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| paramendra | Posted
on 07-Aug-02 07:06 PM
How many are there? Where are they? Which are the major pockets? Which city has more than any other? Which age group is the most populous? What is the predominant occupation? What is the average household income? How much of the native culture has survived? What are the challenges of raising kids in a multi-cultural environment? What is culture shock like for when you first come here? What stays on even after years? What are the predominant issues? What form does sexism take within Nepali families in America? Are they substantially more enlightened than those in Nepal, or pretty much similar? Is spouse abuse widely prevalent? Do Nepali students at U.S. colleges merge with the rest of the South Asians, or do they keep to themselves, largely speaking? Which other countries have large Nepali populations? Any info? Any comments? Anyone? |
| Junkie | Posted
on 07-Aug-02 07:47 PM
Where are all the "free AOL without credit card req"? ....... I mean is there anything as free in America? ...... Should I just post in Sajha? ....... Or should I go to nepal chat? ...... DO I wear daura suruwal in interview to project my de-lee-cation to culture? ...... Haray ...... why do I question ....... |
| NK | Posted
on 08-Aug-02 10:19 AM
Paramendra, You have brought refreshing air in this board. Truly, I was tired of seeing the same face over and over including mine. Of course, there are also people like you-know-who in guise of being "intellecutal" [how could one call *itself* (since I do not know what the gender of this entity is, therefore *it*)intellecutal with a straight face, I do not understand] try to show some deep personal resentment here on Sajha.com. Now allow my fleeting attention to turn to the thread: I would like to answer some of your question based on my limited knowledge or rather experience. But, now now. :) Maybe tonight. Of course I have to tend to the thread 'Empower Cast-Challenged Women [courtesy to Himani]' too. Gotta run... |
| bideshi | Posted
on 08-Aug-02 12:11 PM
Hare! How can we forget our dalbhat and momo?We r trying to follow our culture as far as possible.We r trying to be with our dajubhai,didi bahini (get together) .But we r here in US, so have to live as per this country rule.I don't see any freedom over here.There r a lot of rules and regulations and we have to follow.Our country NEPAL is the FREE EST country in the world,one can do whatever he likes and especially if he has power or is from certain party,then he can do anything. Here in US,people come from all diff cultures,background,yet I don't see any descrimination(but some complains about descrimination,but i am not aware till date). We Nepali always go to dashian party and new yrs program.I think Nepali r fed up with Nepali neta and Nepal ko awasta(condition),but still in Heart Nepali in US loves Nepal and want to be part of it.But Nepal gayera k garne? Anyway,I feel Nepali here in US are confused(culture wise),but many doing extremely well ,have good income and living a great life. AHile lai yattinai.Aru pachhi lekhula !Got to go. |
| Logical Sense | Posted
on 08-Aug-02 02:58 PM
"Santaan Thari Tharika" - still holds for Nepalese in US. You have asked so many questions will really need a thesis paper. But, let me try without making people sleep while reading it. I brand Nepalese as very 'communal' so no matter where we are we like to flock together. More in one area than others. We may fight, we may argue but stick together. 'Maita Ko Kukur Pani Pyaro'. So, any Nepali is a relative by default. May not be that much in Boston, NY or LA but more so in Carbondale etc. It is natural because in big cities you have so many choices. There are estimated 60,000 Nepalese in US (number coined by some diplomats) - so we outnumber Indians (wooo!) in ratio. My guestimate is more young (less than 30) than Budha's like us? There are lots of doctors, lawyers (old, young). Most of Nepalese came as engineers (especially IT), to study and to work. Teenagers accept the US culture more easily, people like us try to balance both, while older one still think 'hamro deshma'. Most raise their kids by providing 'best of the both worlds'. They easily compete with Indians and Chinese in academia and excel. Many new comers who came in 98 and recent are having lots of bad time due to bad economy. But, there is support system in each and every community to take care of people like that. There are many illegals working and sending lots of money back home (helping parents back home, and building dream home in Kathmandu) and stay little aloof from main stream Nepalese community. Most of the kids are not ABCD. People like me give lots of choices to our kids and teach Nepalese culture as important fun thing to in life rather than imposing on them. My best solution is to send to Nepal for three months summer vacation. They learn the culture, they develop intimacy with relatives, and they understand when I talk about 'Gaun' and 'difficult life'. Some of the community show off Jewelry, while others show off their education, while others (US Citizen or Green card holder) don't speak to new Students, some pull legs - but that is minority. But, most of them want to good about the mother Nepal (They may not know what). And they are basically very nice people. Oh one more item, without that summary of Nepalese community can't be full. Since Nepalese of Panchayat time never had experience with 'democracy', you will see democracy live in action in US Nepalese community. We have as many association as many Nepalese. Those association have as many meetings as they have members. But, that is not that bad. There are many successful association and really doing a great service to the community. East coast is more crowded with Nepalese (Boston, NY and DC). Midwest is equally crowded but in pockets. In the West coast LA and San Francisco Bay Area is crowded. East coast is very active politically but West Coast keeps quite for most of the time. But, there are more professionals in the Bay Area and DC area than other places (my guess). Overall, we are strong community and ready to make a mark in US. Lots of positive thing to talk about which comes along with growing pain. Oh! one more point, there are 'Akkal Jhukkal' incidents of Divorce, Robery, Murder also in Nepalese community. |
| Sarina | Posted
on 08-Aug-02 04:51 PM
Mr. parmendra After reading your post the first question comes in my mind is that ' Are you New to Amerika. If not then where were you? If you have lived in this country, then how come your love to Nepal is showing up just now.Otherwise you would have had foudn your answers long time ago,don't you think. I can understand you are new to Sajha , but look at the questions you have posted. If you just came to Amerika I am pretty sure you tried to get as much information as you could before leaving nepal. If you have been living in this country for a while, that menas you never knew any other Nepalese living in this country. Had you known that there are Nepalese living in Amerika, you would have had gone one step further to find them as you do not seem to be dumb nor lazy or, atleast, would have tried to find some of the nepalese because of your so called love towards your Terai and Indian language. For us terai is Nepal too , not for you. Because of that reason you were out of touch with any Nepalese family or friends. Perhaps you are married to an Amerikan,or were married but just got your divorce and now nepalese maya started suffocating you and you had to come and post those questions. Can you read your own questions and try to answer your self. You might be 'Dhuwandhar' in English, but Gawar in real terms when it comes to being a Nepali. i have read all the postings here and around in Sajha and have found your comments and suggestions as very communal, racist and diversive. No better than F...u.king indians attitude. Why don't U just take your philosophy and dreams to support Sadbhavana party right back to where you belong ,i.e. Hindustan. You will do a lot better and ,also ,as your name suggests, may get a lot of " MASALA GANHAUNE Teri Bahin DE KALO KAI PARYA PHUDDIES" too. F>UCK off man. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 08-Aug-02 05:12 PM
Hi Sarina, I don't understand what is your resentment towards Paramendra. It is one thing to disagree with someone, and it is entirely different thing to spew garbages and venoms in the name of countering someone's argument. What's the matter with you? You think your foul language can intimidate Paramendra or anyone or what? I disagree with Paramendra's views, but it is always good to read his postings. In fact, I expect him to bring his own personal experiences, and his experience of belonging to Terai region here, so that we know each other better. Keep up good work, Paramendraji. |
| Junkie | Posted
on 08-Aug-02 06:53 PM
Hya Sarina baine ...... full of vexation I come and go ..... hehe ...... Like Biswo dai aptly put it ..... me too don't agree with all of Paramendra dai's view (and I do speak from days in sebs forum). But then again a radical view often raises a few eyebrows and a lot of anger. tara risara kehi hudaina ...... Remeber YOda ..... "Anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to suffering and that to pain ..... " Got Iodex? |
| sarina ko fellow nepali | Posted
on 08-Aug-02 11:18 PM
What up with the vitriolic and mean spirited crap?! aina ma mukh herana pahile before you attack this guy for being honest and curious and interested in learning about the world of Nepalis. I think you are the very things that you accuse Paramendra of: racist, divisive (i think you meant, when you wrote derivise) and communal. I might also add you are being rather clannish and narrow minded to think that there is only one way of being nepali - that every nepali should seek other Nepalis to latch on to whenever they are away from Nepal. We don't! If other Nepalis wer all like you I wouldn't at all. But thank goodness they are not. There are people who try different things, question the world around them and want to engage in dialogue. So please. Do question your motives and reassess why you are saying what you are saying to Paramendra. Also, at least the guy is asking! I don't know the answer to those things either. Do you?! Tell us then. Rather than mudslinging. |
| Aditi | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 02:59 AM
... ko fellow nepali..iinteresting to see people comment with that fair logical sense. your comment is one of them .agree. |
| suna | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 06:33 AM
Sarina totally useless points to some totally valid questions. Are you on dope??? Oh wait, I've read that mild drug use would even lead to people being more focused than otherwise. Maybe you are just plain retarted. The guy is merely asking some questions. So what if he "may" love hindustan. Seems you like using profane english as well. Does that make u a brit-boot licker? Kaha kaha bata auchan! |
| deep | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 08:11 AM
Sarina sis, tyo jamanama "Maldaha" bhanera bechya aanp jutre parya kuro lai birsidinu paru aba. Paramendra's thought are worth noticing. If a teraibasi speaks his/her mind then he/she is racist but if a pahadbasi expresses his/her mind then that is nationalism, yasto sochna bhayena. We have to lend our ears to all nepalis, if we want to be fair. If we don't know the problem, what solution are we supposed to look for? If you don't like Paramendra's thought then why don't you say what you don't like and why? give logical reasons. I don't know paramendra personally but from his posting he sounds a reasonable person. He probably will take time to respond if you criticize his ideas with valid arguable logics. Tyasaile aba malbhog bhanera arkai kera bechne...maldaha bhanera arkai khattam aanp bechne ko ris yata nasaram hola. Ki kaso? |
| Koko | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 08:25 AM
Mr full o questions, What the hell is this ? American living 101? Are you trying to collect data for research ? Whut up with all them questions ? It all depends upon what your intentions are? Looking for a easy way out for class project ? If you intend to use these materials provided here beware of plagiarism cause we will come after yo ass if you use our material without crediting us |
| paramendra | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 12:00 PM
"Logical Sense" is the only one who bothered to answer. Ms Sarina is off on a tangent. I thought I had asked a few, harmless questions, that most respondents don't seem to know the answers to, and so, Sarina, are all of them "new" to the country!? No, this is not for some paper. I was just curious. |
| another fan of Parmendra | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 12:10 PM
by the way where's your picture this time :>) |
| NK | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 12:57 PM
Q: Why do elephants paint their toenails red? A: So they can hide in the strawberry patch. Q: But there aren't any elephants in the strawberry patch! A: See, their camouflage is working! **** Paramendra, your seriousness makes me become sillier and sillier. :)) Logical sense gave u what he thinks is happening and I am sure you also have answers to some of these questions. I really do not understand the purpose of this thread. Is this some sort of pole? If so then be careful, your data might give you a wrong picture. There are more readers than posters here and some posters do not take this board too seriously to sit down for few minutes and answer your questions meticulously or even truthfully. Ok so where am I? I will just try to answer about raising a child in a multicultural environment. I don’t know if it compounds or alleviates raising a child where parents are from different country and different culture. Without going too much into personal details let me just say my husband is from Europe. I am from Nepal and we live in the USA and have an American born daughter. She had had her nwaran and pasni. I don’t know if she will go through the ‘guniu cholo’ ceremony or not. She did not have any say on her nwaran and pasni obviously. J Or would she want to have her “Sweet 16th birthday”? If it were upto me I would prefer guniu cholo. I think this ceremony is more meaningful than a birthday bash. But I am also aware that my daughter will have her own say what she would want. I know there will be peer pressure for a big birth day bash. Maybe I will compromise. I think our future promises a lot of juggling act. And there is a question of dating. There, even my husband and I don’t see eye to eye. I tell him she can date only after high school and he laughs (scorns in disbelief!). He tells me he had his first girl friend when he was out from his nursery school. Ok just kidding but you get the gist right? I said future promises a lot of juggling act but the right word would have been threatens. I think the most important thing to remember raising a child in a multiculutural household and in a multicultural country, is to be mindful of what the basis of our traditionalist stance and communicate that with the child. If one is raising a child honestly and lovingly and with open dialogue, a child would know what is wrong and what is right and what is acceptable and what is not. The last thing I want to do is turn deaf and blind eye to my daughter’s voice and her own conviction. If she can convice me what she is doing right then I will support her fully. Be it dating or chosing or not chosing to go to college or take few years off before going to college - work in Nepal or in Afganistan for free – I want her to be a good citizen and a good human. |
| Invisible | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 01:51 PM
well NK, I agree with you. I may be wrong in nagging my husband to return to Nepal with the fear of brining up my child here in this country but I cannot be wrong when I see not one not two but many American born confused Kids .. they come to the Nepali gathering and are lost .. they don't u'stand what's being discussed.. if a mom yells for something which is not appropriate, he yells back saying he can call 911. Agree that there are more advantages here but I am sure we wouldn't like to see our kids with 3 lovely dogs on the back seat but none for old parents.... |
| invisible | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 01:56 PM
well I'd be interested to know the answers of all the questions you asked.. this is something which every nepali living in USA would ask himself/herself... would love to read what, when how and whereabout of these Nepalese... You seem to be a great thinker... |
| manish | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 02:53 PM
Invisible, You know the answers to all these questions. For all y'all confused people you can never be happy period. Especially women folk... nag nag nag...yak yak yak. The choice is clear... here or there. You cannot have the best of both worlds... its impossible. So its either or, neither nor...take your pick. East or west. Thats it period. Lets not go around Ghataghar to get from Newroad to Hanumandhokka.... |
| nuts | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 07:29 PM
..and how old is your daughter, NK? just curious :) |
| NK | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 07:47 PM
Her doctor says she (the doctor) forgets she is just a two year old child because you know, she acts very mature. She is a mature nearly three (in October) old girl. God, I don't wanna turn into another Kathy Lee! |
| Logical Sense | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 08:11 PM
To all confused ABCN (American Born Confused Nepalese): I kind of agree a bit with Manish saying 'don't put your legs in two boats'. Also a quick remark to all those who think of Nepal with their eyes of 'N' number of years when they migrated out of Nepal - 'Bhadau Ma Aankha Phutya Goru Sandhai Hariayai Dekcha'. Nepalese culture changes by minutes. 'Hand in hand' is more common in Nepal than in USA. Having a 'boy friend' is very common. Going to disco in broad day light is everyday thing. Kids (and confused parents in Nepal) are copying West without really understanding it. So change in inevitable. But, I want to give two thumbs up to NK when she says 'it is really matter of love'. What matters is how you raise your kids. If you go to work 24 hours a day and leave your kids to watch TV they will be those kids who will yell back at you. It is difficult to balance but it is not impossible. Look around and you will find many Nepalese in USA are raising their kids much better than what Nepalese kids in Nepal are growing. Simply because we spent much more quality time with our kids than many of our siblings are spending in Nepal. Most of Parents in Nepal believe in 'Surya Aast Nepal Mast'. So, just spent more and more quality tiime with your kids they will grow fine. Remember Three 'Ls' Love - You muist love your kid 'unconditionaly' Listen - Keep the communication door open - all the time - neve say 'ChupLaag' Limit - Time to time must tell them 'who is the boss' in a very 'Logical Way' :-) That is my 'Friday Lite' |
| Sujan | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 11:50 PM
Paramendra, The reason for your posting in seeking answers to such statistics goes beyond just curiosity as you indicate. In fact, I believe, the statistics are very important to all of us in the long run. I will explain why I think it is useful to have answers to some of these questions, especially the ones below although others might be equally important: >How many are there? Where are they? Which >are the major pockets? Which city has more >than any other? Which age group is the most >populous? What is the predominant occupation? > What is the average household income? Your curiosity is quite common among us, and in the past many have disregarded such issues simply because they found it to be non-useful. The reason for this stems from these facts-- (1) many of them were struggling to adjust to their new country/community and/or they already had support systems in place, so why bother in wasting time to analyze such statistics about other fellow countrymen who may be living 2000 miles away ?, (2) the numbers of Nepalese living in the U.S. were puny compared to the mass of other nationalities, and (3) most of them did not have enough knowledge/resources to grasp the benefits arising out of such statistics. That said, these three facts have become the things of the past. Therefore, now is the time to seek for answers, and here is why: Many of us, especially those who are First generation Nepalese Americans who came here in the 70's and 80's and their children, and second generations, who were born here, are well settled. For those recently arrived ( from the 90's onwards ) you may quite possibly be well settled although I am inclined to say you are fully settled because it does take some time to completely experience/understand the American culture/environment whether it be business, politics, or the legal system. What am I getting at? For these folks I just mentioned, this is pretty much their home aside from their connections to Nepal. And most of them want to preserve their Nepalese heritage, assist the newly arrived folks, and the most important of all, use the power of numbers to gain access to claim the piece of the American pie ( in variety of proportions ). There are many issues that bind us together obviously because we are from the same country, and in order to deal with these issues adequately we need to deal with them as a group, and not as an individual. This tends to solve the issues much more quickly, peacefully, and with some satisfaction. For example, let's just say for the sake of it, we form a caucus-- Nepalese Democratic Association ( since most of us have liberal views and Democrats tend to lean to the left most of the time ), which supports the local and federal politicians from the Democratic Party. We, in turn, can voice our opinion to the politicians if he/she wishes to win our vote. Our opinion can be of varying nature, from affirmative action to immigration issues-- this is how most special interest groups lobby, so why can't we? Now, this only becomes that much more powerful if we have strength in numbers. This is just one example as there are similar scenarios for businesses and the legal system, and there are other many causes to be solved here. As you may be aware such tactics used by special interest organizations are all too common, from the NAACP to The Sierra Club. Most of us, who have attended school here whether it be from grade school to a University or just the University itself, are most probably out in the work force trying to attain our career goals. There is only so much one can achieve academically or profession-wise; the need to connect with your fellow countrymen to achieve a common goal is still there regardless of what you’ve already achieved in other endeavors simply because one does not easily forget where one came from, or where your parents came from if you were born here. At least this is the feeling I have now compared to 3-4 years ago when I finished my undergrad; its probably because growing up here since childhood has made me less aware of my fellow countrymen’s' attributes and sentiments. In conclusion-- ANA should get involved in answering these questions. What ANA ought to do is set aside some funds to have their sister organizations take a poll all over the country. This should give us a close approximation to the issue in-question. And take it from there... -Sujan |
| paramendra | Posted
on 09-Aug-02 11:56 PM
Statistics aside, it occurs to me that quite a few people find the idea of raising kids in a multi-cultural environment kind of daunting. Why is that so? What is it about this "land of opportunity" that it is a great place to come for education, and for a lucrative career, but not a great place to be raising kids in? Do Nepali parents want to be "strict" like in the land of yore? And is that attitude good all the way? Do a lot of South Asians/Nepalis worry about their children pairing up with non-South Asians/Nepalis? Do many Nepalis have the irrational fear of African-Americans, in their attempt to outdo the bigoted "whites?" Even with education, do the Nepalis think American colleges are great, but that American high schools lag behind by a wide margin? Why? Looks to me that the social aspect of the experience might end up being more interesting of a conversation than just the facts and figures. Thank you for sharing viewpoints. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 10-Aug-02 12:05 AM
Sujan, "...For example, let's just say for the sake of it, we form a caucus-- Nepalese Democratic Association ( since most of us have liberal views and Democrats tend to lean to the left most of the time ), which supports the local and federal politicians from the Democratic Party...." I think you have made a very important point. And I feel there are enough organizations of the Nepalese already existing that such a group could be formed. The Israeli lobby, easily the most efficient lobby of its kind, operates that way. I once wrote a paper on the Israeli lobby. The lobby works as an umbrella organization for many grass roots Israeli/Jewish organizations. They spend a few tens of millions of dollars in lobbying efforts, and end up getting sent about 5 billion dollars in annual aid to Israel. I hope this discussion ends up in some kind of concrete action. Maybe you will write a detailed proposal for the next ANA reunion. Plus, such a lobby group could also be used to reach out to other similar South Asian constructs, so as to be more effective in terms of greater numbers, both in terms of people and lobbying dollars. Please feel free to e-mail me and stay in touch so as to work on a written proposal for the effort. I suggest you write a first draft, and bounce it around for feedback from the widest possible array of Nepalese. All the best. |
| Nepali in the West Coast | Posted
on 10-Aug-02 10:11 AM
Parmendra ji, It is indeed a very nice thought. There is no lobbying for Nepal at the present. We know that there are many lobby organizations for all the countries of the world including india and china. There are Nepali organizations around the country; one in the west coast is www.nepalassociation.org. They will be able to give you more specific information or assist you in any way they can. There are other Nepali associations around califrnia as well. Good luck in your efforts. Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help. Regards, Nepali in the West |
| Soleil | Posted
on 10-Aug-02 02:18 PM
I am amazed. I think Paramendra had posed some valid questions, whether he had been in this country for long or whether had he came yesterday. But, to my astonishment, most of the people, just didn't get the idea. Or did they? They were so busy making their own point and proving it right, they hardly paid any attention to what the author of the thread had to say. And, that is so typically Nepalese, we always complain people don't listen to us. Are we listening? Peace. |
| fellow nepali | Posted
on 10-Aug-02 03:26 PM
Soleil: You seem to be doing the very thing others did... :) We Nepalis like process and deconstructing the process... thats is just as important as the "answers". haina? |
| Humble Thoughts | Posted
on 10-Aug-02 05:49 PM
>How many are there? As per my conversation with some people, including Nepalese diplomats , between 75 adn 100,000. > Where are they? All over - it seem they follow the pattern of immigfrant in general and are widely found in NY,CA, Illinois, Texas, NJ,Maryland,Florida Which are the major pockets? The NY area, according to a Nepalese doctor practising in NY for tenty years, has between 15 to 25,000 Nepalese ( including those Nepalese who cam ein as tibetan refugees) Which city has more than any other? Undoubtedly NYC Which age group is the most populous? I guess 18-45 (18 -30 is what I have observed a lot of) What is the predominant occupation? Students, summer workers, IT professionals, health and doctors > What is the average household income? No idea ... I would guess in the rnage of 12,000 to 60,000 is where most people would fall with some people above and below that range. >How much of the native culture has survived? Depaneds on several things including when you came and how long have you been here. Those here the longest seem to have assimilated into the local cultures and many of the later entrants have strong Nepalese culture and values. >What are the challenges of raising kids in a >multi-cultural environment? COnfusion around languages ... fuguring out that it is Nepali with Grandma and ENglish with Dad and Spanish in some cases with the next door neigbor. What is culture shock like for when you first come here? My goodness ... where to begin ... depending on where you go -if you end up in rural america many people are shocked at the lack of sophistication of Americans when it comes to clothing, general knowledge, food habits etc. In the cities at the lack of wartmt and hospitality in urban American culture >What stays on even after years? Some values like respect for parent and elders What are the >predominant issues? >What form does sexism take within Nepali >families in America? Are they substantially >more enlightened than those in Nepal, or >pretty much similar? Is spouse abuse widely >prevalent? As far as I know among my friends and aquantainces there is little sexism as most people were always literate and forward thinking. I do not know of spousal abuse among my firends, family and aquantainces >Do Nepali students at U.S. colleges merge >with the rest of the South Asians, or do >they keep to themselves, largely speaking? I think it depends on the location ... in boston or NY, I have seen Nepalese students keeping alot to themselves but I have seen Nepalese open up much more to other South Asians and americans in rural campuses. >Which other countries have large Nepali >populations? India obviuolsy - estimated at 10 million. >Any info? Any comments? Anyone? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 10-Aug-02 06:06 PM
Humble Thoughts: You have given the most comprehensive answers of anyone. I am thankful to you for that. As for some of the subjective questions, I think many people can all give many good answers, and I am hoping many will do just that. Kudos. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 10-Aug-02 06:12 PM
Nepali in the West Coast: First Sujan, and now you. Your approach towards the idea is constructive. I appreciate that. I agree with your observation that hitherto the organizations of the Nepalese in America have been primarily social, which is great, but inadequate. I am hoping someone like Sujan will do some legwork over e-mail, and have a proposal circulating, basically for an umbrella organization for the existing organizations. What would be a minimal cost for lobby work in DC? The $ 20 million Deuba got for the country to counter the Maoists, that should have been the work of some lobby group here. Plus larger issues like global trade where the poor countries like Nepal desperately need voice on Capitol Hill, and which would make room for partnering for other similar organizations from around the globe. This thread itself could be a starting point. Thanks for your extended hand for cooperation. |
| DirkDiggler | Posted
on 11-Aug-02 11:44 AM
I'm kinda new to this site...somebody please enlighten me who this guy, Paramendra is , and what does he do? He seems to have endless time hashing out commentary on anything and everything. Dirk |
| paramendra | Posted
on 11-Aug-02 02:46 PM
Dirk, Click on his username! |
| Junkie | Posted
on 11-Aug-02 10:27 PM
Humble thoughts ....... very informative thots ...... Good work dai .... (or bhai,baine) .... didi tah aajkal kasailai bhannu hunna ray ...... :) |
| Koko | Posted
on 12-Aug-02 09:39 AM
Man I cannot believe this thread is still going on... All y'all do is yak yak yak.. I agree with manish and logical sense on child rearing. And all the stats ye see are speculative. As they say Guff-suff for the sake of Guff-suff. Which means truth in it is negligible..cause its only one point of veiw.. one side of the story. Like of any typical Nepali community.. talk is cheap.. show us some action. As they say actions speak louder than words. Anyone with a mouth can yak(outta their ass till kingdom come). But its a totally different story to implement them. And very appropriate for some people to discuss their family matters on this thread(just shows that MAPAI character of typical Nepali me me me ). And they wonder where people got their personal info(and they forget they were the very ones boasting about it here)... |
| paramendra | Posted
on 12-Aug-02 01:21 PM
Can anyone try and compose a list of all the Nepali organizations in the US? How many are there? Which are the biggest ones? Which is THE largest? Is there any that functions as an umbrella organization? |
| what? | Posted
on 12-Aug-02 02:33 PM
you seem to want others to do your work Paramendra. Do it yourself, will you? |
| Manish | Posted
on 12-Aug-02 03:08 PM
I think WHAT is right on the Money. This paramendra character wants to sit on his Bum like a typical Nepali Goverment Officer and let other do his work for him. If he has resources to post here he can definately look up all this info himself on the net.But like a lame 'ol lazy gadha he wants us to do his work for him. Look it up yourself dude!! We can trace your source(IP) and come after you if you use our material for your personal gain. |
| what? | Posted
on 12-Aug-02 03:13 PM
I mean what the hell, right Manish? |
| Logical Sense | Posted
on 12-Aug-02 04:09 PM
Large population is not Indian but Chinese! Humble Thoughtsji, it was nice run down of information. I wanted to bring your attention to the fact that largest immigrant population identified by 2000 US population puts China ahead also Indian Population is not at 10 million: China (2.4 Million) Philipines (1.9 million) India (1.7 million) (http://www.indianembassy.org/ind_us/census_2000/rediff_com%20US%20edition%20Asian%20Population%20Doubles%20in%20a%20Decade.htm) Also last census had choice for Nepali origin too, so, we could really dig into census beureau to find out exact number. You could argue that this not does not inlclude all illegals etc., though census tried to reach everybody irrespective of their status, I would put indian population at 3 million at most. So, an estimate of 60 to 100,000 Nepalese in US makes us at par if not ahead of Indian population proportionately. My proportion is based on the fact that India has 1.2 billion people and Nepalese are 24 milliion strong which puts Indian 50 times larger than us. So, most conservative estimate of Nepalse at 60,000 puts us in par with most generous estimate of Indians at 3 Million. My point here Mr. Parmendra, NRN (non resident Nepalese) should be as effective to our native country as NRI's are for India if not better. Anybody listening? ..... |
| paramendra | Posted
on 19-Aug-02 05:52 PM
what?: I am not for a knight in shining armor. I believe a participatory way would be a better way to lay down the roots of the proposed organization. A list of all Nepali organizations in the US could be complied right here, on this thread. Then the leaders of those groups could be e-mailed. A draft document could be worked upon publicly. That I believe would be preferable to one super person doing all reserach work in private. Broad participation is important if success is to be ensured. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 19-Aug-02 05:56 PM
Manish: "...We can trace your source(IP) and come after you if you use our material for your personal gain...." Your "intellectual" contributions at the forum will be duly acknowledged should any reference to it is made elsewhere. Rest assured. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 19-Aug-02 05:59 PM
what? ID: 7105766--- I think I could use your enthusiasm for the purposes outlined in this thread. Would you like to do some work online? For the proposed organization? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 19-Aug-02 06:03 PM
Logical Sense: "..NRN (non resident Nepalese) should be as effective to our native country as NRI's are for India if not better...." Thanks for the date and the source link. That helps. And your conclusion is apt. I agree with your assertion. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 19-Aug-02 06:13 PM
Some homework: ANA: http://www.ana-home.org/ ANMAUSA: http://www.anmausa.org/ http://www.anfs-usa.org/related-links.htm http://www.nepalhomepage.com/dir/society/organiz.html |
| paramendra | Posted
on 20-Aug-02 12:33 PM
NEPALIS IN AMRIKA II In the land of opportunities, Nepali émi...[khahare] 08-20-02 khahare Posted on 08-20-02 12:32 AM In the land of opportunities, Nepali émigrés shy away from risks By Prateek Pradhan NEW YORK, Aug 18 In just nine years after his arrival to the US, Anjan Shrestha, 31, turned out to be one of the few millionaire Nepali businessmen. Shrestha, who came here as a student today owns and operates eight gas stations in Dallas, Texas, and possesses assets worth about $ 10 millions. Mridula Koirala followed her Ph.D. candidate husband to the USA in 1988, relinquishing her promising career of a television journalist. She started working in strawberry farms in Ohio for as little as $10 a day, and again worked at a McDonald’s and a host of other restaurants in New York. Within eight years of her struggle, she managed to own a restaurant in Manhattan at 78th and Amsterdam Avenue, near Central Park. Shreedhar Gautam came to the USA in 1994, and began his life here working in a laundry at Pittsford in Rochester, New York for about a year. He later bought the same Laundromat and today, after rapid expansion of his business, oversees dozens of employees and does business worth over half a million dollars. These are some of the go-getter Nepalis, who came here almost bare-handed, worked hard and made their fortunes in, what is still thought to be, the Land of Milk and Honey. But these are also the exception rather than the rule, for many Nepalis still labour hard to meet even basic necessities. According to leading members of the Nepali community in the US, very few Nepalis have exploited opportunities in the USA to start a business, and be your own boss. For more go to link: http://kantipuronline.com/kpost_html/kp_frontpg.htm#Inthe land of opportunities, Nepali émigrés shy away from risks "...very few Nepalis have exploited opportunities in the USA to start a business, and be your own boss..." Why do you think that is? Because Nepalis are products of a risk-averse culture? Or what? |
| fRank | Posted
on 21-Aug-02 09:53 AM
so what if those nepalese came here and made money. coudln't they have done the same in nepal. coudln't they have opened up businesses in nepal. they would atleast be paying tax to the Nepali government rather than the american government. don't tell me there is no point starting a business in nepal. .don't anyone gimme that shit. cuz there are so many karodpatis and arabpatis in nepal. if you tell me that all of them got there money from smuggling go to hell. there are some good nepalese out there. however the bad nepalese give a bad name to all the business men in nepal. and it's a shame that ppl migrate here to start business rather than start one in their own country.. it's a shame how less we trust our government and that is one reason the friggin politicians are taking advantage of we nepalese. if we raise our voice then those frggin politicians will run away like the rats in the sewer of manhattan.. jai nepal |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 21-Aug-02 10:26 AM
this Dharminder character is like AsssHu part II, STOP THE INSANITY, u and ya Jibberish crap. Its all about him along with the picture. MAIII HUUU yeah whoa !! Flying high ??? Well someone had to shoot you down.. yak yak yak yap yap yap.. Go do something constructive for a change. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 21-Aug-02 10:33 AM
fRank: I feel you have raised some pertinent questions. I also just visited your message thread "...WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT THE STATES THAT EVERYBODY'S MOVING HERE?" where you say: "After living here for a year, I wonder what is so special about the U.S. that people back home in Nepal want to move over here...........IF you think I am a hypocrite the hell with you. I am here because of my parents and because I am a minor. And when asked to pay for my tickets to Nepal, I was told they wouldn't pay a rupee for my education if I go back to Nepal........." In summary, what you are suggesting is the Nepalese who come to the US for education and job opportunities should/are better off staying back and seeking the same in Nepal. And that you will go back at the fist available opportunity. You also suggest America-like conditions can be created in Nepal. I would like to draw your attention on that final point. What is "America-like?" What have you seen here that you would like to see happen/be in Nepal? What aspects of America do you think Nepal can emulate, and how do you think that possible? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 21-Aug-02 10:39 AM
Bitchpatroll: I just checked out. You have posted a total of three messages over the past two days, all to make personal comments on me. I guess you are someone who created this username with that sole purpose. Have fun, dude. |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 21-Aug-02 12:51 PM
Paraminderr, Ye sure have a lotta time in ya hand. yak yak yak...better yet get a jobijob...U ain't worth ma time. Talkin'g to every Tom, Dick and Harry ? GET A LIFE PAL... ATTENTION DEFICEIT(me me me ) problem.. no-one listens to u in yo hood ? is that it brotha ? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 21-Aug-02 04:13 PM
Bitchpatroll: And now you have resorted to racist metaphors: "hood," "brotha." You are trying too hard to sound offensive to African Americans. On top of your attempt to sound offensive to Madhesis/Indians: "Paraminderr." I am raising pertinent topics, and getting many relevant responses. That is what this forum is for. As the Terms of Service to the site says, if this does not interest you, keep off. |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 22-Aug-02 08:41 AM
Yo admit it.. you are nothing but a show-off trying to parade your picture hoping to git some action. You ain't notin' but a big L Offensive ?? What offensive ? You don't know offensive pal... trying to impose yo picture on people(even if we don't want to see it) is offensive. You need to take a class OFFENSIVE 101. AIIIIGHT !!! |
| fRank | Posted
on 22-Aug-02 08:59 AM
this is supposed to be a goddamn open forum, if you guys have personal grudges use instant messaging. then you can swear as much as you want. however goddamn nepalese why can't we ever live in peace. and paramendra or whatever ur name is, you might have got a degree from some AMerican College but i Don't give a damn. you are still a friggin Nepali. and it would be really nice of you to be using some nepali sabda haru. and one more thing. u dumbass,.. u got ur friggin pic on the net. dumbass. and u act here as if you own this place. someday someone is gonna F*** u up. I woudln't be surprised if someone steals ur identity..... and i don't understand how in the hell can you stay online the whole day. don't ya have anything to do. Stop being like those friggin Politicians of Nepal.. Stop blabbering shit. it ain't gonna help. if you really want Nepal to change. DO something. Be a man of deeds and not a man of words. Peace. AMen |
| paramendra | Posted
on 22-Aug-02 11:18 AM
Frank: (1) I thought personal attacks were from TND days, but they are still around, I guess. And I think you have to expect some of that if you raise issues like that of the Madhesis, gender issues. That background noise. I hope people keep focused on the issues, but, realistically, I am open to the possibility some usenames will engage in just that, especially on topics of social justice. (2) For the Nepali "sabdas," check out my "Haikus/Muktaks ..." thread. :-) I put only so much stock in college degrees. (3) "Talk" is action. It is work. Halo-kodalo matra kaam hoina. What do you think they do in parliaments? The law that has given the CIAA teeth, that came through "talk." Now, would you like to comment on the topic at hand, if you are done commenting on me! |
| Bitchpatroll | Posted
on 22-Aug-02 12:42 PM
Look at this moron, Yeah talk is important only if the people running the country is interested. But everytime someone educated here goes back to Nepal to do good they are sidelined by corrupt politicians like you who is all full of talk but no fking action. Just look at this thread how it started ??? yeah if you wanted you would do all the research yourself if you were soooo fking interested. Like Manish said.. like a typical Nepali govt. employee you want to sit on your ass like a gadhaa and let the others do the work for you. If you really care sooo much then you would pack your bags go back and do something about it instead you want to stay here post your picture and make a MAPAII celebrity ass of yourself. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 08:51 AM
Bitchpatroll: If you can refrain from name-calling, maybe we can disagree and keep talking. As for the "work." If the idea is to create an umbrella organization for all Nepali organizations in the US that will act as a lobby group in DC, then this thread might be the best place to do the "work." Invite the office holders from all Nepali organizations to this thread, and let them thrash out a possible document right here in public. This site is like an ongoing Nepali convention. And that way whatever is accomplished will be broadly participatory. You seem to think someone should shut themself up in some pristine library and do the "work." Sounds like you like the way the IMF and the World Bank work! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 03-Oct-02 02:56 PM
FIRST EXPERIENCES IN THE USA |
| paramendra | Posted
on 13-Oct-02 03:16 PM
Read a statement in People's Review - perhaps an ad - by FNA welcoming the king's moves ----------- strange. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 13-Oct-02 03:41 PM
Sajha has become hyperactive since the royal move(s). At one point there were over 1500 visitors per day, double the usual amount. New threads on the topic grew overnight to become some of the longest. But there has been little/no word from the Nepali organizations. Is it because they are primarily social and not political in nature? Is the situation too vague for the office-holders? Do they think the development routine? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 13-Oct-02 04:06 PM
By some estimates there are about 100,000 Nepalis in America. (1) How many of those are either at college or have college degrees? (2) How many of them are "illegals?" What percentage? (3) How many of these are from Kathmandu? (4) Which is the most represented town after Kathmandu? Is it Pokhara? (5) How many new arrivals each year? (6) Any departures? |
| Thakkar Sharma | Posted
on 13-Oct-02 05:04 PM
We need to ask this question to ANA or Nepal Rastra bank or Ministry of Education in Nepal.... |
| soulfree | Posted
on 13-Oct-02 06:03 PM
Paramedra Ji, To answer your questions, 1. I go to college, and i have college degree 2. I am not illegal, And I don't know how many percentage of those Nepalese around me are illegal. (I am not nosey and i dont' care) 3. I am from kathmandu and I am proud of it. East or west Kathmandu is the best. (I've seen people come from outside of kathmandu and use kathmandu to help them in every aspect of their lives (go to school in ktm, get job in ktm, hook up someone to go to forein land in ktm, lead a better life in ktm), and at the end of the day, hate kathmandu.) 4. There is second to none to kathmandu. 5. I don't know, I live far from JFK. 6. Not me. So paramendra ji, there you go . you know about two people (you and me) out of some 10,000 nepalese. I hope you will learn more. Soul |