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| sparsha |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:06 AM
'Buddha was born in Orissa, not Nepal'
Research has revealed that Gautam Buddha was not born at Kapilavastu in Nepal, but at Kapileswar near Bhubaneswar in Orissa.
If interested, follow the link below.
http://headlines.sify.com/1017news4.html?headline='Buddha~was~born~in~Orissa,~not~Nepal'
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| funk that bunk |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:25 AM
so is *indian* chief sitting bull--big whoop. anyone else notice the fact that in the headline orissa (a state) is being compared to nepal (a country)? oh, i forgot, it's nepal PRADESH to the lowlanders. i think that since ashutosh's name has been invoked in this article, that he should weigh in on this (non)issue. also, this poorly written article seems to imply that there's a direct connection between visiting a place and actually being born there. if that's the case, then i can't begin to count the number of birthplaces i have. in other news, k2 has lost sufficient ground against sagarmatha, so that it is now a danda. and why is some japanese agency being called in to *indianvestigate*? isn't unesco better suited?
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| manashalu |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:33 AM
From Times of India:
British academics say they have solved Buddha-related riddle
LONDON: Two British university academics working in Nepal believe they have solved a riddle that could rewrite the history of one of the world's oldest religions.
Archaeologists Robin Coningham and Armin Schmidt are awaiting results that could settle a major dispute on where the Buddha or Prince Siddhartha Gautama grew up. For the last four years, the Bradford University academics have been working on a Unesco-funded dig at Tilaurakot in Nepal.
They say the Buddha was born in nearby Lumbini and 19th century archaeologists believe the remains of Kapilavastu, Buddha's hometown, were to be found in nearby Tilaurakot.
But these claims were discredited in the 1960s after Indian archaeologists said key finds at the site did not go back far enough in time and only dated to 200 B C, which was 300 years after the Buddha is believed to have lived.
Now the Unesco team, working with Nepal's chief archaeologist Kosh Acharya, has found items, including iron furnaces, terracotta crucibles and fragments of painted bowls, which confirm the accuracy of the 19th century archaeologists.
Coningham expects to receive carbon-dating results that will confirm his findings within weeks. He compares the Unesco project with searches for major Christian sites like Nazareth. "Seldom has archaeology had such a superb opportunity to uncover the origins of one of the world's greatest religions," he said.
"We are now quite certain that the excavated finds date back to as late as the seventh or eighth centuries B C, which certainly pre-dates the period when Buddha is thought to have lived."
He hopes the discovery will help attract tourists and investment back to Nepal, whose Buddhist sites have been relatively neglected.
Indian experts continue to believe that the site of Pipprahawa was the home of the young Buddha. But the British archaeologists believe Indian archaeologists dated the remains at Tilaurakot incorrectly because they tested only one section and not the deepest.
Coningham, who is due to fly back to Nepal next April to work on a new dig, says there has been huge local interest in the Unesco project.
"We had some Buddhist monks visiting when we were there, asking to have some of the mud that was being excavated to use in a ceremony, because Buddha could have walked on it", he said in an interview published in a Bradford newspaper. "I've also had some absolute nutters on the phone with questions about the origins of Buddha, so it's been a very interesting time!"(IANS)
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:44 AM
Sparsha,
I have heard that "Buddha was born in India" from Indian media since I was 5 years old but the archaeological evidance proves other wise. There are many evidances that shows Buddha was born in Kapilvastu. This attempt is nothing more from some "narrow minded" Indian media to claim Buddha as its own.
FYI Some useful sights
http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-ENG/buh.htm
http://www.cwnews.com/Browse/1996/02/17.htm
There are more information out there..
Regards.
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| NK |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:48 AM
With all due respect to my fren Sparsha, I think he is a RAW agent. He is being paid by Indian Propoganda Machine aka IPM.
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| Mr Nepali |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:49 AM
'Buddha was born in Orissa, not Nepal' or 'Buddha was born in India, not Nepal' is the same thing.That is one of the goal that Indian government wants to achieve since a long time to attract the Buddhists tourists in visiting India rather than Nepal.
This sparsha and Indian authorities are the Jackass who are the experts in propoganding such stuffs in the whole world.
Hey you jachasses bug off.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 08:58 AM
Mr Nepali,
Either you learn to control your temper or learn to read correctly.
I am no less patriotic than you are. I am also a Nepali and my love to Nepal is as unconditional as other rastra premi Nepalis.
What I posted was not my opinion. I merely provided the link for the news.
Keep your damn jackass adjective to yourself.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:00 AM
Indians say that Mt Everest is in India too.
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| sangey |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:01 AM
NK,
Don't you think this posting by Mr. Nepali proves the point I made in the "GBNC Directory" thread? Poor Sparsha.
Sangey.
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| NK |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:11 AM
Sangey, hehehe. I know. I know. Yes poor sparsha. Sparsha, my dear, if you provide a link that you don't agree with, maybe you should start giving some sort of symbol. Ashu says he will put a tiny hat for his sarcastic posting. How about 5 exclamation marks in the beiginning and like 10 more at the end of the link?
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| carbon date this india! |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:30 AM
carbon dating? how passe! why let science get in the way of a good hindi melodrama?
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| Mr.Nepali |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:35 AM
Hey you Mr Sparsha now i'm 100% sure that you are an Indian jackass.Calling yourself patriotic Nepali don't try to full us you jackass.I won't get surprise if you show us your Nepalicitizenship.You must have bought that one.Buying the Nepalese citizenship you can't be a Nepali.We except you are Nepali by heart and by blood even though we live aboard.
You jack ass if u would have been Nepali then you would have provided the links like Mr taha cha which are as follows.
http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-ENG/buh.htm
http://www.cwnews.com/Browse/1996/02/17.htm
So i call you again an indian spy or simply Jachass
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:36 AM
Sangey and NK,
What's up?
Byan byanai Mr. Nepali le bore gardi ra bhanya!
Khali link matrai bhanda news ko tukra pani rakhera link dida ali sandarvik hola ki bhanera kosis gareko ta....
Afulai bahne tyo indian news padhna sath riiiiiiis uthera kasto...Buddha Nepali nai hunu parchha bhanne kehi jabarjasti ta chhaina....tyahi pani......
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:39 AM
Mr. Nepali,
you POS, what makes you better Nepali than me? What the hell do you know about me?
am I questioning you whether you are a Nepali or not? Who are you to dictate here how to post a link?
Full of crap!
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| bhenda |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:41 AM
Mr Nepali,
There is no need to be so damn rude.
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| def |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:48 AM
Mr. Nepali,
No need to be rude. Patrioism is not just your "thekka".
Chill.
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 09:48 AM
I read a similar article several several years ago. I'm sure most of you are like me - don't care where Buddha was born, I have faith and respect in his teachings, and that's all that counts. Besides, like 'carbon date this india!' said, why let science get in the way of good ( ) melodrama?
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| Mr.Nepali |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 10:05 AM
Hey jackass so you must be a good spy from India.I see that you have a knowledge of Nepali language in written,but i'm very much sure that you have a very bad Nepali pronunciation due to hindi ( National Jackasses language) or some Nepali gaddars are translating for you?
to those Nepali who don't care where buddha was born even though it is proved that Buddah was born in Nepali.Dhhikar to them for ignoring the Indian propoganda acting as if having oil on the ears.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 10:12 AM
I think most of us Nepalese have anger problem.
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| NK |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 10:13 AM
Hey guys some permisiveness is not permissable. I am of the mind that Some grounds are worth standing on and for. Buddha was born in Nepal and this has been proven again and again. I am not going to take India's assertion ("Officially" they never claim that, have you noticed? It is just that some small time reporter and some time newspaper brings this subject over and over) that Buddha (Siddhartha) was born in Inida. Mount Evererest was split in half and we stood and stared and gulped down the bitter pill. Thinking it was only half, thank the all mighty! Some may wanna claim some part of Nepal and India may wanna claim Buddha WAS BORN IN INDIA time and again, but I am not going to say yes yes whatever, let's just follow his teaching, shall we? WE SHALL FOLLOW HIS TEACHING but let's get this thing straight first: Buddha was born in Nepal.
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| Jame Bonds |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 10:15 AM
Budha was born in Ireland
According to BBCi correspondent Bill Higgins, the Contemporary Museum of London has carried out an extensive research on the birth place of buddha. Their research was based on a fossil believed to be the right thumb of buddha's mother. Extensive lab tests have proved that the type of soil discovered in the thumb came from the western province of Ireland. This discovery is bound to be questioned and critically acclaimed, due to which the information and the fossil is contained in a cryogenitally frozen Plu-de-non solution made of whip cream and strawberry juice.
______________________________________________
Now what do you believe in? Does it even make a difference where buddha was born? Feel the peace...
Peace Out!
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| listen up kids |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 01:05 PM
just because india pulls its annual pre-tourist season PR tradition of jerking nepal's chain over this nonissue (i believe it's been almost a year since this tread was last seen on sajha.com), it does not mean that nepalis need to fall for the same old trick every year and tear at one another like a pack of deccan wild dogs. here's what i propose.
wait for the unesco-backed carbon dating results. if you agree that the conclusions drawn from those results were arrived at objectively and accurately, even if you don't like the findings, resolve the issue in your mind. even if siddhartha gautam wasn't born in what is now nepal, nepal still has extremely rich buddhist cultures that rightly deserve to be preserved and, yes, marketed to some extent to tourists (that's what it's all about for the indians, peeps--cold, hard tourist dollars.)
the smart money's likely on nepal *winning* this one. if i'm correct, india's reputation for chaar sau bis will only increase. peace.
"it's all fun and games until someone loses a third eye." ~just made that up
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| NepGirl |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 03:45 PM
Everyone knows BUDHHA was BORN IN LUMBINI , NEPAL. why should we agree to any x y z British researchers anyway. Belayeti haru ko kura pani pattauney ho if you guys know the wolrd histroy. They are the most paapi/adharmi people. Afno mutthi ko laagi they destroy arka ko Muri...Israel ra palestain ani India ra pakistan lai na hera na......
kaag ley kaan lagyo bhandaima, kaag ko pachi daurdney ki kaan chaamney!!!!!
Om mani padme hum.....
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| get with the program |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 04:26 PM
nepgirl,
that's it, keep on living in the past. perhaps the japanese and british results will concur in nepal's favor. your assertion that "everyone knows buddha was born in lumbini, nepal" is patently false. millions of people couldn't even find nepal on a map. even if nepal's current stock of hard, scientific evidence on this issue is essentially correct, on the world stage, it's still he said/she said between two diametrically opposed parties. i, for one, would appreciate an objective, third party assessment.
admit it, even though you and i know that sagarmatha is taller than k2, it gives us both pleasure whenever yet another scientific "expedition" (whatever happened to the old excuse, "because it's there."?) concludes that--not only is everest taller than k2--the gap between the two is increasing in everest's favor. it's like, "in your FACE, pakistan!" wouldn't you just love to say "in your FACE, india!" based on their former colonial master's hard, scientific evidence?
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| stuffed doll |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 04:37 PM
No matter where Buddha was born, be it Nepal or India, it doesn't change the fact that he was a North Indian prince. Do we think of Madhises as Nepalis? NO, we don't. Then Why do Nepalis try so hard to make Buddha a Nepali? The Indian government should put this controversy to rest. Buddha was an Indian prince, and will always be an Indian prince. Where Buddha was born can never be solved, until someone invents the time machine, and untill then, let's just accept that he was born somewhere around the Indo-Nepal border.
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| Incredulous |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 04:40 PM
This news is so bakamfuse that even major Indian dailies of today didn't give
it any value.
Indian researchers once even claimed that they made water that runs motor.
Everybody know how good their research is.
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| india? where's that? |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 04:51 PM
no matter where india was born, it doesn't change the fact that it is a southern nepali province. the nepali government should put the matter to rest. the tibetan plate annexed the subcontinent plate by force. get in your time macheeeen and disprove it, jhaney.
>No matter where Buddha was born, be it Nepal
>or India, it doesn't change the fact that he
>was a North Indian prince.
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| Stuffed Doll |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 05:02 PM
Southern Nepali province, true. But folks who live there are related to Biharis. So technically, Buddha was an Indian. Buddha was called a Shakyamuni. Shakya=Scythian. People related to Scythians are Jats, Gujjars, Rajputs, etc, etc. Ya know, all the dolichocephalic folks.
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| we'll see uk results |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 10:11 PM
the indians really ought to zip it, as their conflict of interest precludes their objectivity in this case. once the unesco study is concluded, we'll see where the chips fall. btw, in which century was siddhartha gautam born? in which century was the nation of india formed?
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| jhor |
Posted
on 17-Jul-02 10:30 PM
The indians want everything for themselves. Their research has revealed that Jesus breathed his last in Kashmir, India and his tomb still lies there. The indians are saying orissa and Nepal like as if they both are staes of India.India sucks.
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| sangey |
Posted
on 18-Jul-02 09:24 AM
Buddha was a madhishe! Yes, you heard me right. He was down and out madhishe. Now, given the fact that we Pahadi Nepalis go to so much trouble to discriminate madhishes by calling them Indians, Outsiders, Dhotis, etc., and making them feel unwelcome, why on earth are we so up on arms about making sure that this particular madhishe, whom we call Buddha, is designated as Nepali. What does that say about us?
Being a Buddhist, it really does not matter to me where Sangey was born (buddha is also called Sangey), for the knowledge he has imparted to us humanity is above these petty artificial national boundaries.
Om Mane Peme Hum !!
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| repeated for sangey |
Posted
on 18-Jul-02 11:44 AM
sangey,
i said it already and will say it again for your benefit. it's about money, first and foremost.
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| whatever |
Posted
on 18-Jul-02 04:27 PM
didn't know that stupidity comes with so many names.... it is things like these that make us fight among each other.... today you will fight that buddha was an indian...tomorrow because Nepal is a hindu country buddha couldn't be born here and etc. etc. etc. WHAT KIND OF STUPIDITY IS THIS? you fight and have rude remarks ready and the bullshit at the end that nepali's stick together? WHAT makes you think that even madhise's are not Nepali? the people living in the tarai belt of Nepal whom you so fondly call Madhise's are nepali too...they have every right of being called a Nepali as the ones you call Pahadi's.
You do not like the fact that you are associated to india in any ways but you are dependent on India for so many things... when will we learn to accept the facts and open our eyes? if you dont like to be associated to indians then dont commit the same mistake they have....fight among each other in the name of religion, caste, region....
look what it has gotten them into.....and like someone said ppl cannot even locate Nepal in the map and if you get into the same conflicts like others..... looking at the size of nepal it wont take long to really wipe it out of the map......
P.S. please refrain from writing curse msgs to me because 1). it makes no difference to me....2). I am a Nepali too but I think being a Nepali doesn't mean you have the right to curse any other nationality... madhise's have as much right to be called Nepali as anyone else....3). guess what fellow nepalis we are not born with the priviledge of being something else....we are nepalis and the fact remains that our country is unknown to the world and unseen in the map...
so peace out idiots!!! ;)
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| j doe |
Posted
on 18-Jul-02 04:54 PM
No, Buddha wasn't a Madhise. He belonged to the Shakya clan. Shakyas= scythians. Scythians were originally blonde and blue eyed.
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| MadMax |
Posted
on 18-Jul-02 07:21 PM
DOESN'T MATTER WHERE BUDDHA WAS BORN. HIS TEACHINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT. GET IT???????????????????????
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| The name of God act fool |
Posted
on 18-Jul-02 07:28 PM
In the name of God, people who think himself or herself clean and religious in Nepal do activities stupid, destruction, poor mentality, unsocial and unlawful.
There are some good examples:
* Pundits in Pashupati temple fight for money, use politics to become high position priest. While you go to pashupati temple to pray, Pundits will called you first if show money in your hand.
* Cut down Piple tree of kapil Bhastu (place Buddha did mediation and learn holy education) and tree sold in Indian market for Indian currency.
* In name of god, lots of Indian Sadu come to Nepal and do free Hassis (Gaja) smuggling and do dirty sexual things with Nepalese woman. egg. some woman have baby from sadu, too.
* Kill lots of animals in the name of gods in Hindu Temple.
* In the name of god, Pundits asked you to give them gold, money, cow and buffalo or anything valuable in market as a “ Dan Dhachhina. “
We must do good and positive things for all living things and nature in the name of god, but Nepalese people who use the words Hindu religion that is missed use very badly.
It is scare to death if you deeply understand about Hindu Religion. Because Hindu Religion is not a true “Religion”.
- Jesus
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| Japanese |
Posted
on 18-Jul-02 08:56 PM
Nepalese are the most stupid people in the earth that I never ever imagine before.....
Your poorest mentality, your poorest education, your poorest personality, behavior and activities are the problem.
" It is O.K, You are corrupted and don't give back Japanese's Loan, But at least make drinking water enough and make Toliet or restroom enough......."
Do You know Your problem ? ....... don't have drinking water, and if you drink water, you don't have place to piss...
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| could be worse |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 11:31 AM
japani,
it could be worse...at least nepalis aren't japanESE. ;)
baca ching ching
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| (*)Y(*) |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 12:36 AM
buddha was born in hokkaido, happy now ?
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 07:09 AM
Dear Mr./Miss. Japan,
There are many smart people in the world and many dumb as well. It depends on how you see them. "Is the glass half empty or half full?" You are apparently not aware of the average Nepali success aboard.
It is easy to make fun of poor. Nepal does not have enough of anything; drinking water, electricity, bathrooms, roads etc. but it has enough of people that care. Nepalese are the people with a smile. If you have been to Nepal you will understand what I am talking about.
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| ananta |
Posted
on 05-Aug-02 12:47 PM
more explain from our LDT:
http://www.gorkhapatra.org.np/Daily_news/DailyNewsIndex.htm#world
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| ananta |
Posted
on 05-Aug-02 12:48 PM
CONTD..
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 05-Aug-02 04:07 PM
GOD DAMN IT..why are we fighting over Buddha's roots!!
Do you know why Nepal is poor? its because of buddha( WHY???) haha..well,
u see buddha was borne in nepal, he went to india in search of enlightenment and got it in bodhgaya and DID HE COME BACK...HELL NO!! Thus Brain Drain can be traced back to those days:) we are all followers of buddha....we are born in NEpal, we go abroad for higher education....and we get drained like our lord :)
oops fellas!! I meant all that in lighter terms!
What a boring day in progress!!
oys
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| crisis in middle-east |
Posted
on 06-Aug-02 01:10 PM
i was recently on a road trip with one of my friends.. we were headin' up to sanfrancisco cuz i was flyin' out and from nowhere we're talkin' about culture and religions.i told him what most of u folks here are arguin' about ..buddha is from nepal but the indians claim he hails from india..he put forward a Question to me..
DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHERE HE IS FROM?
That struck me deep....
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 06-Aug-02 01:18 PM
That should have struck our southern neighbors most.
Anyway, we are not fighting over his birthplace. We are only trying to resist the
dissemination of wrong information. It is our right to point out willful prevarication.
I guess American's will do the same if someone says Right brothers were from
Canada.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 06-Aug-02 02:35 PM
Here is a link for "Costly fraud", an editorial comment from the Kathmandu Post.
http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/englishdaily/ktmpost/2002/aug/aug03/editorial.htm
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| conscience |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 06:17 AM
hey japanese....
just because u guys r blessed with the creative brain ..u can't look down upon us"gorkhalis...aka nepalese"....Talking about stupidity....how about u counting urself as such..huh??? For eg...u knew about the CORRUPTION SYSTEM IN THE GORKHALAND..n then still u DONATED THE BUCKS....ON WHAT BASIS?? DIDN'T UR BRAIN EVER GAVE U THE IDEA OF WHETHER THE DONATIONS HAVE BEEN PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED OR NOT??..man/lady or whosoever..try lookin urself at the mirror before u raise ur fingers on others......
Hey..lemme correct ur view...NEPAL'S RANKED AMONGST THE SECOND RICHEST SOURCE OF WATER AFTER BRAZIL.....it's just that..the GOOD FOR NOTHING GOVERNMENT HAS NO ANY PROPER TECHNOLOGIES TO BRING THE PROPER USE OF WATER....so...here...u still have the chance to prove ur creativity....what about giving it a try???...seeeeee we r just like this.....always asking others for doin this n that....what to do...CAN'T HELP IT....
peaceeeeeeeeeee
cons
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| the plot thickens? |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 09:12 AM
Now that UNESCO is closing it's K-du office and New Delhi will assume control over UNESCO functions for Nepal, is there any chance that the findings of the UNESCO-funded study at University of Bradford will be affected, or were the findings already released before? Regardless, if you would like to contact the two researchers leading this project, you can find them at:
Robin Coningham: R.A.E.Coningham@Bradford.ac.uk
http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/archsci/cgi-bin/staff.cgi?raeconin
Armin Schmidt: A.Schmidt@Bradford.ac.uk
http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/archsci/cgi-bin/staff.cgi?aschmidt
cheers!
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| khahare |
Posted
on 17-Aug-02 10:54 PM
‘Buddha was born in Nepal’ : Dr Fuhrer
"Iknow that Buddha was born in Nepal. But somewhere within me there’s an odd being that loves to hear such a call that claims Buddha to be a native of India." Thus my friend Dr L J Raja had expressed a typical Indian view on Lord Buddha. I had turned a little bit sullen over his self-accepted silly notion on Buddha’s nativity. I hardly could suspect that being a professor of English at a reputed university in Tamil Nadu, Dr Raja would love to nurture such an idea. Is this what Indian scholars believe in? A question had come to my mind but remained unanswered. But unfortunately, Indian Buddhist academia have exhibited their willing suspension of belief that forces them to nurture such claiming on Buddha. And such tall claiming on Buddha has been made repeatedly by Indian Buddhist academia
more go to link:
http://kantipuronline.com/kpost_html/kp_editorial.htm#‘Buddha was born in Nepal’ : Dr Fuhrer
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| ebony_firefly |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 11:29 AM
comeon!
will it ever end?.will it everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr end? !waste................!
-christians and jews in jerusalam fighting on jesus's question of origin..
-jamicans and jews fighting on rastaferinism...
-germans claim that they are the only aryans..suckes even opened sanskrit university there..
-hindus claim on mecca siva linga is hidden...
etc etc........
and now its on whether buddha was born in india or nepal....
yeah...! like one of our frens said ,does it really matter ,where he was born!
if we look inside our hearts wisdom instead of our minds one track logic and arguing disease... then no! it reallly doesnot matter...HE WAS ALIVE GAVE THE GIFT OF KNOWLEDGE TO THE THEN LIVING MORTALS, ILLUMINATED THE DARK....AND HE LEFT...like jesus ,nanak sahejo,mira, krishna,kabir. the ..lists goes on and on.every ..single master of time who came on the face of this earth..did just that...
lets know the one who is alive...in this quest of life.!..if we just could! .....
let knowledge prevail...
blac_
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