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   One thing worth noticeable these days in 21-Jul-02 maria
     I think it's now time to revisit creatin 21-Jul-02 NepKT
       ...yes I agree... we should return to ha 21-Jul-02 arnico
         On top of that, if an 'ignore' feature c 21-Jul-02 ?
           Sajha.com need varity of topics. it does 21-Jul-02 Ture Nepali
             Arnico wrote: "Part of the reason tha 22-Jul-02 ashu
               My dear Maria, Thank you for thinking o 22-Jul-02 NK
                 I agree with Ashu. Ignoring filth does n 22-Jul-02 katmandude
                   Very well said Ashu, couldn't agree more 22-Jul-02 Dilasha
                     I would like to take this oppertunity to 22-Jul-02 Koko
                       couldnt agree more abt what ashu said. 22-Jul-02 anodadidas
                         couldnt agree more abt what ashu said. 22-Jul-02 anodadidas
                           The problem regarding the filth in the p 22-Jul-02 New Age
                             >so, in short, we are all in the same bu 22-Jul-02 true blue devil
                               come on guys, just because arnico said t 22-Jul-02 uks
                                 ome on guys, just because arnico said th 22-Jul-02 uks
                                   Just because this is a public forum does 22-Jul-02 ?
                                     I like the second option that arnico sug 22-Jul-02 ani ko ho
                                       Very well said Koko, couldn't agree more 22-Jul-02 growuppeople
Hi all, I think Kurakani and its open 22-Jul-02 Biswo
   Sajha.com is a private property of San P 22-Jul-02 Paschim
     I may disagree with what you say, but I 23-Jul-02 Voltaire
       Hi all, Reading the responses here, I 23-Jul-02 ashu
         Mr uks, This is how segregat 23-Jul-02 Koko
           *Yawn* [didn't I say was bored with saj 23-Jul-02 NK
             What a mouthful from someone who is bore 23-Jul-02 Suna
               oops. read LMAO=LYAO (while doing laund 23-Jul-02 NK
                 and suna, can you even imagine how much 23-Jul-02 NK
                   NO NO NO I don't even want to imagine! 23-Jul-02 Suna
                     Ohooooo! Heelo ma Baschha Bhyaguto, H 23-Jul-02 Parakhi
                       Actually, I have a serious problem here. 23-Jul-02 chandre
                         AAMMAMA, HILO RA KAMAL KO PHOOL RE GANTH 23-Jul-02 gap
                           Gapji, I don't know much about this a 23-Jul-02 Parakhi
                             Parakhiji, The poem you wrote was fro 23-Jul-02 Biswo
                               Thanks Biswoji. I have not read Lalitya. 23-Jul-02 Parakhi
                                 Just a few points for clarification, in 23-Jul-02 arnico
                                   Why are you guys turning deaf ear to my 23-Jul-02 chandre
                                     chandu, sure, why not. just be sure 23-Jul-02 jack off all tirades
                                       Listen, you people grow up. its your pr 23-Jul-02 sajha fan
BY THE SOUNDS OF IT MARIA YOU JUST NEED 23-Jul-02 Sweetcheeks
   Confucious also said that, "Man with 24-Jul-02 Koko
     "Man with hand in WHOSE pocket is always 24-Jul-02 chandre
       I agree with Ashu. Plus, there are no an 13-Aug-02 paramendra


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maria Posted on 21-Jul-02 08:28 PM

One thing worth noticeable these days in the kurakani section of this site is the remarkable change ( degradation ? ) in the quality of the posts and the offensive use of language. I had no idea the ANA convention would refer this site to so many Nepalese living in the States and they would use this site for unhealthy and senseless discussions. Not all topic are senseless, but come on people we can do it without using such offensive language for discussion leading nowhere.

I miss reading Biswo's, Paschim's Village voice's, arnico's. NK( where the heck are you? ) and many other users posts which are absolutely worth the time spent here at this site.

Please everyone, lets involve ourselves into healthy discussions.
NepKT Posted on 21-Jul-02 09:15 PM

I think it's now time to revisit creating a different section of kurakani that 's just for registered users versus unregistered users. This would enable serious readers to just read the registered postings without having to sort through lot of unfiltered crap that we have seen increasingly thesedays on sajha.com.
arnico Posted on 21-Jul-02 10:40 PM

...yes I agree... we should return to having a "registered users only" section, or even better, only allow registered users to post messages. I still strongly believe that the moment posters can be traced they will, for the most part, post more responsible messages. Let everyone read, but only let registered users post. A free for all board invites so much trash that it chases lots of people away.

Part of the reason that some of us regulars have been staying away is exactly all this mud that we have to wade through trying to find posts worth reading and replying to. ..

Please note, I am referring to the quality of postings, and NOT to the people who post. I don't care where the people are, whether they have gone to school or not, and whether they write in correct English, shuddha Nepali, or a random mix of the two, or whether the grammar is correct. What I do care about is that the people who post messages show some respect... that they don't sling around remarks that are offensive and that they don't hurl insults at entire populations just because some criminals happen to be from that population.

I think what would get me, as well as some of my friends to return to sajha for more frequent postings would be either (1) a registered-users-only kurakani, or (2) a completely separate registered-users-only kurakani in addition to the current one.
In addition, of course, we need the time and energy to post, but that tends to come by itself if things are interesting enough.
? Posted on 21-Jul-02 10:47 PM

On top of that, if an 'ignore' feature could be deployed, that would be excellent.
Ture Nepali Posted on 21-Jul-02 11:11 PM

Sajha.com need varity of topics. it doesn't matter few bad ones doesn't hurt interest of other nepali. Nepali people well know to use bad language, that is fun of it.
ashu Posted on 22-Jul-02 02:05 AM

Arnico wrote:

"Part of the reason that some of us regulars have been staying away is exactly all this mud that we have to wade through trying to find posts worth reading and replying to
. .."

**************

Arnico,

With all due respect, isn't that an elitist attitude?

To the extent San the owner sees it as such, this Web site is an OPEN furum -- where the bad exists with the good. Sometimes the discussions are great; often, they are
NOT.

This is this site's stark reality.

That's why, it's one thing to disagree with the nature of some postings, take a stand against them, argue for and against them IN AN EFFORT TO steer and lead the discussions to some positive, learning-oriented directions or maybe ignore them totally.

But it's completly another to imply that one is somehow ABOVE this all, somehow too good for the hoi polloi, the wretched anonymous masses who come and throw, well, "mud"-laden postings here -- ruining, as it were, for the rest of us. :-)

I say that because, on a larger note, working and living in Nepal, I, for one, have
found that discussions and personalities here -- in terms of what's good, what's bad, what's agreeable and what's disagreable -- to be a microcosm, to be representative of Nepal's own various societies.

Now, this does NOT mean that we have to accept all the bad stuff here in toto.

But what this means is that whenever we see something "not so good" here, then

rather than being aloof,
rather than giving up,
rather than thinking that some of us are too good for this kind of Web site where all and sundry come too

we have to ACCEPT this as it is, and then look for ways to make this better in our own ways and on our own terms.

This may mean:

Continuing to post "good" stuff REGARDLESS of how many "bad" postings there are,
Challenging the "bad" with the "good"
and knowing that the "good", if it persists long enough, will win over the "bad".

Adopting such an attitude, I have found out, helps one do one's work in Nepal DESPITE all the frustrations, inconveniences and SOBs who deserve to be kicked and punched
for making life unnecessarily difficult for you.

Adopting such an attitude, it can be argued, also helps one survive the "bad" stuff on sajha.com and smile on to more mutual learning.

oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
NK Posted on 22-Jul-02 11:31 AM

My dear Maria, Thank you for thinking of me.

I am around. It is just that I am bored with sajha.com - for now. Yes the flith has almost taken over, but that is not the reason why I am not posting any stuff. It is "Summertime" just in case you forgot :). I just want to chill that is all.
katmandude Posted on 22-Jul-02 12:19 PM

I agree with Ashu. Ignoring filth does not mean it does not exist. The challenge for the posters who have been leaving their marks here and also for the others is to keep posting quality postings despite all the vitriolic and bigoted postings so that maybe those who post these rampant materials could actually read and learn and hopefully rise upto higher levels. The kind of filthy postings we see here is not just specific to Nepalese. If you visit any open forum be it American, Indian or Nepalese, you will find plenty of postings with less-than complimentary remarks about other gender, race, nationality and religion. In fact, I will go so far as to that maybe it's not bad to have people post those kind of materials because really that's we Nepalese ACTUALLY feel and think. We can shove these feelings underneath the rug and pretend to be all goody-goody but that's not the truth. We got to admit, many of us are bigots, racist, communalists. Maybe this board provides an outlet for them(us) to vent their true feelings and prevent them(us) from doing some stupid stuff in real life,
and MAYBE if people keep postings quality materials here, we could slowly change such negative attitudes. It's a long shot but well worth trying one.

K'dude
Dilasha Posted on 22-Jul-02 12:42 PM

Very well said Ashu, couldn't agree more. Arnico's comment evoke a negative attitude;it's like not wanting to help the poor and uneducated if one were in a better position. Well we all know that this is a public (created for all) forum and to put up a separate one for the so called *elite registered* group would be a total segregation and wouldn't look good at all. After all we are from the same land no matter where we are and not everyone has the same mentality which we should be aware of. And as aware individuals one can just ignore the ones that we do not want to read and read the ones we want to, right?
Koko Posted on 22-Jul-02 12:52 PM

I would like to take this oppertunity to remind everyone in this discussion that this is a Public serving website. Which means that it belongs to everyone. I just can't seem to fathom the whole Nepalialite mentality here. People requesting this seperate section to be formed are doing exactly what rich folks do in kathmandu. All of y'all highly educated folks have the tenacity ....to demand this...straight up descrimination to elevate yourself in that social status C'mon now

Are you folks saying," Yeah we are much better than those rotten apples with no class. So lets ignore them and leave them here and set up another section just for us. " This is the exact mentality of OUR NEPALI GOVERNMENT.....and is alive and kicking at this self declared self proclaimed elite club. Regardless of how high of an education you get some things never change I guess...Just look at Nepal.. thanks to that mentality the country is doing sooo welll.

Those filhy speaking people are also members of our community as well. And by creating an elite club like ye folks want....YOU ARE CREATING A SOCIAL BARRIER. YOU ARE INGNORING THOSE PEOPLE AND LEAVING THEM BEHIND(your own countrymen...brothrs and sister). You can ignore them untill it becomes a problem like the MAO situation...then its out of controll. Is that what you want(educated people) ?
So please think before you start talking bullshit like this folks....
anodadidas Posted on 22-Jul-02 01:01 PM

couldnt agree more abt what ashu said.
filtering filth ? check out yourself, your own background, your own country first, arnico.
see, this is a small, small world if you make it that way, and is yet wide and big enough to fit all people that almighty deemed fit to inhabit. so, in short, we are all in the same bus.. life is just a journey, we each contribute to one another's lives, saving it from being a dull, monotonous one..or would you rather go for a dull, monotonous life, where you get to read page after page of elitist thoughts, yet dont ever get acquainted with the spicier parts of life? if you prefer the former, you know where you belong, in our gaun besi, just take your pc there and connect to the net.
if one finger points at others, remember, four fingers are pointing towards you, count em if you didnt know.. so still talk about filth?
well, you see, people like us come here to unwind, read the 'happenings' in town, get some laugh when its available, you know, just chill. if you just want intellectual stuff, then dont you realise that you have plenty of other choices?
does 'sajha' mean anything to you?
anodadidas Posted on 22-Jul-02 01:02 PM

couldnt agree more abt what ashu said.
filtering filth ? check out yourself, your own background, your own country first, arnico.
see, this is a small, small world if you make it that way, and is yet wide and big enough to fit all people that almighty deemed fit to inhabit. so, in short, we are all in the same bus.. life is just a journey, we each contribute to one another's lives, saving it from being a dull, monotonous one..or would you rather go for a dull, monotonous life, where you get to read page after page of elitist thoughts, yet dont ever get acquainted with the spicier parts of life? if you prefer the former, you know where you belong, in our gaun besi, just take your pc there and connect to the net.
if one finger points at others, remember, four fingers are pointing towards you, count em if you didnt know.. so still talk about filth?
well, you see, people like us come here to unwind, read the 'happenings' in town, get some laugh when its available, you know, just chill. if you just want intellectual stuff, then dont you realise that you have plenty of other choices?
does 'sajha' mean anything to you?
New Age Posted on 22-Jul-02 01:04 PM

The problem regarding the filth in the postings thesedays remind me of the chaotic condition of our motherland.

What is the solution for the chaos in Nepal? Maybe a government of people who are already well off financially so that they can focus on national development issues rather than personal development.
For this to happen, Nepal needs a strong ruler who can control the insurgencies and the filth.

Just because there is chaos in our country does not mean that there needs to be chaos in this site. The site admin owns the site and he should stop this site from becoming a chaotic place like Nepal is right now.
true blue devil Posted on 22-Jul-02 01:05 PM

>so, in short, we are all in the same bus...

as in, SAJHA bus.

"meet me at the back of the blue bus" ~jim morrison
uks Posted on 22-Jul-02 02:57 PM

come on guys, just because arnico said that people be registered to post messages does not mean that he is being elitist and is demanding segregation. I do not understand how arnico's concern is similar to the "rich folks" in kathmandu. Could Koko explain what he/she means by " All of y'all highly educated folks have the tenacity ....to demand this...straight up descrimination to elevate yourself in that social status."


Though I personally do not like the idea of registering to post messages (that's why I have not registered yet), I would register if the need arises. I can understand arnico's concern. If this trend of using filthy language continues, something needed to be done to tackle this issue. Just because it's there does not mean that we have to encourage those tendencies. As someone rightly said, you can make yourself heard without using "those" words.

Freedom of expression does not mean that you have unfettered "freedom".
uks Posted on 22-Jul-02 02:59 PM

ome on guys, just because arnico said that people be registered to post messages does not mean that he is being elitist and is demanding segregation. I do not understand how arnico's concern is similar to the "rich folks" in kathmandu. Could Koko explain what he/she means by " All of y'all highly educated folks have the tenacity ....to demand this...straight up descrimination to elevate yourself in that social status."


Though I personally do not like the idea of registering to post messages (that's why I have not registered yet), I would register if the need arises. I can understand arnico's concern. If this trend of using filthy language continues, something needs to be done to tackle this issue. Just because it's there does not mean that we have to encourage those tendencies. As someone rightly said, you can make yourself heard without using "those" words.

Freedom of expression does not mean that you have unfettered "freedom". Societal concerns should also be addressed.
? Posted on 22-Jul-02 06:11 PM

Just because this is a public forum does not mean that people have to post up all the filth we've been seeing lately. I am referring to the bigot remarks made towards muslims and Pakistanis, which have been way out of proportion. What if, a pakistani or a muslim were to pass by this forum? He for sure will generalize the idea about our feeling towards them.It might look like as a one side bashing for no reason.
I believe 'freedom' is meant to be as in 'Freedom of speech' but some of out friends seem to get the idea of it as 'freedom as in beer'.
They do know what they are doing is not commendable but yet proceed with it anyway, so that's what many sajha-uites don't want. Even if it's a controversial subject, people would want to post/see reasonable follow ups not filth. If the opposite were to be true, you can look at any other nepalese forums.The traffic or the number of people posting (compared to sajha) is very small. People avoid such postings. Sajha appealed to me mainly because of the intellectual dept of the postings. I've been thru topics which were far as controversial yet the arguments posted were brilliant.
On the final note, the thought of taking serious action towards such posting as to deleting or banning does sound a bit authoritarian so lets just try to keep it clean........
ani ko ho Posted on 22-Jul-02 07:19 PM

I like the second option that arnico suggested... why not have a seperate, registered users board for folks who want consistent responsible exchange with fellow Nepalis and well wishers of Nepalis?! Despite what some think, there are lot of folks who really don't want to deal with the seething teeming masses of idiots and hormone filled juveniles. This does not mean that those folks think they are better than the rest, but rather they desire to rise above the gutter that most seem to want to make this place.

And it really is not about the posters "annonymity" really that makes most threads here on Sajha today unpaleatable. It is their juvenile and irresponsible content. People's hate mongering and absolute disrespect for themselves and others. I personally see no hope for such people... if they have not learned I doubt they ever will.
growuppeople Posted on 22-Jul-02 07:33 PM

Very well said Koko, couldn't agree more....
As we all know this is a Public serving website, if you don't like it than stay out of those topics.
It clearly shows how some of "us" are still a narrow minded People ;-)
pheww...
Biswo Posted on 22-Jul-02 09:55 PM

Hi all,

I think Kurakani and its open access policy serves one major purpose, it lets people
express their feelings without exposing themselves. I fail to understand how
'registered users only' forum can stop these unpleasant postings, and so
remain unconvinced by the proposed alternative solutions above.

A lot of Nepali in USA are narrow minded, needless to say. I am not surprised by
the hatred-of-other- religion, other- castes messages here, because ,believe me,
I have seen people who hate NEPAL at all. So, let's face them, let's know the
reality. You know, the best thing about greatest books of fiction is the way they
force us to confront stark reality. Sajha.com often provides us with that
rarefied literary moment that we would otherwise not be able to enjoy.

At present, the way I surf Kurakani is in this order, I first click on Kurakani from the
left menu, and then browse the recent postings, then find out the posters that
I think are good ones, and click their posting first. Religious messages I rarely
click on. I know they are often waste of time. I click on some provocative
and thought provoking postings even if their originators are not familiar ones
, and depending on how those postings are started, I decide whether or not
to reply. And I am sure that is how people filter the messages themselves.
Yes, some limited flitering is necessary, and we know San does that all the
time. I wish all those divisive bitter postings (caste related, religion related,
sexist) were carted off to dustbin, however. People need to understand
that the same issues can be presented in a more intellectual way, so as to
elicit some decent response from readership.

And finally, Maria, thanks for your kind words for me.
Paschim Posted on 22-Jul-02 11:33 PM

Sajha.com is a private property of San Pradhan who is doing a great public service to Nepalis by making his publicly marketed private property available for public use. Of course, it is up to him to decide and regulate what kind of activity is permissible in his web site. But as a responsive manager, I think he has a fine record of listening to people who participate in his forum. Arnico's suggestion has to be seen in this light, and I don't find it elitist at all. People have different strategies to deal with what they see as "bad". Some challenge it and take it head on, some may prefer subtler forms of pressure, such as refraining from engagement, perhaps much like the (Gandhian) notions of civil disobedience and not tit-for-tat violence. Different people, different approaches. Sajha is a virtual ground with many anonymous posters whose accountability for their written word is zero. As such it would be unfair to compare it to the real public space many of us function in (where there are informal social norms and formal legal provisions against baseless slander, libel, etc. to bind and constrain the insane.)

I don't think though that just having a registered name allows one to track the source. All one needs for registration here on Sajha is an email a/c which can be created fictitiously on yahoo. If a separate forum is created for registered users to post, San should consider deepening the level of registration to include (verifiable) real names and affiliations, not just email a/c.

As long as access to that separate forum is open to *everyone* who volunteers to register with greater detail about herself, including real names and affiliations, and access is NOT restricted on the basis of one's proficiency in nepali or angrezi, one's education, one's father's fame, etc., I don't see it being elitist. Access should be open to all who accept the basic condition of that membership which is "tell me your real name and tell me what you do, where."

While my first preference is for anonymous postings that are responsible (anonymity allows people to focus on what has been written without letting people to mar your arguments based on private info. they have about you), I sympathize with a suggestion to create a parallel forum where people's identities can be tracked. These discussions are sure to be more responsible and accountable. Those who don't like to attach their real names to their thoughts can stay out. Like myself. I would probably prefer to remain an anonymous poster than volunteer to reveal greater details about myself. But if such a forum is created, I'd certainly read people's postings with great interest even though I may not be allowed to post there.

The assumption that we should take the "bad" as a given, as reality, is not convincing to me. No body is denying that such things exist, but in public and private spheres, people continuously seek to constrain unacceptable behavior. If you want to have the right to spread filth, hatred and bigotry, one is free to do so in his own private confines, or even an empty public park, but wherever, without being disrespectful to others, especially a fellow Nepali. A "bad" is not a constant, it's a variable. By seeking to neuter it, people are not denying its existence, but actually recognizing it for what it's worth.

Let us just trust San to do what is good for his website and what he thinks is good for his stated personal goal of bringing the Nepali public together. Like we wish each other, may Sajha also live a long, healthy and prosperous life.
Voltaire Posted on 23-Jul-02 12:02 AM

I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Sorry didn't have time to search and post the exact quote.

Raato falaam laai reshape garna raatai falaam chhaidaina. Chiso falaam bhaye ni hunchha. If one firmly believes in what she says/posts, she should be able to defend the most critical/obscene response she gets.

I firmly believe that registration should not be made a pre-condition for posting. The "Murkha" will continue hurling stone at the "sadhu", if s/he has been doing that, even if you hide the sadhu in the Mandir.What the Sadhu should do is to teach the Murkha that hurling stones at the Sadhu does not do any good to the Murkha himself.

My dui paisa.
ashu Posted on 23-Jul-02 03:25 AM

Hi all,

Reading the responses here, I realize, to my consternation, that my posting
above -- inadvertently, it must be stressed -- portrayed Arnico as some elitist
guy.

That was NOT my intention -- and I sincerely regret the unintended portayal.

Sorry, Arnico.
My apologies.

I say that because I have known Arnico for a number of years and know first-hand
that he is anything but elitist.

It's just that he and I obviously think DIFFERNTLY on this issue.

I, for one, am all for confronting the filth in this fairly PUBLIC space, without being daunted by it. But I do understand Arnico's rationale for trying to avoid the filth altogether.

Still, my larger point was and is: for those of us, including Arnico, who are (and are thinking of) working in Nepal, trying to be anti-sepetically clean by AVOIDING the filth
in public space will NOT get us very far to eventually bring out the small, small positive changes we all so desire in our own way. We have to take the bull by the horns, so to speak, wrestle with it, and then defeat it by not blinking even once.

In Nepal and among Nepali societies, acknowledging that filth exists, and then looking for ways to deal with it with self-confidence, unrelenting energy and a passion for pushing what's "good" can go a long way.

Viewed this way, then, looking the other way when filth stares at you can well smack of a cop-out -- or so I think.

As far as this site is concerned, since this is San's private property -- and NOT the property of GBNC or anyone else -- , I, a visitor, have no problem defering to what
San wants to do.

oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
Koko Posted on 23-Jul-02 08:22 AM

Mr uks,
This is how segregation starts. This.. I am better than you mentality. If we are to move forward as a nation then we would have to deal with those ROTTEN APPLES. This is a big problem... that whole" these people are not worth my time mentality." We have to deal and educate those people if we want to move ahead. If we leave them behind then they are going to be left their because of educated people like you have left them there. And those are the very elements that are going to give you all sorts of problems in the society. So learn to deal with it people instead of running away from it.

And some of you may have to downsize your egos and take it with a grain of salt.
NK Posted on 23-Jul-02 08:42 AM

*Yawn* [didn't I say was bored with sajha.com?]

How often do we have to go over the same argument? It's like déjà vu
all over again ;)! Ashu aruging for laissez-faire, Arnico reiterating almost forgotten argument register-or-else, Paschim a lot of paragraphs from gandhibad to Ho chi Min (wait a minute, he did not say that I think. Oh never mind. You know what I mean), delineating meticulously what is a bad behaviour and what is acceptable and proposing to “neuter” it whatever that might be, and Biswo questioning over the validity of the ‘for registration’ argument. Strangely enough I understood every word he spoke there. No need to click on dictionary.com.

And we have uks (the new face in this oft repeated issue) explaining padhya lekhya murkha what arnico actually meant.

All right San, what we have not heard so far is what your position on this is. What’s your postitoin Bud? Or are you just LMAO somewhere in Alps or Amazon jungle?
Suna Posted on 23-Jul-02 08:49 AM

What a mouthful from someone who is bored! hah!
hey NK :)
just you left now (to meet :))

My only question is:
who is going to regulate the registered REAL people? Ever thought of that?
Then we would have to come up with a whole lot of regulations for what one can say and what one can't!
AYE in favor of regulating the registered users (of course, the ones with the REAL names). I don't mind using my REAL name if I can become the mother of all the registered users!
NK Posted on 23-Jul-02 08:53 AM

oops. read LMAO=LYAO (while doing laundry I realized my mistake, and came running to correct the mistake)

Suna, sometimes household happens :). Had to take care of something immediately!
NK Posted on 23-Jul-02 08:54 AM

and suna, can you even imagine how much would I have written if I were not bored????? :) :) :)
Suna Posted on 23-Jul-02 09:43 AM

NO NO NO
I don't even want to imagine!
scary!!!!!!
:)
(of course, pun intended!)
Parakhi Posted on 23-Jul-02 11:01 AM

Ohooooo!

Heelo ma Baschha Bhyaguto, Heelo mai Kamala Sthiti
Sthan Le Matra Ke Garnu Bhindai Chha Guna Ko Gati
(Lekh Nath paudel (?), Niti Sloka (?))

"Toads live in shallow pond/mud and Lotus is also found in shallow pond/mud
What ought a place characterize something if individuals have different nature"

Therefore, yehi ho sathi "Santan Thari Tharika" bhaneko. Bistarai thik hunchha....

"Dheera bhai rahanu, bipatti sahanu kastai paros ta pani....
Kahilyai chitta bishe nalinu janale yestai chha sansar bhani"
(Bhanu Bhakta Acharya, Ramayana)
chandre Posted on 23-Jul-02 11:19 AM

Actually, I have a serious problem here. Hope sajhaites will help me out. After all what else is this sajha for? kaso?

Ok here is my situation:

Once as I was going to watch a movie in Jaya Nepal cinema hall thru Bal mandir-ko galli, I stopped by a house with a hope of my dream girl coming out on kausi. Did wait for a while but she didn't come out on kausi or out of her house but pee really wanted to come out of me. Kya chyapira bhanya.

Aba my real question is should a man pee right in front of a dream girl's house regardless of chapeko extent or wait until later?

Please guide me sajhaites.

Thanks.
gap Posted on 23-Jul-02 11:23 AM

AAMMAMA, HILO RA KAMAL KO PHOOL RE GANTHE? KE CHHA GAP YO RA ARKO THREAD HO? BADTA CHAI NALEKHU KE SOM!

LAU SUNA ARKO KABITA...
FALEKO BRIKSHYAKO HANGO AJHAI PANI JUHKCHHA RA? BHANTYO NI NARAN GOPAL DAI LE... EH, HAINA, TYO KO RE?
Parakhi Posted on 23-Jul-02 12:50 PM

Gapji,

I don't know much about this and other threads... I just went through this thread and wrote what I thought. If you go through the two + two lines you will get a complete meaning.

Heelo is heelo - nothing much, noting less. It gives shelter to two different living beings, a Toad and a Lotus. Both toad and lotus live in the same mud. No blame to mud but the aesthetic services of toad and lotus to human are different.... SIMILARLY, sajha.com is one of the heelo... where both ill-mannered and good-mannered persons post their stuff. The difference is only in the usefulness of the contents. Please don't compare Heelo and Lotus, but compare Toad and Lotus who live in the same mud.

The second part says "Stroms come by and go... Ill-fates come by and go. Therefore, good persons, be patience all the times and withstand the storms and bad times. Never mind the world is full of ups and downs". By quoting Bhanubhakta, I was indirectly expressing my views not to retaliate with those hatred stuff. That will fade with time.....

Lastly, here is what you were trying to quote,
"Gunakari, Gunagrahi Nihurinchha Nirantara....
Phaleko Brikshako Hango Najhukeko Kahan Chha ra?"
Biswo Posted on 23-Jul-02 12:52 PM

Parakhiji,

The poem you wrote was from Lalitya(I) by Lekh Nath Paudel. The title of the
poem was "Naitik Dristaanta". The 'phuleko brikshya ko ..' poem is also from
the same one.
Parakhi Posted on 23-Jul-02 12:59 PM

Thanks Biswoji. I have not read Lalitya... but found that particular poem in my big brother's text book while I was sorting (and throwing) his stuff some 20 years ago. Mind revived old days.............
arnico Posted on 23-Jul-02 03:21 PM

Just a few points for clarification, in case they got lost:

I am NOT calling for elitism, or for any segregation of people, never have and never will. And no, I am not trying to hide from the filth in the real world (Ashu, you have a wrong impression of me)...

In fact, I would like to see this forum to be MORE like the real world, where if some one throws filth at me, or into a general public space that I inhabit, I know who it is and can react accordingly.

My absences from sajha.com are at least in part explained by taking part in other online discussions (ones that have nothing to do with Nepal), ones where only registered users can post, and which as a consequence have retained a certain degree of respect among posters. No, I don't know who the rest of the posters are, they too hide behind pseudonyms too, BUT if they insult someone, everyone knows how to find them and their ISP...
chandre Posted on 23-Jul-02 03:52 PM

Why are you guys turning deaf ear to my question..

should a man pee right in front of a dream girl's house regardless of chapeko extent or wait until later?
(please refer to previous message for the complete scene).

Sajha is getting really good at solving this type of problems. So come on..do not disappoint me.

I have many more questions like the one posted here. And also as soon as I am answered I am going to make sajha popular among my other friends who will ,no doubt, will swamp sajha with their million dollar questions...eg. why has a buffolo three horns every time we are unnder some high influence? or Is it ok for a dog to have an affair with bhangera? you know...you get the point.

After all sajha is for the healthy discussions. ki kaso?
jack off all tirades Posted on 23-Jul-02 04:40 PM

chandu,

sure, why not. just be sure there's a baato kukur nearby on which to lay the blame!

as confunkius say,

"man who put pee and carrot in same pot is very unsanitary."
sajha fan Posted on 23-Jul-02 09:40 PM

Listen, you people grow up. its your privilage to be on the site like sajha.com. Don't take if for granted. So, respect it and abide by the rules or get the hell out of here.
Sweetcheeks Posted on 23-Jul-02 09:48 PM

BY THE SOUNDS OF IT MARIA YOU JUST NEED TO GET LAID???

AND P.S- GET A LIFE

FREEDOM OF SPEECH ....YEAH BABY
Koko Posted on 24-Jul-02 08:56 AM

Confucious also said that,

"Man with hand in pocket always cocky"
chandre Posted on 24-Jul-02 09:42 AM

"Man with hand in WHOSE pocket is always cocky?" Think about it!!


Is it confucious or confusious (full of confusion) said that?
paramendra Posted on 13-Aug-02 10:30 PM

I agree with Ashu. Plus, there are no anonymous postings. Each participant's computer ID is on record, should a legal need arise. Other than that, if you would like to stick to only those with proper Sajha usernames, you know which ones to stick to.

"Let a hundred flowers bloom."