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| nawaraj |
Posted
on 19-Jun-02 08:49 AM
Don't you agree that we don't need the king and the royal family in nepal. are they doing anything good to the country in return of the bhatta and security they are getting from the state. why do we have to pay and take care of 15 pusta of royals(?) and their family? It is worth investing? What's wrong if we have a president as in any other country? Why make some one supreme and symbol of natinal unity by birh, Gyanedra or Paras cannot be Royals because they were born inside the palace. You need have royal vision, deeds and judgement in order to be royal. MANCHE JANMA LE HAINA KARMA LE MAHAN BANNA SIKNUPARCHA. Why not emancipate the nepaly people from the burden of those so called Royals. Let's create an atmospehere where every nepalese son will have an equal opportunity to the highest title of the land.
By the way, I am not a Maobadi or their supporter. Don't misunderstand me. An ordinary citizien of nepal just like you.
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| Raider Nation's write up. |
Posted
on 19-Jun-02 09:45 AM
A total of 233 years have gone by since Prithivi Narayan Shah unified the nation in 1769. 233 years is a long time. Nepal is one of the poorest nations in the world with a per capita income of less than $200 a year. Human Resource development is the worst even among its South Asian neighbors. People in Kathmandu, Biratnagar, Birgung and a handful of other towns sustain whatever constitutes this $200. Have you for once thought how people in the deep treacherous pockets of Himalayas survive? Many of you have asked the version of the revolutionary?s development plans. May I ask the same? What are this government?s plans for development? Or for that matter, what developments have occurred in the previous administrations combined? Where is our society headed? After all the state apparatus isn?t in the Maoists hands, is it? For 233 years, common Nepali has been terrorized. Common Nepalis have put together 233 years of faith in the current political-economic rule. How was it returned? For years and years and years, we were threatened, cajoled, ignored and deprived. Now a segment of us revolt and its terrorism?
Democracy. Big word. Terrorists. Another big word.
Moabadis didn?t crop overnight; the state has to assume responsibility in its creation. Since 1769, we?ve had monarchy, heredity prime minister ships, absolute monarchy, constitutional monarchy: everything albeit democracy. 90% of our population is under the poverty line. Another 5% struggle to make ends meet. The rich and the mighty have everything, the middle class is busy worrying about what they?ll lose, and the poor have nothing to lose. So the rich and the mighty control the state apparatus, the middle class work in miserable conditions(supporting the ruling class) and the poor become Maobadis.
People don?t revolt in a balanced and reasonable state. When living conditions become intolerable, mutiny occurs and when farmers leave farming and join the insurrectionists then the general populace has to look into what made them go that distance. The irony of our country is that 23 million people have nothing to eat and a million want them to remain that way. Maobadi is not a political battle; it?s an economic struggle. Declaring them terrorist, who?s making fun of whom? Nango chati ra bhoko pet ma rastriyata jalkadaina.
What happens in Nepal is what we hear from the media. Who controls the media? The Maoists? If this government and the head of the state are equivocal in its cry for democracy, the Maoist is to take blame? Ban the pro-Maoist papers; take people into custody and (manpari ta aajai chaldai cha, hoina ra?) suspend fundamental rights, and do your dirty laundry at the expense of the Maoist. Most of us talk about democracy. A large section of us are horrified at the violence of the Maoist. The atrocities perpetuated by the Maoist, who reported that? Some unprejudiced news reporter? Or did an independent media get created in a jiffy? Am I wrong in assuming that the crown has used his leverage in getting the media rally behind him? And we talk about democracy! But when someone posts a pro- Maoist banner, you are intimidated. You should be secure in your principles. If your principles drive you, then you should have the ability to make those people see where they?re wrong. If you want to attack somebody, use words, not insults. Gali garera you?re insulting yourself. And how democratic is that? Or did all of you people decide that democracy is what you want it to be. In a democracy, people have the right to dissent, the right to engage in meaningful employment, the right to a decent life, the right to live and be secure that the state is concerned about its citizen. Having the right to vote is not democracy. Actions speak louder than words. Who among us can stand and say our country is democratic? Forget the poor villagers; let?s concentrate on our capital, Kathmandu. Why would anybody support any government that can?t provide the basic amenities of life? Drinking water is rare, and so is electricity. Stepping into the 21st century, our country is caught up a political and economic wrap of the 15th century. Nor are the roads up to the task and we can forget about our educational institutes. Nepal has no infrastructure aimed at tomorrow. Since 1950, we have been told the Rana regime collapsed and democracy came to the people. But did it really? The mighty ones are still they, the rich ones are still they, and the oppressed are still we. Every one took advantage of the naivete of the common people, now isn?t it time that we, uneducated and illiterate people, start questioning about us, about our future and about our land. Is that too much to ask from the country of our birth?
You and me, the middle classes revel in our education. But are you going to head back to Nepal when all?s said and done? Most of us won?t and that includes me. So why are we so against if a large section of our society demands a change? They live in the country and have the right to revolt if the doors of opportunity are closed for them. After all, the problems they face, didn?t crop suddenly, did they? Most people go to bed hungry.
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| Raider Nation's write up. |
Posted
on 19-Jun-02 09:51 AM
The ruling class doesn?t care. The middle class is spiritless. Being educated in the Western world should at least put in us some stimulation of common sense. Democracy is a nice word to use but it?s very hard to follow those words into our law. Can you claim we have been fair to the poor of Nepal? Are our laws being followed to the books? Does our judiciary condemn the guilty without the fear of repercussion? Or that the government has given equal opportunities to all sundry? A large section of our people are revolting. People often live life begrudgingly. They have a little to make life tolerable. Take that away and yes they will revolt. If people revolting are wrong, how are the people opposing the revolution right? Can anybody convince me, why I should not put my faith in the Maoist instead of the current establishment?
Maoist supporters are brain washed. A word I keep on hearing is illiterate , uneducated fools. A lot of us revel in our superiority of knowledge in comparison to the Maoist cadres. Yes, the war has a lot of following among the poor people. People, never given the right to education. People never given a chance to flourish. People who grew up believing the outlandish promises made to them, only to be disappointed again and again. Nepal?s literacy rate is officially pegged at 29%. Every year government hakims embark on tours to villages to encourage literacy. In Nepal, you?re a literate if you can sign your name and that?s how they go about doing their business. Is that literacy? Or did someone just kicked me in the gut and left me for dead? Garib ko ragat chuso ani baki bhayeko chala le jutta banayo? And you tell me those people are brain washed? These brain washed people have character. They are the ones who decided enough is enough and warranted a change. People choose what they think is the best option for them, for their future and for the future of their kith and kin. These people are the lifeblood of rural Nepal. People, bullied since time immortal. The poor of Nepal have spoken. We demand a change and god-willing we shall have it.
Maoism concentrated people who individually couldn?t force a change. The political change they want is flawed, but so is the one we have right now. A revolution is not always honky-dory. A lot of compromises have to be made. Some good, some bad. I do not claim that Maoism is what the country needs. Nor do I like the fact that its leaders choose Maoism instead of some democratic movement. But the fact remains they were the first people to challenge the might of Kathmandu and I respect them for that. And surely if they did the hard work in bringing about the change, I have no hesitation in letting them rule me. At the worst we will have crooks ruling us. We have crooks ruling us now. I revel in the fact that I?ll possibly be better off but not worse-off. This revolution will go on, for Maoism might die, the cry for revolution will not. Unless a common man is heard, destiny has Nepal in for a long time of guerrilla struggle.
Another question is the question of talks. Last year, there were some talks between the current government and the Maoists. The government came to the table to talk saying that monarchy, changes in the present constitution and constituent assembly was nonnegotiable. So what talk did the government want to talk? Weather and sports? Come to the main stream and help us loot the people further? How can Nepal?s intellectuals say that the Maoists were given a fair chance? The government rejected all of Maoist demands before the talks, so wasn?t the talks a sham? As far as I remember, the Maoist dropped the monarchy demand the third week of November and yet on the fourth week of November, they launched an offensive attack against the Royal Nepalese Army. What transpired in between? Don?t people have the right to know how and what was tabled at the talks? Or is the government nervous that its tactics of bullying didn?t work?
Why isn?t our country secular? The world?s only Hindu country, big deal. A progressive country needs to be secular in being, in character, in morals and in principles. Nepal isn?t anywhere close to a democracy. Stop kidding us or at least stop kidding yourself. What democracy are we looking at? ?Man is born free but everywhere else he is in chains,? Rousseau said once. How very true. I?m tired of being chained into inane customs and traditions, tired of lying to myself that things will take a turn for the better, tired of the lies, the promises, and tires of being a victim. I?m tired of being taken for granted. These fetters are heavy and I?m weary.
The decision for monarchy is only of academic proportions. Who cares whether monarchy withers or not but if monarchy wants to stay then it must acknowledge its shortcomings and make amends. Expensive jaunts have to be done away with. Nepal cannot sustain the frolics of the royal family. Vishnu avtaar ka din haru aba gaye. The king takes a little over $60,000 a year in income, the queen takes half of that, the crown price, crown princess, princes etc all have their share in the loot. Add to the fact that they pay no taxes, and the common man provides for everything else. This much from a country with $200 per capita income? A poor country like Nepal cannot afford such an expensive establishment. Business pani timro, industries pani timro, tax chai hamro? Being a king in this modern contemporary era is not about controlling and ignoring. There?s responsibility attached to it. Monarchy in this era is about representation. A king, should there be one, should be able to rally his people behind him. Internationally, he should be an ambassador. Someone to represent the country and its problems. King, Supreme Being, deity; my ancestors put their faith in you and look at the pay off. History will forgive Baburam and Prachanda for the revolution, but history will not forgive you and me, who supported the very despotic and repressive organization we claim to disdain, the situation in Nepal since 1769.
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| KG |
Posted
on 19-Jun-02 11:03 AM
Saathiharu:
What we need again is a strong leader like Jung Bahadur Kunwar without the Shree teen (three) title and misuse of power by his family later. I just recently read Nepal's history especially after Prithivi Narayan took over Kathmandu. It was pathetic then with the infighting amongst the Thapas, Basnets, Chautariyas and Pandes and looks pretty bad now too. With so much struggle for power, no wonder Jung Bahadur had to do something to create stability. Perhaps it was not his intention, but his iron fisted decisions saved Nepal from being taken in by other powers in the region and let us not forget that by helping the British Raj, not only did he guaranteed the independence of our country, but made us an ally instead of a sub-ordinate. Now you tell me, how bad is Jung Bahadur?
The reason I bring this up is because history seems to be repeating itself: As early as 1990, the parties in Nepal were struggling for power, which was okay. But now, when the country has no choice, in our eyes, but to stand united and solve the Maoist problem, Girija and Deuba split the party into two. Then there were the Thapas and the Pandes, now we have the Girija supporters and the Deuba supporters. When will they learn? If a powerful and charismatic leader does another Kot massacre and rids the country of useless and power hungry dogs we called leaders, SO BE IT, for I am sick and tired of these low-lifes. The time is now. If there is anyone who wants to take over and take control, it's high time you seize the opportunity. With the army fighting Maoists, and the prime minister fighting his own party, we have a mess. We need the second coming of Jung Bahadur, another "Jungey", who will redeem the good people of Nepal, but this Jungey of the 21st century has to let democratic elections to take place after restoring peace and stability in Nepal. Every three years, there is an animistic festival called "Paten" in the mountainous area of Manang valley, people sing a song wishing for the come back of "Jung Bahadur". Maybe the local shaman had seen all of this in his vision beforehand!
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| Required "PHD Dictetor" |
Posted
on 19-Jun-02 02:56 PM
If you study deeply and truly about Nepal's social, political, economical, constitutional, Law, history, The best choice might be an " Intellectual Dictator ".
We must need a dictator who has intelligence "Education" to understand Nepal's social, political, economical, constitutional, Law and other problems.
We must fix the root cause of problem, then other can be fix gradually.... and might be automatically....
We must need an Intelligence Dictator because of:
Nepal has lots of problem not only 1 or 2 or 3 ..... so many areas but there are main problems of the problems……
(1) Bad moral, social/cultural and political practice: Nepalese society has the worst unethical cultures or bad social and political practices which transformed as an inheritance to each Nepalese.
If you sit back for a moment and think deeply, you will find mostly nobody has positive thinking or good manners toward Nepal. They pretends they that they are doing something for society or Nepal, You can easily find something they are doing for their own benefit in background.
You can find 1 good Nepali, among 1 million bad Nepalese. And that 1 good person will force to live like a stupid, humiliate, isolate and harass from 1 million bad Nepalese.
If one did something good positive things or activity, instead of praise, another person has to do someway something against him or her. Because one person's a good activity or action can not pleased for another. That obviously refer to and define itself why Nepal behind in rest of the world. This is nothing wrong with geography of Nepal, the main problem is the "Nepalese people."
(2) Constitution less, Lawless and justice less country: These elements must be above everybody. These elements are the most important backbone of any country otherwise you can not defined as a country. In the context of Nepal, it is just junk words or sentences of books. But these elements only implement those who are poor or lower class person or families. It does not work for all people in Nepal.
Constitution, Law and Justice system must act:
(1) All Nepalese must be below the constitution and Law.
(2) Constitution and Law must be based on scientific, modern and reality.
(3) Must define what is one's right, privilege, safety, security and protection.
(4) Must define what is legal, illegal on each and every single matters.
(5) Must define what is crime and punishment.
(6) Must define value of time, life, nationality and action or work.
(7) Must have capital punishment system if one did higher degree crime.
(8) Must have systems of chance to pay back or turning point of one's mistake, or for reasonable crime.
(9) Must have systems of support, encouragement, promotion, recognition, treatment/rehabilitation, demotion, punishment, evaluation, right and equal justice for all and every level.
Note: If these main two things will not fix within Nepalese and Nepal, Nepal might be worse and worse in coming generation. Because, if people's mental collapse then they act bad activities, then even God from heaven can not do nothing. God will be helpless in that point because he will be only one good person.
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| Hercules |
Posted
on 19-Jun-02 03:04 PM
I'm with you guys that we don't need king in Nepal. However the question is do we have a good, bold, enthusiastic and nationalist leader in Nepal?
In this ten democratic year we could not prove that we can lead our nation by people. We couldn't have a nepali chhora in elected PM. All politicians like Girija Koirala, Madhav Nepal, Baburam Bhattarai, are stupid, desh bechuwa. They are all just hungry for kursi and commission. Even so called most democratic party in Nepal, Nepali congress members cannot work together within the party.
Do you think if we elect President will be done something for Nepal? Look how much down did our country, economy go in this 10 years. I know, I understand this is a transition period. Nothing happens overnight and I'm giving credit to Panchayat system.
For now atleast one election is enough. We don't want to see another Prsident election and all parties fighting like galli ko kukur for one single haddi.
Shame on all these chor politician.
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| Long live King |
Posted
on 20-Jun-02 10:18 AM
>However the question is do we have a good, bold, enthusiastic and nationalist >leader in Nepal?
Gyanendra has such qualities...
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| KTM2WDC |
Posted
on 20-Jun-02 04:16 PM
Nawaraj,
I totally understand your point but i storngly disagree. I would rather have a King then have some Koirala Family running the show. I think since Nepal adopted the Multi-party democracy, the only persons who have abided by the constitution was our beloved late King Birendra and present King Gyanendra. I don't think it's the roaylty that is the problem in Nepal, it's the corrupt politicians that are sucking the country dry. Who is going to keep an eye on these politicians if we were to get rid of royalties? Sujata Koirala is going to be a billionaire in DOLLARS if she hasn't become one already. Yes, we do need a strong leader with a vision and I think King Gynendra is more than capable of leading us down the right path. Aren't we tired of this political blickering going on in Nepal for the last 12 years??? No one's ever going to get a majority and all our national income ( which is meager as it is) is going to be spent on elections every year. Can u believe that in 12 years since democracy, we've had 12 Prime Ministers? I think we should go back to the party-less system and work as one to uplift Nepal. Jaya Nepal and long live the King.
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| bhainsi |
Posted
on 20-Jun-02 05:08 PM
I remember reading this article in Telegraph Weekly some time ago. It is a little old but could be of interest in this topic on the King in details. Jai Nepal. I think Gyane is better than Girija. I think democracy in Nepal doesn't work. Bring back the King.
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Link:
http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/englishweekly/telegraph/2001/aug/aug08/national.htm
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| commenter |
Posted
on 20-Jun-02 05:41 PM
KTM2WDC Ji
do u even know how much billion is ??
U must be either a real wacko or something because there are only handful of billionaries in the world and even the king in not one. I am not sure about pashupti Sumsher JBR though - heard he is reacher than the royals of nepal.
i am sure you were throwing numbers to get attention but its really cheap way.
do you know how much deuba's fat-ass wife has made in just those few month of being prime-ministress ?? i heard news on nepalnews.com that she likes to snoop and go around and collect "hapta" from ministries and business people.
-suman
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| KTM2WDC |
Posted
on 21-Jun-02 11:59 AM
Suman ji,
I think u are wrong dude. There are a handful of billionaires in Nepal in Nepalese currency. 1 billion = 1 Arab Rupees - now how do like that? I was a math major in school but how dare u call me a wacko??? Have u any idea how much money these politicians have?? Girija alone made 5 billion ( 5 arab) in the Lauda Air deal so imagine how much more went to the other ministers and his "chamchaas"! U answered my point right there that Royalties are the best thing for Nepal right now because i don't want another Prime Ministress ( as u like to call them) coming around asking for "Hapta"!! We have had what?? 12 PM in 12 years!!! I was trying to stress my point that if the present situation continues, Sujata Koirala was gonna be a billionarie in DOLLARS because she already is a billionaire in Rupees. And i am sure Deuba's wife is too and that's is exactly my point. Why would i want all this blood sucking hounds getting rich off our foriegn aids!!!
Dude, calling names gotta stop - this is a palce where u come in and express ur views but if u want to be rude and ignorant, then u should visit www.dumbass.com - a site specially designed for people like u.
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