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| nepalipan |
Posted
on 18-Jun-02 10:52 AM
What happened to Ram Chandra Poudel? I though, he was a responsible leader. These days he has changed his position/lobby so frequently. Sometime he is with GP and some time with Deuba.
He seems like just other power hunger basterds.
Minister for agriculture
Speaker
DPW
Per this morning’s KTM post news, now he is with GP. Now he is trying to be next General Secretary????????????????? For me, he is no different than Govinde Raj Joshi.
Do you think Ram Chandra Poudel is a reliable leader with some values and commitments???
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| Sagun |
Posted
on 18-Jun-02 01:40 PM
Yes,
He is much more better then Govindha Raj Joshi.......why he is Assitance Secretary of NC party coz Girija Choor wants to rise him and puch back to Ram Chandra Paudel. Do you know how many vote Ram Chanrda and Govinda Raj got last year from Pokhara Mahaadivesion ma????
I believe still Ram Chandra is 100 times better then Govinda Raj........hahahahaha. How is it????
Nepalipan, thanks for your time and coments
Sagun
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 18-Jun-02 07:10 PM
Whether you like or not I am blind supporter of Ram Chandra Poudel,
first reason, I met him when I was child, and when he was hiding in
someone's home in Pokhara. That was my first day to meet a
"wanted" Congress, and at that time I even did not know why peoples hide.
Well, I had seen one Kangress in my own village who was hated by
villagers just because he was kangressi, and peoples used to tell
us that don't talk with his family, because Police will take you to
custody and beat you like police did on him. . . .. . When 2036
came, I saw him again, but, not in hide, in open air in Damauli. . . . .
Well, in 2036, Ram Chandra, Govinda Raj Joshi, Amar Raj Kaini,
Krishna Chandra Pokharel (the son of another "live or dead" wanted Kangressi
leader Govadran Pokharel (whose head was valued to be Rs. 5,000
in 2017)) were jailed on the same night and were jailed in Pokhara
SP Karyalaya ... When RC Poudel was released on Baisakh 1, 2037,
I rushed to see him at shop in Damauli .... I really liked his capability to
influence peoples. Last year, he left Girija over Girija 's lingering attitude
and now too, Girija is trying to linger and there needed someone to
stay, in order to avoid Girija gang capture NC headed by Girija and
keep some room for Deoba to merge again. I am sure because of Ramchandra's
presence in Girija Congress, Deoba will Dhilo or chado merge in the
kangress and Ramchandra will do his best to withdraw the expel. Its just
matter of time and Ram Chandra has to stay there, as long as Deoba
faction do not have 2/3 majority to capture NC. Ram Chandra's continuation
in NC has not proved his failure, but, reinforced his strenght and position
in Nc and it is certainly not the thing Girija Gang wanted. Now, Girija gang
have a big burden because of presence of Ramchandra and it will surely
be his win when he will bring both Deoba and Girija back into same room,
and solve the problem, and that time Girija will be out of chair and that
chair will be occupied by Ram Chandra, because only Ram Chandra will be
the most acceptable personality in NC. Its Ramchandra who got highest
vote in Pokhara Mahadhivesan. So, Ram Chandra'S popularity will always
remains high as usual, because of his non-alliance. Deoba should understand
it and I am sure Deoba is clever enough to understand the presence of
Ram Chandra at NC (Girija).
Lets see the new developments in Nepal's NC.
HG
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| Chela |
Posted
on 18-Jun-02 08:59 PM
Gurudev (HG),
A "blind supporter" does not need any reason whatsoever to justify his/her judgement!
Ke ho? Ramchandre Guru ko sasur ji ta haina? la...la...guru ji moj garnus...
Guru ko Chela
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 18-Jun-02 09:29 PM
12barsa ramayan sunayo sita kasaki join bhane jasto. MA kina
Ramchandra ko fan bhe bhanera tyatro bachha dekhiko
nali beli lagaye aayau chela yasto. Kasto chela timi ta. Nata
ta ma raja sanga nai lagaidina sakchu. Mero sasura jyu college
ma padhda khukhar communist re, mero hajur ba Raja-badi,
mero hajur-ama ko maiti pattika sab Kaski ka famous Koirala (jaha aaj
hospital le bisthapita garidiyo uniharulai), 2033(?) ma BPK Pokhara
ma land garnda khojda budha ko dari samatera lageko re pulish le ti koirala
budha lai . . . . . mero talla ghare bhai chha ek khukhar Amale communist,
and hamro hajur bako hali chhora ta Maobadi bhe chha, TKP ma
pani usko naam ako thiyo .... ... . .... Tyasaile yo rainbow world
ma nata bad hoina, kaam bad hunu paryo meri priya chela. Kasai ko
halla ya nata le kohi FAN hunu ramro hoina tara, professionalism
develop gari professional capability anusar kasko fan hune bhanne
kura decide garne ho. Ma tyahi anusar, Ramchandra ra Sher Bahadur
ko great fan / supporter bhako chhu. I am positive that Ram Chandra
's presence in Girija Congress will remain headache for Girja's blind
supporters, and that will be an important thread for Deoba's merger in
near future. Well, it will not take more than 1 month, for Girija to withdraw
his decision and let Deoba return to NC with Bada Ijjat. Girija ko bolima
thegan chhaina, you will see it. Deoba will be returnnig with great
ijjat in NC. Well, Deoba's ek assitant happened to be my Karate Guru
in my college days. Thats what we were surprised to meet at Deoba's
residence sometime back when I went to meet Deoba. Well, I had met
girija in group too, but, I was not impressed with his style of talk
quality of topics ..... when he discussed things with Keshar Jung Rayamajhi.
Well, I liked Keshra J. R. very much and he is not communist leader,
but, he was better doctor, and he endorses this too. Whatever number
of peoples I met so far, I like RCP and Shere. Well, I liked Dipendra too,
after I met him in Tokyo last year, but, he is no more with us. Dipendra
was different prince, than we had been told, he was very frank ....
He did not use "Timi" with us, "Tapai haru .. . ".
HG
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| chela |
Posted
on 18-Jun-02 11:24 PM
Guru dev I got it! Guru dev ko "Ram bhakti" atal rahos bahnne subhakamana!!!
But in my view, Ram Chandra Paudel is one of the great Jokers in NC. He often claims that he is the chief ideologue in NC. I have read his political articles in Kantipur and other newspapers, but these are not any better than a high school student's eassy (good for a grade B) on social studies course . The last one in Kantipur was really "great" (in which he correctly argued that NC is nothing with out SATTA)not in terms of any political insights but rather in terms of his admission that how SATTA is everything for him. As the saying goes "sankat pareko bela ma satya ko udghatan hunchha", Ram Chandra must have been imagining his Halat without the satta sunderi and happened to speak truth. I think within NC, he is the only ONE, who always cunningly managed to stick to the chair, and now he is nervous to take the pain of losing chair! I am curious to see how he fares as a "democratic" leader without SATTA.
There is no shortage of villians in NC (KGB,wagle etc), but the good things with these villians is that they are "sincere" in letting people know what they are. But, in case of Ram Chandre, he is not different from these well known villians in terms of NIYAT and conduct, but this chap is so cunning that he is able to give a mis-impression that he is clean, principled and only idelogue within NC. Even our "smart" guruji (HG) fell in his trap!
Guru ji risani maf hos! Guru ji ko "Ramchandre Bhakti" le "mero guru bhakti" ma kunai pharak parne chhaina,
Guru ji ko Chela
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 19-Jun-02 01:18 AM
Chela wrote : Even our "smart" guruji ..
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My dear E chela, yo guru ji lai kina yasari "pyachha bhanchou", ma ta
ek dumb guru hun, tyasaile ta mero naam "HahooGuru" chha.
Tyo "smart" jhikera "dumb" Guru lekha ma happy hunchu.
Timi tyahi 4 byaku km tadha bhayera pani bhetna saki raheko
chhaina. Chela au yo summer vacation ma sangai bashi
Ram Chandra ko bare ma aru discuss garou. Well, nepal ma
Satya badi raja haris-chandra paune sapana nahera, kun
kam kharab chha tyasalai grahan gara. Sakchou bhane
priya chela jou lada Chunab ma, maile kehi sahayog garna
sakchu bhane Let me know, how can I help you. Remember,
yo guruji ko bhsad le ta timle paune 3 vote (your , your wife's
and mine) will remain 3, neither up nor down. Khai mero HFC
members le pani Vote nai halnu parda timlai chahi delan ki
nadelan, maile anurodh garda ta dinu parne ho tara bichara
desh bahir chhan, kasari timlai sahayog garlan ra. Je timi jasta
desh bidesh ghumi sesh bhaka pani yahi mero yo thotro "dumb"
bhasad lai "smart" bhanchou bhane desh ma ko chhan tani
yaso herda, hidda suddi buddi bhayera bisudda manche haru.
Jou ba mera chela jou, Nepal ma gai vote lada, Ram Chandra
ko khoiro khanema dui char aru vote aunenai chha. Ma ta deu
ghat gai basne bhaneko ho, ke garne pension wala jagir khaiyena,
tyaha pani kasari jibika holara. Yaso chunab jitera tyo deu ghat ma
Ro Jin Center kholideu na, hai, yo guru budho hune bela samma.
Dherai dharma hune chha.
Jai hosh chelako. Satya badi Haris-chandra jasto bhaye. Satya
ko lagi lade. Bisuddha bane.
Take care.
HG
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| kk |
Posted
on 24-Jun-02 10:34 PM
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kantipur_html/kantipur_news4.htm#4
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 01:28 AM
Kulchandra Neupane seems to also come from Damauli Area?
Is there anyone to confirm this fact? He might have studied at
Nirmal M.B. in Damauli. BTW, Dhurba Wagle moved to Deoba
and thats good indeed in the perspective of Deoba. Deoba's
biggest failure will be to keep Bijay Gachhedar, SS Bhandari,
Chiranjabi Wagle, the most corrupt guys, in his gang. Because
of their presence in Deoba Kangress, the Deoba will lose its
importance. But, the image of Deoba's corrupt ministers will be balanced
by single man in Girija Gang, who could be that man? Peoples should
guess his name?
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I am sure you must have guessed the name correctly. He is as you
guessed Govinda Raj Joshi, who did not have money to buy a good
Polyster ko Pants, and now owns several houses in KTM, In Tanahu,
and it is said that his Saat Puste natedarall made Bandobasta. As
long as this cunning, and thug remains as joint Secretary General
of Girija Kangress, Deoba kangress will not have much effect. The
Girija Kangress today can not over throw GRJ, and if they can not
throw him, Deoba kangress can not have zero importance. I think
Deoba can make some money to fight Maoists (the lack of money
in budget to fight terrorism), first by attacking on Govinda Raj
Joshi's personal property that he gathered in last 12 years. GRJ
has collected more than few million dollar equivalent Nepali
rupees and foreign currency, and that will be good enough to
use in war. Similarly, TAX invasion can be complained against
girija suputri, and can make another Billion ruppees from that
ugly woman's account too. Well, problem lies whether Deoba
has guts to do so or not. If he has guts to do it, he will make
a good space in Nepal history to be written later.
Deoba should use Dhruba wagle like peoples, and gradually phase
out Chiranjibi wagle like peoples. this is theoretical idea, but,
will never find space in Nepali politics. Because Nepali politics
is made of thuggs, chor and fataha.
HG
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| jhor |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 02:04 AM
Hahoo dai, you say these things so easily without thinking what Sher Bdr was before he became a PM. Now he has a Durbar near Budhanilkantha, a Pajero, interest in a consultant company company trying for multi-billion hydro projects. These are worth few crores.He says it is daijo. But do you know that in NEpal daijo is taxable and he has not paid this tax. Do you remember he was in Australia last year with his in-laws for brokering a hydro project deal. This is just an example.
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| Chela |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 02:24 AM
Gurudev (HG),
I appreciate your goodwill towards NC and your desirable scenario- Ram Chandra taking the helm of Girija congress and uniting Deupa congress and kicking our GRJ, KBK, BG plus wagle.
Gurudev, you may be partly right. There is a high possibility that all these corrupts (including KUJAATA) will find a place in BHADRAGOL and NAKKHU. See the news in todays newspaper that Deupa has met ex secreataries. The significance of this meeting is not simply "a meeting" but these individuals are prospective candidates for to-be-soon-resuffled Deupa cabinet. Deupa knows well (if not him, his "advisors" know) that the so called Mahaadhibeshan, explusion of Girija and Deupa's election was basically designed to devastate the NC for the good of people and country. I do not think Deupa is serious to lead the NC (in current form and shape). So, all these media propoganda is just to weaken the NC establishment (Girija) rather than strengthen Deupa's leadership. Most probably, election commission will freeze the NC flag and TREE, a final blow to congressia!
I guess when KBK, BG, CW and others go out to arrange the so called rallies and mass meetings, Deupa will give them a surprise by resuffling the cabinet. He will pick up mostly ex civil servants with clean public image. This will be followed by the active enforcement of recently introduced anticorruption act. And to our Guruji's delight, GRJ, KBK, BG, CW will issue a press release from Hanuman Dhoka, claiming the move as a great conspiracy against democracy.
.....in such political landscape, Ram Chandra is just a "sodaigomi"......Sorry guruji to disappoint you again!
Guru ko Chela
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| patriot |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 02:29 AM
Sher Bahadur Deuba is honest. Chiranjibi Wagle is honest. Khum Bahdur Khadka is honest. Bijay Gachhedar is honest. DB Lama is of course very honest. Sharad Singh Bhandari is honest. Bal Bahadur KC is honest. Bimalendra Nidhi is honest. Gyanendra Karki is honest. Arju Deuba is honest. These are Royal Nepal Army's All the Honest Men and Women of Nepal.Yubraj Ghimire is honest. Kishor Nepal is honest. Mathabar Singhh Basnet is honest. Prakash Man Singh is honest.
Girija Prasad Koirala is corrupt. Ram Chandra Paudel is corrupt. Sushil Koirala is corrupt. Shailalja Acharya is corrupt. Narhari Acharya is corrupt. Mahanth Thakur is corrupt. Bal Bahdur Rai is corrupt.
Give me a break guys. And change your dictionaries.
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| nepalipan |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 11:39 AM
The article (link given by KK), reflect the reality about Ram Chandra Poudel. He is the one who can not be trusted -- and he is not predictable.
Poudel is as power hunger as Govinde Raj Joshi. Most importantly, Tanunge are tired of his DWAID CHARITRA!!!!!
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HG Jee,yes Kul Chandra Neupane is from Southern Part of Tarun. Mr. Neupane seems frusted with Poudel as any other Tanahunge voters.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 07:25 PM
Hearing on House dissolution continues
Hearings on the writ petitions seeking reinstatement of the House of Represenatives and annulling of its dissolution continued at the Supreme Court for the third day Monday.
Advocates Devendra Nepali, Dr. Tara Prasad Sapkota, Mithilesh Kumar Sinha and Keshav Pandey pleaded on behalf of the writ petitioners while Dhurba Koirala and Harihar Dahal pleaded on behalf of the 56 Nepali Congress Parliamentarians.
.... rest at nepalnews.com
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I wish a great success to the friend of mine: Dr. T. P. Sapkota for successful
win in this series of Hearings. Being Alumni of same Univ. and his neighbour,
I am proud of his participation in the writ. Well, I am a guy like a refree in Football,
who gives "good luck" message to both side captains. Well, some of us might
say "dahi chiure Guru". I am neither fundamentalist, nor ultra radical. Just
a great Guru, who wish both side win, and I know it never happens, unless they
settle it, and the settlement is through the path of Ram Chandra Poudel,
and I am very much optimistic that RC Poudel will succeed to bring Deoba back
and while bringing Deoba back to mainstream NC, the Khume will also come
(its unfortunate part), but, as I said before several Kacho (do you guys know
kacho: kacho = jhus in Basko sutla or = the jhus in Jhusilkira) will be left
out of NC. In this end, Giirija will have to compromise several things. What
I see here is Girija will compromise with Deoba if they accept Sujata as an
appointed CWC member, and in this compromise Girija will sacrifice Arjun
KC and GRJ, because they are "ekai choti chadhaiyeka manche", and are
good in sacrificing like Bhakku Rango during Dashain. You will have to wait
to see that GRJ and Arjun N. KC will be sacrificed like a Bhakku Rango.
Well, my dear Chela, I understand what you mean "so-dai-gomi" (now, I know
you are "my" real Chela, hahahahahah......, haina ta. itsu kuruno kochhi e.
natsu yasumi no toki iijanai desu ka? Kitte kudasai. Mo sugu ju-hachi kippu
ga hajimari so desu yo. Kajoko no mina sama he yorosiku ne).
Ja Mata Ne.
HG
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 07:32 PM
>the Khume will also come
Guruji, why do you want Khume back to NC? I thought NC should be thankful to
these guys that they left voluntarily. Too bad, people like Govindra Raj Joshi
didn't join the Khume, Gachchadare, Bal Bdr KC etc..
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 07:43 PM
RC Poudel :"DWAID CHARITRA!!!!! "
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Dear,
It is very hard to remain neutral and create your own position at the
middle. RC Poudel will remain at the middle for long time, and he will
be working hard to bring these two extreme radicals into one bottle.
As someone wrote, Girija realized in since 1977, when was made
Maha Mantri of NC and then, made PM that he can exploit NC for
anything, because the person of his quality could become SG
and PM of Nepal means, he can promote any idiot to any post in
NC and in Nepal Govt. Thats why he is promoting Kujata, GRJ and
Arjun KC. Girija always claims when he is position to lose his
post, "Prajantra khatara ma chha" and reinforces his position,
whenever NC CWC has possibility threaten to Koirala family,
he again shouts, "Prajantra khatara ma chha" ..... Koirala
family is now using this phrase "Prajantra khatara ma chha"
like the story we used to hear as kid : One husband always
told his wife "Pani taataide bhaneko, natra .......", and the
Bichari wife was scared of Husband's threaten, "natra ke
garne ho feri" . . . ... and such threaten continued for
years. One day morning she was so frustrated and tired of
the "Pani taataide bhaneko, natra .......", and she asked
"Natra ... ke garne bichar chha". The Husband replied,
"natra ke garne hunthyo, chisai pani le nuhaidinchu".
Koirala family is also threatening Nepalis like that "Natra ...
" story, and skin head Kangressi supporters also now
afraid of "natra .... ke hune ho" and they always supported
Koirala, and they stamped all others, who have their own
identity as Dwaida Charitra .... Peoples should realize that
NC will run better if it get rid of Koirala family, and KPB had
shown it and RCP will also give it, as same as Indian was run
better by outside Neharu family. We must promote deoba
and RCP to be leader in NC to counter the monopoly of
Koirala family.
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 07:55 PM
Biswo wrote: Guruji, why do you want Khume back to NC?
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Dear Biswo ji,
I don'T want Khume back to NC, but, Deoba can not stand alone
without khume, because Deoba's backbone is Western nepal's vote,
just the way girija 's back bone is Estern Nepal. Khume has strong
influence in Western Nepal, and in the "Welcome back" bargain
./ settlement Deoba will find another threat from Khume and therefore,
Deoba can not be back without Khume. If Girija kangress has guts
they should pave red carpet to Deoba alone "if you want come back
to NC alone, all actions will be withdrawn", but, Deoba knows that
without Khume he will be a Cobra without "poison carrier" teeth.
The influential "Barga" in Western Nepal is usually made of peoples
who have good personal relation with Royal Family, and they won't
let that "barga" be left out. "$#$FSDFWERWRW" (=Gajyangujung ke)
thing are there.
HG
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 09:37 PM
I think Ram Chandra Poudel, like Tara Bhat, made the right decision by staying in the real Nepali Congress. It would have been a mistake on Poudel's part to have deserted NC just because of a minor irritation in the form of Govinda Joshi in Tanahun. Poudel is a premier-in-waiting. His alleged wavering reflects more the tensions good men face when subjected to unclear incentives. Despite the dilly-dallying, they try and resist the temptations. When they succeed, that's good news. But to understand the criticized wavering on Poudel's part, people should go back at least 35 years to around 2024 saal. Yes, much has happened since. Bagmati has become filthy, and many a Congress idealists have become criminals. But still tensions in the Nepali Congress today reflect a "clash of culture" between two schools: one groomed by KP Bhattarai in Nepal. They are the likes of Ram Chandra Poudel, Sher Bahadur Deuba, and Chiranjivi Wagle. The other stream was groomed in Banares by the exiled BP Koirala whose top cadres include Shailaja Acharya, Chakra Bastola, Sushil Koirala, Bhim Bahadur Tamang (and to a lesser extent the very young Khum Bahadur Khadka). Everyone else in the second generation Congress are temporarily inflated footnotes with the possible exception of Taranath Ranabhat.
The clash of cultures is this: the Kathmandu School never worked well and fully trusted the Banares School. Sher Bahadur, Ram Chandra, and Chiranjivi were promoted by KPB, while in his darkest hour, GPK settles for Chakra and Shailaja. But each respects the other school. Ram Chandra, Sher Bahadur, and Chiranjivi founded the Nepal Students Union, and struggled together against the Panchayat for 30 years. Chiranjivi has an image problem of corruption and no mass appeal, but is an influential behind-the-scenes player who has contented himself being Deuba's most trusted ally. Ram Chandra sees himself as Sher Bahadur's equal, so refuses to be under his subjugation. But the three remain friends who rely on each other because they survived the darkest age of the Panchayat together. Corrupt migrants like Khum Bahadur and Gacchedaar who have come to Deuba as refugees from the Koirala camp will never be fully trusted by Deuba, although he will avail of their obscene tactics for short-term advance.
Last week, Ram Chandra was tempted to the "Shahi-Kaangress". If he had gone, he knew he would have been only "second" to Deuba there despite him being promised the Presidency. The breakaway faction is Deuba's do (or is it?), and he will be king there. Ram Chandra by instinct would have stayed in the real NC, but it is populated by the Banares school, and he also sees the nuisance in the form of Govinda Raj Joshi bugging him. But Poudel knows now that Deuba's future in the real NC will be marginal. With four (Khum, Chiranjivi, Gachhedaar, and Bal Bahadur KC) of the five most corrupt people in NC, and his own record in doubt, Deuba has started a ride on punctured tyres. He won't go very far. Some of the illegal wealth, and abuse of state resources will play their role, but at the end of the day, with an ideological vacuum, support from illegitimate nodes, and no moral superiority, Deuba has exhausted his luck. This camp will go a full circle like the stupidly bold Bamdev Gautam. Deuba et al. will return to NC after their *Jaatra* is over. And Poudel will be there to welcome them. This is the only way Ram Chandra Poudel would have finally, finally, finally, finally, finally beaten his equal, but luckier, friend, Sher Bahadur Deuba. Politics *is* pursuit of power.
Poudel thus made the right decision. His next challenges will be to manage the cultural, not ideological, differences with the stalwarts of the Banaras school - Shailaja and Chakra. They remain formidable, and for all his Machiavellian flaws, another member, Sushil Koirala - thoroughly clean but also thoroughly incompetent, will continue to hold sway. But Shailaja can shut him up. If Ram Chandra and Shailaja work together to lead NC in its darkest hour, their incorruptible alliance can resurrect some hope of revival in NC. Despite the propaganda, the likes of Govinda and Sujata will never control NC. GPK knows this. Genuine NC cadres are poor and don't read much, but they are not stupid. Their collective wisdom is sound. Witness Pokhara.
Let the UML win the next elections. Five years in the opposition will do NC some good. GPK would have died. A caucus led by Ram Chandra and Shailaja (if they agree to work together, and bury their cultural differences) can draw on inputs of a new generation of NC blood and rejuvenate their party. Sushil Koirala will be around - simple, lonely, clean, but incompetent. Other irritations like GBJ would have tried their luck, but been rejected. Arjun KC carries the Panchayat stigma, and thus can't grow further.
No body has the authority to derail the constitution of 2046. Elections will take place in November. It will be held in phases and it will make a mockery of elective politics, but a new parliament will be formed. Party politics will go on. But, but, but...if the disappointment with the NC and UML persists until the next parliamentary term, then a time in Nepal would have arrived for a new, radical parliamentary party to be led by a new generation of democrats - fresh blood with fresh ideas. This new generation sickened with the old ways *will* pull it off. But it won't happen overnight. BJP had 2 seats in the Lok Sabha in 1984. Today they rule a nuclear power of 1 billion people. A healthy, sustainable growth takes time.
My message for the "Real" Nepali Congress: reform or die. You are at an important juncture of history. And you still have the shrewd Ram Chandras and the maverick Shailajas. They are good people. Make use of them. Or else, as Hahoo Guru says, you will have to take a cold shower. And just wither away like a flower.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 10:00 PM
Paschim,
I enjoyed your insight look at NC, and concur with you too, but I don't think I
share your view about Shailaja. I think she is not capable of leading NC. I have
seen her behave like lunatic, her talks fail to convince people, her theatrics
(include talk to do 'shanti padayaatra' from Mechi to Mahakaali, do upabaas ,
"I do" and "I do not" to parliamentary ticket and violent reaction to subsequent
defeat-oh, comparable to Italy's reaction to defeat in quarterfinal etc) are
simply ridiculous. I think if NC doesn't groom better people from its student
organization, it is doomed to failure. Having said this much, I want to repeat
that I don't know Shailaja much. Oh, yea, her first act as the president of Yuva
Manch which she got after defeating Dhundi Raj Shastri in 24 saal was to
dismantle the executive body from inside penitentiary in Kathmandu, I've heard.
This just doesn't make me feel she is a great leader to lead NC.
My China experience should be brought forth here. Two things, Not all who
fought for a cause will stick to that cause all life. Yuan Shikai (Sp?) fought for
removal of Qing dynasty with Sun Yatsen, but later betrayed Sun, and declared
himself an emperor. So, there are a lot Congressi who fought for democracy,
but who are probably not willing to preserve it, they might not be even loving
it anymore. Another experience, pick the best if you want your party to survive.
Deng Xiaoping picked up Zhao Ziyang from impoverished Anhui province, and Jiang
Zemin from Shanghai because they were doing great job. Deng didn't turn to his
kins, that act saved Communist party from the impact of international wave
against autocracy in 90s.
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 25-Jun-02 11:09 PM
Biswo, I hear you. Anticipating those very remarks, I'd qualified Shailaja with the adjective "maverick". I wrote the above *despite* all her demonstrated flaws. Be assured that I never endorse people on impulse or without knowing and researching an awful lot about them. Aafnai credibility ko pani kura aaunchha. But on Shailaja, let me just say, I have some respect for that woman. Of course, she has attitude problems, but I find her tantrums harmlessly cute. I probably owe an explanation...will pick this one too over beer in Sauraha, kunai din.
I agree with your second paragraph. Politics as usual can't go on in Nepal, hence the message: reform or die. But I also know that people don't become holy and righteous overnight, so we need to devise legal mechanisms to self-police. Good leaders know when to discipline themselves. If they don't (which could be a blessing in disguise), they will be swept away by a new, younger force. I harbor no illusions in politics.
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| tester |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 05:50 AM
b]pjfsf] k'Tnf hnfP
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 12:39 PM
Paschim,I can hardly wait for a chance to confab with a genius like you,in Sauraha.But
hey, yo Shailaja ko kura chaahi mero strong dissent note garnus hai, that lady is not
the one I would think of as a leader of a democratic party. But, u know what, A lot of
Chitwane are thankful to this lady for a decision she made when she was minister,which
was said to be very helpful to increase milk production in Chitwan, effectively
making Chitwan a leader in nation's milk production.(Ranks among top three milk
producing districts!)
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 06:00 PM
By the way, what is wrong with Sher Bdr these days? I just read extreme left journalist
Krishna Sen was killed in custody. These people should be ashamed to kill an unarmed
person in custody. It is so abhorrable.
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 08:55 PM
If the news about Krishna Sen's death in custody is true, it is most despicable and heinous. It's an awful thing to do for a "democratic" government headed by a Prime Minister who has himself spent some 10 years in prison and was tortured heavily.
There is no doubt Krishna Sen was a *criminal* who incited and most probably participated in violence against civilians like himself while masquerading as a journalist for Janadesh. Absolutely no doubt at all. But this doesn't give any government the license to just capture and kill an unarmed civilian. Yes, if Sen was leading an armed attack and had died in a genuine armed encounter, one would have regretted, but accepted, the loss. But the government can't just stoop to the level of the terrorists and start behaving like them. Tyo jangali raaj bhai haalyo ni. Sarkaar ra atankakari ma ke farak? There is such a thing as due process in a democracy, even when certain clauses have been suspended under the Emergency.
Except those engaged in active combat and armed encounters, all other Maoists must be captured, held in custody, and tried as per the laws of the land. I would however advocate a special court to deal with terrorism to expedite violence-related hearings and verdicts. The kingdom seems to have no provisions on this as yet.
*If the news is true* it's a great shame for the Deuba government. Deuba should realize that future democratic governments may charge him for crime against humanity together with the real criminals and despots - Baburam and Prachanda - if he sanctions and condones this kind of extra-judicial killing. While I seriously doubt the killing happened, if it happened, on the direct orders of the PM, at the end of the day, the PM is morally responsible for the actions of his thuggish Police force. This is really awful. I condemn it unambiguously.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 09:06 PM
As long as Govt. does not confirm the death of news, it sounds like
Hritik roshan case, the Sen supporters trying to create a halla to
discredit govt. It(can be a rumor) can be an attempt, and it happened in the past
also.
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 09:25 PM
HG-ji, that is why I have said *if the news is true* twice in my posting. My first five words are *if the news is true*. And again before I conclude, I write *if the news is true* just in case people doubted that we were discussing a hypothetical scenario for now.
In the Hrithik Roshan case, the news was assumed to be true. There were no "ifs".
If this news turns out to be false, then fine and good. But democracy needs sane, rational, and civic vigilance and scrutiny of state actions, like this, if it is to mature.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 10:12 PM
I read the news in a tabloid0-type left weekly- Jana Astha in nepalnews.com and I think
Mr Sen was arrested after Janadesh published the photos of murdered police
in Bhattedada.I believed the news of death because JanaAstha is also left leaning
weekly and its editor, Mr Nimkant Pande , used to be the editor of one of Baburam's
mouthpiece, Yojana, in the past.
I agree with the view of Paschim, and state needs to act like a responsible entity.
No one can take law in his hand. People in custody should be accounted and protected
and sent to the trials. Nepal has witnessed a dark period of extra-judicial killing in
Panchayat and just when we thought it was over, this news saddens a lot of us, no
doubt.
Events of south America have shown to us that quelling rebellion at the cost of our
values is tantamount to surrendering to the rebels: that is what is rebel's goal! I once
wrote here that if extreme rights and extreme lefts of our country actually sit down
and talk, they will be surprised to find that they actually agree on so many issues than
they disagree on: like abolishing democracy, scrapping electoral bodies, establishing
autocratic system, cutting off long hairs, banishing miniskirts, closing pubhouses,
stifling free journalism, encouraging illegal trade routes, bypassing laws, etc..
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 10:30 PM
Just found out the follow up news about the death of Sen in kantipur, and
accompanied report of international condemnation.Very shocking,
undemocratic and shameful act! Like Kantipur said, it would seriously make all
future government notice about 'encounter' very impugnable.
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| manashalu |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 10:34 PM
Editor of 'jana aastha' is Kishore shrestha(closed to previous ML group of Bamdev Gautam). He was also arrested for publishing news 'nashama behosh deubako rajasanga kurakani(in some party)' few months ago. I think He spent some days in police custody at that time.
krishna sen is a journalist as well as central member of NCP(maoist) and he was arrested in Kathmandu some months ago. If he has been killed in govt. custody, of course, it is a state crime of killing unarmed person. Our parliament recently passed a bill on 'special court' but such kind of killing can raise question about government motive of providing security for nepalese citizens.
Biswo, Nimkanta pandey is now a Advisory Editor of Jana dharana, not jana aastha.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 26-Jun-02 10:44 PM
Manasaluji,
Oops. Jana Dharana, Jana Astha, Jana Dharana, Jana Astha, name confusing hai,
may be specially more because Jana Dharana was the name I first saw on internet.
Thanks for info about perennial leftist Pande. I remember him because he was the
only journalist arrested in first Sambidhan Dibas.Pretty firebrand extreme left
activist he is, I think.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 27-Jun-02 10:14 PM
'JANA' is a formula to sell newspapers among Communist crowd
and its as common as Human rights among "Communist Crowd"
and we all know the "Human Right" is worst in Communist state,
and the communist know their weakness, i.e. their opponent
always complain that Communist do not tolerate human right
in communism. therefore, they always try to portray that they
are best defenders of People and Human right, by using
"HR" and "JANA" word everywhere, so that, they are toooooo
right. .... Its in fact, great joke. Peoples who do not poses
the things or they know they really are, they name or they
make propaganda on those things to illude people that they
are more than anyone.
Well, someone may extrapolate it to myself and complain that
me not being really HahooGuru. Well, my ideas in Sajha.com
are always full of Hahoo! and I always preach and run my
profanity that are fully Hahoo! type. Who can justify that
my name does not match with my postings. My postings best
represent my Nickname in this forum. Is there anyone to
prove me wrong? I bet NoOne in this cyberspace has capacity
and time to prove that my name does not fit my postings.
HG
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 04-Jul-02 05:44 AM
CK Lal on Ramchandra Poudel
http://www.nepalihimal.com/ashad16-32-2059/awaran-ramchandra.htm
But this article seems to be incomplete. I'll send an email to the editor, but in the interim, I wish someone in Nepal could scan the page and post here. Lal's first two paragraphs are interesting.
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| Santa |
Posted
on 04-Jul-02 06:15 AM
As usual C. K. Lal is licking Kangressi boots. What is so interesting in this? Ram Chandra Paudel is completely dodhare character.
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| lost confidence |
Posted
on 04-Jul-02 06:31 AM
After reading articles of CK LAL in Himal magazine , It seems that CK LAL is ALSO losing confidence on leadership of old GPK and it is strange that he has not ever mentioned the name of GRJ(political competent of RCP) among names of GPK congressi leaders. RCP will become successful or not in coming days will be determined by how GPK will continue to believe in his close confidants GRJ, SUSHIL DA', AN kc, SUJATA and CP Banstola?
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| ? |
Posted
on 05-Jul-02 03:11 AM
Same old players. Same ol shit. What difference will it make whether GP or Ram Chandra or Deuba? One person could not have saved a sinking ship without the help of others. I dont see any optimism in all this.
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| KAUSHALYA |
Posted
on 05-Jul-02 05:03 AM
I think Ram Chandra Poudel is the best thing that has happened to Nepal since the production of sliced bread by Krishna Pauroti of Kamal Pokhari. Good man, better bread. Just appreciate it. Let him grow unfettered and lead. Sandhai cynical bhayera hunchha? Aafu pani kehi nagarne, aru ko raamro aspect pani dekhna nasakne. Chill, and eat Krishna pauroti. Sliced but unbuttered.
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| ? |
Posted
on 05-Jul-02 05:14 AM
If you are referring to me, then I would say, I have done my part and thats about it. Again and Again I add, I wish that our leaders would have done their part so that the country would not have headed in this direction anyhow. How can you see any optimism in all this? Are you suggesting that all would fall in its place without any efforts!!! God, I am so looking forward to that day!!!
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