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| chandrasurya |
Posted
on 12-Jul-02 09:45 PM
I found the following section being told by a christian:
"I am not religious per se, but spiritual in my own way. I had to live for a week with a group of missionaries in Nepal and I was very upset with the way they conducted themselves. I felt a very bad vibe from them, and that any 'gifts' they gave were really with some expectations of converting people. I tried to counteract what they did. They told people that their own religious practices were wrong and immoral, and they they should convert to the 'one true way' etc -- all the normal evangelical stuff. I dislike that greatly. I find it very demeaning. I would never try to do anything like that even if I were a follower of a particular religion. "
I mean what do you think of these instances of conversion attempts?
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| why conversion? |
Posted
on 12-Jul-02 10:14 PM
According to national consensus of nepal, district of highest christian population is DHADING where almost all people of more than 5 VDC of northern parts are converted into christianity from buddhism and hinduism. They are poorest of the poor people. LITERACY rate is very low in these VDCs, even to find one person in one VDC who has passed SLC is also very difficult, but now they can recite lines of bible now some of my friends have gone there through NGO and they told me this fact. Yeah, People have freedom to choose the religion what they like but what's the meaning of religion there if people are just converted thru the greed of some money or some material support?
I read KB ROKAYA(who has been converted into christian at the age of 21 and have become president of nepal bible society, but after soo many years he celebrated TIHAR)'s interview where he said what will happen to nepali culture and heritage if all nepali will be converted into christianity????? After working so many years in christian missionary, ha has realized that these missionarys are so corrupted and operated by so called narrow minded pastors that all the converted christians are kept in dark.
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| Yohan |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 01:04 AM
Human failure, human failure every where. The best theing in the hands of men becomes stained because of human failure.
Missionnaries are not wrong if they love the Nepalese people and cross lands and seas to present them Christ and the Gospels. It is due to the love of mankind in the heart of the missionaries that take them far and wide. If few others are around in the cloak of missionaries doing something else and defaming real missionaries, it is further a sad thing...
The words of Christ are very authentic. He means Salvation for everyone in the World. No National Religion or National gods can save any one of any Nation. Somebody has to take the message. These are missionaries... If some of them do not have message, they are not part of the missionaries but a dead fly in the apothecary...
The weakness and failure is one thing but denial is altogether another.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 06:14 AM
Yohan,
who wrote the Bible???? Who translated it in english??? How many times has the bible been changed ?
How do you know that words in the bible are Jesus' words???
Christianity is as blind as any other religion, infact christians are arragont to think that they are superior are the only ones to go to heaven, how stupid.
WHY IS JESUS KNOWN AS SON OF A GOD?? IF HIS FATHER WAS GOD THEN WHO THE HECK IS HE AND WHAT THE FCK IS HIS NAME??? WHAT RELIGION DOES HE FOLLOW??
DID HE GO TO HELL TOO FOR BEING A JEW????
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| arrrighteeee |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 09:00 AM
chandrasurya,
sage radachowsky's (not that i read his posts *religiously*, but this is the first time i've heard of him identified as a christian) comment which you quoted really doesn't say anything new. there's a wide range of missionaries working in nepal, just as there is a wide range of expatriate development workers, nepali politicians, self-appointed international observers (human rights missionaries?), and so on...
basically, you're referring to *bread missionaries*, who *buy* spiritual conversions with material *gifts*. while i think it's safe to assume many people have mixed feelings about this, i think it's safe to say that not all missionaries are the same and that nepal is better off having hosted missionary orgs. such as united mission to nepal and international nepal fellowship.
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| BHENDA |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 12:28 PM
Yohan ji,
I am still waiting for your reply?
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 03:28 PM
christians,
pls answer my questions. I really want to know Jesus' falther 'God', I am really interested to know who he was and what religion he followed.
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| hindu |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 10:15 PM
good point bhenda. These christians are stupid to believe that they only go to heaven!
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| Harry |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 10:39 PM
Dear Mr Hindu,
There are many reasons why a nepali is converting to Christianity.
#May be there are some who actually believe that they will go to heaven.
#There are plenty of nepalis for whom it is an opportunity to get rid of the dirty Hindu tag ... and upgrade to a society that would give him more respect,equality and freedom...i am not sure if there are that many people who actaully believe that there is God sitting up there...
#And there are lots of people who dont always believe that i would stick to my grandfather's old banyan tree no matter what ...
In fact i would like to go one step further and i ask u to justify why u have not converted .... of course in a society like nepali where most of the peoples action are based on "What will the neighbors say?" ..i guess that is the answer ...
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| hindu |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 11:11 PM
There goes another (unsuccessful) attempt to create a new christ_ian !
Sheesh ! You Christ ko bachcha haru will never learn how to respect other religions. I'm sure you have recently been brainwashed from harke to harry. If so, shame on you for thinking that by changing into a christian, christ will invite you in his home to stay with him in your after-life.
>... and upgrade to a society that would give him more respect,equality and freedom.
Who gives you a rat's ass of respect and equality just coz you're a christian ? This is prolly the most important thing (for you guys) that strikes you in your p-size brain; upgrading to a society where you can get :respect, equality and freedom. Again, who the fuc k has given you respect for being a christ ko anuyayi?
And even if you are a pure christian, you should still be dropped in to Dante's inner circle of hell for making attempts to change people's belief and their trust for each other. Yes I am proud that I will stick to my old grandpa's banyan tree no matter what and will show you " oo1oo" if you try to use your p-sized brain to enlighten us.
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| Yohan |
Posted
on 15-Jul-02 11:30 PM
Dear Bhenda
I am not quite surprised to notice you foaming and spitting. I think in such a situation what you are waiting for is not a genuine answer. You are ready to attack any approach
We help only those who are in genuine need, not those who foam and spit on hearing about the way of life and truth. Not only do these type reject any good message but they do not have any useful message for others as well.
I am by nature like Buddha but guided by the Spirit of Christ and grateful to God the Father (His Holy Name should not be taken in vain by the sinners, who by nature are his enemies and wait for a certain destruction for rejecting His grace and Salvation made available to mankind through Lord Jesus Christ) and do not like to step into arguement for no benefit to any.
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| hindu |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 12:20 AM
Wow, christian banisake pachhi manchhe ko boli ma kati mithaas aaudaoraichha yaar. The way they talk, as if they were another carnation of christ himself.
Still Hinduism rocks ! you morons never really exerienced being a hindu !
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Posted
on 16-Jul-02 12:38 AM
Yohan,
By reading your comments you seem to be preposterous and trying to persuade people by tricky words. You have no understanding of Buddhatwa or Rishitwata. If you do please spell it out.
Have you ever thought why there is so much similarity in the saying of Jesus and Buddha? There are many incidents that the words of Buddha matches exactly of Christ. Is this all co-incidence? some examples below:
1. Do to others as you would have them do to you. Luke 6:31
Consider others as yourself. Dhammapada 10:1
2. If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also. Luke 6:29
If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you
should abandon any desires and utter no evil words. Majjhima Nikaya 21:6
3. Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray
for those who abuse you. From anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold
even your shirt. Give to everyone who begs from you; and if anyone takes away your
goods, do not ask for them back. Luke 6:27 - 30
Hatreds do not ever cease in this world by hating, but by love: this is an eternal truth.
Overcome anger by love, overcome evil by good...Overcome the miser by giving,
overcome the liar by truth. Dhammapada 1.5 & 17.3
You should also read about the life of Christ before he appeard in front of the temple at age seventeen.
http://a1.nu/christian/jesus-christ/lived_in_india.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1340/jesus_in_india.htm
http://www.spinninglobe.net/jesustomb.htm
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| nepalichora |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 12:51 AM
Live and let live in peace.
I have no respect for the person that preaches superiority in his belief. This is the main cause of conflict for the numerous wars that had happened. There are more wars fought in the name of religion in than any other war. So much destruction has already happened and will continue to happen until there are people like Yohan that preach inequality. This is an example of insecurity of the preacher being enforced on others.
The main cause of conflict is religion for most problems of the world. Two thums down to Yohan and his belief.
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| Yohan |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 01:59 AM
Hi all,
It appears that we all have our own pre-destined destiny that puts us at difference in meeting at this chautari. Nepalichhora thinks that all wars and destructions are due to religion. I think it is due to irreligion. If there are people who think that peace is a burden and puts to subjugation, peace can never give them peace. They go to war against the just and peaceful and that's how war ravages.
May these brave warriors come out to fight for the just cause. It shall be justified. The dead will rise in the better world for which they fought in the name of God and His Commandments, by using Spiritual weapons against the spiritual forces of darkness that rules this world.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 09:30 AM
Yohan,
Why am I a sinner? I dont cheat, lie, kill, steal, sometimes I get angry with people like you and thats it. I dont think God is mean like you Christians have potrayed him, he does not judge people like you do, and if he does then he is not God.
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| bhenda |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 09:33 AM
Yohan,
You are a fanatic, like the kind of Bin Laden. You are blind.
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Posted
on 16-Jul-02 01:19 PM
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| Bbhenda is Ggod |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 03:55 PM
to err is human, to forgive is divine. try the latter.
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| Harry |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 07:14 PM
Dear Mr Hindu,
For your information i am an upper caste hindu ....
Now i since i am talking to a brainless hollow moron,let me explain it this way.
Boss,if you want to understand why a person converts to Christianity you will have to put yourself in his shoes ...and try to see things from his perspective ...
the way upper caste people have treated the lower caste people they will be more than happy to convert to christianity ... that is more like a reward ...
Who would like live in community where u are treated like crap ...forget about others,my mom wont drink water in a lower caste people's house ... forget about them converting them,they will hunt down a pastor and force him to convert them ..at the gunpoint ...
Forget about lower caste people ..... u are a perfect motivation even for an upper caste person to adopt a christian society ...i am sure all your upper caste neighbors would rather chose to be a christian rather then be a self centred bastard like you ...
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 07:21 PM
Harry,
You just said what type of family you come from, no wonder you have converted from Hari to Harry.
I just dont understand why religion is so important to you? Cant you live without religion? Are you so weak that you have to have God in your life to carry on with your life?
I believe in God But I dont believe in man made stories like Bible or Geeta or Whatever.
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| Harry |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 07:45 PM
Mr Bhenda,
I am not sure what u mean by my type of family .... i would really like to know if your folks were invited in a kaami's house for dinner how many members would volunteer for that ...i know thats how every upper caste family works ...thats the way they are brought up ...they dont have any grudge against that fellow ...
Well religion is a question not just about God ... it is more about the soceity u live in ...and how much do u respect other ...or how much does others respect you..
i know how much lower caste people hate upper caste at the same time .....
i may say theoritically,i dont hate anyone and no one hates me because of my caste ... that is all bullshit ...everyone knows the truth ....
Given all these facts,not just lower caste people but Upper caste people too are attracted by Christianity ...
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 16-Jul-02 08:36 PM
Harry
My family has never practiced untouchability. I am not sure about what you mean by upper class and lower class family. As long as I remember I have always respected other people and they have respected me too.
I know old and uneducated people practise untouchability, I know its hard to tell them what to do but dont you think they do that because they have been brainwashed and they refuse to change? Its hard for people to change specially when they are old.
Untouchability and caste system has nothing to do with Hindu religion, those rules were just made by some king long time ago.
I think its our duty to try to change our society not run away from it.
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| thinking |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 12:37 AM
I am one of those who is trapped with people who are Christian. My life partner is a catholic believer who goes to church every Sunday and would follow all catholic believes like not to use contraceptives, not to take God’s name in vain, and evolution being wrong etc. In the beginning, I have had long arguments about the validity of religion with her, but often times we come to no conclusions. What I have learnt is that religion seems to have taken the benefit of doubt of scientific facts. They see science as a mean of proving the work of god. And they see other religions as blind followers and theirs a true religion and a true god. It is very hard to argue out of it and prove them otherwise.
I used to try blunt arguments to dismiss religion, but I saw it not working; I used to say the miracles that they talk in bible is just stuff people thought are magic cause they are not very scientific minded; and god is just a way to answer the unanswered questions like how did human came etc. But arguing like that does not help since for them, they have been convinced about their belief and any rebuttal occur to them as disrespect to their belief and not willing to understand their feelings.
Since then, I have thought of a more diplomatic and strategic ways of arguing against religion which is logical enough for them to disregard the concept of god as such. But I should say that is not something easy. We cannot yet explain why human race exist in earth, and why did the big bang occur, and if time had meaning before big bang, and if the universe is gonna expand for ever. For us, we see it as an open ended question that is yet to be resolved, but for religions people, while they are told that God created the universe and hence god is present. What I thought is that the moment we can explain exactly why big bang occurred and where the entire energy and mass of the universe came from, we’ll be successful able to disprove god. Till then, I see no way out of arguing against religion.
Just like Christians are so good to convince people about their religion and make people come to their side with diplomatic words, the atheists need to have a diplomatic way, not brute force way, to convince them out of religion. I came to a dead end while doing so and I am leaving science to progress enough before I can find new points. What do you all think is the best way to argue against religion?
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| think |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 01:31 AM
religion is a culture where any thing is taken as a fact until proven otherwise. How to deal with it? We cannot obviously disprove god till now.
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| GeoGods |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 02:33 AM
I am the only living god in this Earth.
www.GeoGods.com
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:56 AM
Thinking is very right.
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| chandrasurya |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 10:16 AM
Mr. Harry we cannot be sure of what you are or what you are not. For all we know you might be a fcking christian priest named Garry.
Who says there is a "dirty Hindu tag". I am a follower of Sanatan Dharma and I never heard of this so-called tag being hung on us Hindus.
I have lived in USA for long but never heard them saying anything derogatory against Hindus directly in my face. These people try to understand others' philosophy. Thus though not born hindus they have become living hindus.
Mr Harry, you have asked somebody to justify "why u have not converted?". This points to the fact that you have indeed converted since you find it difficult to understand why anybody should not want to convert. Thus you can no longer call yourself a upper caste hindu.
I wish you all the best in your new found religion, but what is this you said "upgrade to a society". So is upgrading to a society all that matters to you. Looks like you have converted to christianism just to fit into some higher society people's circle.
As for this banyan analogy it is better to stick to grandfather's old banyan tree than climb somebody else's "chana ko jhad" if attacked by a tiger let's say.
Also Mr. harry I read Mr. Hindu's postings. I saw nothing provocative in his writings that you should call him "bastard" etc. In fact ,saying this word you have proved that you are an uncivilized bigot whose sense of argument is calling names to other party.
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