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| euta thita |
Posted
on 06-Aug-02 08:47 PM
1. Gurkhas: What exactly are they? They're just servants. Serving the British or Indians, even when they get paid meager salary is pretty much synonymous to begging.
2. Sherpas: Guides. They don't climb mountains for themselves, but they climb them to aid someone else. Geez.
3. Servants in India: Mostly bahuns and Chettris (however guards are mostly Gurkhas). Bahuns work as servants, or they work as Pujaris for the Gurkhas in India. Never seen as an equal to indigenous Indian brahmins. This needs to be realized by them.
4. Prostitutes: Our women are sold as prostitutes by our own people. And when they are worthless once they acquire AIDS, Nepal is used as a dumping ground. This is one of the main reasons why AIDS is on the rise in Nepal. Do we really want to be known as a country of whores???
Man, let's do something about this. I don't wanna be stereotyped as a servant. This is a problem that has no racial barrier; every ethnic group has this servile attitude, from Madhises to Mananges.
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| JOB |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 01:58 AM
To solve these problems, we should create more employment opportunities in nepal, but how ? Let's think together.
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| Arko thito |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 04:52 AM
This is something that should tickle every sane Nepali. "Why are we weak, poor and servants to other?" What role is being played by those who could otherwise advise and help to raise the degraded moral status that spits on the face of the Nation? They are happy to hoard more servants to their command than showing the path of prosperity to the deprived neighbour.
That is Indians, dear friends. We are happy to be called mighty gurkhas and bahadurs. It is the weakness of our people to accept flatteries. Where has a Gurkha won victory for themselves? Where is their State now to suit the name if that were not just flattery to exploit? Are they not called foreigners by most of the high class/ruling Indians when they have something to avail for their services in the country?
Go down, stink and rot in India, the mighty...
To alleviate this problem, Nepalis should form a stable Government at home, organise themselves internally, engage unitedly in developmental activities of the country socially, economically and... and wait for the chance....
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| gordon sumner |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 08:37 AM
"i will turn your face to alabaster,
then you'll find your servant is your master.
and you'll be wrapped around my finger."
~the police
"gotta serve somebody"
~bob dylan
for further reading, try hegel
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| Jame Bonds |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 09:14 AM
Euta thita,
Following your logic, everybody in the world is a servant because they work for someone at some point in time. Just because you are working in the US for some company does not make you less of a servant than if you are a sherpa working as a guide or a gurkha working as a security guard.
Instead of Nepal, a country of servants you could say, Earth, a world of servants.
Amen
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| Soleil |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 02:06 PM
Soleil made the following speculations being a Gorkhay and not so Bahadur. Euta Thita is seriously disturbed by the reality and seems like lost in his own. He pointed out the problems right, and awaits someone to do something about it. He Even shows his frustrations at " Everyone" for not doing his taks, while "Everyone" thinks "Someone" has to do it when "Someone" believes "Anyone" can do it and "Anyone" outcries it's "Everyone's" job. My friend, I will have the supper if you cook for me, but I won't move a thing when I am hungry.
Now, there is Arko Thito who is annoyed by the fact, yet shows a zeal about doing something. Job, as the name suggests, is just hoping someone would do something so that he can get a job; making the super spy 007's point in congruent to the Sting-er Sumner. Soleil wonders then again, since when did the stinger started drawling Dylan's songs? And even more bewildering, the super spy 007 shooting innuendos akin to the bullet spurting guns he's known to. But I agree with Bonds. The world is a bond of the servants and the masters.
peace
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 02:16 PM
Oys chilling all day long reading soleil's comments..
Jus lemme know more when u post, after all we are both from the dark side of the moon ;)
Lunatic is on the prowl !!
chill oys
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| Koko |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 03:09 PM
Yo Moron,
Do you know what makes the world go around ? Why are you trying to degrade yoself. Ye must be one o them self mutilating self degrading people. Judging from yo own description ye must be in tha Bahun and chetri category. The gravitational pull between the sun and moon and the stars are in equilibrium don't fk it up pandit ji. Just be glad that you're not starving in Africa aiight...Besides ye don't fit in any of those categories cause you're here in the land of the Brave aiight..
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| unemployment |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 04:03 PM
http://www.spacetimeonline.com/pub/Aug_7/ST_Today_Feature.htm#1
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| euta thita |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 04:42 PM
There is a big difference between working menial tasks( working as a guard, working as a servant, working as a guide) and working top notch tasks( computer scientists, businessman, whatever). We seem to enjoy working as bahadurs and chowkidurs. Geez, and when I point out this peculiarity of our culture, what do I get? Nothing but verbal attacks. You all really proud of our people being portrayed as servants?? We need to change our attitudes first...seems to me like we aren't born to lead. We are born to serve...
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| Santosh |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 06:14 PM
Thito-
Gurkhas, Sherpas are just like you and me, trying to make a better living for themself and their families. They have real fears like you and me when they climb the himalayas
or when they go out to battlefields. Enduring great dangers, they risk their lives for the sake of their families welfare. There are many children of Sherpa guides and Gurkhas who now get to enjoy the benefits such as good education, better employment opportunities and better quality of life all due to their sacrifice. They have made their mark in their own fields and are widely respected for it. Theirs is a story of
great struggles, difficulties, fears and hope to secure a better future for their families.
If only you could see this. Maybe you need to change your looking glass and see it from their perspective and then you will be able to undertand it better. I am proud of my Sherpa frens and am proud to be a Gorkhali.
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| AP |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 07:57 PM
Thanks god Gurkhas, Sherpas and Nepalese workers in India go back to their own community in Nepal and pay their debt. They become the active member of the community projects like water supply , Schools and Health projects. During their staying in the foreign land ,we hardly hear them doing illegal activities and they tell the truth what they do. And they have contributed rather to make Nepal popular if we think carefully. So should we be worried about them ?
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| euta thito |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 08:59 PM
Read my original message one more time. I didn't single out Gurkhas like you all are doing. No need to be so defensive. All Nepalis, be they Gorkhali, Sherpa, bahun, Chettri, Newar have this attitude. I go to an Indian restaurant, and what do I see? Nepalis (all of them bahuns) working as waiters. And the Indian manager keeps insulting them. They seem to have no more tears left because they've always been treated that way.. they don't seem to mind at all. I go to a local gas station, and who do I see pumping gas? A nepali! Geez....we're not an affluent community at all. The saddest part is that Nepal is used as a dumping ground for AIDS infested ex-prostitutes. How about closing our border with India? Noooo... we can't do that coz Madhises are related to them. Even worse, some of us are so dumb as to blindly follow Netas who think practically utilizing antiquated political theory, which has no probability of succeeding -and we know this because dozens of countries have tried to utilize i and have failedt- is the way to go. Sure, Maoism looks good on paper. But has it succeeded anywhere? It's like Plato's republic. Sure, the ideas presented in that book, although unethical from our modern point of view, look logical practically. We're sad.
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| Soleil |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 09:34 PM
Boldina bhanda pani bolnai badhya. I didn't quite understand euta thito's problem nor did I understand what he exactly wanted us to know. In his own words, has he created a false sense of himself being the entirely different entity? Not falling into the so-called caste system that is so inherently Nepalese? Sad but true, you must belong to some of the category that you detest so much, right? Or you don't. And do I care? I think not. I am pretty sure there are hundreds if not thousands/millions other Nepalese share my vision. The point is, if you call yourself a Nepalese, whether accept it or not, you are bound by the customs and the cultures of Nepal. Now that's another story.
Anway, I got the point that working in a gas station, or in a resturant is a degrading work in your views but, I didn't quite understand the definition of top notch. So, you're the Computer Programmer or a network system engineer in some company, or any other prestigious works in your views, but is it viable to be accounted as a top notch work? By no means you own the company nor you are the CEO, you're merely providing services as the company needs. So, how does it differ you from the server in a restaurant tending a customer to his needs?
Lets not prolong the argument. I urge thito to be articulate in pinpointing the problems. And let's not the readers just dwell in confusion. Do you have any solutions, ideas, propositions to offer as well Thito. Or were you simply making an attempt to bark. "Nepali kukurko belayeti ghukai " bhanne ta suniya thiyo tara "Nepali kukurko nepali ghukai aaja dekhdai chhu".
Peace
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| AP |
Posted
on 07-Aug-02 09:54 PM
I guess a Canadian wants to get a job in USA so that he could make US dollar which has
more value than Canadian dollar in the same way a Nepali could make more money if he/she works in India besides it is hard to get job in Nepal besides some big cities (perticularly for the person from the hills area and who never went to school) I think ,the bottom line is he/she must be having his destination or goal even though his/her goal may not be going to the school. Do we have any program or job oppertunities for those sojha and sajha janata besides making them servant in our own country and pay them less than a rupee a day. I would suggest we should rather try to end the servant system in Nepal.
Let us imagine closing a boarder with India, can we sustain our economy? Of course we can, but it takes long time and all people's effort and dedication. Can we wear only Nepali products? can we go to the sarkari school and contribute more money to the school.
Can we request to all other Nations to close Neplese's bank accounts so that we start to invest in our own country. Can we stop to yelling at Newar and Marbadi and rather learn their business skills. Can we stop to yell at Bahun and rather appreciate their investment attitude in the education. Can we stop to yell at madhise who produce sufficient crops
and rather appreciate their patriotism because they have never shown their interest to be a part of India.
Can we bring change in our constitution so that our king start to pay taxes and make their prperty transparent. Can we stop to follow Netas and start to recognise our own existence. Should we start to realize that Nepal is not that bad.
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| Birodhi |
Posted
on 08-Aug-02 12:38 AM
Euta thito asserts: How about closing our border with India? Noooo... we can't do that coz Madhises are related to them.
AP mentions: Can we stop to yell at madhise who produce sufficient crops and rather appreciate their patriotism because they have never shown their interest to be a part of India.
These bear the opposite polarities which needs to be resolved earliest. If Madhises consider themselves Indian nationals, they need to be repartriated to their own nation. Sooner the better. If they have never ever considered themselves Indians but are loyal Nepalis, why taunt them as Indians making difficulties for the Nepalis in Nepal?
Sure enough, Nepalis need to share the common views and vision. This is the simplest of the causes which could have brought us together and bonded us with a common cause. But there are diversities of openions even in this known and factual presentations......
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| Riva |
Posted
on 08-Aug-02 09:16 AM
Euta Thito Ji,
India sanga border banda garera ke khaney nee, sisno ra pani?? I hope you know that we depend on India for noon, tel, mattitel, cooking gas, medicine, petrol, diesel, etyadi etyadi.
Riva
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| tell me this |
Posted
on 08-Aug-02 09:23 AM
what purpose does this thread SERVE? is it SERVING to HELP nepalis SERVE themselves, their families, and communities better? was this idea SERVED up on sajha in SERVICE of some higher goal? i'd really like to know why we're using up SERVER space discussing this.
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| Koko |
Posted
on 08-Aug-02 10:00 AM
One more time Moron,
Wha's yo point ? Git to tha point... Ya wastin' time and energy for nothin'.. According to yo argument it seems like its ok for white folks to use us as whatever but not the Indians ? Diggidy... ya sound like a racist.. anti-Indian typical Nepali. Learn to live in harmony not hatred ma fren.
Man with hand in pocket always cocky...
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| okok |
Posted
on 08-Aug-02 10:11 AM
koko,
while i might agree in part with what you say, i do not agree with the way you are saying it. specifically, ad hominem attacks have been condemned by the site admin, who essentially put up a sign on the sajha door reading:
NO SHIRT
NO SHOES
NO SERVICE
and that's ma frenly advice to you, babalu! ;)
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| Ram Vilas |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 01:06 AM
A re ke ho re, yaha kasle halla karechha re? timiharu le hami madhesi lai india pathaune kura garilinchha yaar, bheja ma pani pasechha ki ke ho? a re hami pani uttike nepali ho jati timi nepali haru aafulai bhani thanechhau. hami pani herilinchhu, kun mai ko lal le hamilai india pathaune himmat karchha.. ekke choti singh durbar phone ghumauchhu ani dekhai dinchhu hamro pahunch kati chha bhanera. babaal karidinchhu hamile pani, ke bhanera thanechhau? yo ramvilas ko pahunch upar samma cha, bujhihala.
stay tuned for the newari and other editions :)
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| AP |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 10:33 AM
Let us imagine to have a Marshal plan so that we could be self sustained in ten years.
Noon- do we have some pahad ? where we could get bire noon which is beetter than regular salt as it does not need to be iodiazed.
tel- Can we increase the production of tori crops which is lot healthier than sarcun tel.
Mattitel- can we develop healthy habit of going to the bed early, have a sound sleep and
get up early in the morning. We could use the day light for most of the purpose and economise the fuel consuption as German do. In the mean time should we start to plant more sallah ko rookh so that we could have diyaloo jalaune. There are some places in Nepal where under ground petrol has been traced and we know that mattitel is the bio
product of petrol.
kapada- kapas ko kheti has been already started so let us make more budget available for the Nepal cotton Board. Can we start to wear our own products , as Gandhi and Nehru did. should we start like charkha project as it has already been used in the process of making Pashmina which has been one of the good resources of National revenue by exporting it in the international market.
How much do we need ? for the above mentioned items does any one have any idea?
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| nuts |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 10:37 AM
Ram vilas, chane ke khet mein dhaniya sanga moj karechhau?
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