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| g]k |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 10:06 AM
These Christian conversion specialists of the "Conversion Factory inc." will never give up. They are like salespeople trying to sell their religion, and they seem to have taken a cue from the Oracle compary.
I was reading a news just the other day that the Oracle salespeople used aggressive selling tactics and it worked for them in getting them a second position in software world. The Oracle sales people are so aggressive that they even threaten the poor customers into buying and in some instances give them money without any service in return.
These Christian fanatics are like that!
They will try to convert U by hook or crook.
alhof Christians ko Bigbigi 5 ba yahan.
They say that the purajis ask for money when we enter Pashupatinath. But I go to pashupatinath every week and nobody ever asked me for any money.
As for hindus cutting trees in Lumbini. I would like to say first that they might not be hindus and some of them might be Christians too.
Also number one supplier of Drugs to united states in Columbia. And look at bigbigi of Christians in that country.
Apart from that Christians were the people who attacked Nepal when it was beginning its rise in the eighteenth century. Not only that they took our land at that time and made Nepal some sort of slave to their wishes.
They (the Chors) consider all other people inferior even if converted to Christians. While they will give chocolates to a couple of these guys all the others have their mukh aan but no pie.
I am surprised by the Bigbigi of Christians in Sajha.com
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| Are you stupid? |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 10:15 AM
You dream Christian country.
You work for Christian, take a breath to live.
You live in Christian land "Safe heaven".
You study in Christian school, and expand your brain.
Christian convert you from animal to human.
Without Christian hand, your life can not be complete.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 10:23 AM
I am so tired of these Christians too. They have been trying to brainwash ever since I came to this country.
They are so brainwashed its not even funny.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 10:26 AM
Are you stupid, yes you are very stupid.
which Christian land are you talking about??? This country is a free country, the country of all the people who live here.
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| sf7df8f |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 10:54 AM
thats right
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| Christian |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 11:07 AM
To “Bhenda” and other half brains,
Do you want “Green Card” or US citizenship?
We will give you Green Card and Citizenship. If you swear to god, die for the Christian Land.
You desperately want Huh!
Why do not you just or simply like Christian? Why you hate Christian?
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| Christian are great |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 11:18 AM
To the greatest stupid person from Nepal "g]k"
You want to read Christian books, and write in Christian writing.
You deeply love Christian Music and song.
You very much love Christian clothing, fashion, and living style.
You need to eat Christian food to live.
You must talk Christian.
What is your problem? Are not you proving yourself as a foolish person?
M. Diwaker
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 11:25 AM
I am already getting my greencard.
I would rather die but not sell myself to something I dont believe in.
I have seen some Nepalese who have converted to Christians.
1.she used be anoroxic(people who throw up after eating)
and was hooked to porn, could not stay alone because she was scared of ghosts and was experimenting with drugs.
2.The other one was gay who had not realized he was gay, you know what I mean. would cry for every small thing, was lonely because could not fit in with Nepali boys,
was made fun of while growing up for being such a girlie boy, had to change his bedsheet every day because of germo phobia.
3.The third one was some frustrated guy who was let down by a Bahun girl, because she thought he was a lower class.
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| You need Christian |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 11:28 AM
To "Bhenda"
What do you talking about? Which land is free? Show us..... you mean " Nepal "
Nobody, wants to go there........
You born there "nepali" and you even do not want to go there......
Tell us honestly..... Do you want to go to Nepal and live forever there?
If you don't? Why?
You need Christian.......
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 12:24 PM
Christian are great,
You are dumb dude,
I hope you know that Jesus was not an American??
Talk Christian, hhhahhahhhahhahoooohoooooooooo I dont speak Hewbrew for heavens sake.
What the heck is a Christian food, could you list some. ooooh maybe u r taking about Mcdonalds. Is that where u work?
I know what Christian clothese are hehhehhehheeh Jeans ofcourse right??? Jesus traveled all over Asia in his dirty jeans hhhahhh
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 12:28 PM
I was talking about the land of the Free, United States, dude let me tell you something get some educaton. I am old but still going to college, you should too and take some religion classes.
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| g]k |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 12:36 PM
Mister alhof nf6f] ] tyf so- called Christian.
What do U know about me to say what I like or not!
What do u mean by "You must talk Christian"? This is not a Amitav Bacchan movie where a person can walk,eat english.
Christ leads the crusaders into battle (early 14th century).offered them a Papal Indulgence, which promised the immediate remission of all sins of any who participated in the expedition. Source:http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/firstcrusade/Overview/Overview.htm
Thus offered all Christian killers d'lQm from all sins from killing non-christians.
They have launched Crusade after Crusade.
Source:http://crusades.boisestate.edu/4th/13.htm
They are launching another Crusade in sajha.com. Let's make a concerted effort to expel these Crusadors from sajha.com.
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| g]k |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 12:48 PM
Go to places like d'lQmgfy.
Experience the Hindu shrines.
Experience the Hindu Books of Puran,Ved, MahaBharat and Ramayan.
Experience the Hindu culture.
Looks like this Christian fella doesn't want to have to do anything with Nepal. If so, then why is he lingering around in sajha.com ? He says "Nobody, wants to go there........ "
What the heck is he talking about. Bro, if you don't want to go to our country then you don't have to say that in sajha.com. keep it to yourself. Sajha.com is for people who love Nepal. Not for hyprocrites like U *period*
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| Fuck you |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 04:33 PM
Benchod
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| taha cha |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 07:24 PM
I agree there are many convrters that are doing what their relegion prohibits them to do. So my question, why on earth they call them christians when they behave against the teachings of Christ? There is so much hatred and "I am good, you are fool" attitude from these few so called christians. These guys make me sick..
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| ppl |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 07:42 PM
Guys,
hinduism is society that is almsot perfect when it comes it inequality ... it not only sucks ..but also suffocates ....
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 08:07 PM
Please stop blaming religion, society, and culture for the problems of Nepal. There are many reasons why Nepal is poor, like many other poor nations of the world. Before blaming religion, society and culture for the problems; IMHO we need to look in to ourselves first. Someone said "if you are pointing a finger at someone there are three fingers pointing at you".
I see some of the sajha participants are religious, some are Christians and some hate religion. Which is well and good but what we make of our beliefs is what it counts.
To Hindus: guys please relax and take a deep breath. Hindu religion believes in One God. When there is one God, every one is his child, right? so where is the conflict?
To Christians: Jesus Christ said "love thy neighbor" this mean love your neighbor regardless of religion, right? He also said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
Get a clue and if you think you are religious try some harmony, you will have more peace and study your religion more carefully; if you really believe in it. If you find conflict in your religion you will need a true teacher that can guide you to the right path.
To non-believers in any religion: charbak (ancient philosopher) once said "have fun in life, eat well even by borrowing, who knows what will happen when you die.
(yabat jibet sukham jibet, ridham kritwa ghritam pibet). His teachings are against religion and you will find it very interesting.
Live in Peace and Let Everyone Live in Peace!
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 09:05 PM
It is a false presumption that Hindus believe in Christ and Alah and all those Pseudo-Gods. Those Gods were created by Westerners and Arabs to courter the flourishing Sanatan Dharma at that period of history.
Christ is really Krishna and Alah is Buddha. The westerners & Arabs added their own bakumfus ideas and made it into some holy book.
We, the hindus, do not believe in what is written in bible book and kuran book.
While we believe in that all of are children of God and that those who presently believe in their own bakumfus beliefs are also children of Gods. Even "ravan" was also a child of God and "aheravan" was too.
We do not mount a concerted effort to change their belief and ask them to do so to. We allow them to believe in whatever they wish but don't burden us with having to hear your bakumfus ideas.
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| Pahadi. |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 09:22 PM
I agree that Hindus do not need to believe in bible and koran and all the textbooks there are on earth. This is where you are wrong mister NepaliChora.
You say where is the conflict.
There is no Conflict untill these kristians make vain attempts into writing bad words about what we believe in. Those SOBs have no right to bad mouth us.
This is were conflict erupts.
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 09:38 PM
I am against all conversion.
I do not think that Hindus believe in gods of other religion either but there are groups in Hinduism that do not see the conflict in any other religion with the Hindu religion. Hindu religion is very profound and wise. It does neither say that other gods are imaginary nor it critics it. Please read the book Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda and biography of RamKrishan Paramhansha and Vivakananda. These are the renowned saints of all times and their teachings are readily available.
Being a Hindu, I think we need to have a little more wisdom, little more understanding and little more empathy than those missionaries that are always trying to convert people at any cost, even immorally. I think if we want to take pride in our religion we need to be really proud of it and follow the principles of "sarbe bhavanantu sukhina" may all be happy principle.
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| 100,000,000 Hindu gods |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 12:27 PM
Hindu religion has too many gods?
There is no "Only one" belife? Hindu religion has god in every corner of the road and street? Hindu religion has more than 100,000,000 gods, and more and more is creating in each poor or remote village each year.
If you ask Hindu people which one is your god, they will no idea. because there are so many god, you even can not named it.
If you ask Hindu person, they even don't know one isolated stone is a Hindu god. Every stone, wall and wood are Hindu god.
If it is not true...... Give us Hindu Gods' complete name list here.
Does any Hindu have courage?
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| Harry |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 02:04 PM
Mr 100,000,000.00 Hindu God,
What u have pointed out is the religious flaw.For the majority the social flaw of a classified society is what is unacceptable ... the first thing a nepali hindu guy asks u is "Ke ho tero jat" ?? ....."thor ke ho tero" ? .... i haven't found a guy who does not show interest in that the first time he meets a stranger .... same applies both upper lower caste people ...... For once in my life i want to live in a society where no one is interested in my second name ....
This is not possible in a hindu society ...For many,the only way to get out of this whole dirty muck is to adopt chritianity ...
I dont see any prospects of Nepal developing forward so long as Hindu society flourishes ...
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 02:22 PM
We Hindus will believe in as many gods and demigods,sages we like, why are you having a headache. Why are you jealous that we have so many gods?
We also believe in oneness of the universe. "Sarbam mama".
In your ignorance you have correctly stated that "Every stone, wall and wood are Hindu god". Yes, that is indeed true.
We get this understand though that great person called "Parlad". He showed to us that there is nothing which doesn't have god in it. OR rather oneness of the Universe.
Can you name every item that nature has to offer. Can you list all creatures that exist on Earth? Just today they are saying that a new bird species has been added to the list of Nepal's list.
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 02:29 PM
Mr harry,
If you want to "For once in my life live in a society where no one is interested in my second name", then go live in Afganistan.
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 02:32 PM
By the way, Mr harry, if you didn't know. Most people in Afganistan use only their first name. No body is interested in your last name.
So that is the ideal place for you. Enjoy your life there. Hope your dream will come true there.
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| Harry |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 02:39 PM
Mr Biruwa,
Do u expect me to argue with u...?
FYI, they dont care about the second name here in US either u moron ....
anyway guys like u have made nepal no different from Afganistan ...
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 02:48 PM
FYI. you Joker,
If they didn't care about last name in US then why do americans have it(last name) in the first place.
They care about it. But they do not discriminate people based on their last name, religion, race etc. Even in Nepal, in my circle, we were not biased against people based on the above criteria.
But it seems, there are jokers like you in this world who like to entertain us by bringing up these ludicrous issues.
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 02:48 PM
Dear Religion Bashers,
First you need to understand the fundamentals of the religion before you criticize it. There are 33 koti devtas, but the God is One.
It used to be common to be asked "timro thar ke ho?" but this is changing as people are getting educated. Please do not blame the ills of the society to religion.
This is the tralslation of one of the slokas my grandfather used to translate it for me. Even though I do not remember the original sloka here is the translation for you.
“there are many devtas, almighty one you are One. You are One among all and above all.”
All the puranas point to the oneness and omnipotence of God.
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| Harry |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 03:17 PM
Mr Biruwa,
I dont know which part of Nepal are u talking about ...but certainly it doesnot not sound like Nepal.
Are you trying to say there is no discrimination in nepal because of the second name ... if u say yes ... then probably the place where i lived must have been outside nepal ..although it is middle of nepal ... probably like botswana ...
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 03:30 PM
Mr harry(the Joker),
If you must know, I said we didn't discriminate against people based on religion,caste,last name,first name, middle name, title etc. Ofcourse in every society there are all kinds of people. You must have come in touch with people who discriminated based on any of the above criterion.
Even in US all sorts of people live. There are people like Timothy McVeigh, William Pierce.
In 1997, Pierce stated that:
Ultimately we must separate ourselves from the Blacks and other non-whites and keep ourselves separate, no matter what it takes to accomplish this.
We also know of Matt Hale, leader of the white supremacist World Church of the Creator. SO people like YOU are all over the world albeit in small numbers ( no need to be alarmed :-).
I am not interested in where you come from. But looks like Afganistan is an ideal place for you based on your strong dislike of your last name.
;-()
lol
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| Harry |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 03:43 PM
Mr Biruwa,
One thing u need to understand is all these guys who have posted in favor of Christians are all Hindus like me ...i am pretty sure about ....and trust me i am an upper caste hindu .. christians in nepal are living in far remote places and are too poor to make any posting ....
You have named 3 people in US ... and probably might name another few .....
just imagine how big the list will be if we start counting the ones in nepal ..
I dont have anything more to say here ..... and this closes my discussion with u ....goodbye.
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 03:59 PM
Mr. Harry,
I challenge you to list the names of the "ones in Nepal" with proper source of Authentication.
If you want proof of my named people I can show you but since they are too infamous I did not need to mention the source. Just browse the net!
There is a sizable population of U even within US. FYI, my cousin once was stopped by a passing white guy and called "Pig". My cousin just smiled and went on his way. This is quite common in US. Ofcourse we can't make a list of every such incident. This case of discrimination was based solely on my cousin's skin color! How's that for starters. Do U understand what I am saying, U moron personified?
You say you are a hindu, which I very much doubt. Again you do not need to say whether you are upper,middle,lower,hanging-in-between class or what not. Frankly, I am not interested.
You have been able to convert poor uneducated people in remote Nepal though your coercive and deceitful methods. This is another proof that your religion is based on no solid ground! No wonder you could not convert the more educated mass.
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 04:21 PM
This is a public kurakani. Mr. Harry please do not force me into a one-to-one talk with you. I am not a full-timer.
This one-to-one is diverting my attention from other important tasks than to argue with a prude like you. So address all your future postings to sajhites in general. I may or may not reply to your postings.
YOU are not important enough for me to keep on this one-to-one. I may not reply to your future postings specially directed to me. Chow
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 12:06 PM
Harry,
I am a Hindu. I like people of other religions. I like people of other faiths. I go to the places of worship of different faiths; I respect the culture of the place and act accordingly. I have read different religious books like Bible and Koran. Hindus in general are liberal; show respect to others and their religion and/or belief. Please do not pick on someone who loves his religion. You need to understand that he does not like the actions of the missionaries in Nepal. There are many people who do not like the missionaries including myself.
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 12:14 PM
Harry,
You are a convert. I respect your decision to accept the religion of your choice but please follow the principles of your new religion by HEART not by words. I bet you are Christian in the outside but Hindu inside and you are trying to confront your belief by bashing on others. This is common among many converts. It is almost impossible to change the cultural impact on oneself. I am sorry for the personal opinion about yourself. I could be wrong and I hope I am but just by reading your comments you sound exactly like the person I mentioned above.
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| Harry |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 12:29 PM
Mr Nepali Chora,
Again for the last time i say i am a Hindu and not a Christian or a convert ...does not make any sense because i dont belive in God ..
It is just that i am not as aggresive against the people who have adopted Christianity as most of the guys here are ...i dont care much about the missionaries either ...
my whole point was i can understand the grievances or circumstances in which people convert .... i dont care much if u guys abuse the missionaries ...
but i dont really understand why people here are abusing the christians ...or the people who have adopted christianity ...
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| NepaliChora |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 03:30 PM
Mr. Harry,
Thank you for letting us know where you stand. I respect your feelings and beliefs.
I do not advocate for anyone nor speak for anyone. If you do some search in this site you will find that there are some "converts" that actively blast the Hindu religion in favor of the other religions. I find this practice unacceptable and I speak up when I see this happen. If you look at the postings even in this thread you will find that most of the posts are meant to raise eyebrows.
Hindu religion is one of the most democratic religions in the world. People in the same household could have different beliefs. Like dwaita and advaita beliefs.
I find criticizing; just for the sake of criticizing; rather silly. This is where I see some of the converts are regularly trying to gain grounds in this discussion board. This is where I disagree. I do not blame them for their lack of understanding and knowledge but the troubling part is they think they know, what they do not know.
Some one said "one who knows not and he doesn't know he knows not is a fool" this is where I see most of the critics of the Hindu religion. I also strongly disagree when all the ills of the society is placed on religion.
I also want to make it clear that when I advocate for the religion I advocate for the principles of religion, the philosophy behind the religion, and the knowledge behind the religion. Religion in itself without the roots of philosophy and knowledge becomes a cult, a tradition, superstition and nothing more.
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| biruwa |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 03:47 PM
I totally agree with NepaliChora.
We are only speaking against those who actively seek to lambast Hindu religion without relevant knowledge of the subject.
We are forced to remonstrate when missionaries make vain attempts of coercion and use their temporary monetary advantage in an attempt of conversion.
Hindus show great compassion& kindness when dealing with others but if our innate feelings is taken advantage of then you will face destruction though our wrath.
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| GeoGods |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 06:30 PM
Harry writes: Mr Biruwa,
Do u expect me to argue with u...?
FYI, they dont care about the second name here in US either u moron ....
anyway guys like u have made nepal no different from Afganistan ...
Harry, ask American what is the name of their President ? First answer
they will give you is "Bush", not, George ? Ask what W. stands for? Hardly
any common people will tell you? Don't get misguided by False Impressions.
GeoGods
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| g]k |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 10:53 PM
Bhenda,
Fortunately no body has made a direct attempt to convert me even after I came to US.
However, I have heard people saying that they have faced the wheels of conversion machines. You too said that "They have been trying to brainwash ever since I came to this country. "
Let's hear it from your expereince. What do they do to force conversion? What made you not want to convert convert?
Why did you feel that you would be better off believing in hinduism. Do you actively participate in religious festivals.
My problem is that even though I do my little puja, since there are no nepalis in my city I lack the religious experience specially during festivals.
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| me. |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 08:55 AM
Hindu -> The way i see it is: we are using your christian land, USA ( if u wanna call it a christian country, go ahead) for our personal benefits. And we have NO regrets doing that. It's just like sucking in the flesh of a fruit and throwing the seed away. Yes, this is exactly what we are doing to your "christian land". We are enjoying and benefitting from all the opportunities available to us here in your land but I'm proud to say that we are NOT converting into "christian" just because we are using your Land. Of course there are some who feel too obliged to this land and christianity not to convert to a christian.
me -> I wanted to clarify that:
USA is not a "Christian land " by any means. The original inhabitants of USA were so-callred red-indians. We had their own religion of nature. With a belief of sharing and oneness with nature. Lots of christians migrated to US and made her their homeland. But the land itself is not 'christian land'. Just because lots of christians are presently living in a place doesn't make it a 'christian land'. Who knows the people might change their beliefs or be invaded by another religion in future.
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| Christian made you human |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 12:51 PM
Christian teach you and learn from them and you convert from Animal to Human.
Why do you understand? Christian want you to be good human, but you seems turn into bad human?
It might be miss calculation of formula while they converted to you from Animal to Human.
You love everything that Christian made or Christian does. Isn't it?
" Why do you go back to you country and develop it like we develope USA ? "
Do you have gutts to do?
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 01:05 PM
g]k Ji,
First fall all I knew some people who had converted, they tried to brainwash me all the time, would talk bad about hinduism, then there were other people walking around with bible, who would come up to me and try to brainwash me. I used to be a very open minded person, but now I have become extremely defensive. The more bad they talk about hinduism, the more defensive I get.
Well, I go to temple sometimes and I try to pray before I eat, thanking god for food. And I keep a Sai baba book with me, that is for good luck.
I hope these Christians will leave us alone.
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| bhenda |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 01:13 PM
g[k Ji,
I am sorry I left out one point.
I believe in remainin a hindu because when one converts he gets uprooted, you know you grow up believing in one thing and then all of a sudden all those things are not right, or bad and soemthing like that.
I believe in God, and iit does not matter what we call him. I grew up calling my God Shiva and I don't like somebody calling him bad. I dont go around telling bad things about Jesus either. Infact I respect him as God.
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| g]k |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 01:33 PM
Bhenda,
We do not need to be on the defensive and hope that these bigots will leave us alone.
Hinduism is a powerful concept. Most of us do not know a lot about Sanatan Dharma and only celebrate the festivals. This makes us prone when attacked by cunning deceiters who have studied our books,culture. This knowledge gives them a higher chance of succes in any discussion. Since they are the pros sometimes paid, this is also natural.
We know that they will not leave us alone. When there are two people and one of them is stupid then s/he will try to influence the other into thinking the way he thinks.
The real defence is to study our religion and gain more understanding into why we do things in a certain way.
Om Santi!
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| Raghu |
Posted
on 23-Jul-02 12:10 AM
It is necessary for a Christian once to present the Gospel cooly. If that is straightway rejected, a Christian is not onliged further but just regrets and mourns for the loss of that soul. We do not go about killing people as the muslims do if they refuse to accept good tidings that comes to everyone for personal benefits. Natural man dies naturally and pays the wages of sin in hell.
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| Hindu is not Religion |
Posted
on 23-Jul-02 01:10 AM
" Hindu Religion is not real Religion. "
What do you know about Religion? Why Hindu is not real Religion?
Before to claimed any holy ritual process as a religion, ritual must have to have basic principle of religion.
Basic principle of Religion is:
(1) Don't harm, hurt, and kill other.
(2) Respect and Love other.
(3) Don't do any bad activities.
(4) Give right, freedom, justice and equality.
(5) Share good and bad situation with other.
(6) Help other.
(7) Don't cheat, be honest.
(8) God must be only one and one for all people.
In truth and real Hindu society and activities, you don't see implementation of basic theory of Religion. Most of the time, we can find 100% opposite activities form the Hindu Religion. These bad religious activities directly impact to people lives, societies and country.
Because, a country will do progress if societies does have good positive progress. A society will do progress if each person of that societies does good progress. A person will do good progress if he or she gets good and positive input in his or her brain. So, Hindu religion is giving Bad Inputs. When a person's mental collapse then his or her activities, action and body start to function that way. Then we can see directly/indirectly or visibly/ invisibly bad impact to country development or human development.
Country development = Human development ( Religion + Culture + Education + Economy )
Seriously, there is no Pure or clean Religion countries like Nepal and India. If there is no pure or clean activities or action on holy ritual or process, there will be no religion, too.
Hint: In deep study and research, Hindu Religion even doesn't have implementation of basic theory of religion. Hindu is only poor social and cultural practices which poor people carried out from generation to generation. We might say that Hindu is a cult activity.
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| Biruwa |
Posted
on 23-Jul-02 09:01 AM
What had been called as "Hinduism" by the British Junta and then repeated by the unholy mass of disgusting freaks is really "philosophy of life". It is Sanatan Dharma.
We don't need your religion. Keep it to yourself and die with it. There will be no abnormal death for you. And we don't need to listen to your CRAP(bible book,gospel book whatever you call).
You said "Natural man dies naturally and pays the wages of sin in hell." Yes we are men of nature. Looks like you are some alien being or robot who is participating in this forum.
You are indeed one unnatural man.
Our philosophy is better than your bible book. I say this because I have read your bible book too. You don't need to go out presenting your gospel book to everybody. If somebody is interested to read it s/he will. And if he doesn't want to believe in that shit then s/he won't. See it is democracy out there.
It is no longer your Junta ruling over the world. It is the free world- the land of the united states of america. May pure democracy live long in USA.
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| Koko |
Posted
on 23-Jul-02 09:35 AM
Hey Mr Religion expert,
Where tha fk are you getting all these facts or is it yo interpretation of religion as you best understand it ? If its yo interpretation then you are totally fked ma fren. If you are basing your life on those 8 facts you posted, I feel sorry fo you. THere is moooore...... to life than that. What is the basic theory of religion ?....and what bad implementations are you talking about ? You are confusing me with yo scatterbrain thinking.
"Because, a country will do progress if societies does have good positive progress. A society will do progress if each person of that societies does good progress. A person will do good progress if he or she gets good and positive input in his or her brain. So, Hindu religion is giving Bad Inputs. When a person's mental collapse then his or her activities, action and body start to function that way. Then we can see directly/indirectly or visibly/ invisibly bad impact to country development or human development."
Tell us something new...Not that general statement that everyone knows.
Man I am not even going with the rest of yo post cause its fking boring....Ya make a lotta noise but no fking substance pal. Make statements only if you can back it up with real evidence. Don't be making HAAWAA MAHAL in the DESERT....Its all gas ma man.
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| ;]gf |
Posted
on 23-Jul-02 09:47 AM
Basic principle of Religion is:
(1) Don't harm, hurt, and kill other
Hindu religion believes in this principle.
(2) Respect and Love other
This is the epitome of the supremacy of Hindu religion, Christanites don't believe in this.
(3) Don't do any bad activities.
Again one of the priciples of Hinduism (as it has come to be known). Once the pope said that killing of non-believers will get the christanites to heaven.
(4) Give right, freedom, justice and equality.
hinduism doesn't it. Christanites don't!
(5) Share good and bad situation with other.
hinduism doesn't it. Christanites don't!
(6) Help other.
hinduism has it. Christanites don't!
(7) Don't cheat, be honest.
Hindus do it, Christanites preach it!
(8) God must be only one and one for all people.
This is the belief of a couple of religions like Christanism and Muslim. A Hindu believes in "Sarbam Mama" and believes that god manifests in many forms.
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| freek |
Posted
on 23-Jul-02 10:22 AM
hey u fcuking son of a bit(h fcuking come and fcukibg c me and i wioll tell u if hind u is religion or not ,, if u post and abt it now fcuking u r a mothe fcuker ,,,,,,,, be careful when weev u erite anything b4 u fcuking son of but(h
>>>>Hindu is not Religion
>>>>ID: 97874939 Posted on 07-23-02 1:10 AM Reply | Notify Me
" Hindu Religion is not real Religion. "
What do you know about Religion? Why Hindu is not real Religion?
Before to claimed any holy ritual process as a religion, ritual must have to have basic principle of religion.
Basic principle of Religion is:
(1) Don't harm, hurt, and kill other.
(2) Respect and Love other.
(3) Don't do any bad activities.
(4) Give right, freedom, justice and equality.
(5) Share good and bad situation with other.
(6) Help other.
(7) Don't cheat, be honest.
(8) God must be only one and one for all people.
In truth and real Hindu society and activities, you don't see implementation of basic theory of Religion. Most of the time, we can find 100% opposite activities form the Hindu Religion. These bad religious activities directly impact to people lives, societies and country.
Because, a country will do progress if societies does have good positive progress. A society will do progress if each person of that societies does good progress. A person will do good progress if he or she gets good and positive input in his or her brain. So, Hindu religion is giving Bad Inputs. When a person's
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Posted
on 23-Jul-02 10:57 PM
~If you have ever heard of yoga, meditation, vegetarianism, karma, reincarnation, kundalini, chakra, mantra, shakti, shanti and Om, for example, you have, to one degree or another, been exposed to the oldest of the major religions known as Sanatan Dharma otherwise known as Hinduism. If you have ever heard of, or met, a Pandit, Yogi, Yogini, Sadhu, Swami or Guru, you have been introduced to a priest or spiritual teacher of Sanatan Dharma/Hinduism.
Just like the word "Namaste" which indicates the spiritual nature within all, Sanatan Dharma is the recognition of the spiritual essence of life and its infinite expressions. The Eternal Truth is also about many common-sense universal principles that make-up the spiritual lifestyle that helps one to uncover the Divine that flows through all things.
The words Hindu and Hinduism came from the usage of the term Sindhu. "Outsiders" who encountered Sanatanists living near the Sindhu river in the western portion of Bharat (the original and still used Sanskrit name for India) referred to them as "Sindhus" and their unique form of worship as "Sindhuism." Though there was a Sindhu river, Sindhu is actually a generic term for river, and many believe this term was used in a metaphorical sense implying the river or spirituality that flows through all thing–in other words, Sanatan Dharma. With this understanding, the terms Sanatan Dharma and Hinduism become interchangeable with an identical meaning.
It is very important to understand that, though is was first in Bharat/India that Sanatan Dharma/Hinduism was encountered, Hinduism is not confined to just a geographical location and certainly not simply to an ethnic group. Just as there are Christians, for example, who are not from the Middle East, not Hebrew and do not speak Aramaic, there are Hindus of all races and nationalities. And, just as anyone can become a Christian, anyone can become a Hindu.
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Posted
on 23-Jul-02 11:03 PM
BELIEFS AND PRACTICES?
~First, we recognize the difference between belief and faith. A belief is something that may or may not be true. Faith is assurance or a guarantee. Yes, faith is very often used to just mean "accept it," therefore these distinctions are very important to understand. For example, for a long time it was believed that the earth was flat, now we have the assurance or faith in a round world. Obviously, the key to faith is experience. This is central to Hinduism. While it is certainly fine to have beliefs as long as one is "working" on them and testing their truth or untruth. However, each one is encouraged to develop a solid faith grounded in experience.
~The Sanskrit for the word "faith" is Visvas which means "to breath easy" or "to let go." In other words, after a thorough testing of one's beliefs when arrives at the relaxed state of faith or assurance. For example, one may have heard of the belief in Karma, but when one begins to experience the effects of this natural law one develops a solid faith in the law of Karma. It is in this spirit that beliefs that turn out to be true and the word faith can be used with wisdom. Of course, we always want to avoid blind beliefs–merely "believing" in something (or someone) simply because one is asked (or perhaps forced) to believe. With these thoughts in mind, consider the following beliefs/faiths of Hinduism:
* Tat Tvam Asi ~Thou Art That. "That" is the soul–the essential nature of everyone. This is the foremost belief of Hinduism and the inherent meaning of NAMASTE.
* Satchidananda ~ This Sanskrit word defines what is the soul; i.e., Truth (Sat)/Consciousness(Chid)/Bliss(Ananada)–also, Love(Ananda)/Light/Energy(Chid).
* Yoga ~ The process by which one experiences the reality of the soul. All Hindus, to one degree or another, live a spiritual/religious lifestyle following the various aspects of (Classical) Yoga; i.e., Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Hatha Yoga, Raja Yoga and Jnana Yoga.
* Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha Vadanti (One Truth; Many Names and Forms) ~ The realization that the spirit assumes infinite forms.
* Brahman & Ishvara ~ Impersonal & Personal aspects of Spiritual-Reality
* Advaita & Divaita ~ Spiritual-Reality is non-dual (absolute) and dual (relative) or "One and Many." (Therefore, Hinduism does not claim to be an only way but rather respects all sincere religious paths.)
* Karma ~ The natural law of cause and effect. (Do good, reap good. This is good Karma.)
* Reincarnation ~ The natural law of changing form/body. (This is happening all the time.)
* Dharma ~ The natural laws of duty/tradition. (For example, Rita Dharma are the regular "duties" of nature–"sunrise/sunset," to name one.)
* Puja/Worship ~ The fact that everyone will at some point seek/pray to some form or aspect of spiritual reality.
* Vedas ~ The original scripture of Sanatan Dharma/Hinduism. (Hindus look to many scriptures for guidance and inspiration.)
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| Raghu |
Posted
on 26-Jul-02 04:56 AM
Baina
You have made a mistake in statement, which implies that all Christians are Subjects of the Pope. Christians are free and all Children of God. We are responsible to God only for all the good and bad. The Law and Commandments are God's; so also grace and mercy. If anyone that is called a pope speaks like blood thirsty Mohammedan Arab, Christians won't listen to him, nor own him as their apostolic succession.
Killing is sin, whether you kill a believer or non-believer. Both are human beings whom God created in His own Image. We can not live longer in this life or gain merit for another by killing others in the society using any pretext. Death comes naturally to every born human being and judgement after death. God does fair Judgement and the unjust receive the sentence of banishment in hell for the sins committed in rejecting the truth and believing the Devil's lies...
Please no not try to malign Christians by quoting statements from Muslim sources. Jesus Christ has never allowed his disciples to kill or destroy unbelievers. "The Son of man came not to destroy, but to save and give life" said He to His disciples. We only reach His message of love to non-believers. He is the real Shepherd and the Owner of the sheep: both lost and found.
Blessed be His name forever and ever.
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| Ved |
Posted
on 26-Jul-02 11:36 AM
Raghu,
Let me answer your questions.
You say : "Christians are free"
May be you don't know but in reality the protestants are subjects of the king of England and the catholics are the subjects of pope.
If "Christians are free" then so are all the other people believing in their own religions and more so!
You say:"that is called a pope speaks like blood thirsty Mohammedan Arab, Christians won't listen to him". Well... the crudaders listened to him didn't they? And they killed too.
You say: " Jesus Christ has never allowed his disciples to kill or destroy unbelievers." Then how come so many non-believers in your religion were killed in the 5 or more crusades? How come millions to black slaves(chineese & indian slaves too) were kept by the believers of your religion?
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 26-Jul-02 11:42 AM
I see no difference between the Christians and the fanatic muslims, both are always trying to prove that they are superior to other religions and are always trying to start a war by insulting other religions.
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| well-wisher |
Posted
on 27-Jul-02 02:22 AM
To end this thread, I suggest you all watch the new hindi movie Badhai ho Badhai. Its one of the best hindi comedies so far as well as a good attempt for a mutual tie between the two religions.Trust me, you will like it.
Peace!
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| Raghu |
Posted
on 29-Jul-02 01:00 AM
Ved
"Christians are free"
It is necessary to accept the human ordinances as supreme having authority from above and to be in subjection. Think of a situation when everybody exercises his/her freedom to oppose dignities. Will it not be worse than Nepal? We are willingly subject to human ordination as long as it is going as per the Divine Will. I mentioned that no Christian will listen to another Christian when he speaks like a non-Christian (be it pope or the king of Enland). The crusade war is the bad experience of listening to pretended Christian leaders. Why do you blame this generation for the past? You never existed then to feel the pain. I was not there either. You wil only be provoking your friends at peace with you by blaming for the things which is not a living experience of this generation.
About the case of slavery you mentioned, it was just a school of learning for the unlearned. They learned the truth by serving the good masters who were believers in God. As a result, this high truth has be learned even by the superstitious fools worshipping cruel demons and witches.
And to Bhenda, you just have a personal name. You neither have a principle in life nor religion that might have been opposed by any lover of truth.
Satya mewa jayatey. (Bhenda may interpret it as a Hindu saying due to the language. But this is a Christian saying and belief-ultimate victory of the truth)
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 29-Jul-02 06:19 AM
Raghu,
Whatever.........you dont know me, you are trying to put me down because you cannot accept your christian fault, looking down upon other people's religion, believe me I have prinicple in my life and I just don't talk big like u do.
I am just trying to say that even Bin Laden thinks he is the best and his religion is the best so what is the difference between you two?? Nothing.
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| Biruwa |
Posted
on 29-Jul-02 10:16 AM
U:Why do you blame this generation for the past?
Om:EXACTLY my question to U!
U:About the case of slavery you mentioned, it was just a school of learning for the unlearned
Om: Ok, u become my slave and I will teach you about computers(I am phd in AI). If you say you don't want to learn comp. then did those slaves want to learn u're forced beliefs? You are trying to justify slavery while you crib about injustice in Nepal. What a fake!
U:fools worshipping cruel demons and witches.
Christians r a big time fool really. reasons->
1) they thinks everybody else is a fool.
2) they believe telling the gay priests about their sins will give them "mukti" from the sin.
3) they believe Christ who died some 2000 years ago died for them.
4)they believe that their saints(and only their saints) can perform miracles. If other religions have miracles then that is superstition.
5) They have tried to make mother teresa a saint just because she is popular.
6) 80% of people in USA don't believe in Christanism any more.
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| To Freek Pundit Girl |
Posted
on 30-Jul-02 01:13 AM
To "Freek "
You named yourself a " Freek " and your ability, personality, mentality, and behavior is perfectly matched.
I have no comment and no argument on it.
You proved yourself that a Freek who doesn't have brain, but what do you know? You perfectly showed us what is inside in your brain or what is your ability?
You think yourself a defender of Hindu Religion and you talk world's most unethical and dirty words. Is this Hinduism? or a Freek Religion " Hindu."
Is that way your mom and dad thought you?
Is this your mental ability?
Is this way Hindu Religion teach you or you learned from Hindu Religion?
Do you have little ability to think right or wrong?
Do you know how to accept mistakes and understand problems?
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| Hindu is not Religion |
Posted
on 30-Jul-02 01:19 AM
Chritian is a Religion. Buddhist is a true Religion, But
Hindu religion is not true religion.
Proved us if it is true religion.................
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| g]k |
Posted
on 30-Jul-02 08:23 AM
first, U prove.
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| g]k |
Posted
on 30-Jul-02 08:30 AM
Also look at the reply of ;]gf in this thread!
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Posted
on 30-Jul-02 10:04 AM
YOU guys participating in this discussion, bashing Hindu religion, do not have a slightest clue of what the religion is about. Their favourite line is "hindu relegion is not a true relegion" and keeps repeating it like a parrot; that does not understand the meaning but keeps repeating the words taught by it's masters.
To the converts, that are against the Hindu religion, you do not have to bas your culture and tradition to overcome your psychological belief. We know the converts live a miserable life. They want to believe the new belief yet they are haunted by their old beliefs. This is your problem; do not drag all of us to make you "feel better".
Buddhist religion and Hindu religion are not different. Buddha is considered an avatar of Vishnu. Buddhist philosophy is not different from the philosophy of shankaracharaya. Both philosophies are the same. Go and educate yourself.
I do not need to prove to you about the greatness of Hindu religion. Hindu religion is, since its inception has been beyond anyone’s imagination. There are so many beliefs and traditions in Hindu religion, like different flowers in a garden. Even though there are so many beliefs there is only one God. Like a Mali. There is only one Mali that takes of all the gardens and flowers. See the beauty of the garden and do not complain about the dirt that the flower grows on. Only the people that practice the religion know the beauty of it. What is the benefit of living in a beautiful garden versus living under a tree that does not bear fruit? You figure it out.
Hindu religion believes in oneness, believes in one God, and believes in human culture unlike any other religion. Guess what? Under Hindu religion different religions can co-exist. Does any other religion co-exist in your religion? Look into the validity of you religion to see which one you should follow in the present world context of conflict and hate?
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| Christian for Good Side |
Posted
on 30-Jul-02 08:19 PM
Christian Religion has so many great things:
1.Simple and great religious culture.
2.One god for all people, and belief on one god.
3.One Religious philosophy, religious rule and faith.
4.Good religious humanitarian activities and social work all around the world.
5.Great and positive movement for human civilization and development.
6.At least you learn ethic, moral, respect, socialization, humanitarian, value and love.
What does Hindu religion have?
Ans: Going backward toward Stone Age.
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| Bad Hindu Religion |
Posted
on 30-Jul-02 08:42 PM
These two things are identically different however look the same:
• A Thief and a Bandit are not same; however, they are both bad guys.
• An honest police and a bad police are not same; however, they are both police.
• A Crocodile and a snake are not same, however, they are both reptile.
• An Orange and An apple are not same; however, they are both fruits.
• One Hindu and another Christian are not same, however, they are both good human being.
• One Buddhist and another Hindu are not same; however, they are both Religious people.
You are trying to mix things up here and try to show good result. This way we should not debate here. Debating is for good, not for bad. You try to hide bad things and weakness of Hindu religion, and trying to show fake religious poster.
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| christians are dirty |
Posted
on 30-Jul-02 11:17 PM
Mr. ID: 75277992 you look confused.
If you are born christian then
1. First go and change the gay and molesting christian priests.
2. Learn about others. Don't be "Kuwa ko Bhayaguto".
3. Stop your nonsensical talk.
If you are convert then
1. learn about your previous religion. U will probably convert back. Since you know how christanity sucks from inside.
2. Stop your nonsensical talk.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 31-Jul-02 06:06 AM
Christians think they are the only ones going to heaven, isn't that ridiculous? I just cant stop thinking how stuck up and how brainwashed these Christians are to think that.
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| LA |
Posted
on 31-Jul-02 12:46 PM
hareeeeeeeeeeee...
Hindu religion ko bare ma thahan nai nabhayeko le ...why to write..why to give his bullshith views...Why don't they keep it to themselves...
There is no other religion that is better than HIndu...
Hindu religion supporter..
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 21-Aug-02 07:06 PM
Religion is not equal to DHARMA. Hindu Dharma is not
Hindu Religion. Dharma is much wide and public word
and religion is much narrower and confined. Thats why
those who are under RELIGION concept says that if
you are not under my RELIGION, YOU ARE INSANE.
ANYONE WHO IS NOT OF YOUR RELIGION IS PAPI
"INSANE", BUT HINDU DHARMA NEVER SAYS YOU
ARE PAPI JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T FOLLOW
HINDU DHARMA. HINDU DHARMA HAS some caste
inside it. Religion followers have a big caste system
i.e. if you belong to his/her relgion, you will go to heaven
whether you are good person or serial killer, you get
mukti "SANE" just by becoming the religion follower,
while in Hindu Dharma the PAPI and DHARMATMA are
defined by your work, not by whether you are inside the
religion or not. So, the Border line between
SANE and INSANE in Hindu Dharma and the so called
religions have different meanings. I beleive the definition
given in Hindu Dharma about PAP and DHARMA is more
wise and practical. Hindu Dharma is changing with time,
and it can change. But, the religion can not change
its rigid and stiff. Thats why POP JOHN PAUL asked
the Sisters in Christian org. not to perform YOGA, because
Yoga was developed within Hindu Dharmabalam. The
religion followers say "Yoga" is inSane because it was
not developed within their own religion, thats the reason
they asked to stop YOGA, knowing that YOGA is good
for health. If not why such FUSS?
DHARMA can not be categorized as a religion, its just
what you practice and its changing with time.
HG
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