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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 07-Jul-02 10:10 AM
Hinduism is the most democratic of all forms of worship in the world. That is why there are so many branches with Hinduism and a hindu is free to choose his own line of worship.
Hinduism cannot not be defined as a religion as is practised in the west. In the eastern culture sages have devised and preached the way of living. Be it Hinduism, Buddihsm or other chineese,persian culture the way of living is of great importance.
Hinduism does not seek to gather large groups of people in order to impress them. Hinduism is a private affair of each of its practitioners. Each individual has to find his/her own way of living. The sages and their writings guide us in our endeavours.
The hindu writings in the form of puran, ved, and epics such as "MahaBharat" and "Ramayan" seek to guide us in choosing the right path.
The caste system is another interesting aspect of Hinduism. Hinduism has 4 major castes and at one time people were free to go from one caste to another. It is just like changing jobs in todays world.
But with the passage of time some unscrupulous and powerful people made the caste system rigid disallowing an individual in changing his/her caste. And while people could be demoted to the so-called lower caste the reverse was not possible. The original Hinduism did not classify people into high class or low class but just into caste system.
The western missionaries and muslims have tried to exploit this misunderstanding to their own advantage to increase their own ranks.
Even today we notice that if a son takes on the job of the father it is more likely that s/he will succeed. This was specially true at that historical time when the system of education was different. People have started to realize that that system is better than the present imported western education.
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| Evil Moraless Religion |
Posted
on 07-Jul-02 12:19 PM
Hinduism is philosophy of Devil. Hinduism is not real/true holy ritual. It is a tool of survival for Aryan people.
In the named of holy Hinduism, Aryan people create caste system, one right, woman domination society, class division poor, rich, touchable /untouchable, many unethical cultures/practices and salary.
Hinduism has not carried out human equality in society. Hinduism is the deep blind full and foolish religion where more than 70% based on unreal.
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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 07-Jul-02 01:44 PM
Dear Friend,
Hinduism does not create division between rich and poor. People do. People who are Christians and muslims also have shown prejudice against poor and backward people. While Hindus are compasionate towards the disadvantaged individuals. History records of massacres commited my Christians and muslims trying to convert people and propagate their religion.
Massacres are the work of evil force.
The misguided and blinded friend even says that salary is the creation of Hindu Dharma. This must have been the propaganda that the missionaries taught the friend. Otherwise where in Hindu text is this mentioned?
The western influence has made us money minded. Because of this we have started to think of rich and poor and untouchables. the bad western influence started long time back in history and we attribute all the bad things that they brought with them to the pure hindu culture. While any good outcome that might have come out of our own culture are generally attributed to the outside cultures.
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| Mr. Chettri |
Posted
on 07-Jul-02 02:29 PM
I completely agree with what Mr Evil Moraless Religion says and attribute the religious classification and class hierarchy as the root of the poverty the nepalese society is crippled with.
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| Yohan |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 04:14 AM
Demons Crazy in Hinduism...? It is quite possible. Lots and lots and lots of demons are worshipped in Hinduism. Everyone is free to choose the demon of his own choice for sacrifices and worship. Koti koti Devis and Devtas are mentioned in some shashtras that scared me away...It is the findings of men, not the ordinances of a Sovereign, Divine God and has nothing to claim as enlightening and liberating religion.
Hinduism is a cultural civilization of the people around the bank of river Indus in the past now mistakenly taken as a religion.
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 09:17 AM
There is no devil worship in Hinduism. Where are you getting this my friend?
Hinduism is the third most popular religion in the world. There are more than estimated 1.1 million in US.
Hinduism does not have a single founder and it consists of thousands of different religious groups that have evolved since 1500 BCE (David Levinson, Religion: A cross-cultural dictionary)
This religion is called
-Sanatana Dharma meaning eternal religion
-Vedic Dharma meaning the religion from the Vedas
The name Hinduism was given by the British during their colonial rule to identify the people that lived on the other side of Indus valley
To understand Hinduism you need to study the philosophy but first you need to understand the principles of religion.
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| ? |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 09:27 AM
This yohan guys is a missionary dude watch out about what he says nonsense about Hinduism. There are scums like yohan filled in the society that think their belief is superior to all other beliefs.
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| ke thaha |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 09:30 AM
hinduism is the best religion or philosophy whatever. it make me laugh when people say muslim and christene is the religion. muslim and christene (religion ????) are not doing any good to mankind. it just slow down the progress and bring conflict within people.
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 09:42 AM
I dont blame you for your opinion. I would believe the same if I did not know the meaning of relegion.
There are people that follow a violent sect, think that their belief is superior to none, think that they should rule the world. Relegion is most often used by politicians for their benefit, that is also a reson you do not have a good opinion about relegion. It is also a fact that there are more wars being fought for relegion than any other cause. This is mostly because relegion is a wild card and politicians know how to use it for thier benefit.
To understand relegion one must study it and follow the basic principles. The basic principles of relegion (any) preaches love, tolerance, respect.
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| ? |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 12:55 PM
I have a few sites of interest on religion,
www.jerryfalwell.com
www.religioustolerance.com
www.everything2.com
www.atributetohinduism.com
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| tHAKAdOPI |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 01:22 PM
a wise person once said:
one shouldn't discuss (except with your barber/stylist) to whom you pray, for whom you vote, and how much you earn.
...but don't let me stop you! ;)
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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 09:22 PM
I found http://www.atributetohinduism.com to be an informative website
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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 08-Jul-02 09:23 PM
The site mentions "terrible invasions by Muhammad of Ghazni in 1001 A.D" and many other such instances of destruction commited by muslims in the name of religion.
"He demolished idol temples and established Islam. He captured ……cities, destroyed the idolaters, and gratifying Muslims."
The above sentence identifies a muslim. While the Christians did not engage themselves in any massacres they sought to disrespect the Sanatan Dharma classifying it in their own terms and misguiding the believers into believing that somehow this religion did not offer suitable environment for their growth. The Christians used their new found wealth and information warfare technology to convert people. It is as simple as that!
The westerners imposed their system of material education turning people away from their won superior inherent knowledge.
I started this column because I noticed that some christians had started their conversion propaganda in the religion section of sajha.com. Let us Hindus not feel isolated by these propaganda. I will encourage more postings on Hinduism from my fellow sajhaites.
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 09-Jul-02 12:14 AM
Dear Dhaka Topi,
Relax! No one can convert anyone. People have their own reasons for conversion if they have one, either from Hinduism to other religion or vice versa.
In democracy everyone is entitled for his or her own opinion and this also means to respect other peoples feelings/beliefs as well.
Hinduism preaches tolerance; tolerance is part of life for a Hindu.
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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 09-Jul-02 09:58 AM
Dear taha cha,
You may know that "If a lie is repeated thousand times, then it starts appearing true". Also there is another quite suitable nepali saying - " bolne ko pitho bikcha, nabolne ko chamal pani bikdaina."
The Christian & muslim lobby are paid to spread their religion to the so-called "non-believers". I once heard that in the muslim religion- "If a man is able to convert 5 "non-believers" then he will automatically go to "muslim heaven"." Thus they try to convert simple minds by hook or crook.
And the worst part of it is that they have indeed succeded in converting millions since thousands of years. At one time the threat of death was used to convert people against their own will. This continues even today. As you may have known about the not so recent rape of hindu women by muslim scroundels in Bangladesh.
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| badmarsh |
Posted
on 09-Jul-02 10:58 AM
Hindusm is VEDA, ved is Knowledge. Hindusm is Philosophy but not bhakti. Hindus don't discuss their religion, THINK, ANalyse then you are a hindu.
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| badmas |
Posted
on 09-Jul-02 01:08 PM
badmarsh, I can't agree with you more. hinduism is the best philosophy there is. Why you ask? because its very liberal and open.
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| Koko |
Posted
on 09-Jul-02 01:52 PM
Hey Dhaka Topi
What on earth are you on ? Hindism is the most corrupt religion thereis. Sorta like the catholics yeah you can sin all you want but you go purify at the temple with you $$$$. The bigger the sin the higher contribution. Its the same responce from the PUJARI"S too. If you offer a Haatthhi to Shivaji Mr PUJARI will drop everything and serve you. But if you offer 5 paisa he won't even pay attention to you.
" The caste system is another interesting aspect of Hinduism. Hinduism has 4 major castes and at one time people were free to go from one caste to another. It is just like changing jobs in todays world." I don't know what tha Fk you're smoking ???? C'mon you cannot be that naive or are you just plain old stuuuupid. Yooo come back to earth....don't go wako on us
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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 09-Jul-02 05:18 PM
Hey koko,
I couldn't find any topic you have started, however I saw your replies to other peoples postings. An example in view is "stop thinking about pushing and pulling, just GO. Yeah, just get the hell outta here. Haven't you learned how to make instant decisions after staying here so long ? See ya in Baneshwor.. "
These type of responses to other peoples postings show what kind of person you are. So we won't take your comments seriously. :-)
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| Yohan |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 01:10 AM
Hey Koko,
You are like unhappy child always crying on others showing your dissatisfaction but having nothing of your own. You oppose all without giving reason, like a tender committee menber. You disagree with Jesus, and with founderless natural human religion Hinduism you have no peace either. What do you have to say, man? Are you a Buddhist?, a Mohemmedan? Bahai? ...What? Are you addressless here?
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| Koko |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 07:59 AM
Mr Dhaka Topi,
Before you start talking bulsht just look at what you wrote. Just like you have the fking freedom to express yoself I fking have that right too. Just look at your pathetic posting...it just speks for itself. Which moron in the world would even attempt to think that Hindism is the best religion in the world. What you are doing ma fren is what we call talking outta yo ass. If you are educated which I assume you are then you would not be writing such stooooopid statements. Your monolithic veiw of the world religion just show where your intellect is. And your analogy of that push and pull would not even make sense to a 5yr old foget adults.
I don't give a horse's ass if someone reads this or not..I am not here to impress anyone or kiss anyone's ass. Everyone has the right to express themselves, argue with point they don't agree. This is the World wide web after all...it is where poeple agree and disagree. And if you cannot take criticism or suggestion then do not even go there aiiight. But if you chicken out and cannot counter argue with the argument put forth to you and back off and admit you are as claimed by others a chicken. AAAIIIIGGGHT !!!!
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| Koko |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 08:10 AM
Mr yohan,
I was born Buddhist but I refuse to believe in any religion. They are just like La Cosa Nostra.... Organized and vicious. Look at any organized religion in th world they are all corrupt. $$$$ is the language almost any religion in the world would promptly respond to. Hinduism has corrupt pujari, Buddhists have corrupt Monks, Christians have Corrupt priests, Moslems have corrupt Mullas We can go on and on. They are all humans just like you and me. They all make mistakes. There is no god but there is you..You are in charge....Good or bad... your choice and the consequences you will face with Your actions(god cannot help you in that)
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 08:50 AM
Hello people,
Every one is talking "feeling" there is no "content" of thought! Where is the “pipal ko bot” Nepali intellectual thought?
Religion is a serious business. Believers and non-believers are all affected by the direct or non-direct impact of religion in their lives.
It is a ridiculous statement to say that a religion is corrupt. How can religion be corrupt? Religion preaches honesty, respect, love and appreciation among other things.
Only pessimists blame others for their problems. You can go ahead and blame religion for all your problems but just know that you are “way out of line” and “dead wrong”.
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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 08:58 AM
You have a religion. THat religion is called "I". You worship yourself. You think that there is nothing and nobody that is greater than you. I can visualize a boy in his late teens or earlier twenties who thinks like that.
As you grow older and wiser you will realise that there are forces greater than you.
You are egoist too. Your sentence "I was ...but I refuse .." point out to your large ego. Let go of your ego because it won't take anywhere.
I must admit that this is a growing trend among the youth of our country. They have been raised in a diet of western and indi TV channels. This doze of anything goes and moralless society that the tvs depict has infused a distrust in us of the religion of our elders. We no longer respect our fathers,mothers or teachers. This is a sign of degradion our country has been facing and the symptoms show up as maobadi,Limbuwan, Khumbuwan etc.
I must admit that foreign missionaries have played their part well. They have succeded in instilling their phylosophy into the vulnerable minds of the misguided youth of today whose parents too are responsible for all this.
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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 08:59 AM
The above message is for koko and his like-minded-friends.
Om!
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| thaha |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 09:01 AM
to preach honesty, respect, love and appreciation among other things, we don't need religion, we can preach them without religion , these things are their without religion. Religion is corrupt because it divide the people, don't let accept other belief, people are kept in dark in the name of religion and some clever people use the name of religion to use innocent people and kill innocent. lot of people lost their life in its name. so wake up. don't stay in dark. just preach honesty, respect ,love and appreciation but no religion please. no division....
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| Koko |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 09:34 AM
Mr Dhaka Topi,
Yes I do have a religion that is I, Me. If I do anything wrong I will face the consequences. I am not going to hide out in some temple or church or mosque or stupa and ask for gods forgiveness. Your so called god is not going to help you...but you would like to think he would though. As they say if you want to Dance you have to listen to the music(facts)....
This is all a learning process. As you progress in any learning process you throw out the things that don't make sense(Logic and reasoning). Eg you dropped a glass of milk on the floor. By praying to god neither that milk nor that glass is going to come back. Same with preparing for exams...if you don't study you don't pass... regardless of how hard you pray. Its got nothing to do with western diet or indi channels. If you reboot your brain you would understand what I am talking about. There are many aspects of like out there... it all depends upon what perpective you are looking through.
Thanks to those foreign intellects.. that today we know whats out there. Otherwise we would still be stuck in Stone Age. And if it weren't for those foreigner you would not even be speaking this language here and now. And you are so eager to play the blame game too. Why blame the parents ?....
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| DhakaTopi |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 10:01 AM
Mr. I,Me
I, unlike U, take no pride in having to use this language. I would prefer speaking and writing in Nepali, my mother tongue.
Following others won't ever put you in any privileged position. You might know that "Most Japanese don't speak English." Same for the french and spanish people. All of them developed.
While I am fully capable of answering your every query, I would invite other sajhites to answer you. I would want more people to be involved in this. May be start their own threads.
Just claiming to be a Hindu and doing nothing about it won't make us a Hindu. We must actively think about it. Mental contemplation is what is needed.
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| Koko |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 10:23 AM
Mr Dhaka Topi,
I do not see language as a mean for anything other than a mean to communicate with others. More communicate, more knowledge and information. I don't know where pride comes to play here. I don't take pride in any language....its just a medium( I have no clue where that pride came from).
Who am I following again ? I don't think I mentioned that I was following anyone or anything ?" Most Japanese don't speak English, " Most French don't speak English too what's your point ? Language=Communication
So where are the responses if you are sooo capable ? Seems like the talk out yo ass as all gas. Now ye need support from others ? Cannot handle your own ?
Sooo think and respond pal .....not this scaterbrain nibbling here and there but nowhere way of thinking. What are you mentally contemplating about ?
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| Guest |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 12:57 PM
Hey ko ko na jasto,
Mr DhakoTopi is right. You are an egoistic,self-serving,argument-seeking, nincompoch.Bug-off will ya!Shove-OFF will ye.
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| ? |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 01:16 PM
Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Writen by: John Lennon
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| No Nonsense |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 01:20 PM
I am a Hindu by birth, agnostic by choice. Frankly speaking, all this talk of demon worship and rituals is just nonsense to me. Whether someone chooses to worship God or the Devil is the person's own business. One mans god might be another man's devil. I personally dont think either exists. Christianity and Hinduism both have good and bad sides and neither is better or worse in totality compared to the other.
However, I am of the opinion that Hinduism, as practiced in Nepal is not of a very democratic nature. The caste system and the whole idea of the King being a re-incarnation of Vishnu have actually harmed and not helped the democratization of Nepalese society. But I do admit that the relatively tolerant nature of Nepalese hinduism has been a very strong plus point in preserving ethnic harmony in Nepal. I think many Nepalese would like to see a secular Nepal that is compassionate, tolerant,diverse and just. Fighting over religion will not get us there.
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| MissManners |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 01:20 PM
hi,
couldn't stop replying to this interesting thread.
just an opinion to drop in the sea of knowledge and emotions -
i think mr. koko will realize in the long run that he is after some concrete philosophy and
i am confident that he will find the evident and utlimate truth and beauty of hinduism one day. only the knowledgeble knows this truth and i am sure he is wise enough to explore it and get there one day. aum. tatsa.kalyan bhabatu. sarbam mama.
hahah, you know what this is making me laugh coz i don't know sanskrit too much but am just trying to communicate here, sorry if this sounds a little too ancient. but it's the evergreen truth - believe it. or you lose and realize it much much later only. namaste.
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| boundary what boundary! |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 01:25 PM
While Teaching My Daughter To Read Maps
Vijaya Malla
Boundaries are here drawn with sanguine blood
Like ridges raised around the farms
Look! around the expanses of each and every nation
This is India, this is Pakistan,
And this is the line sublime
Soaked in blood of the Hindu and the Mussulman.
This is Germany, this is England,
This is Russia, this is Japan,
And there are Nagashaki and Hiroshima
Ravaged by atom bomb!
This is the skeleton of Europe,
Haunted by Hitler's ghost.
This is America,
The nation of dollars,
The inventor of atom bomb,
And message of peace.
Look anywhere you like,
You will see the blood sanguine making an enclosure
Where-in the men are imprisoned
Like pigeons shut in a cage.
Daughter dear!
(A day will come)
When all will join together,
Holding hands,
Bound in an embrace tight -
The Negroes, the Aryans, the Mongols,
The Polynesians, the Dravidians and the Kols,
Everything is wiping out,
Turning their eye-cups upside down,
Those lines of blood
With their tears..
Then ,
After ages -
Some day will come
When inspite of searches long
You won't find these red lines there.
Translated by: anonymous
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| Dirty Corrupted Evil Holy |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 02:20 PM
(1) Danger Tool for corruption:
A pundits (Priest) do cultivate land or farming anything, he just read old conservative philosophy and do daily practices based on book. He goes to poor and desperate framers home and asks for pray to good for good health and wealth. Then, Priest asks farmer to give healthy cow, bulls, gold, money, textiles and food to donate him as god's will or make happy to god. And poor farmer do whatever priest asked for. Farmer already poor but these activities make him the poorest.
(2) Evil and Dirty theory: In Hindu, religion you have to do sacrifice to different animal to different gods and goodness. There is no animal right. There is no civilization. You have to pray to "Shiva Ling". Shiva means (God of creator and destroyer) and Ling means " male sexual organ ". This is not ethical practice. In holy festival Thij, all women have to go to Pashupati and will pray in Indian Jogies and yogi's pennies.
(3) Unrealistic: In Hindu holy books, written in what yogis or priests thought that is god or goodness. If you read Hindu holy book, you can find all kind of flying, killing, fighting, kidnapping, Rapping, looting etc.
(4) Creation of corrupted Social and culture:
In Hindu religion culture, Farmer must do only cultivate land and only do farming. Farmer must not go to school and read book, and must not learn read and write. So the truth is that if farmer and lower poor people go to school and learn read and write means, Priest will loose income.
(5) No democratic, No human/ animal right, No equality, No justice:
In Hindu religion, women must not go to school. If she goes to school, she will be witch. Women only do serve as a housewife. Man and women are not equal right. Whatever holy book say is truth and right, beyond that is not right, that will be evil or bad. Discourage for scientific or modern development. There is no democratic right, equality and justice.
(6) Nonsense Religion practice:
In Hindu Religion, Only priest or his family can read holy book. Propaganda, " If other cast or other people read book, they will be sick or happen bad for them." So other people or must of the Indian or Nepalese people who are belief Hindu religion they do not know about actual Hindu religion. They never ever see the holy book or read the holy book. This is 100% true. This is nonsense religion practice. In Christian religion, everybody read bible, even they distribute free books and encourage them to read and talk about bible in church.
(7) Blind, conservative and backward education practice:
Most of the Hindu people do not know about fact about Hindu religion and what is all about. They just follows the what priest say to them. You can find a lots of fairy tales. Nobody read holy books and understood the facts about religion. This is just Blind religion. This is very conservative religion that you can't touch holy book because you are not belong to that cast or person. Hindu religion concept is very dominating and ruling to society. So priest can control to other people in society in the named of religion and God. This is totally and pure no democratic religion and cultural practice.
Conclusion: Hindu religion's based on pure no democratic, unrealistic, unethical, conservative, corrupted religion, corrupted social and culture practices. So we can obviously whoever practice Hindu religion that people, society or country are backward. That's way western people or western countries developed faster and faster. And Hindu people proud to go to western country and serve and die there. Hindu people think western country is heaven and land of opportunity. Think and understand why western are good and why Hindu are the worst?
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| Error in matters |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 02:23 PM
(1) Danger Tool for corruption:
A pundits (Priest) do not cultivate land or farming anything, he just read old conservative philosophy and do daily practices based on book. He goes to poor and desperate framers home and asks for pray to good for good health and wealth. Then, Priest asks farmer to give healthy cow, bulls, gold, money, textiles and food to donate him as god's will or make happy to god. And poor farmer do whatever priest asked for. Farmer already poor but these activities make him the poorest.
(2) Evil and Dirty theory: In Hindu, religion you have to do sacrifice to different animal to different gods and goodness. There is no animal right. There is no civilization. You have to pray to "Shiva Ling". Shiva means (God of creator and destroyer) and Ling means " male sexual organ ". This is not ethical practice. In holy festival Thij, all women have to go to Pashupati and will pray in Indian Jogies and yogi's pennies.
(3) Unrealistic: In Hindu holy books, written in what yogis or priests thought that is god or goodness. If you read Hindu holy book, you can find all kind of flying, killing, fighting, kidnapping, Rapping, looting etc.
(4) Creation of corrupted Social and culture:
In Hindu religion culture, Farmer must do only cultivate land and only do farming. Farmer must not go to school and read book, and must not learn read and write. So the truth is that if farmer and lower poor people go to school and learn read and write means, Priest will loose income.
(5) No democratic, No human/ animal right, No equality, No justice:
In Hindu religion, women must not go to school. If she goes to school, she will be witch. Women only do serve as a housewife. Man and women are not equal right. Whatever holy book say is truth and right, beyond that is not right, that will be evil or bad. Discourage for scientific or modern development. There is no democratic right, equality and justice.
(6) Nonsense Religion practice:
In Hindu Religion, Only priest or his family can read holy book. Propaganda, " If other cast or other people read book, they will be sick or happen bad for them." So other people or must of the Indian or Nepalese people who are belief Hindu religion they do not know about actual Hindu religion. They never ever see the holy book or read the holy book. This is 100% true. This is nonsense religion practice. In Christian religion, everybody read bible, even they distribute free books and encourage them to read and talk about bible in church.
(7) Blind, conservative and backward education practice:
Most of the Hindu people do not know about fact about Hindu religion and what is all about. They just follows the what priest say to them. You can find a lots of fairy tales. Nobody read holy books and understood the facts about religion. This is just Blind religion. This is very conservative religion that you can't touch holy book because you are not belong to that cast or person. Hindu religion concept is very dominating and ruling to society. So priest can control to other people in society in the named of religion and God. This is totally and pure no democratic religion and cultural practice.
Conclusion: Hindu religion's based on pure no democratic, unrealistic, unethical, conservative, corrupted religion, corrupted social and culture practices. So we can obviously whoever practice Hindu religion that people, society or country are backward. That's way western people or western countries developed faster and faster. And Hindu people proud to go to western country and serve and die there. Hindu people think western country is heaven and land of opportunity. Think and understand why western are good and why Hindu are the worst?
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| ? |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 02:24 PM
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| ??? |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 02:46 PM
"What if all Nepalis became Christian?"
"What if all Nepalis became Christian?"
- An interview with Mr. R.B. Rokaya
This year [1997] Dr. R. B. Rokaya (42), an Associate Professor at the
Pulchowk Institute of Engineering, celebrated Tihar for the first
time since he was a boy.
To Rokaya if felt like a coming home, second time in his life.
Rokaya, a Hindu by birth, experienced his first homecoming when he
became a Christian as a 21 year old student. It was only after Rokaya
had been an active in the church member for some year that Rokaya
realized he was kept in a prison." Together with a group of friends he left the
church and started a "Sagarmatha Fellowship," a group of Christian who wants
to find the essence of Christianity and remove its cultural make up.
Since then Rokaya's eyes were opened to the realities of his society,
including corruption, the violation of human rights and the
shortcomingof democracy.
Q & A:Christianity in Nepal regularly has been fiercely criticized by
governmental officials, the media and individual people. How do you
feel about that, being a Christian yourself?
"Christian have been accused of many things, but it boils down to two
things: anti-nationalism and destruction of Nepal's rich cultural
heritage.
Both are true in a sense. A Nepali who becomes a Christian literally
starts a new life. He or she will no longer celebrate local
festivals,will start wearing Western clothes and will adapt a Western lifestyle.
Family is hardly important any more, now the so called Christian
brothers and sisters have become his real family. He of she will no longer be
involved in politics and will hardly be part of society. That is what
worries non-Christian, and it should.
Q: What kind of experiences made you rethink Nepali Christianity?
"The only kind if Christianity I experienced up to recently has been
European Christianity. When I joined the Protestant church in
Calcutta as a student I started wearing ties and dressed up suited-booted. I simply
was a part of being a Christian, as many people do. I copied the other
peoples Western lifestyle, and focused completely on church life. It was only
when my family members back in my village in Jajarkot became church
members too that I realized that there was an enormous social conflict involved.
They suddenly were no longer allowed to join village rituals, like those
related to birth and death, and suffered badly because of that. In Nepali
villages people depend on each other, and one cannot afford to be dissociated
from social ife."
"In meantime I got a chance to visit churches in different parts of
the world: in East Asia, Europe and America. I realized Christians all
over the world follow western culture and are more or less uniform. I started
to think: what if all Nepalis become Christians, as our church leaders
would like to see? What would be left of our culture, of our colorful
tradition, of our ethnic diversity? What about politics, literature?
I realized that would be a dangerous trend. At the same time I became conscious of
the fact that I actually was given very little freedom. The church provides
guidelines in almost every field of life. At that time I wouldn't
even think of buying a news magazine or to watch TV. Everything had to be
Christian, from the pictures on the wall to the books on the shelves. I realized
I was sitting in a prison, as I did when I was a Hindu, only this time with
even less freedom."
Q: To what extent do Nepali Protestant Christians dissociate
themselves from political and social life?
"Nepali Protestant focus very much on conversion. Christian often
think and talk in numbers. For example in the "AD 2000" project, churches aim
to providing a bible to every household and establishing a church in
every Village Development Committee by the year 2000. They are a
heavenly-minded people, believing that our main mission is to ensure that maximum
number of people goes to heaven. Actually, all these ideas and plans come from
outside. Most churches depend on foreign money to sustain themselves,
and are used by international mission organization as a vehicle to
convert and to establish churches. The real needs of Nepali Christians are not to taken into account.
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on 10-Jul-02 02:47 PM
contd....
Famous missionaries and crusaders like Billy Graham and Louis Palou
came to Nepal, but instead organizing spectacular healing programs, can we
not use the money to build hospitals or houses for disable people? The
churches encourage their members to be involved in conversion and do not offer
proper advice on how to become a responsible member of the society.
Non-Christian festivals and rituals are only talked about in terms of
temptation. During Dasain, Tihar and national holidays churches
organize events, in order to prevent people going home and being tempted of
forced to participate in rituals. While Nepalis from all corners of the country
and even from abroad travel home, Christian gather within the four walls
of their churches. When people fail to abstain from the rituals, for
instance when they cut their hair and wear white clothes after a family member
had died, they are not allowed to enter the church."
Q: Why did you choose to leave the church, instead of trying to
transform the church from within?
"Our churches have inherited a colonial type of leadership. Pastors
are regarded to be God=92s representatives and their words are not
challenged. Therefor it would have been a difficult struggle to
change things from within. We left with a good understanding.
Q: What does sagarmatha fellowship stand for?
"We choose a Nepali name, because we thought that would be a good
start of the Nepalisation process. Sagarmatha represents the ultimate height,
and transparency and purity. As a group we try to define what the core of
Christianity is, and what part of culture. Christmas for instance is
not mentioned in the bible. Therefore we believe we have the freedom to
celebrate the coming of Jesus Christ, the victory of good over evil,
during Dasain. We motivate the members to be responsible members of society.
We don't have a paid pastor, because we believe we should have regular jobs like
everyone else. In our teaching we include social issues and we celebrate
national events like martyrs day. We have a democratic leadership and women
are equal to men. We do not accept foreign donor money, but we do allow
expatriates to become members like ourselves."
Interview taken by Lucia de Vries
(This article was originally published in Dec 96- Feb 97s Face to
Face)
From: ashutosh@post.harvard.edu (ashutosh@post.harvard.edu)
Subject: What if all Nepalis became Christians?
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| Agree with Above Reply |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 02:56 PM
I agree with above reply and messages.
Yes, it is true Hindu Religion is totally based on unrelastic, corrupted, non-democratice, non social, unethical cultural practices. Hindu religion is very danger Religion if you think about human social, cultural, political, scientific, educational developement. This religion is tool to push not forward or positive side, Hindu religion will push human mind and thinking power backward. Hindu religion makes people more and more conservative and poor thinker.
Hindu religion is creator of:
(1) Non-democratice
(2) Blind religion
(3) Un-equal treatment practice in society
(4) No human and animal right
(5) Using Hindu religion - looting other
(6) Hindu religion is power of corruption
(7) Un-ehtical Religion
(8) Harrasemet in education
(9) Tool of survival for corrupted bahuns (priest)
(10) Tool of earn easy money and wealth
(11) worship of unrealistic god and godness
(12) conservative and backward knowledge
(13) Hindu Religion doesn't have equality, freedom, right and justice
(14) Hindu Religion is encourage in corruption because this religion begin with corruption.
(15) Hindu Religion was created by stone age priest. In the stone age, Priest wrote the story bookes of Royal king and their famil life and corrupted people turned these books in religion what they said is "Hindu Religion".
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Posted
on 10-Jul-02 03:08 PM
Dirty Corrupted Evil Holy
ID: 99698197 Posted on 07-10-02 2:20 PM Reply | Notify Me
(1) Danger Tool for corruption:
A pundits (Priest) do cultivate land or farming anything, he just read old conservative philosophy and do daily practices based on book......Conclusion: Hindu religion's based on pure no democratic, unrealistic, unethical, conservative, corrupted religion, corrupted social and culture practices....
Error in matters
ID: 99698197 Posted on 07-10-02 2:23 PM Reply | Notify Me
(1) Danger Tool for corruption:
A pundits (Priest) do not cultivate land .....Conclusion: Hindu religion's based on pure no democratic, unrealistic, unethical, conservative, corrupted religion, corrupted social and culture practices...
Agree with Above Reply
ID: 99698197 Posted on 07-10-02 2:56 PM Reply | Notify Me
agree with above reply and messages.
Yes, it is true Hindu Religion is totally based on unrelastic, corrupted, non-democratice, non social, unethical cultural practices.
Hey ID:99698197,
What are you doing posting message yourself and replying your message
'... I agree with above reply and messages. .....Yes, it is true Hindu Religion is totally based on unrelastic, corrupted, non-democratice, non social, unethical cultural practices.....'
by yourself?
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| Professor |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 03:51 PM
This message to "DhakaTopi" and supporters.
Hello DhakaTopi. Your name "DhakaTopi" is perfactly match as you named yourself. I can't do comment about it. I don't mean to hurt your feeling, but honestly you need more study and schooling.
Before you claimed about " Hindu is Democratic Religion ". You must study about Hindu Religion at least for basic knowledge, but actually vast study must required for this topic.
You do not understand what is Democratic and Religion? And you don't have deep knowledge about "Hindu Religion"?
It seems like you are jumping without notice there is a big black hole.
Basic Theory of Religion is:
(1) Don't harm, hurt, and kill other.
(2) Respect and Love other.
(3) Don't do any bad activities.
(4) Give right, freedom, justice and equality.
(5) Share good and bad situation with other.
(6) Help other.
(7) Don't cheat, be honest.
(8) God must be only one and one for all people.
In truth and real Hindu society and activities, you don't see implementation of basic theory Religion. Most of the time, we can find 100% opposite activities form the Religion. Seriously, there is no Pure or clean Religion countries like Nepal and India. If there is no pure or clean activities or action, there will no democracy and religion, too.
Hint: In deep study and research, Hindu Religion even doesn't have implementation of basic theory of religion. Hindu is only poor social and cultural practices which poor people carried out from generation to generation.
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| side note |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 10:50 PM
The indus valley region was once a prosperios and flourishing region with a vibrant economy. "Takshashila" was a great place of learning.
I took the following excerpt from another source:
"There is a misconception that the city was destroyed by the Huns. Chinese pilgrims, particularly Hiuen Tsang, gave extensive accounts of how the city developed. With the advent of the Muslims, the city moved towards the hill and the remains of the Hindu Shahi period are still found in Giri. It is here that Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni fought against the Hindu Shahi rulers. He, for the first time, built a mosque and a madressah. As the city had moved towards the hill, the old name of Taxila was given up. "
And again from a paper produced by hindus within Pakistan printed the following material:
"Though many people associate Taxila as a city of Buddhist heritage, the concept that this is also the place of Hindu heritage has been downplayed by many. " You may see it online at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/7295/taxila.html.
"Chandragupta's capital was Pataliputra, a city nine by two miles, surrounded by walls of timber, 570 towers, a moat 900 feet wide and 30 feet deep. The wealthy of Pataliputra had sumptuously furnished homes surrounded by gardens, fruit trees and ornamental ponds. They enjoyed festivals, gambling, horsemanship, horseracing, archery, swimming competition, and private parties on each other's terraces. "
"their city had a university, where Brahmins taught grammar, rhetoric, economics and politics. Pataliputra also had trade guilds and schools that taught crafts and technical subjects. "
All the above go on to prove that the sanatan Dharma called "Hinduism" by the neophyte westerners was once the way to living by all of the people living in south asia be they rich or poor. But with the advent to western imperialism and its growing power in the last 400 hundered years have attempted to wipe out all traces of vedic dharma. But they have failed inspite of their dedication.
This website http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/7295/taxila.html mentions that:"Vegetarianism is an ancient Hindu concept that is gaining popularity and prominence in the West amongst non-Hindus and yet paradoxically, it is being ignored and seen by an increasing number of Hindus and Buddhists as a "backward" practice".
One of the propagandist has said above that Hindus believe in killing animals and so on. While I don't have the time to reply to all his allegations the above statement is ample proof that the opposite is true. Because Hinduism gives people freedom of choice those of us who are non-vegetarians are also accepted into the fold. But this is another matter.
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| mannerman |
Posted
on 10-Jul-02 11:01 PM
MissManners,
No need to be apologetic about saying a few sanskrit words. Western scientists are finding "NEW?" ways of doing things that had been written in sanskrit all along. We, forgetting our roots blindly follow others not realising that we are the original powers.
While I understood that "tatsa.kalyan bhabatu" means may good come upon you. I did not understand what "sarbam mama" means. Could somebody explains this to me. I would love to know more sanskrit words.
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 11-Jul-02 08:00 AM
Mannerman,
Sarbam Mama is a Vedantic word. You need to understand Vedantic principle to understand the meaning of Sarbam Mama.
Vedanta is considered to be the last step in the religious/spiritual life of a sadhak.
1. Karma
2. Puja
3. Bhakti
4. Advaita
Sarbam Mama falls under the fourth category. It is not just hard but almost impossible to realize Sarbam Mama without the deep-rooted bhakti. Ram Krishna Paramhansa teacher of Vivakenanda once said, "Gyan without bhakti is baseless".
Please read the biography of Vivakananda or Ram Krishna. As the most recent sages of the last century their experience and thoughts are very helpful. (I also like Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda)
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| translator |
Posted
on 11-Jul-02 09:47 AM
Sarbam means "everybody" and mama means "me". That is everybody is god and god is everybody.
This is the principle of oneness of the world,galaxy- the entire universe. As "taha cha " has said this is Adwait phylosophy.
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| translator |
Posted
on 11-Jul-02 09:50 AM
The above picture shows a slice of universe with uncountable stars bigger than our sun. But all this manyness is essentially one.
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| Study of Hindusim |
Posted
on 11-Jul-02 11:29 AM
Research Report from Hindu Religion Organization:
The caste system:
Although the caste system was abolished by law in 1949, it remains a significant force throughout India.
Each follower of Hinduism belonged to one of the thousands of Jats (communities) that existed in India. The Jats were grouped into four Varna (social castes), plus a fifth group called the "untouchables." A person's Jat determined the range of jobs or professions from which they could choose. Marriages normally took place within the same Jat. There were rules that prohibited persons of different groups from eating, drinking or even smoking with each other. People were once able to move from one Varna to another. However, at some time in the past (estimates range from about 500 BCE to 500 CE), the system became rigid, so that a person was generally born into the Jat and Varna of their parents, and died in the same group. "The caste system splits up society into a multitude of little communities, for every caste, and almost every local unit of a caste, has its own peculiar customs and internal regulations." The Rigveda defined four castes. In decreasing status, they are normally:
Brahmins (the priests and academics)
Kshatriyas (rulers, military)
Vaishyas (farmers, landlords, and merchants)
Sudras (peasants, servants, and workers in non-polluting jobs).
The Dalit were outcasts who do not belong to one of the castes. Until the late 1980's they were called Harijan (children of God). They worked in what are considered polluting jobs. They were untouchable by the four castes; in some areas of the country, even a contact with their shadow by a member of the Varnas was considered polluting.
Practicing untouchability or discriminating against a person because of their caste is now illegal. The caste system has lost much of its power in urban areas; however it is essentially unchanged in some rural districts. The government has instituted positive discrimination in order to help the Dalit and lower castes.
What do you think?
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| Real Hindu Religion |
Posted
on 11-Jul-02 11:44 AM
How great Hindu Religion is?
http://users.forthnet.gr/ath/nektar/kma/main.htm
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| MissManners |
Posted
on 11-Jul-02 05:15 PM
Hello again.
I am glad somebody is on the path to enlightenment. Well my fellows mannerman and thaha chha explained it a little what sarbam mama means. I advise you to read Yogananda and other Vedanti Saints too to know more about the word. I value their insights on that. Ramakrishna was a good example too. I also find Mother Teresa very inspiring in understanding sarbam mama. Ok this much for now. Rest, explore on your own. I am just 22 and I am sounding like a pro here. So better keep quiet now. Namaste'.
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| Mr Chettri |
Posted
on 11-Jul-02 07:31 PM
Well looks like the final conclusion is :
"We will stick to our grandfathers old Banyan tree no matter what ...."
..probably because we have no other choice or probably we dont have any chance to fit in any other society ....
..or the worst case might be probably we were destined to be morons ...no matter what ..
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| Taha Cha |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:07 AM
Sarbam means everyone but the philosophy behind it is Vedanta. I will not be able to explain the principles of Vedanta in this user group; I am neither a preacher nor a writer. Any way I will try to do my best to express my views about the existence and meaning of Sarbam Mama.
Vedanta believes in the unification of the universe. We are not different from Nature, the matter, as our body is made out of it. We are not different from life as every one has spirit/soul. Vedanta looks in the similarities of the universe and how it directly affects the very existence of us (I).
To learn more about Vedanta, Vivakenanda/Yogananada has several books published. My favorite one is the Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda. It is one of the best sellers since it was published in 1946. Autobiography of Ramakrishna is also very insightful and inspiring.
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| Religious |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 01:07 PM
Mr Chettri,
Don't try to put words in our mouth. Who ever said "We will stick to our grandfathers old Banyan tree no matter what ...." As far as I can see, it is only You who is saying that!
We have understood our way of life and choose to live our life in the way our sages have researched.
What do you mean Mr. Chettri about "we dont have any chance to fit in any other society...". So does religion mean to fit in a society to you? huh!
Then you do not know what is religion. You do things just because some guy from developed country does. If the guy is gay then you will also become gay because you think it is cool to become one. So that you can fit in their society.
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