell me that all my friends' dad that work in Brunei are
working for a uncivilized, potentially murderous country? I seriously doubt that. I'd be more careful about statements like that if I were you.
...i would say there are some good people who happen to be islam ... but the story would have been different if he starts considering Islam in a serious way .... All the good people who happen to be Islamic,the day they start taking their religion seriously they turn into murderers ..of the mass level .. they dont murder a few ...they do in mass volume ...
And the fact about Nepali Muslim being peaceful is a rotten crap ...
Oh and you would like to think the state sponsored hinduisation of the various ethnic groups was for our own good. Perhaps like the Christianization of the Natives in the Americas--the educating of the "heathens". My friend, it is closed minded people like you that make situations like the hindu muslim conflict in India. Let us not put all the blame on the muslims alone in India. The day they
start taking religion seriously they turn into muderers?Brother/sister,please....enroll in Philosophy 101 before you make such irresponsible and blatantly offensive remarks about people you seem to have no idea about. By the way, are you working for Rumsfeld or Cheney?
wait until thier population becomes propertionate to hindus ... u will see nepal will be just like any other country where there are Muslims ...a terrorist nation..
Nepal is already heading in that direction thanks to a shameless group of so called leaders, who are destroying the country worse than Lewis did Tyson last night. Most of these cash hungry dogs have turned the peaceful mountain kingdom into Gaza or West Bank. Our youth in the remote countryside are so desperate and so much without hope that they fell victim to Baburam and Prachanda's trap. Terrorism is already alive and kicking back home, read the news man. Lastly please
lose that hatred for all muslims , for hatred will only destroy you
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| ashu |
Posted
on 09-Jun-02 12:11 PM
abcd wrote:
he asked if there were any religious conflicts there. He was surprised to hear 'no'. His reasoning- "I can't believe that there are no conflicts when there are around five per cent Muslims. Muslim nature surely invites some conflicts but I am surprised there are no such riots happening in your country."
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Sad to say, the above is NOT quite true and that the truth is somewhat more complicated.
Just a couple of years ago, there was an ugly Hindu-Muslim riot in the
Nepal Gunj area. And precious little was done -- by the civil society, by the press and by the government to quell the unrest then. And that was not for the first time in that area.
To play Kanak Dixit's favorite, if repetitious refrain, not a single Nepali social scientist has deemed it worthy of his/her time to study those instances of Hindu-Muslim danga in Nepal.
It would be more accurate to say that Hindu-Muslim tensions are there, are palpable in Nepal -- but it gets diffused in ways more than one. But its seeming disffusion is no reason for the rest of us -- Muslims or non-Muslims -- to thump
our Nepali chests and sing the putative harmony ko nationalist songs.
As a liberal Hindu who has quite a few Muslim friends, I fear that days may not be far off when that tension finds a virulent concentrated outlet -- ultimately bringing shame, humiliation and tragedies in Nepal. After all, there is always this danger of some fanatical preacher playing followers of one religion against the followers of another religion to serve his own narrow interests.
And so, we in Kathmandu-centric Nepal CANNOT close our eyes, chant the usual
"sundar shanta bishal" mantra, and arrogantly claim that what happened in Gujarat recently cannot happen in parts of Nepal.
On another note, till early 2001, I used to travel a lot through the tarai part of Far Western Nepal, and in border-towns there, I used to see a lot of influence of so-called patriotic, pro-Hindu group called, well, Nepali Shiva Sena, a group whose parentage variously include other groups such as:
India's pro-Hindu (Bombay-based) Shiva Sena,
India's national Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and
India's Rastriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS).
This Nepali Shiva Sena had these kitschy calendars, in which, looking at the photographs, Hinduness and Hindu virility (by way of weightlifting competitions
of local Hindu youths) seemed much emphasized.
[For more on this seemingly odd connection between Hinduness and Hindu virility, there is this great documentary by that famous Indian documentary film-maker Anand Patwardhan. Sorry, I forgot the name of that documentary.]
The local Hindus seemed, at the time, closely watching that the local Muslims
were adding -- funded through donations from the Gulf countries -- Madrasas
(i.e. Islamic religious schools) one after another in the locality.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Another guy |
Posted
on 09-Jun-02 05:33 PM
Mr KG,
Everyone here can see that you are a Muslim guy and please dont try to be modest..although many Muslims feel ashamed now to admit that they are Muslims thanks to the Islamic Suicide Bombers ....perhaps we should forget about flying the rest of our lives ...
Let us go point by point ...
>>My question for you is how can you blame Islam for the murderous acts of Terrorists like Bin Laden?
--For your information nearly 90% people consider Bin Laden as a good man ...although the opinion on killing people at a mass volume might differ among different muslims ..
>>Have you ever heard of Brunei?
--Sorry that is a 100% Muslim nation ... of course if a country has completely muslim public ..whom are they going to fight with ....
>>Oh and you would like to think the state sponsored hinduisation of the various ethnic groups was for our own good. Perhaps like the Christianization of the Natives in the Americas--the educating of the "heathens".
--About the Hindu terrorism,that is something that is not supported and accepted by 99.9% Hindu population..and is purely a political agenda rather than a religious agenda ...and trust me Hindus hate them more than Muslims ...Hindus are not threat to the whole world ... Muslims are .. with the Islamic nuclear bomb that they have announced ...
About the Native Americans ....that is a thing of the past ...all the religions did some crappy things in the past .... this discussion is more present oriented ....
>>Nepal is already heading in that direction thanks to a shameless group of so called leaders...
Again this has nothing to do with religious terrorism ....and the agenda is nothing about religion ...
>>wait until thier population becomes propertionate to hindus ... u will see nepal will be just like any other country where there are Muslims ...a terrorist nation..
ASHU HAS GIVEN ALL THE DETAILS TO THIS QUESTION .... PLEASE READ THAT ..
You like all the rest of the Muslim population is just trying to defend/justify the Islamic violance and trying to put the blame on the rest of the world ...
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| KG |
Posted
on 09-Jun-02 11:36 PM
Dear Mr. Another guy:
Your unrelenting effort to judge, generalize and even predict other people's religion is amazing. Time and again, I have stressed that I have no particular religious attachment. I was born a buddhist, but I just find the philosophy fascinating. I am not a practicing buddhist. I am sure that is not enough for Mr. Guy, so here I go: My last name is Gurung, and how many Gurung muslims do you know in Nepal? If you do, let me know, I would like to invite them for tea.
It seems you simply want to ignite the fire of hate, make unnecessary and unjust remarks about a group of people that are alien to you. History has proven again and again what that leads to--the hindu-muslim conflict, just to name one. Well, I am sad it has taken off even in Nepali Terai region. However, a more balanced approach would be to stop both militant Hindus and militant Muslims from starting such a lowly fight in the name of religion. How ironic that the same person that takes so much of his precious time to throw acidic opinions about muslims does not see the dangers of the Shiva Sena (The Shiva army). How different is that from the militant muslim groups?
Do not be afraid to admit wrong, millions of muslims are people too just like you and me. Calling them potentially murderers just makes your life miserable not mine, for I believe in the goodness of the human spirit. Why do I defend the muslims if I am not a muslim? Plenty of reasons--I know what it feels like to be different and not accepted. I know how it feels when White people stared at me and my good friend, who is black, like we were potential criminals when we walked by anywhere even in bright daylight. Too many good people have died because rest of humanity was watching the execution like it were a circus. We already have poor Magar brothers and sisters dying while the rest of the country is watching helplessly. Our problem as a people--too much talk and no action. I will not sit back and watch you treat all muslims like they were criminals just because they worn born muslim.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 10-Jun-02 02:00 AM
Muslims in Nepal know that they are a teeny-weeny and relatively voiceless minority. That is one reason why they, by and large, try not to upset their
Hindu neighbors and try to get along. They are acutely aware of their
marginalized status.
Up in the hills, for instance, Muslims -- wearing daura suruwal, topi and guniyo-cholo -- are well woven into the local fabric of life, earling their living, as they do, as churautays (i.e. bangle-sellers) and so on.
In Pokhara, recently, the whole town -- composed of Newars, Gurungs, Bahuns, Chhetris and so on -- felicitated their local poet laureate who happens to be a Muslim.
All things being equal, what I -- as a liberal Hindu who is proud of Nepal's ethnic and religious diversity without being sentimental about them -- FEAR in Nepal is this unchallenged, chest-thumping, arrogant and blind kind of Hinduism --
the one that takes its cues from their foaming-at-the-mouth masters in India . . . the one that celebrates musclepower and trappings of virility to intimidate Muslims and followers of other religions . . .
the one that is so convinced of its own authority, supremacy and superiority that it runs roughshod over the feelings of others . ..
the types, in short, that run the local chapters of Vishwo Hindu Parishad and Shiva Sena . . . the folks who want nothing to do with all this "democracy nonsense" and who are pissed off at the way the Nepali State is "caving in" (as they see it) to the demands of various ethnic minorities . . . the folks who are quietly raging and fuming inside, waiting for an outlet to vent their frustrations.
And so, more than the Muslim minority, what we, especially Hindus in Nepal, need to remain vigilant about ways to temper/mitigate/channel the angry feelings of these potential-to-be-extremist Hindus among us so that nothing untoward of religious nature happens in Nepal.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| tiramisu |
Posted
on 10-Jun-02 09:28 AM
mr. kg has reiterated that he is no muslim supporting no muslim agendas.
i applaud his honest portrayal of the human nature that-if left unchecked- is so self-destructive, not just to oneself, but the hideous ways in which it leads others around him to cave in too, through his underlying propogandas.
yes, as ashu put it, potential riot/division inducing elements are lurking in these troubled times in the disguise of friendly, religiously identifiable 'followers'. we need to be more wary of these elements and not let nepal be the playground of yet other religious fanatics.
we have remained united until now, why let division reign amongst us now and end up becoming the reason for mockery,pain, and tears? LET NEPAL NOT BECOME ANOTHER REPETITION OF GUJARAT.
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| visitor |
Posted
on 10-Jun-02 12:39 PM
if you don't believe...
search for Chapter 9 of Koran and you should see ample of order that Koran gives to muslim asking them to take violenece action non-believers and let them live peacefully if theyr follow islam..
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Jun-02 01:37 PM
How about this analogy?
Some years ago, Ratna Nagar youth club used to organize football regularly in
Tandi, Chitwan. A lot of other local youth clubs used to participate in the
tournament. And there was a lot of bitterness among these groups. They used
to fight frequently, but the most bitter fight I witnessed as a teenager was that
between Tandi and Rampur. I saw people fleeing the football ground bleeding and
crying. Even today, there are plenty of people in Tandi who think Rampures are
very rowdy. Ditto exists between other towns too.
Just somedays ago, they (football fans) rioted in Moscow, resulting in death of
1 guy out there. Riots related to football are aplenty in today's world.
Then, why, my dear friends, was football not banned, not considered to be
promoting violence? In fact, wasn't it pretty ironic that football was a contender
for Nobell peace prize last year?
So, here my argument goes, yes, there are riots, there are fights, there are a lot
of rebellions related to Moslem community. And yes, in Nepal too, there was this
communal riot in Nepalgunj (based on my relatives who live there's account, it was
not as big a riot as the football-induced one in Tandi), but it is because Moslems
are mislead by bad leaders like Bukhari, Arafat, Saddam Hussain etc etc. So are
Hindus in India. Let's not blame it to Islam.
--
And finally, the latest census showed that only 80% of our population is Hindu.
2% less than that of India. And yet we are not a secular country, officially. Is
it wrong if some non-Hindu leader asks for removal of this 'secularity' thing from
constitution? Aren't we as liberal as India?
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| Another Guy |
Posted
on 10-Jun-02 08:36 PM
Mr KG,
Now that u made me look like the worst man in the planet i have to admit the truth.I am a Christian and have no bias/favor against any particular religion.I believe in the complete freedom of faith and belief.
And i am glad that you being a Gurung guy have so much religious tolerance ...i appreciate that my dear friend...
What i speak here is all based on whats happening around the world and the way people in the middle east celebrated when the Trade Center hit the ground ....and they were all common people.. not terrorists ...I see how the people around the world are supporting thier cause ...and donating money ....
I have nothing againsts anyone here .... i wish these people felt the same way you do ....
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| Major |
Posted
on 11-Jun-02 09:05 AM
Abstracts from the Koran (translated):
4.34 women are inferior and should be whipped if they speak up
5.52 never trust a Jew , never make friends with Xtians
9.33 cut off limbs of prisoners of war
6.33 democracy is against Islam as allah's laws -amputation , stoning
women to death cant be changed
8.40 wage war till Islam rules the planet
9.5 slay the idolworshippers wherever you find them
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| KG |
Posted
on 11-Jun-02 09:29 AM
Biswo:
Thanks for bringing some sanity back to Kurakani. I have nothing against you personally Another Guy, I wouldn't judge you if you were Buddhist, Christian or Animistic. As long as you are a good human, I think that's what's important.
I would just like to tell you that today's media is not as ethical, not as responsible. When the World Trade blew up, sure pockets of Palestinians celebrated. Even the American media themselves admitted later that it was only a statiscally insignificant number of kids and adults that cheered. Majority of Palestinians are victims, man just like our poor Nepali brothers and sisters. Yes, they are victims of both fundametalist muslims and right wing Israelis like Ariel Sharon. Just as our brothers and sisters in the remote areas are victims to both the messed up government and the moaist rebels. Therefore, for us to say that all Palestinians are somehow terrorists, to generalize in such a way is like saying all people in the remore regions are Maoist rebels and need to be crushed. That is all I was trying to say all along. If we can distinguish between the peace loving civillians and the Maoist rebels, why not separate between regular Palestinians and some extreme elements in their society like the Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
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| Yohan |
Posted
on 12-Jun-02 11:13 PM
As long as the Muslims in general hate Jews and Christians and are in support of violence and terrorism world-wide to bring the world under sharia law, they are a real threat to the others. Few sane persons can be excluded individually from this generalisation if there are any among professing Muslims.
Muslims have occupied the Holy Temple Mount in Jerusalem, the indivisible capital of the Jewish State where the Jewish Temple stood till 70 AD. They did not recognise the Jewish State when the Jews after the holocaust saw the need to have a homeland and returned to their native homeland after over 1800 years in exile. They went to war against Israel. They are in war with the Jews everyday accusing the Jews with their fabrication.
Muslims have occupied the temple site at Ram Janam Bhoomi in Ayodhya and are at war with the Indians (some of the fighters being Indians themselves, showing a disrespect to the history of Nation).
They oppress other minorities to extinction, a case of extinction of Hindus in their traditional homeland in the Indus Valley (where the Hindu Civilisation founded, along the valley of “Hindu Nadi”). Hindus in Muslim Bangladesh are a languishing few where as in the predominantly Hindu India the Muslims have more than doubled since partition. Hindus in Kashmir are the daily targets of separatist Muslim fighters where reason has not come back to gain the confidence of those who fled their homes in hundreds of thousands to go back home.
They have no respect for human rights for others although they demand the same from others and get the full share.
Bla..bla..bla...
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| KG |
Posted
on 13-Jun-02 10:57 AM
Yohan:
When it comes to the Israel-Palestine case, don't try to portray the Jewish people as the victims, for that is plain wrong. You have been thoroughly brain washed by the media if you believe that to be true. The Jewish interest group in the US is so strong it is apparent when both the House and the Senate jointly announced their support for Israel when the White House wanted to be seen as a more balanced entity during the Israeli incursion recently. Sharon has been a Zionist since day one and has bulldozed many a Palestinian home to create settlements for the Orthodox Jews. How long can the Palestinians let Sharon and his like to take away the land, that they have called home since time immemorial. Oh by the way, are you not aware of the massacres of Palestinian refugees by some right wing Christian militiamen. The same massacre, where Ariel Sharon was found indirectly responsible by Israel itself.
I have admitted that there are renegade group of Muslim fundamentalists, who do violent acts in the name of Islam. However, it is wrong to blame all Muslims for their actions. Destruction has been done by the Christians too if you want to go back in history.
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| Yohan |
Posted
on 14-Jun-02 03:16 AM
>Sharon has been a Zionist since day one and has bulldozed many a Palestinian home to create settlements for the Orthodox Jews. How long can the Palestinians let Sharon and his like to take away the land that they have called home since time immemorial.
“Time immemorial” is historically wrong. Israel was a Sovereign Nation for more than a millennium. Their territory being between the river of Egypt to the river Euphrates. They were dispersed for wickedly rejecting the promised Saviour and demanding that Caesar was their King. After much bearing, in 70AD their king Caesar destroyed their Temple and the Nation and the living Jews then dispersed outside their country into the World that was under the Roman Empire.
The place was later occupied when the Mohammeddans built a mosque on the erstwhile Temple mount, in 700AD? when the Jews were in exile. So it is not the legitimate home of the Palestinians. Historically, the Palestinians lived in the Gaza area and that is their legitimate home. However, if they in the Israeli territory submit to the authority of Israel and do not take up arms to kill everyday, with the intention of destroying the “Zionist State in the midst of Arabs” there should be peace and prosperity for everyone. But Muslims with conceited zeal of Islam with the aim of ruling the planet one day, do no recognise any authority besides themselves. The Arab Nations all around: Syria, Iraq and Iran, Jordan, Egypt all, powerful and ancient Nations are set in array against the small, tender Nation of Israel. Reason- to prevent Israel set up the Temple on the third holy site of Islam. We see lot of reason for Israel to defend themselves and their National interests even by odd means.
You see when one is not having a wife why should the other have a third, that being one who was betrothed to you? I put this illustration for understanding only. The real issue is most serious and deserving a careful attention. It is a complex issue judging by reason and logic of this world. When we seek the Divine Will, all things become easy and peaceable.
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| Yohan |
Posted
on 14-Jun-02 03:35 AM
Why should not the Americans support the cause of Israel when no one looks on the causes of Isreal with favour. If Christ was an Arab Muslim and not a Jew, the Christian communities would be in support of the Arab Muslims. But this is the case of the rights of the Christ that the Christian communities hold for which the Jews enjoy the Christian support.
And you know the muslims are taught in their Quoran not to make friends with Christians or trust the Jews. They have to suffer for that.
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| KG |
Posted
on 14-Jun-02 08:59 AM
Yohan:
Thanks for your history lesson. But I don't see why all Christians ought to support Israel even when it is clearly occupying parts of Gaza, which you say is rightly Palestinian land. People like you blindly support a cause with no regards for lives of hopeless Palestinian youth, suffering mothers etc. And Israel a tender nation? Get a grip on reality. I hear it has one of the best Air Force in the world.
However, that is not the point. Palestinians should suffer under Isreali might, instead of getting a land to call home, a fee Palestine is what you believe. I do not support radical Muslims that are in Palestine, giving all Palestinians a bad name. At the same time, I hope you could some day understand the longing of a Palestinian youth to live freely without any occupying power. That is what the European nations and the world understands, except for American diplomats and people like you.
I could care less whether Jesus was Arab muslim or Jew or African. You are a hate monger at best and may your God have some sympathy for you on your day of judgment.
Palestinians are humans first and then Muslim just as Israeli Jews are humans first and then Jewish. I have nothing but love for Jewish people. One of my best friends is Jewish. His take on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: There is a small piece of land and both group of people want most of it.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 14-Jun-02 01:06 PM
Another Guy!
ANOTHER GUY WROTE
And i am glad that you being a Gurung guy have so much religious tolerance ...i appreciate that my dear friend...
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE ABOVE LINES? DO YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT GURUNGS HAVE NO TOLERANCE? ARE YOU AGAIN GENERALIZING PEOPLE??
JUDGING YOU WITH WHAT YOU WROTE YOU SEEMED TO BE A RACIST.
bHENDA
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| Another Guy |
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on 14-Jun-02 08:46 PM
Mr Bhenda,
Sorry that my language got interpreted in the other way i expected ...
I just appreciated him for his kindness ...and i muddled up my words ...
But i also know how Tolerant nepali people are as a whole ..leave aside Gurung people ...
This Gurung Guy's extreme display of tolerance is beyond any imagination can go right now ... especially at this hour when the Muslims across the world are hell bent on doing such crappy things ....thats how my use of gurung word got interpreted in a stupid way .... thanks to you...
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