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| Namita Kiran-Thuene |
Posted
on 05-Apr-01 09:38 AM
Just other day I was thinking “isn’t it great that we have this wonderful homepage and we are able to post whatever we like?” Little did I know that some people in this particular case – Kabi – would take this freedom this far. This page had been a page where people from different walks of life be it be student or an astronaut, or a scientist or a waiter – whoever – would log in and be entertained and entertaining. With kabi’s posting we are treading in a dangerous territory. Who can tell tomorrow there will be another equally foul-mouthed “kabi” will appear and slander whoever he/she thinks is an easy target?
I don’t have to repeat that a right comes with responsibility. It is his right to say what he thinks he should/could. But what about the responsibility of a good citizen, a fellow poster, a fellow human being? Isn’t this his responsibility to be civil while acting in a private place? He gave me compliments but I refuse to take compliments from people like him who espouses hatred and venom in the same sentence while complimenting others.
If you had to critique Adwiti’s poem whey didn’t you just come out with your own name and wrote it? What were you afraid of? Of course you would not do that. If you did you would not have been able to shoot off your mouth like a drunken sailor espousing nothing but vile? Then you had to bear the consequences. You are afraid of your action. You don’t have any conviction what you do. I wonder what you are like in real life… You are incapable of coming out clean because you are not clean. Just look at your posting one more time.
It is easy to throw stone hiding behind a big rock in the guise of critiquing. When Gokul (I think it was him) posted some time ago urging/chiding people to post with their own names I had not agreed with him. Now I see what he meant. Hiding behind the veil, a rock, a cesspool of ones own posting, anybody can give their two cents worth of nonsense.
Next time ‘kabi’ please I urge you to be civil and censor yourself when you have a need to say something substantial. If this is the trend this homepage is going to follow then I will bid my adieu. I will find some place else to go and read and write.
Namita Kiran-Thuene
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| namita |
Posted
on 05-Apr-01 09:54 AM
correction: I meant to say public. but of course it is true we should try to be civil period.
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| Rekha Mukhia |
Posted
on 05-Apr-01 04:44 PM
Disappointed!
First of all, Namita, thanks for having the to courage to publicly say something to "Kabi". I appreciate it greatly. I would also love to view other prominent people on this site to denounce what this "Kabi" wrote. Not only was this an injustice done to someone who is writing to promote her talent as well as to write for sheer pleasure, but the injustice that was done to all of us Nepalese - as it turns out even non-nepalis visit this site. WHAT A DISGRACE!!
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| rajendra |
Posted
on 05-Apr-01 05:19 PM
Well put Namita! You make a good point that words of flamboyant compliments from the same person that espouses venom and acrimony is superficial and insincere. But what about those that also do the same thing using their own name? Is there any hope for them?
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 05-Apr-01 09:17 PM
Dear fellow posters:
A few days ago, I was thinking that we Nepalese are also
disciplined, and that we are able to keep the sanctity of a good
place. Esp in case of www.gbnc.org site, because even though this
site is a site which is so accessible to everybody, nobody has
soiled it yet(except for a person a few months ago) and such
distinction encouraged us to invite people to visit this site,and
interact with us. Besides,I know that those who wants to soil this
sites are wittingly or unwittingly trying to negate the great
efforts put forth by San Pradhan,because rest of us are just
visitor, but this site has been taken care of by San with great
attention. I am sure that nobody will be more sad than him when
this site also degenerates into disrepute like other Nepalese
sites,most of which are now just a garbage container interlarded
with occassional better contents.
I am not perturbed by Kabi's effort,I can digest the 'smarmy lout'
adjective easily, it is not a big deal.(I am little surprised
by the name he gave to himself,though). I was not going to write
reply to him,because we are also free not to comment on 'bataase'
criticisms,just as anonymouses are free not to write their name.I
am also sure that Adwiti or others are also emotionally mature to
digest his comments.
I hope that efforts to sacrilege this site remain anomaly,not
trend. If they start to become trend,may be some sort of remedy
will be required.I am sure that people are sane enough to
assess what they are writing,and what the repercussions may be.
amen.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 06-Apr-01 02:12 AM
Namita wrote:
>With kabi’s posting we are treading in a
>dangerous territory. Who can tell tomorrow
>there will be another equally foul-mouthed “
>kabi” will appear and slander whoever he/she
>thinks is an easy target?
Namita,
Where have you been all these days?
In case you have not been noticing, I, for
one, have long been a target for slander,
abuse, inunendo and the rest by some
people here. You must have noticed that
attacks agianst me personally flare up
occasionally on this Site, and then die
down, only to emerge again.
My response is pretty standard:
a) I have learned to develop a thick skin;
i.e. NOT take take PUBLIC criticisms
personally.
b) I have learnt that some enemies do NOT have
a sense of self-control, and there is not
much I can do about their genetically-coded
sense of bitterness and long-fuming anger.
I can only wish them well, and get on with
my life -- happily and productively.
c) I have learnt to develop a healthy ego that
looks at issues and NOT at personalites and
personal politics.
d) I have learnt to use humor and optimism
to my advantage.
e) If a dialogue is needed, I have decided
that a face-to-face communication often
works best than long-festering email wars
that only poisons everyone else's mood.
f) I have learnt to make mistakes of judgment
and learn from them,
This much, I have learnt and more
I hope my lessons, gleaned after years of observing
people and deliberatly putting myself in some sticky
situtaions, may be use of to others visiting this site
too.
Long live public debates!! Long live our emotional
maturity to cope with the fallout of public debates.
oohi
ashu
> I don’t have to repeat that a right
>comes with responsibility. It is his right
>to say what he thinks he should/could. But
>what about the responsibility of a good
>citizen, a fellow poster, a fellow human
>being? Isn’t this his responsibility to be
>civil while acting in a private place? He
>gave me compliments but I refuse to take
>compliments from people like him who
>espouses hatred and venom in the same
>sentence while complimenting others.
>
> If you had to critique Adwiti’s poem
>whey didn’t you just come out with your own
>name and wrote it? What were you afraid of?
> Of course you would not do that. If you
>did you would not have been able to shoot
>off your mouth like a drunken sailor
>espousing nothing but vile? Then you had to
>bear the consequences. You are afraid of
>your action. You don’t have any conviction
>what you do. I wonder what you are like in
>real life… You are incapable of coming out
>clean because you are not clean. Just look
>at your posting one more time.
>
> It is easy to throw stone hiding behind a
>big rock in the guise of critiquing. When
>Gokul (I think it was him) posted some time
>ago urging/chiding people to post with their
>own names I had not agreed with him. Now I
>see what he meant. Hiding behind the veil,
>a rock, a cesspool of ones own posting,
>anybody can give their two cents worth of
>nonsense.
>
> Next time ‘kabi’ please I urge you to be
>civil and censor yourself when you have a
>need to say something substantial. If this
>is the trend this homepage is going to
>follow then I will bid my adieu. I will
>find some place else to go and read and
>write.
>
>
>Namita Kiran-Thuene
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 06-Apr-01 09:23 AM
I think that what kabi wrote is fine. Fine in the sense that he has the right to express his ideas. He did not use any vulger words (we can't compare him with that "agyat" person who vomited vulgar words all over the site, few months back). If Kabi does not like Adwiti's poetry that should be fine with us (including Adwiti). Why do we react negatively when someone does not like us?
(Remember that Hritik Roshan incident?). What we are signalling by attacking Kabi is it'a right to like Adwiti but wrong to dislike her? Why is so?
As it is mentioned in other posting here, Adwiti is, probably, mature enough to handle any criticism directed towards her. Just because someone does not like her poems they do NOT become garbage. Adwiti becomes a bad person just because someone does not like her? I don't think so.
It's fine to post message under anyname unless it is required otherwise by the site. Again, if kabi had written what he wrote by the name of Rabindra, would that have changed the content or the meaning of his writing? NO.
I can't denounce what he wrote. Probably that's all he got to say. How can I be mad at someone who does not know Nepali for not speaking in Nepali with me? What Kabi got, he spelled. That's all.
As he/she has the right to express his/her ideas we also have the right to ignore his(her) ideas. Of course, it would be ideal if someone uses his/her rights with responsibility. But as Plato's IDEAL state ideas was termed as "fantastic nonsense" these days idealism only exits in defination.
Before I stop, I would like to make couple of things clear. I also did not like what Kabi wrote but I still think what he wrote is fine. I do not expect people to write only what I like. I loved Adwiti's poems and I support and wish her well with my whole heart.
sparsha
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| namita |
Posted
on 06-Apr-01 05:48 PM
what happened few months ago with this 'agyat' thing? i honestly don't know.
namita
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 06-Apr-01 06:41 PM
Dear Namita:
For your information: that was an isolated incident where
scurrilous languages were used in 'comment' section by an
anonymous. I think those comments are removed now.(I checked
just now, but couldn't find them.)
Yes, as Sparsha think, Kabi is totally entitled to his right to
write whatever he thinks about us. We are also free to reject
his accusations/implements, if we don't see sincerity/merit in
them.
When we think about anonymouses, it is always good to think them
as faceless multitudes.Almost like common people of Nepal. They
have opinion,but couched in silence. Leaders are bad,but still
if they have to participate in political process,they are forced
to take one of the available sides.If they have to participate
in election,they are forced to cast vote for one of those leaders.
Some of the franchisee vent their dissatisfaction in ballot box by
writing (foul) comments, some by voting for less evil, and in some
cases,of course, there are also some good options available,
and they vote for those options also.
Still,writing foul comments in public places is a sign of
unbalanced mind.May be some psychological frustration with the
society.Some of our friends studying psychology can actually
explain such occurences better than I, and I hope they will
volunteer one day.
For rest of us,we need to work hard for keeping this site alive
and sanitized.Some of us have been visiting this site regularly
since almost one year.We have expressed our dissatisfaction and
joy here, we have expressed our views on several incidents and
topics here even if they may not be original, and even if a lot
of discussions here ended without any definite result,we knew
how other people think(differently) about a topic ,& we started more than 400 threads(some of those really good), and it
will be really sad to see this site 'treading in a dangerous
path'!
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