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| SITARA |
Posted
on 14-Aug-02 11:36 PM
Did girls out-drink and out-smoke the guys?
I was in KTM when the DC convention took place, but I did "hear say" the above! Was that a slander or was there truth in that?
If true:
In an age and place where excessive smoking and drinking is going out of fashion, what are your reactions (to Nepalese women picking up this trend)?
......any comments??????
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| suna |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 07:04 AM
And your point is???
Up till I saw this posting, I have pretty much agreed to your chain of thoughts on different subjects. You even created a thread where you felt that some people were gender bashing or bashing each other...and here you turn around to try and start a thread on Nepalese women? ON SMOKING AND DRINKING???
Now I wonder what kind of responses you are likely to get on this and lets see where you will stand on this bashing session.
BTW, where is the trend for excessive drinking and smoking going out of fashion? the US? US is not the epitome of any trend-setting idea. When was the last time you visited Japan or lets say Europe? Ever seen some Japanese women drink? They would make some of our men blush.
And don't you think that the word "excessive" would be different in every culture?
Disappointing...
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 08:01 AM
Hey Suna,
Pretty objective observation on your part......As for gender bashing, I am Female and not opposed to smoking and/or drinking......the "hear say" did arouse my curiosity as to where people stand on their opinions!.....We do come from a stratified society and getting an "informed" opinion/s such as yours (...and I'm not talking about poking holes just for the heck of it.....anyone can be reactionary or a sensationalist; does not take too much brains; more malice, I suppose)), is refreshing to note! As for the other, I travel quite frequently to Europe and S.E Asia (but that was NOT the point of discussion).
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| suna |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 08:10 AM
Travelling to different places was not the point of my discussion either. It seems you missed the point so let me point it out for you: In Europe people drink during office hours, it is socially acceptable to drink a glass of wine or two. In Japan, women drink more than our men do..I was merely pointing out to you that the good ole US of A has a very puritanical view of life. Thats all.
But since you are female and you do tend to read postings, Im wondering if you have been paying attention to the tangents your type of provocation takes? It will definitely be more bashing than intellectual discussion.
I'm amazed women like you do drink and then also want to know others' view on your personal habits. LOL. I could give a rats a$$ to what others thought of my drinking habits.
But then, different strokes for different folks.
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| Riva |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 09:31 AM
I know smoking is bad, but my great grandmother smoked, grandmother smoked too and guess how I picked up my habit?... lighting cigarettes for my grandmother...I smoke and drink sometimes now, I am trying to quit because its bad for me not because some bunch of Nepalese judge me.
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| Soleil |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 09:32 AM
Did I "hear say" gender bashing? LOL. I see gender clashing of the same kind. Anyway, this is what I felt regarding the topic and author's question.
Excessive smoking and drinking? First of all, what is the limit or a set standard for smoking and drinking to be considered excessive?
Smoking and drinking going out of fashion? How long has it been?
Nepalese women picking up the trend? Since when was it solely the male trend?
You've got one life to live. Chill, thrill and spill the way you want.
Peace!!!
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| Golteen |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 09:34 AM
Sitara.. dude, u make no sense.. dont go with what u hear.. go with what u see dawg..
peace. P.S. Suna's comment just ate u bro
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 11:24 AM
Suna,
For an "informed" and "objective" writer.......I am surprised that you have assumed I smoke/drink.......hmmmmmm. NO further comments!! I rest my case!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 11:28 AM
Golteen,
Point taken (about "hear say"). As for making sense.......your perspective!!!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 11:31 AM
Riva,
True......I'm impressed! There are many who are in denial about health consequences!
good luck!
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| suna |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 12:01 PM
which case hun??
you had one??
And did I call myself an informed or objective writer?? seems like you're complimenting me! THANKS
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| suna |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 12:02 PM
And you don't drink nor smoke??
Hmm lighten up girlie...this ain't a court case!
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| Nattu |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 12:52 PM
Hyaaa, Ke Ko Jhagadaa BinaSitti maa ? Yesto FANTUS subject maa pani timi haru jasto
Gyaani Aaimai haru Kina Jhagadaa gareko ? Saaraa LOGNEY maanchey haru Pet michi michi Haasiraachan timiharu ko posting padhera. Aaimai Aaimai bhayera jhan Sangathit hunu ta Kaha Kaha, ulto beyizzat po garney ? Bhayenani !! Smoking ra Drinking ko bisaya maa pani ke ko MahaBharat....oh MahaBharat...MahaBhaaaaaaaaaaaaarat ni ?
Jaslai jati drink ra smoke garnu cha garey bhai haalyo ni. Aaaaaa, Ghichey huncha Mazaa le. Ke ko Taauko Dukhaai Bekkaar maa !! Anywway, I'm not too sure about whether girls out-drink/smoke boys BUT you gals surely out did on stupidity by posting
useless arguments. Na Laaz cha, Na Saram cha. Waahiyaat !!
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| suna |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 02:01 PM
Nattu: and you know what you need right???
I just read something very very interesting...wonder if there are any more outspoken gals in VA. Somehow MD lost its charm when a nice lass (NP) went back to Nepal for good. Now there was some vibrancy in that. Hmm not to say that my renewed friendship with a certain gal who smokes and drinks ain't fun but the lass who went back had a certain kind of freshness about her. Any more outspoken dc lasses left? (not counting sally :) of course..) Sally...where art thou??
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 15-Aug-02 02:22 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhh..that hurt! its the "but" that gets you everytime!
:)
Yeah, were is Sally!
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| czar |
Posted
on 17-Aug-02 11:26 PM
Suna,
I quote you here: "BTW, where is the trend for excessive drinking and smoking going out of fashion? the US?"
Lets get some facts straight: The US has seen a strong reduction in the number of smokers, both in the adult and teenage population, the last five years. These are the facts, as reported by the Surgeon General of the United States of America.
Which US you were referring to in your statement ?
Your other statement : "US is not the epitome of any trend-setting idea."
Which world are you living in Suna ? Ever heard of the following, very abbreviated list ? MTV, round the clock news by CNN, Star Bucks, from jazz to rap n hip hop, personal computers, the derivate market, index funds, plastics, the airplane, mass production of cars. Du Pont n Bell Labs are two american companies that hold patents for easily ten percent of all to inventions globally.
Pray tell, just where did all of these trend setting ideas originate ? From the penguins in Antarctica ?
Smoking: as a percentage of the population, nepal has more females smokers than any other country in the world. Even given the questionable data collection means in Nepal, this is still an astounding fact. This has been repeatedly verified in techno economic feasibility studies conducted prior to establishment of cigarette factories in nepal. I have first hand knowledge of this from my work with the financial and industrial development institutions in Nepal.
There is an old adage for lawyers that goes like this: If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts.
No, this is not a court of law. But it does well to consider the facts before constructing an argument. Otherwise, you run the risk of making a spectacle of yourself in a public forum.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 12:01 AM
Thank you Czar: You have taken the time to read my thread and recognize the purpose for its origination.
It was a long wait but very worthwhile, nevertheless!!!!! I have been wondering as to how many can actually make an educated/informed/reflective argument......without shooting off on a reactionary impulse. Apparently, there are some of us who keep ourselves informed with the changing times.
You are right....there has been a huge "eat healthy/live healthy attitude" among people living in US. I also know many non Americans (Asians) who are trying to quit smoking/drinking (not because of societal pressures) because of being better informed about health risks and their repercussions on their children.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 09:56 AM
Czar:
You are right on most of the issues you raise. Nepal does have some of highest percent of smokers among women. Drinking and smoking has petered off in the US after much work on the part of the anti-alcohol and anti-tobacco lobby. And generally the US IS a global trendsetter in various financial, media, cultural markets. But it is so US centric to think that the US is IT. It is not.
Ask the European! Yeah sure, the Brits want to join the US, but most Europeans are busy with EC, their lives and their reality. I think the US media machine sells a lot of ideas about the "West" to the world at large. But the US is not THE "west," the epitome of an industrialized society, and THE harbinger of all things "progressive". Most in Nepalis and other third world citizens sitting in front of their TV watching CNN believe the propaganda. And obviously Al Quaida believes it too! But that is a fallacy.
But most of all, both of you and Sitara missed the thrust of Suna's original comment. Taken within the context of Sajha, Kurakani and the way Nepali communities work, Sitara's comment is naive. Her post could very well have triggered an onslaught of derogatory comments about Nepali women. Because in smoking and drinking they are stepping beyond the accepted boundaries Nepali cultural norms that are supposed to keep them in line.
I totally sympathize with what Suna intended (I think, Suna, please correct me if I am off base, hai). Did Nepali women out-smoke and out-drink the men? Who knows! I wasn't there a whole lot to be able to judge. Who cares? But if they did? What is the point? And what about men? Should we also comment about how men then? Otherwise, why just women? Oh, they are not following trend is it!
Well, everything in steps, I say. Most middle class Nepali women, here or in Nepal, are still on that stage of "evolution" where they are out to prove their independence. Drinking and smoking among Nepali women is common among village women, women who are from the lower economic strata and of course the aristocratic and rich urban women. So that leaves the middle class women who, like their Victorian counterpart, have been socialized to act a certain way. So drinking and smoking then is often just an act of rebellion.
Alcohol and tobacco use have decreased, but excessive use is not gone. Look at the college campuses around the country. The number of young people being initiated into sororities and fraternities... can't say they do it without alcohol. And every year you her cases of alcohol poisoning among young people.
So anyway, Sitara's post could have been fodder for those misogynists who want to bash women about ... well whatever. It could have been their new ammunition, but instead what it has become is kind of a tug of war.
Everything is not based on facts. In this instance, it is the very basic laws that are being fought out. Such drama! Ha ha. Whatever, sorry for the long post.
SITARA:
It is delusional to think that people who respond to "your" thread stick to "your" intended spirit, topic or point of view. If they don't it does not mean they are trying to insult you... I say that because you said something in another thread about being able to walk away in dignity or something… whether the perpetrator is male or female. Of course there are freaks who say rude mean and callous things whether they are male or female, and you objected to it and so do a lot of people.
Not that you want or need an uninformed "commoner" like moi to process how it all works for your edification, but you might find that to be a helpful piece of information. Now when those who do NOT prescribe to your "intended" purpose in originating a particular thread "invades" that thread, well, you can at least rest in the knowledge that that's the way it goes. Once you put it out there, it ceases to be yours.
And please do get off your high horses. It is too painful. Don't make assumptions about who is keeping up with the trends and who is not, because for one, this is NOT a competition.
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| ebony_firefly |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 10:46 AM
ping!
upsssssssssss...sorry to have slammed in the court house...thought this was a nostalgic memory lane where i i was heading to...
out here i i can see a few lawyers with controlled demeanour..reminds me of germans.(humour less)..excuse me for my impertinence!
ehehehe ..lols
blac_
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 12:50 PM
Anepaliketi: :) Thank you for your comments! :)
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 01:00 PM
Sitara:
You're most welcome!
It is "anepalikt".
Thanks. :)
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| czar |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 03:05 PM
A spirited response Nepalikt. Alas, you failed to notice that I was merely pointing out the figures for women smokers in Nepal. Nowhere in it have I stated that it also applied to the nepali Diaspora in the US.
Yet you still took issue with it. Even though I have made no judgment on whether or not a large percentage of nepali women smoke their lungs out and/or are inebriated every day. It would please me to know such were not true. Either way, it supports the state economy. They surely need the tobacco and alcohol tax revenues in these turbulent economic times.
As for raising the spectre of nepali male bashing, by all means, please do so. If possible, turn it into a blood sport. Not much on TV anyways. (Should I issue the command for ‘shields up?’)
While it is laudable is that you rushed to Suna’s defense, may I point out that her statement was to denigrate the Americans while blithely dismissing their contributions in many fields of human endeavour. Sure, as ‘aliens’ here we are under no compulsion to like them.
Your response, and I quote you here goes thus: “But the US is not THE "west," the epitome of an industrialized society, and THE harbinger of all things "progressive". There are none so blind as those that look, but cannot see.
Allow me to address that particular fallacy. The US industrial complex is the largest, and in many but not all sectors, perhaps the most efficient in the world. The economic growth of the ninety’s saw an increase in productivity unmatched in any other economic system in the world. These facts seem to have escaped your attention. I don’t hold that against you; it’s easy not to see the forest for the trees.
A notable exception being the car manufacturers of Japan who have the Yanks, and most others, scratching their heads in bewildered awe. That still leaves an enormous number of things that the Yankees excel at. No, not the baseball team.
The economic output of the state of California is greater than that of Russia AND Taiwan combined. The Chicago area produces more than the country of Australia. Give that a thought.
“I think the US media machine sells a lot of ideas about the "West" to the world at large.” See what I mean about efficiency?
I rest my case.
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| suna |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 03:42 PM
czar
while I would love to comment, I couldn't be able to do justice to some of my own comments. I am out drinking and smoking.YES..alas...
BUT just one little comment: I think you should re-read interpretation of my thoughts.
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| czar |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 03:58 PM
Suna,
I shall be pleased to offer the lady a drink, if she were gracious enough to accept?
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 04:26 PM
Czar:
"Nowhere in it have I stated that it also applied to the Nepali Diaspora in the US." Yes yes. Okay, fine.
"Spectre of nepali male bashing"... yes, I guess to that too. I did point out recently how Nepali women too have taken up the sport of bashing the other sex. But mostly I think we have to worry about women getting bashed more. No?
You said, "While it is laudable is that you rushed to Suna’s defense, may I point out that her statement was to denigrate the Americans while blithely dismissing their contributions in many fields of human endeavour. Sure, as ‘aliens’ here we are under no compulsion to like them." But did she really mean to denigrate and discount the contributions of America? Maybe I missed that.
And yeah, we are "aliens" are not under any compulsion to like them, but I for one do. Does not mean they are IT though.
Yeah the US is powerful - economically, socially, and in whatever other ways. Does not mean they are IT either.
You said… "There are none so blind as those that look, but cannot see."
and then "it’s easy not to see the forest for the trees."
Hmmm ,should I be terribly upset? Nah, I think I will let them slide. :)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 06:40 PM
Nice going guys! I'm so impressed by your thought processes.....(no sarcasm intended...really!) It is no longer "my thread" :( but hey, I enjoy reading your views (backed with reflective thoughts ;) don't stop please!!! ......anepalikt; much as I reject this metamorphsis, I can't help but be edificed :) (.......is a confession of edification against one's will allowed?) I'm learnin, I'm learnin...the ropes of Sajha.com! And pssst anepalikt, "you walked away with dignity!" BRAVO!... As for Junki ji's comment (on the two man army) on your thread "Nepali girls with bad attitude", ... That too can slide!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 06:47 PM
CZAR:
Vous et tre gentile! You are such a gentleman. Can you offer me H20?????? After being slammed for my quest for knowledge (...not to mention enlightenment), I really need it!!
:)
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 07:29 PM
Sitara:
I am glad you feel edified, my dear. Otherwise I would feel my words were wasted! :)
And as for dignity, I had none to begin with. I mean I am a sajhaoholic! I hae no self-respect! I am obsessed by... I have no life beacuse of Sajha, okay.
Ha!
And were you propositioning Czar?
What can I say!
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| czar |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 07:56 PM
nepalikt,
You can always accept the offered drink, be it of H20, 0H, or whatever floats your boat.
Cheers ! (No irony intended). You rock, kt ! Meant in all sincereity.
It is a pleasure conversing with all here. Vive la difference !
Sitara? anytime !
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 08:02 PM
Nepalikt:
Now, now......that would be telling wouldn't it? ;)
As for having "no life", Sajha.com seems to be one of the best alternative lifestyles I've ever seen...yet! Would you call it cyber-Bohemian???......as long as one does not transform into a "gutter queen"..... As for my "high horse"...I could not afford a horse, it is actually a donkey...(...It was a choice between an elephant and /or a donkey! :) Don't like Georgie Podgie Bush too much!
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 18-Aug-02 09:16 PM
Czar:
I must have missed that drink offered! Otherwise how could I pass a free drink and the opportunity to live up to my image here as a hard drinking type! :P
And it would have to be vodka! Maybe a dry vodka martini.
Sitara:
Telling of what?... :)
And hey, "Gutter Queen" might work! Still a queen you know!
I would take an elelphant anyday. For all its virtues of being the beast of burden, I still like elephants. It must be my good hindu upbringing. Ganesh ji you know!
Okay enough posting for the weekend! Hope you guys have a great week!
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