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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 19-Jul-02 11:32 AM
Does Nepal have EEO laws / regulations (or anything remotely similar to EEO) in place ? If so, where/how can I get a copy of the Act(s) / bill(s)? Would appreicate any help. Thanks!
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| arnico |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 01:00 AM
Hi JDV,
I am afraid I am not sure what EEO stands for... if you let me know I might possibly be able to find an answer for you...
By the way, it is nice to see you back on sajha again. How are you doing?
Arnico.
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| ? |
Posted
on 20-Jul-02 01:09 AM
Is that equal opportunity?
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| MadMax |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 10:01 AM
I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY EEO (EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY) REGULATIONS IN NEPAL. I DOUBT IT EVEN EXISTS.
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| subhachintak |
Posted
on 21-Jul-02 11:04 AM
Its EOE
"Equal Opportunity Employer" and i don't' think such things do exist in NEpal, where you need to submit your photograph with your job application...
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 02:17 PM
Hey Arnico,
Truth be told, I haven’t really been away. I’ve just not been motivated enough to post anything lately. But it certainly feels good to be missed. Maybe I ought to actually go away more often? :) You back in the US yet or still living out of a suitcase?
EEO stands for Equal Employment Opportunity(ies) and is the concept that individuals should have equal treatment in all employment related action (i.e. no discrimination on the basis of race, ethnic origin, gender, age, individuals with disabilities, etc.).
EOE states the position an employer takes, i.e. either an employer is an Equal Opportunity Employer or not (not that they have a choice in the US).
My instincts are to lean towards Nepal not having any EEO guidelines but I figure I shouldn’t rely solely on my instincts. I do, however, think its about time law-makers in Nepal introduced EEO guidelines given that more and more individuals from ethnic groups other than the Brahmin and Chhetri groups and more women are now entering the workforce. And as “subhachintak” pointed out, applicants are still expected or asked to submit a ‘recent photo’ along with their resume!!
EEO isn’t my specialization but if there are any lawyers (or anyone else for that matter) out there who are interested in discussing this further …. email me.
jdv
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| baalak |
Posted
on 22-Jul-02 03:20 PM
hi well i may not be specialist ragarding EEO but i happen to work as an intern for EEO office for 3 yrs. WEll i am not the champion about it but certainly i think i do can help u a lot. and by the way i am half way through for my writting for EEO for nepal which may not be able to cover all of the context but i will send u my essay before posting it on gbnc just fot ur comments ans some suggestions
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 01:39 PM
baalak,
apologies for not having responded sooner. i feel i should explain work and other priorities distracted me lest you think i'd lost interest. i'd love to see your essay on EEO. how about emailing it to me?
arnico, ashu, and anyone who's either out there in Nepal or who has contacts in Nepal, any help in obtaining copies of existing laws in Nepal (pertaining to discrimination and equal opportunity) would be much appreciated. i'm sure we've all read (e.g. Nuru Lama’s piece on Bahuns and the Nepali State) and mulled over what can be done to level the playing field for all castes and people who don’t have any strings to pull or nepotism to rely on. EEO is as good a start as any right?
joie de vivre
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 01:46 PM
while I'm at it.... any HR professionals out there interested in this issue, please, please voice your opinions. While I'm interested in hearing other HR professionals' opinions, it goes without saying that I'm interested in everyone's opinions so please feel free to voice your position on equal employment opportunities and discrimination in Nepal.
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| Rastafarai |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 02:13 PM
Yes there is EEO in Nepal. and it works perfectly. You just have to be a Bahun. As you can see as soon as you land at the airport. All the people there at the customs and immigrations are Bahuns or at least 98.5%. So there is good EEO in Nepal. If you need further information just let rasta know
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| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 02:19 PM
You will be disappointed to know that there is no such thing called EEO in Nepal. Let me make this crystal clear ' There is no such a thing called EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPURTUNITY. For that reason EQUAL OPPURTUNITY EMPLOYER does not exist. In order to have an EOE , you must go through the statement of ' no discrimination will be done on the basis of race, color ,creed , and soon." Thinkabout that for second . That will never happen in a country like nepal where the society's inherent virtues are , corruption, Natabad and kripabad. Now what?
i think even the idea of looking for some EOE should make one laugh.
tapaile mantrilai chinya cha athawa tapaile ghus khwauna saknuhuncha , the job is yours. Chahe tapai khairo hos, kalo hos, thulo bhudi bha hos ,pudke hos, agle hos,Sukutae hos, sukulgunda hos, dada hos, badmas hos, chor hos, thagah hos, andho hos , kano hos langado hos, lato hos , chepto hos, ghopte hos,nakate hos,napadhya hos , nak bata singan chuhui rah hos, chak bata guu aanirah hos, pant bata pishab chuhirah hos, tapaile kam paunuhuncha.pakkai paunuhuncha , pharakai khadaina. Tapaile kasailai chinya chaina, ghus pani khwauna sakdaina bhane taipai surya jastai talkinos,Taruni jastai maskinos, tapai le kam paudaina.
Tapaile Chusna jannya cha tapaile kam pauncha. tapiale Ghusna ra ghusauna janaya chaina ,tapaile kam paudaina. Taipaiko EOE ko Barnan nepalma yehi nai hunecha. Tapalle maile bhanya pattyar lagdaina bhane Washington DC ma passport banuna janus , Dui dinma nai thaha Hunecha. Aba tyesto samajma gayera tapaile EOE bhanna thalyo bhane pheri Kattu kholera dekhaidelan " yi! la moro EOE bhanera" . kina hasaunu huncha saralai Bekarma?
Ke garnu, lekhdina bhanada bhnadai tapai jasto EOE lover aanyepachi ta lekhnai paryo ni.
No offense .
Bhala kusari matra garya.
PEACE ............................................
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 02:24 PM
Dhumbasse wrote:
You will be disappointed to know that there is no such thing called EEO in Nepal. Let me make this crystal clear ' There is no such a thing called EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPURTUNITY. For that reason EQUAL OPPURTUNITY EMPLOYER does not exist. In order to have an EOE , you must go through the statement of ' no discrimination will be done on the basis of race, color ,creed , and soon." Thinkabout that for second . That will never happen in a country like nepal where the society's inherent virtues are , corruption, Natabad and kripabad. Now what?
This is precisely WHY I'm interested in a movement to introduce EEO laws in Nepal. Yes we all know and agree that corruption and nepotism is rampant in Nepal. However, if everyone was to take the attitude of 'oh well, that's the way it is' and sit back and do nothing about it (other than bitch about it), there'll never be any changes, will there?
Dhumbasse also wrote:
I think even the idea of looking for some EOE should make one laugh.
Don't you think I should do I homework (regardless of how laughable it is) before I go shooting my mouth off??
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| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 03:06 PM
well,then bring the subject in way so that the first thing pops up on anyones mind is " Oh! what a genuine idea. we should get along in this discussion." Do not be asking for EOE in nepal like you dropped from the sky just this afternoon. you have seen the country and lived there for a while , if I am not mistaken.
Do not forget Dhumbasse also wrote
"tapaile mantrilai chinya cha athawa tapaile ghus khwauna saknuhuncha , the job is yours. Chahe tapai khairo hos, kalo hos, thulo bhudi bha hos ,pudke hos, agle hos,Sukutae hos, sukulgunda hos, dada hos, badmas hos, chor hos, thagah hos, andho hos , kano hos langado hos, lato hos , chepto hos, ghopte hos,nakate hos,napadhya hos , nak bata singan chuhui rah hos, chak bata guu aanirah hos, pant bata pishab chuhirah hos, tapaile kam paunuhuncha.pakkai paunuhuncha , pharakai khadaina. Tapaile kasailai chinya chaina, ghus pani khwauna sakdaina bhane taipai surya jastai talkinos,Taruni jastai maskinos, tapai le kam paudaina.
Tapaile Chusna jannya cha tapaile kam pauncha. tapiale Ghusna ra ghusauna janaya chaina ,tapaile kam paudaina. Taipaiko EOE ko Barnan nepalma yehi nai hunecha. Tapalle maile bhanya pattyar lagdaina bhane Washington DC ma passport banuna janus , Dui dinma nai thaha Hunecha. Aba tyesto samajma gayera tapaile EOE bhanna thalyo bhane pheri Kattu kholera dekhaidelan " yi! la moro EOE bhanera" . kina hasaunu huncha saralai Bekarma?
Ke garnu, lekhdina bhanada bhnadai tapai jasto EOE lover aanyepachi ta lekhnai paryo ni.
No offense .
Bhala kusari matra garya.
PEACE ............................................
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| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 03:32 PM
Whoever you are, you wrote " Don't you think I should do I homework (regardless of how laughable it is) before I go shooting my mouth off??
Sabai bhanda ramro sallaha tapailai didainchu " SARA bishwo banaune mana bhaye aanfai bane pugdacha".
This should be your first home work. So it is a good idea to shut one's mouth and look at the line I wrote and start your homework. Start from you, yourself. Try to put your self into those nepalese shoes and do your home work . Not from the US where you do not find those shoes.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 03:37 PM
Just recently our oohi Ashu was having a hot debate with mighty Paschim and insisting that life in Sajha can be a small (and useful) rehearsal for real life in Nepal. JDV, you just have it. Don't be discouraged. Dhumbasse is actually giving you a first taste of real life in Nepal. As Dhumbasse warned, they will say EE..YO to EEO in Nepal. But that's exactly why we are talking about EEO, na ? You have my praise and support, JDV.
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| makuro |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 03:55 PM
Well implementation of existing rules with fairness is another question? Dont' we have good rules in Nepal and such good rules and regulation live just in a book? For example, we have rules against polygamy, corruption, and many more! But are such rules implemented with fairness? No.. If such rules are not implemented or hard or impractical to implement then why should we have such rules at all ? I think, this is perhaps the sentiment of some of the posters here.....
Then what we can do? Nothing! If nothing is done, then there is nothing! Even at the current moment if the rules cannot be implemented, having a rule like EEO helps because having such rule at least recognizes the problem!!!
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| Dhumbasse (dumbass) |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 04:49 PM
I have to say I aggree with Makuro. We have always had rules and regulations but in the books. The problem always has been the implementation. Here is a scenario.
A guy breaks in a house, steals a stereo system and sells it off to buy some drugs. The house owner reports to the police. The police does find the guy but cannot do anything . Because he is the son of the Home minister. Now what ? Who is going to punish the thief so that he does not commit the same crime again.
Here is another scenario,
You applied for a job. You know you are qualified . You went for the interview which lasted an hour. They asked you every single thing you can imagine of. Then when you came out there was this guy who was talking loudly and bragging about how he knew big people and how he is going to get the job. You hear him saying his mama is phalanaki chori and because of that his interview lasted 2 minutes. All they did was asked him his name and told him the interview was over.
A week later the results are out and you do not find your name . you knew from the begining this was a job for you. you knew you were so qualified that there was no way the result would have gone the other way.The night before the results you could not sleep. You had actually started dreaming about your new life and new career. Suddenly you feel like singing " Udayo sapana sabai Hurile" and feel like pulling out each and every hair on your body.
You know something is not right. you know the guy who was talking so loud after the interview had gotten the job . you feel like hunting him down and killing him,but your morale does not let you. So you think of going to the court.
You file your case . you need evidences to prove the malpractice that was going on inside during the interview. Not finding enough evidence your case is dismissed.
OK let's say for a moment you do have strong evidences and the court system does believe in you adn the evidences. the prosecuters prepares the case and everything moves forward as you planned. The mother of the guy finds out and she starts playing her dirty games again. now the prosecuters are getting calls from above to give up the case. Atlast the case is dropped because the prosecuter enters Nolle Prosequi. Story finished. You are left where you were before.
Another twist on the above story, Prosecuter is offered money not to prosecute the case. " Paisa dekhe pachi mahadevka trinetra balcha" The prosecuter starts thinking about how he would be able to buy a new "Japanese Sifonko Saree "for his wife, How his kids are going to go to a good school., and all that he gives up . you are left where you were before.
Now you might say we need to bring a overhaul change in our justice system but that is on the book , and yet again you will go through the same cycle and somebody else will give up and again you are left at where you were before. now what?
The root of all of our problems in the nepalese society is the poverty. Every mantri, sachib, section officer,Inspector, when they get to the post , thinks " this is my turn now. nothing is permanent and so is this oppurtunity. I have to first fill my pocket up, look after me, my family, than others" that others will never come around again.
My posting above was not to discourage anyone but to remind one of what exactly we are facing. the Reality Check is the goal of my posting. It is truely praiseworthy to know atleast someone who lives out here , because of his love to the motherland, wants to do something. That is great. Nothing is impossible if you set your mind ito it. I have all my support to JVD or what ever his name is . but just make sure you know what you are talking about.
No offense to anyone.
Gunasho pokhya matrai.
PEACE ............................
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