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| Gokul |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 07:43 AM
Khai Kathmandu Ke Bhayo Timilai Aajkal?
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Huna ta Kathmandu dekhekai ho
Tara pani hawaijahaj rokina lagda
Jhyaal bata chyayera herna mana lagchha.
Huna ta sabaithok bujhekai ho
Tara pani dui/chaar namilda kura
Bideshbaat lyayera pherna man lagchha.
Kathmandu - Ke bhayo timilai aajkal?
Timile ta bahaduri ko afno itihaas harayechhau.
Ani Biralako mao mao* sanga darayechhau.
Bhrasta neta ko dhukuti bharayechhau.
Nimukha janata lai bhane bhokai marayechhau.
Khai Kathmandu ke bhayo timilai aajkal?
Putali jasto chirichyannta mero putali sadak
Ahile ta jhusilkira jasto chilaune bhayechha.
Sagarmatha jasto aglo mero dharahara pani
Ahile ta phohor ko dangur ma bilaune bheyechha.
Asan ko saagbajar Bagbajar ma sarechha.
Ani Jyapu ko Kharpan ko kaam Cyclewaalaa le garechha.
Khai ma silli bhayeki kaso?
Khai ma silli bhayeki kaso?
Dillibajar ma Dilli ka manchhe matrai dekhchhu.
Singhadarbar ma shyal jasta manchhe matrai bhetchhu.
Kohi Kumari banki rahenachhan.
Kohi Kumari banki rahenachhan.
Padma Kanya ta Chhadma Kanya bhayechha.
Aru ta ke bhanau merai Ascol pani
Bomb banaune sthal bhayechha.
Bagmati bhanda Tukucha safa bhayechha.
Paani bhanda ragat sasto bhayechha.
Kathmandu - ke bhayo timilai aajkal?
Timi sanga Naitikata haina - phagat neta chha.
Nagarik haina - phagat nagarikata chha.
Upachaar haina - phagat aupachaarikata chha.
Awasar hain - phagat ausarwadita chha.
Hunda hunda malai ta yasto lagchha - saathi ho:
Bartaman matra hain aba ta bhavisya nai gaisakyo.
"Deshe maru jhya" haina aba ta "deshai maru" bhaisakyo
Bartaman matra hain aba ta bhavisya nai gaisakyo.
"Deshe maru jhya" haina aba ta "deshai maru" bhaisakyo.
(* Problem not severe at that time)
Awarded first prize in ANA poetry festival, 1999 Hartford, CT
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| Dilasha |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 11:24 AM
Yet another well written, thought provoking, emotionally sensitive and very touching poem from Gokul ji. Enjoyed reading it. No wonder it fetched the award. Thank you for sharing it with us.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 12:06 PM
Chatakka baanki mileka pankti haru.ma, euta bishwaasilo sangi.sanga chale.jhai shabda shabda sanga nirdhakka kridaa gardai eutaa tanik vismit tanik hatash man.le sodheka nirdosh prashna.haru hun Kabi Gokul ka yi kabita.haru.
After learning that such was poetry presented in ANA festival in the past, I am once more disappointed by the ANA poetry festival of this year.
Timi.lai dekhe pacchi mattai thaha bho malai
Oo.sanga mero premai thiyena !
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 12:07 PM
Chatakka baanki mileka pankti haru.ma, euta bishwaasilo sangi.sanga chale.jhai shabda shabda sanga nirdhakka kridaa gardai eutaa tanik vismit tanik hatash man.le sodheka nirdosh prashna.haru hun Kabi Gokul ka yi kabita.haru.
After learning that such was poetry presented in ANA festival in the past, I am once more disappointed by the ANA poetry festival of this year.
Timi.lai dekhe pacchi mattai thaha bho malai
Oo.sanga mero premai thiyena !
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| porky |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 12:13 PM
thoroughly enjoyed the poem...applaudable!
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| deep |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 02:25 PM
Gokul rocks. period. ki kaso?
Kathmandu lai sanchho chhaina
dhami jati maobadi bhaye
doctor nihu khojdai hadtal ma
shere dai le aapatkal laidiye
"mathiko aasirbad" lukai Prajatantra ko nauma
Birami chha kathmandu, sancho chhaina.
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| narendra |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 04:28 PM
kathmandu lai kehi pani bhayeko chaina
khancho cha ta kebal SACHET NAGARIK ko
kinaki kathmandu dharara jasti seer uthai baseko cha
rani pokhari jastai chaati phulayera baseko cha
dukha lagdacha yesma
dharar ko phohor hatauna sakina mailay
rani pokhari ko macha lai bachauna sakina mailay
ra aaja pani mero mutu kathmandu ma nai dhadkincha ...
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| bideshi |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 05:48 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed ur poem!
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| nuts |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 07:22 PM
No offense, but i found the above peom too racist; and learning that it was awarded the first prize in an ANA convention truly disappointed me.
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| pasa |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 09:04 PM
kathmandu change bhayechha.
tapain nagayeko dherai bhayechha.
phorhorko dungur hatechha.
patan ma townhouses banechha.
metro bhanda ramro kantipur yatayat ra nepal yatayat banechha.
boston ko sanguro bato bhanda bijuli adda agadi char len ko bato banechha.
ghar gharma (just in kathmandu) internet jode chha.
sabai chat tira lage chhan.
compter sasto bhayechha.
hbo ra cemax aundo rahechha.
manis haru game herna sports club janda rahechhan.
gokarna ma country club banechha.
9 dekhi 18 hole khelna pani bhayechha.
dhobi khola ko kinarma arko ring road ko tayar bhayechha.
amriko ko bhanda ramro nursing home bhanechha.
public telephone ma card chhirayer garna mile bhayechha.
sirf tapain nagayeko dher bhayechha.
pasa
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| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 09:42 PM
Ma ta najanido talle PASA ko fan bhayecu. Go pasa Go. Arupani chan bhane please bring'm.
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| nuts |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 09:47 PM
a nice one pasa !
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| pasa |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 10:03 PM
raisin bran ra kelogs cereal paindo rahechha.
budweiser pani paido rahechha.
departmental stores dher bhayechha.
credit card jatatatai chaldo rahechha.
budhanilkantha ta beverlyhills bhayechha.
paisa bhaye banjee jump pani garna paindo rahechha.
amrika ta minute ko ru 8 ma nai garna paindo rahechha.
hotmail praya sabaiko rahechha.
mp3 ra dvd ko kura hundo harechha.
hajaar ko note ta sayako bhanda pani sasto bhayechha.
kasaile kasailai chindo rahenachha.
gharko banki europe ko jasto bhayechha.
khanepani ko lagi subscribe garnu parne bhayechha.
aru pachhi
pasa
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| jira |
Posted
on 13-Aug-02 10:42 PM
kathmandu ko kura sunera chukka lagyo
haalchaal bujhna wuttai janey icchya jagyo
golden eagle harayo, budweiser ko ayecha junee
beer khayera batoma bottle chai naphaley hunee
aha! budhanilkantha ta beverlyhills bhayechha.
janna mun lagyo, Pamela Anderson huna ko chai gayecha
behana 3 bujey uthera gagree bharnu purney
tyo punee khaney panee bata subscribe garnu purney!
Wah! ghurko banki ta Awasya Europe bhayo hola
dhoka agadee ko phor ko banki chai kasto bhayo hola?
jugga bechera TV kinyouw, VCR punee jodyouw
budget ko auleekutee ley Pajero kinna punee kusta nahola
bholee india bata pustakaree bechna byaparee awulaan
sokhhai ta ho, credit card bokera subbai wuttai dhawulaan
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| Himalayas |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 03:59 AM
Kathmandau mahanagar
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| NK |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 07:07 AM
Jira,
Your ability to cut through the chase and say it as it is -but poetically (!) amazes me of often!
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| NK |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 07:09 AM
and oh yes, the sarcasm too! ;)
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| jira |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 10:52 AM
Yeah! I was just wondering how the h... Kathmandu got that frenzy look all of a sudden.
Nk, thanks for your comple.
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| hirdendra |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 10:56 AM
kina garchau gali mero kathmandu lai
kinagarchau gali mero kathmandu lai
kasle bnayo phoor mero kathmand lai
mero pyro kathmandu testo ta theana
sabai lai aunu paryo tei kathmandu
pahad tarai lai chaine bho meri kathmandu
randi jasto bhanyera khelyu meri kathmndu mathi
aile aba timi haru lai puge pachi
garchu gali tei kathmandu lai
na shere nai kathmandu ko
nao gereja nai
yes le ta janmayetho bierndra ra ganeshman
jao jhola boki afni gau garchau
hami garne chu khyal hamro kathmandu ko
bhanubhakta le jhuto ta abasya bolenan
"pasu ka pati chan rakhbari pani amarabati kanti puri nagari"
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 02:30 PM
kyarnu!!
Lekhna ta man lagdaina
Tara kathmandu ko prasanga niskyo!
Bhanna ta man lagdaina
Tara afnai naiteekta afu sanga jiskyo!
sachai hai, Kathmandu ta change bhayecha,
dobato ma dhukne sagar ni amrika pugecha,
Khali Khali cha re kathmandu,
Fohor Fohor cha re kathmandu,
Rekh dekh garne Nepali sabai bidesh hidechan,
sosak haroo le ani po mapai garechan,
Bhanna ta bhaneyou, taada bata kathmandu lai atti.
sochda ta afnai haat ta chaina, aaja bhayo yesko yo gati,
tai pani, kathmandu ko dasha dekhera maun ta rudo raicha.
DEEEP DAI,
malai ta handigaon pani birsiyela bhanera po atma glani hudo raicha!!!
:( nostalgic oys
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 02:39 PM
"...Ani Jyapu ko Kharpan ko kaam Cyclewaalaa le garechha.
....Dillibajar ma Dilli ka manchhe matrai dekhchhu.
....Kohi Kumari banki rahenachhan.
....Kohi Kumari banki rahenachhan.
....Padma Kanya ta Chhadma Kanya bhayechha...."
Ethnicist and sexist references in an otherwise decent poem.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 02:46 PM
WOT THE HELL....
some people are so apt in finding negative things....euta haud po huncha ta criticism ko!!
yo yo bro, that aint no sexist reference..its readers like ya that give it a sexist and racist connotation........if u can't live with that....then don't deal with it either......don't say NEPALI EITHER........nepali are like this and like that....that's racism too then...!!
AMRIKAN AMRIKAN JASTO MATRAI KURA GARCHA!!
pan parag, dimag kharab oys ko
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 02:52 PM
OOPS forgot to add the spice!!!!
and ya parmendra dude, we are all fascinated by your concerns and intelligence..no kidding myan!!!
but sometimes you also need to see life from a lighter perspective......hasa ra hasna deu mitra!!!
maybe its high time u need a break!!! sense of humor is not hard to develop..grow up !!
(ouch!!)
( didn't mean that in an offensive tone hai pheri, natra arko essay jatro reply aaula )
oys
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| deep |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 03:16 PM
Jasle je bhanos malai chahi Gokul ko Kabita man paryo. lau ja.
Maile bhani sake, Gokul rocks.
Oys_chill
Hadigaun ta **** ke birsina sakinthyo, ******** sadhe dui baje raati (ho ki bihaan ho...) Iceberg khayera "chumma chumma doogi.....chumma" gaako tham pani birsinchha? thokera bhandichhu **** pani birsidaina. aba ke thokera chahi don't ask.
note: fill in **** .. with your favorite words.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 03:54 PM
**** yo ta bharumla deep dai, ani yo ni ********????
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| Gokul |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 05:27 PM
Nuts,
Thanks for your feedback. This poem was lucky enough to be awarded first prize because of the absence of poets like you. So please do not be disappointed. Instead, take part in the competition and stop poems like this being awarded first prize.
Paramendra,
Thanks for your comments. Perhaps you are right. But my objective was just to observe the changes (without passing any judgement) that were taking place in Kathmandu. I just tried to be an impartial observer. I confess that I may not have covered everything that were there. Perhaps I just made gross observation but I still believe that the poem was not intended to make racist and sexist statements.
"...Ani Jyapu ko Kharpan ko kaam Cyclewaalaa le garechha.
This was intended to convey the meaning that due to increased competition, Jyapu's kharpan were being replaced by cycles. Perhaps this is good, perhaps this is bad. I donot know. This is just a true observation. It is upto the reader to decide.
I definitely didnot say "Madhise le pahade ko gaans khosechha."
....Dillibajar ma Dilli ka manchhe matrai dekhchhu.
Dilli is definitely not Nepal. This poem is for Nepali, not for universal humanity.
....Kohi Kumari banki rahenachhan.
....Kohi Ku mari banki rahenachhan.
....Padma Kanya ta Chhadma Kanya bhayechha...."
If you say Nepali girls are being sold as prostitutes in Bombay, is that a sexist statement? I am merely saying that "padma kanya" is not what its name suggests.
But definitely, your comments have given some food for thought.
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| ooohi |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 05:31 PM
yo deep bro,
keho, sabailai "you rock" bhanera sabaiko goodwill jitna khojne? In all the threads you seem to be agreeing to all the post-ers here at sajha. sabailai "thank you" ra "you rock" bhandai fursat chhaina.yeti dherai "hus hajur.." hunchha hajur.." bhaihalchha ni hajur..."
"farakai pardaina ni hajur...." attitude bata niskinu paryo, deep bro !
ani niskepachhi.......deusire !
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| deep |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 09:08 PM
ok, Oys_Chill, **** fill garna aauchha bhane ******* fill garna naaune kurai chhaina. Hamlai tha chhaina ki ke ho? hadigaun ko be-ijjat garna ta bhayena hai :)
Adha-rat dhalki sake pachhi pani bhuteswor agadi "mukandar ka sikandar" ko geet gairada.... Jhyal bata tauko nikalera gaali garera lyako pani samjhe. tara hamlai baal matlab.
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yo **** "oohi" chahi manchhe jhur re chha. khattam. malai **** patak.kai ramro lagena.
Are you happy now? oohi?....I am just kidding. I am not trying to win goodwill from anyone. If you go thru the threads here in sajha, there are many threads I don't show up in. If I don't like something, I would rather ignore than go on vomiting. Having said this, please don't think that Deep dislikes every tread where he is not in. I ignore threads for many reasons, 'unappealing content" is just one of them.
I have nothing to say against you. Now is this chaplusi? bhayena ni....oohi bro, yasari peldina bhayena.
Not everyone likes me , I know. I also understand I don't like everyone. Dui char wata thread padhera Deep lai judge gardinu bhayena prabho. Kaso?
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| NK |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 04:17 PM
Khai Kathmandu ke bhayo timilai aajkal?
Putali jasto chirichyannta mero putali sadak
Ahile ta jhusilkira jasto chilaune bhayechha.
Sagarmatha jasto aglo mero dharahara pani
Ahile ta phohor ko dangur ma bilaune bheyechha.
Asan ko saagbajar Bagbajar ma sarechha.
Ani Jyapu ko Kharpan ko kaam Cyclewaalaa le garechha.
Gokul ji,
I had thought about this poem for quite some days - on and off whether it was a "racist" poem although, unwittingly. I was sure somebody would raise this question. Since my Nepali has become really bad, especially in poetry kshetra, I thought I'd better wait it out.
Now you have given your clarification, allow me to say what I think. If one reads the above paragraph one could infer you are clearly mourning for the loss of "Jyapuko Kharpan". In antoher word you are not very happy to see "cyclewalaa". I think it is easy to come to the conclusion that there is some racist streak in this poem.
Saying that, I know we write what is in our mind. Remeber arts for arts sake? Trying to be politically correct and please everybody by saying the "right" thing would stifle a creation. It would not be honest. More importantly, that would be the death of creativity. But, and I think it is a big but, artists have some responsibility. What do you think? If artists want to say what is undesirable for some certain segment of the population then it is upto the artist to defend/clarify what he/she meant. Since arts/literature shows the sign of time among many other things, I think it is ok to say what the artists is thiking at the time. Maybe if the artists gave enough thought on that particular subject then who knows he/she would have come to the different conclusion? In your case a different line.
Do you know what I mean?
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| kavita |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 05:20 PM
>>whether it was a "racist" poem although, unwittingly. I was sure somebody would raise this question
Gokul already said that his real intention of this poem was not to spread racist feelings. Especially in the field of literature, literatuer generally express their true(inner heart) feelings in their literary works,but they don't also have right(?) to spread feeling of hatered. It also depends on readers and critics how they interprete their meanings.
Some so called kiranti people burnt SUMNINA novel by BP Koirala coz' this novel has negative feelings about kirantis.
Some magars burnt 'SHILANYAS' natak' by Bhimnidhi Tiwari coz' in this natak, there is negative picture about 'magars'
May be most famous nepali lokgeet of these days 'ekadeshi bazaraima..' by khem raj gurung was blamed as a racist song by some persons because it uses 'dum(one so called lower caste) word(dumai hunla) in one place.
How about 'kathmanduki newarni' lokgeet by kumar basnet??
If we start to search for racist feeling in creative works of every artists/literatuers/....., It might be possible that many artists/literatuers can be labelled as racists.
>>Ani Jyapu ko Kharpan ko kaam Cyclewaalaa le garechha.
It can be also interpreted as poet sees beauty while some kharpanwalla carries kharpans with vegetables on his shoulder and he is now sad that such scenerios are difficult to see these days. May be after 50 years, kharpanwallas(phaubanzars) will be only in 'kitabko pana' ma and cyclewalla might be replaced by some others, who knows? So, I think racism is not only depends upon how they write, but also depends upon how we look on them.
>>Singhadarbar ma shyal jasta manchhe matrai bhetchhu.
In the present time context of political situation, someone may also labell him as the terrorists, but I think it will be only stupid to interprete from that point of view.
In many articles, Literatuers have described 'raksi' as a good friend of them, look at some creations of bhupi sherchen and hari bhakta katuwal. But we can not say that their literary works do not have no social responsibilty and hence worthless.
Hence, I am not saying that writers are free to write everything they want. I understand other peoples' 'sensitivity', but we should have also courage to stomach the truth. In case of gokul's above poem, it's necessary to analyse so deeply as it is a some political agneda or 'papers' of political parties or some organisations. Gokul has just shown his personal worries/dissatisfactions/... about present day kathmandu, should not be interpreted as political opinions or something else.
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"...Ani Jyapu ko Kharpan ko kaam Cyclewaalaa le garechha.
....Dillibajar ma Dilli ka manchhe matrai dekhchhu.
....Kohi Kumari banki rahenachhan.
....Kohi Kumari banki rahenachhan.
....Padma Kanya ta Chhadma Kanya bhayechha...."
Ethnicist and sexist references in an otherwise decent poem.
>>Ethnicist and sexist references in an otherwise decent poem.
-paramendra
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Paramandra, I don't know how much nepali literary works you have read, but if we labelled gokul's poem as a sexist poem, how we think about many of puskar lohani's stories/poems, some of BP's stories, many of sita pandey's stories, many of bishnubivu ghimire's poems, parashu pradhan's stories, madhuwan paudel's stories, ......
Many nepali literatuer may not have given enough 'nyaya(justice) to their different kind of characters in their creations, but it does not (and should not be) mean they are ethnicist. May be there are some exterme cases. If you think that gokulji's poem is racist(ethnicist), I will not wonder if you blame that famous nepali novel ANURADHA by Vijaya Malla is also anti-terai novel.
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| Gokul |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 10:02 PM
NK and Kavita,
Thanks for the comments. I am still thinking whether
"Jyapu ko ..." is racist or not.
It is racist because
Jyapu represents local ethnic group of Kathmandu.
Cyclewaalaa - outsider and mainly from terai region.
The poet laments the fact that Jyapus are being overtaken by cyclewaalaas. So obviously, he is favouring local people and hence he is a racist.
But perhaps it is not racist because
Jyapu are the indigenous people of Kathmandu valley.
Asan used to be famous for its dabali and tarkari bajar. So, Jyapu and Asan have special meaning for Kathmandu.
Cyclewaalaa - not the traditional means of delivering vegetables.
So by saying "Jyapu ko ..." poet may be lamenting the fact that what was unique and indigenous of Kathmandu is being continuously lost.
Anyway, race is a sensitive issue and those who have been hurt may have different perspective than those who are not affected. Achana Ko peer khukuri le jandeina.
I am wondering whether I should have said,
"Asan ko saagbajar baagbajar ma sarechha.
Aba Jyapu le kharpan boknu naparne bhayechha."
O times! O mores!
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