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| Soliel |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 11:02 AM
Angreji Bhasa ma bhukna kojhnu bhanda aafnai Matri Bhasa ma kehi korne jamarko gareko chhu. Pakako golveda ko achar bhanda poleko golveda ko achar ko swaad nai beglai. (By saying this I am not trying to defame people who post in English. I, myself have posted my comments in English at numerous times. I felt it would be more appropriate and understandable if I write in Nepali for this matter.)
Aba, kuro garaun. Kurakani ka "posting" haru ma rumalinda dherai saathi haruko jaat paat sambandhi bibhinna dharana haru payen. Kehi saandarvik thiye, dherai asaandarvik. Ho! hamro desh char barna chattis jaat ko sajha phoolbari. Brahman, Chettri, Vaishya ra Shudra - yi char barna. Barna lai barga ko roop ma pani herna sakinchha. Dherai saathi harule bahun, chettri lai nai jaat ko roop ma liyeko dekhen. Kunaibela yi barna ra jaat le hamro Nepali samaaj ma nikkai thulo bhumika kheleko thiyo, ra ajhai pani ahile ko aadhunik samaaj ma prachalit chha. Yi barna haru kasailai thulo dekhauna ra kasailai sano bhanera hochyauna prachalan ma lyaiyeko thiyena, baru uniharuko kaarya bibhajan thiyo. Jasari ahile ko paribesh ma Maha Prabandhak, prabandhak, ya sadharan karmachari aadi hunchhan. Yo kuralai saathi haruko unabhigyata bhanau ya ke bhanau, arkai drishti le hereko payen. Je hos, samayantar ma yi barna lai nai manis harule jaat ko roop ma lina thale, thulo jaat ra sano jaat bhanne apadharana rakhna thale, pachi tehi moolprabah roop ma hamro sanskriti ra samaaj ma jaro gadhyo. Yo awashya ramro kura hoina. Tara, hamro Nepali samaajma matrai hoina, dherai yuropeli (European) desh haru ma pani uniharu kai bhasa anusaar ka barga thiye, jastai: Goldsmith, Naysmith, Butler, Schumacher jasta naam le uniharule garne karya ko sambodhan garthyo ra yi naam haru ajhai prachalit chhan.
Sathi haru lai lageko hola, maile kura lai kata doryaindai chhu bhanera. Awashya ma jaat-paat ko samarthan ma boli ra chhuina.Kuro ke bhane dekhin, hami Nepali haru jo bidesh ma basi rakheka chhaun ya sikchhya haasil garna aaka chhaun, hamile nai tan bahun, tan newar, bhanne kura ajhai pani gardai chhaun bhane hamro desh ma pariwartan aaune kahile? pariwartan lyaune kasle? Mahakavi Laxmi Prashad Devkota ko bhanai "maanis thulo dil le hunchha, jaat le hundaina" ta sabai lai thaha chha. Tara, hami katile tesko artha bujheka chhaun? Chintan, manan gareka chhaun?
Jaat-paat euta yesto manasik dasata ho, jaba samma haamile hamro manasthiti lai swatantra garna sakdainau, taba samma tes bata chhutkara paundainau. Aaun, Mahakavi Devkota lai pahilyaun.
Om Shanti
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| chhakka |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 11:24 AM
Mathi ko manav le ke bhanna khoje ko ho. Please, those who took the time to read the above write a summary in english in english script or nepali in nepali script.
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| jira |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 11:31 AM
chakka wrote:
"Mathi ko manav le ke bhanna khoje ko ho"
Bhat chalawuney lai ke bhunchun?... dadu ki punyouwu ? :-)
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 12:08 PM
Nepali ma lekheko yetai katai namileko bhaye, maaf gardinu hola sathi haroo
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Soleil dai,
Dherai pachi suddha nepali padna pauda dherai khushi lagyo(huna ta afu le nepali ma nalekheko yugau bhai sakyo ra sabda haroo pani turuntai aaudainan)...hami america ma padne haroo ma euta duskriti nai cha..nepali ramro bolne/lekhne lai PAKHE ko sangya diencha, yaha matrai hoina! Nepal mai pani. j hoss!
jaha samma yo jat pat ko kura cha, tapai ko khandan ekdamai gahakilo cha. Hami nepali haroo ma rastriyeta ta cha! chaina bhanna ta ma sakdina..natra, kunai bideshi le nepali man pardaina matrai bhanyo bhane pani hami sadak ma utriyera tyasko birodh garchaun! hami ma nepal ra nepali ko lagi athest atmiyeta cha.yo kura ma nakarna sakdina
Tara tyasko thik biparit, desh ko kuna kuna, galli, gaun, goreto ma hami ek arka lai nai "jaat" ko naam ma ghrina garchaun. hamro samaj ajhai pani asichit nai cha, tara hami sichit barga ma pani yo ghrina dekhda achhammai lagcha.yedi hami amrika ma basne, uccha sicha hasil garne,bhabhisya ko nepal nirmata, nepali daju, bhai, didi, bahini nai jaat lai liyera yetro thulo prasanga banauchau bhane, aroo ko garne k kura?yedi hami ek arka lai nai sahayog ra samarthan garna sakdainau bhane, desh lai kanla muni baata kasle nikalne?
aroo lai aulyaunu, gijyaunu, ra bharsak ek arka lai hochyaunu hamro alaukik nepali parichaya bhayeko cha..ma soleil ko bichar dhara lai purna roop ma samarthan garchu. Hamro manasthiti parivartan nagarikana desh ko anyol lai hatauna sakinna. Ek arka ko durbhyabhar tyagera, ek arka lai angalne ho bhane matrai hami agi badna sakchau jasto lagcha..tara ek dui jaana le garne k?
oys GAHIRO SOCH MA!!!
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| Soleil |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 12:39 PM
Chakka...Sorry for posting my thread in Romanized Nepali as I do not have the Nepali fonts loaded in my computer at the time being. After reading your comment, however, I feel even if I had written the above article in Nepali Script, you would have difficulty understanding it. And, that's fair enough. I hadn't expected it would make sense to a chakka like you. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read it.
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 01:51 PM
Soleil,
Nice article. Kati ramro kura gareko. Ani kati mithash purna nepali sabda haru ko prayog gareko. Maja aayo. Dhanyabaad.
BTW, what does soleil mean?
Sangey.
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| deep |
Posted
on 09-Aug-02 03:49 PM
Soleli ko kuro sandarvik chha. Manan yogya. Karyanwayan bhaye jhan sun ma sugandaha.
Bhat chalaune paneu, daal chalaune daadu. huna ta daadu le bhat chalayeni hunchha...
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| viewfinder |
Posted
on 10-Aug-02 03:15 AM
Soliel ji,
nyano abhibadan. chine chine jasto lagyo? khairr...
huna ta ma sajha ko naya pathak hun bhanda pani pug napug mahina dinn bityo. samayako gati thahai napai kati chando daudanchha chhamata hune bha ma samaya sanga haina samayalai ma sita hindaunthen kaash kohi prakritiko niyam biparit jana sake ta.
aba lagaun bishaya bastu tira. BHANNA JATI SAJILO HUNCHHA TESLAI BYAWAHAR MAA UTARANA UTTIKAI GARHO HUNCHHA. je hosh tapainko " sandarbha ra awaj " rochakta ko sath padna payiyo. yes lekhan lai matribhasa ko prayog le ajha thap yogdan diyeko mahashush garen maile. huna ta bhasha euta sancharko madhyam maatra ho. je hosh tapainko payash sarahaniya chha. yeslai nirantarta dinn sake ajha besh hunethiyo.
tapainle lekhnu bhayeka kura haru maa tita mitha satyata lukeka chhan. barna ra jaat ko shuruwat kahan bata ra kasari bhayo bhanne kuralai tapainle bado ramro shaili maa prastut gareko payen. hunasakchha hami madhya katilai yesko gyaan thiyena hola. yatharthata maa herne ho bhane jaat dui thari ka hunchhan LOGNE MANISH RA SWASNI MANISH bash. barna bhaneka yi dui jaat milera shristi bhayeka hun jastai bahun/ chettri/ newar/ gurung/ magar/ rai/ limbu/ sherpa/ kami/ damai/ sarki. akhir bahunlai kate pani uhi rato ragat aaune ho sarki lai kate pani uhi rato ragat aaune ho bhane pharak ke ta? kina hami bhedbhawa rakhne? tara parampara dekhi chali aayeko pratha lai yeti chandai tyaagna ali garhai parla bhanchhu. yesta samajik tatha manasik bhawana hatauna sarbapratham manish maa chetana abhibriddhi hunu paryo. chetana kahan bata paida hunchha ta bhanda sikchhya bata. aba kura aayo nepal maa sikchhit ko janasankhyaa kati? nepal samma pugnu bhanda tapainle bhane jhain bideshmai bhayeka tapain hamile yo kalushit bhawana tyaagi hami sab nepal aama ka ekai santati haun bhanne bhawana rakhaun. sathai " MANISH THULO DIL LE HUNCHHA JAAT LE HUNDAINA " bhanne bakyaanshlai aatmasat garaun.
antya maa " Sajha " pariwarlai yesh sundar phulbari maa bibhinna jaat jaati ka phulharu umari dinu bhayeko maa ma antar hridaya dekhi dhanyabad dindai sathai syahar samhar garne abhibara aaphai linu hola bhanne agraha kaa satha yo kurakani yehi samapta gardchhu.
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| suna |
Posted
on 10-Aug-02 08:20 AM
soleil=sun
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| Diva_starz |
Posted
on 10-Aug-02 08:09 PM
Soleil,
Nice Article..
I have also found caste system being described in hinduism's sacred text, the 'Rig Veda' as a social order intended to maintain harmony in society. But, if we give a closer look, we see the descent based discrimination prevades the society. This is often reflected in the behavior and attitudes of many nepalese not only in Nepal but also among some of us who are abroad. I still remember one of my uncle, who is highly literate and well settled here opposing his son's choice of bride just because she happens not to be so called par to his cast.
I have found tracing of caste *stories* to marriage ties (exogamy or endogamy), pedegree (finding common ancestor), keeping common kitchens etc. But, its disheartening when we hear castism, nepotism counting more then the person's credibility...
Untouchability has been abolished formally but the shades of it remain in the ingrained attitudes nortured by caste system and in an entrenched form of discrimination, still practised in some of the rural areas. What I feel is, caste prevents the possibility of associated living among people. Someone has mentioned castism as the most extreme division of social and political power and social segregation on the base of it, more dehumanising then slavery.
Let our conscience guide us all..
Peace
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| LaaliGurans |
Posted
on 10-Aug-02 10:00 PM
Yo bishaya eikdum saandharveek ra gahakilo cha....
Haami arka lai dosharoopa.n garna pachhi pardainau.n tara kahiley pani aafulai niyalera herna chahdainau.n. Samajh lai aunla uthaunu bhanda pahiley aafulai nai A.iina ma niyalera herda besh hola vanthaanchu.
THopa thopa paani ley samundra bharincha testai eik eik maanchey ley samaajh bhariney ta ho ni. Samaajh pani hami sabai ko swaroop ta hoi ,yedi hamiley nai aafno Beechardhara badleun bhaney samajh badlina pani dherai ber laagdaina hola. Khaali hostey ma hai .nste garna lai pahila gharo hola tara Ashambhav bhaney pakkai chaina...
"Haami" katipaya prawasi nepalii haru ko beechadharar ta badlya chaina bhaney jaat bhaat ko bandhan ma lagan gaa.ntho bandhiyeko justa naasamjhadaar nepal ma baseka lai key aunla thadyaunu? kati paya bidheysiyeka padhey lekhyka haru ta falana yesto ra dhiskana usto bhanera thaakdainan (kasto bahun baajey , tyo tyo falano kasto khasrya chetrri raicha, diskhana nyar, falano bhotey aadi aaroop/ pratyaarope lagako mailey dherai dhekhya /sunya chu ra achammit pani chu ).
Ajhai shyaed pachaash basrha laagla yo jaati paati oonmoolan garna......tyo pani eik ley arka lai saath diyema...yes bishaye lai khandan garera tarka bitarka diyera afno swar charko paarnu bhanda baru manan garda besh hola.....
Aru ma k bhanau?
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| Soleil |
Posted
on 11-Aug-02 11:02 AM
Sarba pratham ta saathi haru lai dhanyabaad. Mero bichar dhara ma sahamati liye dinubhayeko ma. Tara ek duita kura ma bhane saathi haru ko aafnai mataantar paayen.
Ho, barshaun purano yo hamro rudhi badi hatauna teti sajilo chhaina, jati bhanna sajilo chha. Tesko lagi manish ma gyan ko aawashyakta chha. Gyan sikchyaa bata aaunchha. Aba, ke haami Amrika ya anya bideshi muluk ma sikchyaa haashil garna baseka, sikchyaa haashil gareka ra bidesh ma nai ghar-jam gari baseka haru sichhit chhaun? (Mero euta samasaamayik prashna matra ho. Kasailai dosh-aropan hoina.) Yesai sandarva ma mero ek jana Nepali bandhu (uhan ko parichaya gopya nai rakhaun) jo Phd ko lagi America aaunu bhayeko thiyo, uha sanga ko bartaalap prastoot garna chahanchhu. Uha mero saathi ko ghar ma aauno bhayeko thiyo ra mero china-parchi huna gayo.
"ani yeha ko shuba naam?" Namaskar ko aadan pradan pachhi sodhiyo. "Soleil" maile uttar diyen....."Soleil ta Soleil, ani ke thari ni?"..."hajur ma Soleil ****"...."uso bhaye jaat ke ta babuko" arko prashna. "Bahunai ho? Upadhyaya ki Jaisi"...malai mera purkha le je thari ho bhaneka thiye..uhi thari bhanne jawaf farkayen....."Babu ko anuhaar herda ta babu Upadhyaya jasto malai lagena...babu jaisi hunu parchha...lau bhana ta babu, upadhyaya bahun bhaye babu ko gotra ke ta?"....Prashna kati sandarvik thiyo malai thaha bhayena....
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| Pundit is superior Aryan |
Posted
on 12-Aug-02 01:28 AM
Bahun pundit is the great and superior Aryan.
Kami – shoe makers. Low cast.
Damai – tailor . Low cast.
Chettri – solider. Middle level.
So what the hell you guys thinking…… Huh? You think I am pundit family and you are trying to insult me.
Go to Hell……
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| Damai |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 06:39 PM
Pundit baje,
How about kissing my a$$ for demarking the superior and the inferior 'jaats'?
"Barha basa kukur ko puchhar dungro ma rakhyo, bango ko bangai"..heard of this ancient nepali proverb, matches perfect in your case.
Damai
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