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what or who is a hacker?

   halo guyz, i have been going 09-Jun-02 himanshu chhetri
     hey Himanshu I always wanted to learn 10-Jun-02 badmas
       YA'LL PEOPLE SOME WANNABE'S 29-Jul-02 dee_chan
         A TRUE HACKER IS A PERSON WHO FINDS SECU 29-Jul-02 dee_chan
           Hacker: There is a community, a sha 29-Jul-02 ?


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himanshu chhetri Posted on 09-Jun-02 12:17 AM

halo guyz,
i have been going through sajha.com forums and it seems people have a mis-understanding about the true meaning and identification of hackers and hacking.
people seem to think that hackers are fun loving and mischieveous teenagers that access other people's PC with a trojan, crash and deface sites by trying out DoS attacks and using ready made exploits from the net to harm other people's PC's and server's. BUT THAT'S WRONG ...... THESE PEOPLE ARE KNOWN AS "SCRIPT KIDDIES".
A real hacker is a talented person who likes to find security holes and vunerabilities in systems and actually helps to tighten security are known as hackers. hackers can actually help a country like nepal to emerge in the IT field. hackers are the "robin-hood" s of the twenty first century.

hackers in nepal
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though there are literally hundreds of wanna bes and script kiddies nepal lacks real hackers (there are some really talented hackers though).

companies like NTC have many security holes and even after e-mailing them ...they take no actions to fix their holes......

script kiddies like recently arrested saroj joshi are potrayed by the media to be hackers....

- HIMANSHU CHHETRI
"let the information addiction begin"
badmas Posted on 10-Jun-02 12:11 PM

hey Himanshu
I always wanted to learn more about hacking. can you help me out?
badmas
dee_chan Posted on 29-Jul-02 12:06 AM

YA'LL PEOPLE SOME WANNABE'S
dee_chan Posted on 29-Jul-02 12:21 AM

A TRUE HACKER IS A PERSON WHO FINDS SECURITY HOLES ON THE NETWORK OR DOMAIN OR SOME SHIT LIKE THAT AND RETRIVES OR DESTROYS OTHER PEOPLES INFORMATION. FOR EX REVEALIN PASSWORDS. REVEALIN PASSWORDS LEADS TO ONE HING, THEN THE OTHER. SOON THE HACKER WILL BE LIVING UR LIFE. OR IN MY CASE, DELETE THE BOOT FILES(i am lazy), ISNT WORTH MUCH BUT FUN THING TO DO WHILE U ARE AT SOMEONE ELSE'S COMPUTER OR AT A PUBLIC ACCESS COMPUTER.

AND BTW, BOUT THE SECURITY HOLES FIXING, GOD U GOTTA BE KIDDIN ME I MEAN WHY WOULD A HACKER WANT TO FIX SECURITY HOLES FOR...

FINALLY, I DO ADMIT I AM NOT ELITE BUT MY FRIEND IS. WE ONLY HACKED 2 WEBSITES TILL CURRENT DATES, CUZ THOSE WERE OF OUR FRIENDS... HE IS NOW THE SCHOOLS SECURITY FOR TECHNOLOGY AND STUFF. BEFORE HIM I WAS, NOW I GRADUATE. WE HAD A INTERVIEW FOR THE CHANNEL 7 NEWS. IT WAS COOL.

I CAN JUST SAY YOU ARE NEW TO HACKING(2ND ONE), GOD DAM IT, TRY TO GO TO SOME WEBSITES WHERE THEY TEACH U HOU TO HACK AND IF U DONT KNOW ANY, I CAN LIST 3 ELITE SITES FOR NOW. MY ELITE FRIEND IS IN PROGRESS OF BUILDING ONE OF HIS OWN. I ALLREADY HAVE MY OWN E-MAIL ACCOUNT OF HIS SERVER. EHEHEHEHEHE, BOY THAT WOULD BE FUN. HAHAHAHA
? Posted on 29-Jul-02 12:30 AM

Hacker:


There is a community, a shared culture, of expert programmers and networking wizards that traces its history back through decades to the first time-sharing minicomputers and the earliest ARPAnet experiments. The members of this culture originated the term `hacker'. Hackers built the Internet. Hackers made the Unix operating system what it is today. Hackers run Usenet. Hackers make the World Wide Web work. If you are part of this culture, if you have contributed to it and other people in it know who you are and call you a hacker, you're a hacker.


The hacker mind-set is not confined to this software-hacker culture. There are people who apply the hacker attitude to other things, like electronics or music -- actually, you can find it at the highest levels of any science or art. Software hackers recognize these kindred spirits elsewhere and may call them "hackers" too -- and some claim that the hacker nature is really independent of the particular medium the hacker works in. But in the rest of this document we will focus on the skills and attitudes of software hackers, and the traditions of the shared culture that originated the term `hacker'.


There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people `crackers' and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word `hacker' to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end.


The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them.


If you want to be a hacker, keep reading. If you want to be a cracker, go read the alt.2600 newsgroup and get ready to do five to ten in the slammer after finding out you aren't as smart as you think you are. And that's all I'm going to say about crackers.


The Hacker Attitude


Hackers solve problems and build things, and they believe in freedom and voluntary mutual help. To be accepted as a hacker, you have to behave as though you have this kind of attitude yourself. And to behave as though you have the attitude, you have to really believe the attitude.


But if you think of cultivating hacker attitudes as just a way to gain acceptance in the culture, you'll miss the point. Becoming the kind of person who believes these things is important for you -- for helping you learn and keeping you motivated. As with all creative arts, the most effective way to become a master is to imitate the mind-set of masters -- not just intellectually but emotionally as well.


Or, as the following modern Zen poem has it:



To follow the path:
look to the master,
follow the master,
walk with the master,
see through the master,
become the master.


So, if you want to be a hacker, repeat the following things until you believe them.

-----Eric S. Raymond
Linux advocate/Hacker