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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 16-Jun-02 01:40 AM
Suyog Bhandari of Shishu Niketan English School, Pokhara, Kaski district bearing the Symbol Number-0414905 W topped the board by scoring 90.38 percent while Lagika Shakya bearing the symbol number- 0324648L of Little Angel’s School, Lalitpur scored 88.88 percent. Both of them have scored higher than the last year’s toppers.
(read details in KOL)
Congratulation! to Syog and other SLC Passouts!
HG
PS: It gives us (Pokhareli Peoples) very ANANDA to hear schools in
Pokhara are working well. May Pokhara become "Pokhara Science City"
one day. HG
Personal suggestion to Suyog, Don't become an engineer. Engineering
is a profession that stucks you after you get an Engineering Degree.
If you have guts, study Social Science, or Law or Biz. or economy,
but, not engineering. Engineering is good for louzy peoples who
are not social or have no ambition beyond being salary oriented engieer.
Did you ever hear an Engineer getting prize like Nobel Prize? Because
an engineer can not bring a major changes in society, but, if you
really have interest in natural science study Pure Science,
or Chemistry or maths and your contribution to society will be great,
but, enginee as a goal of your life, is probably a dumb's dream. Well,
I am one of them. If you want to challenge, then study social science,
or Law or Biz. and bring a differnce in society, but, if you can not
cross the river "social science or economics or biz. or pure natural
sciences", then, you may find yourself among garbage like peoples,
who play tricks to get into positions. What I mean is if you want to
become most successful man, and if you think you can achieve your
dreams, then, engineering is not a best path, but, social sc. or
economics or law might be most interesting and most demanding
when you find a lot of peoples are left behind. Well, if you want to have
9am-5pm life with kids playing around you, then, engineering is
a good dream, because you will have better life than other middle class social
or economics or biz. adm. graduates. So, decide where do you want to
stay after you graduate? Especially, when you cross the age of 40years?
Well, best option for top class students from developing countries would be
to get frist degree in engineering, then, move to biz. adm. or social
studies or economics and finally, end up with a Ph.D. in human science.
Because the first degree in engineering, reserves your position in job
market, and 2nd or third degree willl move in you leadership positions.
Dr. BRB is a failed architect, because he entered in engineering profession,
while his ambitions were far from an engineering profession, and he would
have served very well and positively if he had gone for social studies or
economics or law studies than the eng. profession. Architect, which looks
one of the most famous profession among SLC Board First students, but,
will make you stucked if you can not switch to other social sc. subjects
immediately after you get the first degree in an eng. discipline. This is
my observation. Don't let Nepal find you another Dr. BRB after 20years
later. BRB probably did not have enough counseling, before he joined
the indian univ. for B. Arch. So, have enough counseling before you
decide your future. Avoid from being stucked. I am sure those Board
First Nepalis who went to non-engineering profession are doing best
and at least better, than those who went to engineering. For SLC Board
First Nepalis, engineering is not a best option, think of joining social
sc. economics, or biz. adm or public adm. and I am sure your contribution
to Nepal will be wonderful and positive and you will bring a lot positve
differences. I am looking forward to seeing such differences.
HG
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| ccr |
Posted
on 16-Jun-02 02:01 AM
i am happy i am a product o0f the school.
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| fren |
Posted
on 16-Jun-02 10:07 AM
Passouts?
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Jun-02 11:59 PM
This year, the national pass rate is: 31.22 per cent.
This means that 7 out of every 10 SLC candidates failed their SLC exams.
Next year, the similar pass rates will come about.
And so on for the next few years.
If you add up the numbers of SLC-failed students for, say, the last 10 years
(since 1992), the only conclusion you can reach is: The majority of our semi-educated, literate 15-26 year-olds are SLC-flunk-outs -- unfit, by Nepal's
laws, even to be a hoolaki in a post office.
We as a nation spend a lot of money to send kids to school.
Half the kids don't make it to the Class 2.
Of those who make it to the Class 2,
half don't make it to a level beyond Class 5.
Of those who make it to the Class 5, more than half
again don't make to the SLC ko test level.
And of those who make it beyond the SLC ko test
level, two-thirds of them FAIL the SLC exams.
For anyone concerned about Nepal ko bikas, this kind of attrition
rate -- in today's more and more information- and knowledge-based
economy -- is heart-breakingly depressing.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Terminator |
Posted
on 17-Jun-02 12:48 AM
HahooGuru,
Just one minor correction: There are many engineers who have got Nobel prize. One recent example is Jack Kilby from Texas Instrument who invented integrated circuit 1958. He studied electrical engineering at the University of Illinois. He received Nobel prize for Physics for 2000.
I think engineering is a great field, not much different from physics. What matters is if you are a "good engineer" or a "lousy engineer". In my view, a good engineer always question the fundamental assumptions and tries to improve things. A lousy engineer will do his job by following a cookbook.
Please give your own profession a bit of respect....
Jusy my two cents worth...
Terminator
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 17-Jun-02 03:03 AM
"He received Nobel prize for Physics for 2000"-----
This is what I was trying to tell. Thanks for telling it.
I meant you should have u-turn yourself finally, to science
not to engineering if you want to be successful. Well,
the borderline between engineering and pure science is
blurred day by day. Thats why I was telling him not to seek
to be conventional engineer that Dr. BRB had to turn
himself to act as politicians.
In developed countries, a cookbook engineer is not different
from a desk clerk, and the job he do and a desk clerk do
are all regular jobs for which you do not engineering degree,
but, a good training at a company where you work. That
is why the education system in Japanese Univ. is surprising to
me and other fellows from developing countries where we
were taught to be classical engineer. You have a set of
manuals, design books, ........... a set of FREE TECHNOLOGIES,
and you are read to perform your actions. But, in developed
countries, where FREE TECHNOLOGY, as Bill Gate Opposes
Free stuffs, are dumbs cookbooks, that does not require
you to have formal education of 4 years in univ. Now, the
conventional univ. degree will mean nothing, and therefore,
you need to have / own something Unique (speciality) and that
uniqueness should be PATENTED or TRADEMARKED to make
you sell in market. If you such unique capabilities, you even
don't need univ. degree, as proved by Bill Gate. Therefore,
"engineer" that our parents taught us to be engineer, from
morning to evening even before we knew A, B , C in studies,
is no more a hot cake among genius ( chk. spl.). Well,
the former Tsukuba Univ. President, who invented printed circuit (?)
/transistor in collaboration with SONY founder, was also
"formerly" an engineer, but, later turned to be scientists of physics
and this is where your destination lies and this is what I was
suggesting him as SLC Board First to head for. Get first degree
in engineering, then, move ahead towards being a scientist:
either social science or in pure science, but, don't stay as an
engineer, that will stuck your ambitions.
Well, I do have respect to my profession, that does not mean
I should highjack someone who can serve better than joining to
my profession via some other methods. And, we know in todays
world, we need more good peoples in social science than in
engineering and pure science. Today we (engineers) are
highjacked by low graded social science graduates, and we need
to ask talents to switch to socail science, economics, public
adm. and law. Only talents like Suyog can change the quality of
professionals in social sc., economics, and public adm. and law.
We should not have frustrated and failed engineers finally ended up
as social sc. profesional like Dr. BRB. That will be disaster to us, and
before it becomes late, let us ask them to have complete course in
social sc. or economics or public adm. or law from beginnning, so that
they know the subject in depth and give new ideas to world, and
Nepal. I am sure Dr. BRB would have been a better administrator
if he had studied social sc. or economics or public adm. or law from beginnning.
Let us not give birth to another set of Dr. BRB. But, a new set of Paschims
who have positive thinking.
HG
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| Kanchi |
Posted
on 17-Jun-02 11:15 AM
CCR,
Do you know Denika Sharma?
Kanchi
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| Mitra 2 |
Posted
on 17-Jun-02 11:17 AM
You brought up a very good point, Ashu.
On another note, it would be nice to know how this literacy rate in Nepal is calculated. Nepal's 37% (if it is still same) literacy rate is based on what? If it is only reading and writing one's name, then would it be safe to say that 1/2 of Nepal's kids never go to school?
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| QreUS.. |
Posted
on 17-Jun-02 02:05 PM
Yes, Ashu brought up indeed an important issue. How detrimental SLC has been for Nepal ko bikas has not been seriously discussed anywhere, at least to my knowledge. It is also interesting to note that Mr. Sage, a vehemently witch-hunted name in Sajha kurakani, had brought up the same issue of SLC and had argued that it is better for Nepal to remove this system. Big shots of Sajha seem not taking notice of that. Anyway, here it is again and QreUS is very curious to learn about how Sajha Think Tank think about this issue.
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| bhainsi |
Posted
on 17-Jun-02 03:18 PM
Does anyone know the students who made it to Boards. It seems only the topper in each category (male, female) is given. How about Top 10 students.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 17-Jun-02 07:07 PM
What I had been advocating everytime I meet Nepalis who talk
on Nepal basic education i.e. upto 10th grade, is to let everyone
go to higher grade based on school attendance, not from the exams.
Since these grades are designed to make peoples literate "know read
and write and understand some mathematics, sc. and social manners".
I wrote it long time back that a classmate of mine at Grade one
studied Class 1 for 5 years and finally, dropped out because he could
not go to Grade 2. That example always asks me to provoke the
rigid exams which are only the yard stick to go to higher grades should
be dismantled for the sake of creating "POSITIVE THINKING" among
peoples. As we want to give free education up to grade 10th, why
should government take burden by failing the students and teaching
them in the same class for several years. Grade (class) level should
be determined by age not by the exams. It is immediate need in Nepal.
When I came to Japan, I realized it more and more and I can see
why Japanese have 100% education, the first reason is the education
is not forced, but, friendly, and you are not forced to get 32% in the
exams to go to higher grades. Well, there are several other reasons,
but, lets keep talk here.
Second thing we need to think of entry and exit in univ. education
and secondary education. There should be No SLC exam and
instead of it, let there be two kinds of exam to get admission into
college studies: (1) national level exam (without pass fail), but,
with scores. (2) college 's specific entrance exams
(1) national level exam (without pass fail), but, with scores:
This exam may be carried out to asses who lies where in the
score board to get better college. It should be like TOEFL exams
and valid only for 2-3years, but, it is not a diploma, but, just
to make sure that you deserve what kind of school. Then, the
schools can say, we seek students above 500 score (say full mark
is 1000) and invite them to appear for our college 's entrance
exams .... Now, this trend is seen at Univ. or Bachelor level
entrance exams. Where Univ. (e.g. in engineering Pulchowk
campus takes such entrance exams) and put peoples in pool,
well, if you are above thresold score, then, you might get
admission in the particular college in merit basis ...
Today, Nepal Engineering college left TU and went to Pokhara
University, because the exam system in TU did not let them have
monopoly in blackmailing the students for money, and they, moved
to Pokhara University to manipulate entrance exams such that they
can hire students who do not qualify any college under TU, but,
they can buy certificate at NEC. Nepal needs to have some
advanced intake system.
My conclusion is:
1. Till SLC, no one should fail. Attend classes and go to higher grades
irrespective of percentage in the final exams.
2. AFter 10th Grade, let us introduce another exam in replacement to
SLC , College Admission Qualifying Exams. Let this be carried out under
Ministry of Education. Very similar to SLC exams, but, exam centers
can be confined only at colleges, and this exam will ease those students
who have no intrest to go for higher studies after 10th grade.
3. After college, let admision become tough, but, let almost everyone
exit very easily. Now, we can get admission very easily, but, exit
is too difficult because of "NO REAL CLASSES" and hard exams.
In Univ. education (Bachelor) too we should make admission tough,
i.e. only those who really want to study should get admission, but,
not beyond the capacity of classes, and let some one get good edcuation
once he gets admission, but, the exit should be made more comfortable.
Now, our education system is upside down, "Admission is easy,
graduation is tough", and it should be other way round. Unless we have
such advanced but liberal education system, we will have graduates
who will seek white collar jobs only. That is the problem in Nepal, even
a SLC graduate in Nepal seeks only desk clerical job or other Kalam
chalaune kaam, while SLC should be qualification called as "lekhna
padhna janeko manche", nothing more. So, SLC exams are creating
a very strong eletrified borderline, and if you pass SLC exam, you
feel really great, and think a got a license to get white collar job only.
This is why we find SLC graduates hanging in the offices of our
politicians, because they say "maile SLC gari sake, ma lai kalam chalaune
kaam chahincha".
We have give new dimension that Grade 10 is a bottom line to be a
lekhna padhna janne ko manche.
HG
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| Okil. |
Posted
on 17-Jun-02 10:33 PM
Hahooji, I am impressed with your views. It is a delight to hear such a sane and thoughtful view. Otherwise, your usual extreme right-wing political ramblings and lack of Netiquette were a total disappointment. (No offense, Sir.)
Oohi
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