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| worried |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 12:18 AM
Does Govinda Raj Joshi's son really own a petrol pump?
From nepalNews.com--
The Judicial Commission formed to probe the property and wealth of those in public posts after the restoration of democracy in 1990, wrote to the Rastriya Banijyaya Bank Friday to make available the details of Minister Chiranjibi Wagle’s bank account.
The letter forwarded to the bank has also requested for the details of the bank account of the Minister’s son, Devendra Wagle.
The Commission’s move came after the earlier property details furnished by the Minister who ranks after the Prime Minister in hierarchy in the care taker cabinet were thought to be disproportionate to what the Minister owns.
The Commission has been summoning high-ranking government officials and politicians to its office whenever it assesses that the property details do not commensurate with the living standard and possessions of the concerned officials or politicians.
According to the Commission there are many more who need to be summoned for inquiry as the details they have presented are unrealistic and are no more than a formality.
The Commission has already sought explanation from former Ministers Govinda Raj Joshi and Gopal Man Shrestha. Joshi was called at the Commission after complaints were filed that Joshi’s son was running a petrol pump in the US valued at 420 million rupees. In the complaint, it was also notified that Joshi’s next son was running a petrol pump in Australia.
The Commission headed by Supreme Court Judge Bhairav Lamsal is looking forward to submit its report after two months.
King Gyanendra gave a go ahead to the Commission following the recommendation made by the Deuba government to form a powerful commission to probe the wealth of politicians, government and non-government officials who have been in public posts after 1990.
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 12:24 AM
I wonder is this CIAA investigation is taking place in retaliation to Maoist complaints that the govt has nothing to show for?
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 01:49 AM
Deepak Raj Joshi, the son of 2036 ma Polyster ko udhreko pant laune Head Master, later home minister ani now Pajero Chadhne Govinda Raj Joshi, will very soon
need to clarify that he (Deepak Raj Joshi) does not own Petrol Pump in USA.
Well, Deepak Raj Joshi some time back clarified in Sajha.com that he is just
a part time employeer at a Petrol Pump Station in Colorado state (USA), and
his name will be dragged to Nepali Media very soon. Deepak, if your claim was
true that you are just a part time employee at Gasonline Station, then, you
will regret that being son corrupt minister is not worth in this world. The psychological
pain you will have to bear will be really tough. I wonder whether you could travel
to usa if your father was just a polyster ko pant laune head master ?
Meanwhile, it is said that Govinda Raj Joshi's sons first studied in Philipine and then
moved to USA. If they studied in Philipine, the US Dollar will surely be a questionable
investment on his son.
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Well, Chiranjibi Wagle seems to be heading to CIAA, and the cartoon in KOL
seems to be very appropriate for him "uha corrupt hoina, uha ta kapal dry
gardai hunuhuncha after sower (of Money)".
Chiranjibi wagle seems to be from Bungkot Gorkha and I wonder his social
/ economic situation before and after 2046. It looks our fellow Sajhaite Paschim might
know Chiranjibi Wagle's real economic condition before and after
2046, because both come from Gorkha. I wonder if Paschim shares same village
as Chiranjibi Wagle.
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| ??? |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 01:54 AM
both from bungkot, gorakha.
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 04:47 AM
Minister Wagle does come from Gorkha, my home district. What amount of wealth he and his only son Devendra have amassed after 1994 has largely been through inappropriate means. Although Devendra today runs a few lucrative businesses in travel and man-power export (exploiting political connections), a substantial chunk of their visible wealth today is a direct result of corruption, and abuse of public authority.
As a young boy, I admired Mr. Wagle's genuine struggles for democracy for nearly 30 years, around 8 of which were spent in prison for political beliefs, and sheer modesty of his lifestyle. After 1991, to my utter disgust, that changed.
In response, I have tried to morally, socially, and politically boycott him for the past 8 years. I campaigned against him, and did not vote for him in the elections of 1998. I have avoided him on on all social events, don't go to his house, and have not exchanged more than three sentences with him in the past 8 years.
I have rarely spoken about all this, except to a few of my close friends, as it has been a lonesome personal battle I have been fighting under very difficult circumstances -- it has personal implications, and my stance has put my immediate family members under strain -- but this is a social cost I am ready to bear. Publicly, people who have followed my writings can tell that I have consistently written on democratic accountability, anti-corruption, making democracy work, against venal samsadbadis, and not entirely in jest, have called for castration of corrupt bastards.
Public vices ought to be fought at all levels - personal and public, moral and legal. I hope this answers the question, and settles the innuendo for good.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 06:15 AM
Thank you Mr. Paschim. We (at least me) are so happy to hear and feel
confidently that we are sailing in the same boat. I understand its hard when you
campaign against the corrupts who occupies powerful positions like
Chiranjabi Wagle and his family. Its surely a very hard time
for your family specially who live in villages, but, lets not compromise with them.
Before we establish our own position in contrast to these powerful corrupt
peoples, its surely very very tough, sometime we even pass through extreme situation
and think of giving up all our past dedications and stands. Once we pass through a
heeling time, and every one around us know that we are different from those
corrupts, we have different status in our village. Well, some POWER PUJARI
will not like us and consider us as their villian and some time they even try to
trap and humiliate us. But, the general publics who are behind those powerful corrupts,
will slowly be on our side (silently by heart), but, not really publicly, its because
you know its very much dangerous for the local peoples who can not take
stand against them .
If the things are difficult for us in Pokhara NP where
police, administration, .. are so close, but, we continue to suffer, then, in
villages away from district administration and police, sometime these powerful
corrupts have full control of these district administration, I can imagine the
extremes. In this sense, we can do nothing more than waiting for changes in
due time. Lets hope something will happen to put these corrupts inside the
bar. Lets not give up our stand against corrupts. I know very well that there
are many Nepalis like us, who take stand in favor of honesty and continue to
reject these corrupts. Lets hope our number will increase and one day we
can revolt them.
GP
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 06:33 AM
Incredible amount:
Subedi who is one of the 22 civil servants nabbed on charges of corruption informed the CIAA Friday that he had lend five hundred million rupees at an interest of 36 percent to businessman Sunil Dhanuka.
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Ek honest CDO ki srimati le afno sriman lai bhanin re "tapai khardar kahile hune"
Ex honest Divisional engineer ko srimati le afno sriman lai bhanin re "tapai kahile
overseer hune?"
500 x 1,000,000 rupees equal to 500million. The number seems to be 10times
higher, because 500million = 50 karod
Do you think the number mentioned in the aforementioned news is really correct?
If so, I feel like getting fainted "khardar and 50 crore" Nepal ko sarkari jagir.
HG
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| ??? |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 06:37 AM
difficult to believe!!!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 07:41 AM
Can we apply 2nd law of thermodynamics in Nepali Politics (in error corrections?):
We know our Politics has a lot of error. All these corruptions are because of
errors. The Entropy coined by Shannon in Information Theory, should work.
Statements of the Second Law of Thermodynamics:
G. N. Lewis says:
"Every system which is left to itself will, on the average, change toward a condition of maximum probability"
"Every system left to itself changes, rapidly or slowly, in such a way as to approach a definite final state of rest. No system, except through the influence of external agencies, will change away from the state of equilibrium"
"Gain in information is loss in entropy"
T. S. Eliot :
"... this is the way the world ends
not with a bang, but with a whimper"
R. J. E. Clausius:
"Heat cannot spontaneously pass from a colder to a warmer body"
"The energy of the universe is constant; the entropy increases toward a maximum"
Joni Mitchell says:
"And the seasons, they go round and round,
And the painted ponies go up and down.
We're captive on the carousel of time.
We can' return; we can only look behind from where we came.
And go 'round and 'round and 'round in the circle game."
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| t |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 09:05 AM
It is so interesting many sajha savvy who likes to babbles about moist and kta kt ko guff are quitely avoiding topics on corruption and flooding in Nepal... I guess people don't like to talk about bad things happening in Nepal...
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 10:07 AM
I think its not they don't like to talk, but, its because
they think that its not productive by indulging in such topics.
They brilliantly knows that if their final destination of life is
about 20000 km away from, then, they extrapolate Newton's
law of gravity. The internal force between bodies is
inversly propertional to the square of distance. Thus, they can
not make any real changes by participating in such distant topics.
Topics like Gaijatra are very close because you can atleast enjoy
yourself. It makes sense to them. Talk on Politics by expatriates
are usually compared with "Male Masterbation". You just create
issues and you give solutions, make fun it, without disturbing others.
Well, who cares about social ethics, scientists say that 82% male
have MB while 62% of women have such things once in life. Nepali
Politics is probably important (part of life) to those who will surely
return to Nepal either immediately or in a couple of years, so, these
peoples should be participating in such MB, just to drain the
clogged ideas/issues and feel relaxed.
HG
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 10:59 AM
Nimukha Haru,
Why do you only point out the curruption by Gobind Raj and Wagle? Didn't you father currupt any more? How many people here in US are whose father was not a GM, Secretary of Ministries, Police Officer, and so on. I have seen many people who have come to study in US, they have weath which is earned by some sort of means. They thank their father for their bright future. They feel themselves successful dudes from Nepal. Rest of people who do not have those type of network or connections suffers a lot here in US, and finally they become as a drop out from the Universities. So, think yourself. Do not blame others simply. Gobind is a nice guy and Wagle is also a good man for me, because they helped me a lot to come to US and they did finance for me to come to US and to go to University in the United States of America.
Thanks Gobind and Wagle............
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| Satya |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 12:03 PM
Ritu,
Even a muderer is a good guy/gal if he/she helps you. Then who is a bad gal/guy? The one who can't help you because he/she has no money looted from the poor people and no power because he/she is too poor to be a corrupt neta. Did you get the scholarship at the expense of somebody else? Source/force jindabad!
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| Pauna |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 02:57 PM
Is some mean, Ritu is right.
>>>>
Didn't you father corrupt any more? How many people are here in US whose father was not a GM, Secretary of Ministries, Police Officer, and so on. I have seen many people who have come to study in US; they have wealth, which is earned by some sort of means. They thanked their father for their bright future. Rests of the people who do not have those types of network or connections suffers a lot here in US, and finally drop out from the Universities.
>>>>>
Let's see inside our own family. "Batti ko Fade ma Aundharo", or "Afno Ang ko Bhaisi na dekhne, Arkako Ang ko Jumra"??? If some one inside the family is corrupted, we should start fighting with in.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 08:58 PM
Ritu writes:
Why do you only point out the curruption by Gobind Raj and Wagle?
--
They are the corruption ring leaders in Nepal. If we can put them in
Jail and the position they occupied so far if replaced by really honest
person who will never be corrupt like GRJ and CW, corruption in
Nepal will reduce quite remarkably. We are not going to forget the
issue in a way UML dismissed the issue of Mr. Gurung's death or
Madan Bhandari's death. As long as GRJ and CW keep on enjoying
the freedom of corruption, they will remain target. Lets not give up,
calling them "bichara". We should call them "CHOR, THUG and
GHUSYAHA" if required million times, and if million time does not help
pronounce it billion times, so that they are socially hated and
mentally punished, just the way you feel, asking us to guess on you
whether you are trying to "chor ko khutta tan bhanda afno khutta tan"
because of hearing GRJ and CW, and seeing the RUMAL le mukh
chopeka people in NEwspapers gives an image of your own relative
and it makes you unbearable and therefore you burst here, to stop
and calling GRJ and CW as BISCHARA.
HG
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| Nattydread |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 09:37 PM
Hey people just go and ask the brothers that are working at the gas station or a restaurant. They probably paid Govind or Wagle instead of other people like Ritu who got help from them to STUDY in the USA. I have talked to them brothers who is working 10 hours a day 7 days a week just to put their kids through school in Kathmandu where Bagle is probably driving around in Rs 60 Lakh Pajero. So open your eyes guys
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| AP |
Posted
on 24-Aug-02 09:43 PM
It sounds like we are ready to find the truth about the people living in the USA too. I think one of the best place to investigate will be the NRB, because they have the record of the people who got foreign currencies. Once we have the list of the people then we can further dig into the questions how they were able to achieve those capital.
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 08:46 AM
HahooGuru and all of you,
A friend of mine said that she got a chance to go to Australia for study. That is good for her. I was surprised that her father was a policeman. How could she get that chance? I could not think about it at that time, while we were doing BA in Tribhuvan University, Kathandu (RR College).
The day when she was leaving for Australia, I went to see her and to say "good luck, and bye" as a being a good friend of her. I got chance to get to know her father. Her father was a really nice guy. I was surprised that a policeman could be that nice and polite. I used to listen that policemen were rude and impolite, but my friend's father was not like that.
Later on, I asked him that where he worked. He explained me that he had a very hard time, while he was in service in different districts of Nepal. He did not have such connection to relocate in Kathmandu. Finally, he got mercy from his chief, then relocated in Kathmandu. Meanwhile, he got another approach to get into Tribhuvan International Airport, Kathmandu as a police officer. He served in that post almost 4 years, then he relocated in different place.
After few months of his relocation from Tribhuvan International Airport, he bought a peice of land in Kathmandu and made a house. At the same time, he sent her daughter to Australia for study. She got a bright future having a degree from Sydney University.
Dudes, think of you, how is the Hakim of corruption? Isn't it his (my friend's father's) success? Can you say that he is a left-out personnel in the police department?
So, think of yourself, am I not from a corrupted family?
Enjoy American life.................Playing Base Ball in Fenway Park........
Bye now.
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| Satya |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 09:13 AM
Ritu,
Balmiki was a good robber who supported his family by robbing people. May be he made a mistake by becoming a muni becasue his family did not get the good life you are enjoying now.
With corrupt money few people like you and your friend went to heaven while leaving 23 million Nepalis without ek chaak bhaat and ek dharo luga. Congatulation to all of you living in heaven! Who cares poor fellows!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 09:27 AM
Satya is right that ritu's father-mama-thulobau-sano-bau-hajoorBau-whatever
GRJ or CW are, because Ritu claims that they sent him there to usa, Ritu
and people like him went to USA at the expense of 23 million peoples in Nepal.
Shame on you (ritu) who tried to justify the misdeeds of GRJ and CW. Its
all because of the new culture in Nepal where ghusyaha like GRJ and CW are
publicly praised for grabbing public funds.
As time comes they will not be left out, but,will find space inside bar. its just matter
of time. Now akhtiyar is working very well, becuase it had asked questions to
most corrupts like GRJ and CW. One day Ritu's friends father will also find a question
at Akhtiyar, don't let her walk with Chuchhe naak.
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| euta thita |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 09:29 AM
Ritu, what are you trying to tell us? That it's ok to take bribes? Most probably, it's Nepali people's tax money that gets used as bribe money. How is it good that one or two people get rich at the expense of thousands? Sure, individualism is good, but corruption is the bane of individualism. Did you forget so soon about all the corporate scandals going on in the US. Because of three or four corrupt individuals the entire corporation had to file for bankruptcy protection.
Corrupt folks only think of personal interests. They're not nice.
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| Democrats |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 10:15 AM
I think it is important/ prudent to distinguish DIFFERENT TYPES of corruption. We cannot say that ALL forms of corrution are necessarily reprehensible. That would be a naive and morally convenient position to assume but realitisically quite untenable.
I had written an article for the Kathmandu Post several years ago that went unpublished in which I argued that corruption in a new democratic system that had PREVIOUSLY been centralized and autocratic, one in which there was no democracy and where power was concentrated in the hands of the few (i.e., Nepal pre-1990) was actually necessary and in fact beneficial.
The idea is that ideology alone cannot take aspiring political actors very far. Pro-democracy leaders were able to bring the Panchyat system to its knees largely by sint of ideology, among other eforts by riding the wave of democracy that was sweeping the world at the time. The king was stripped of this absloute powers and the people of Nepal were made sovereign.
But these were overarching developments, what constituted the "grand scheme" of things. However, within the details of this overarching development there remained significant residual powers of the erstwhile system. To make the explantion brief: corruption HAD to take place immediately following the restoration of democracy because that was one way in which power could be, in concrete terms, be dispersed/dissiminated. Dispersed so that this "more widely available" power could be deployed to continue fighting the residual elements of the previous establishment. Again: ideology, as powerful as it may be, is not sufficient. Hard cash, money, etc. is vital in asserting power and its role should not be discounted.
What I want to put out there is this idea: what the CIAA is doing is commendable. But different varieties of corruption do exist as I have argued. It is important therefore that any anti-corrution agency distinguish between EXCESSIVE versus ACCEPTABLE/BENIGH corruption.
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| Not_corrupt |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 10:19 AM
Ritu,
It is no secret that corruption is widespread in Nepal. It is a fact that even the blind and the deaf can’t refute. But, to openly defend the corrupt by patronizing them because they’ve helped you, is unacceptable at a time like this. Nepal needs change, it requires every Nepali to resent corruption.
In Bhaktapur, you might be surprised to know that there are many business men/women there who worked in the fields day and night to make enough money and buy a vehicle, then they rent it out or drive it and make enough to buy couple more and have made their fortune that way. With the money they’ve earned through hard work they have been able to send their children overseas for their education. It is not fair to them to label students overseas as being associated with corruption.
Then there are those who have won scholarships to study overseas, like myself. Not only did the University give me free education, room and board but also a monthly allowance.
You seem to know GRJ and CW then you probably know where they were before they became successful politicians and where they are now. If you have some idea on how they might’ve become rich (legitimately) then share that with us or if you know the names of specific individuals, let's discuss it. Please don’t disrespect the thousand who are studying overseas on scholarships or whose parents have toiled hard to build a successful business.
Corruption is the biggest enemy of our country. I strongly despise those who are involved in it and those who support the people who are involved. I also wish that CIAA would start using hidden cameras to bring these idiots to justice in addition to past evidences.
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 10:26 AM
Dudes,
I bet you can't imprison your own son, can you? You could not imprison "Parash Shah" even he killed a "Nimukha". Why do you make noise? You go to hell and let them rule Nepal. Law and its enforcement unit under the power or the top posts of government. "Akhatiyar", what is that? You can not find that who has deserve for "Akhatiyar Durupyog". Not only Gobinda and Wagle, how about Bamdev Gautum ? Don't you guys know who the guy Bamdev Gautum is? Go to look your face in a mirror, dudes.
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| Dosi_Chasma |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 01:14 PM
Ritu,
See, I can easily see it with my Dosi_Chasma that ELASTIC of your Under_Garments is getting loose when you defend GRJ and CW on the point that those bastards helped you to come USA.
I will send you two photogrphs (in Thulo Fream ma) of them sothat you can worthship on them every morning when you get up.........................Your God fathers, hun?
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| Jay |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 01:26 PM
CIAA's recent move made us very happy. But I tell you we are are going to be soon disapointed. Our ballon of happiness will be punctured when we hear all those corrupted official go free unscathed. I have no doubt in my mind, despite so many public outcry to put them in bar and confiscate their property, they will go free. Here are the reasons why:
1. First of all , CIAA has to establish in court the huge amount of money they found in their home is ill gotton. This is very hard to prove thing in court because most of these folks have some sort of business( in paper only) to white wash their money. Some wil point they have profitable carpet business, oil business what not! They will definately resort to this defense. It is no brainer to know all the money they amassed is from corruption because why would anyone clings to RS. 5000 per month KHARIDAR job if they have such lucrative business venture. in court such argument doesn't hold water.
2. Second reason, most of these corrupted officials sons, daughters or relative are abroad mostly in Europe and America. They will say that all those money were hard earned money by their son or daughter or their relatives. If court will ask them to show their son and daughter's income, I don't know in Europe, but in America it's very easy. They will pay back track taxes for the past years and white wash all their money. All they have to do is hire competent CPA. According to the news report they confiscated property worth of Rs 6 arab equivalently almost 77 million dollars. That's a lot of money and to make that money white( thus theirs) and redeem themelves from the charges, virtually there is no limit in the amount of money they will spend.
3. Third reason, it's a tip of the ice burg. There many more corrupted persons who would love to see CIAA's effort got derailed. I believe there is already unspoken coalition formed among corrupted officials to topple it. And we have yet to know whether CIAA's effort is really genuine or politically motivated or just a pre-election stunt or immature bravado. We don't know yet.
4. We have an adage when God( Mahadev) sees money, even his third eye opens. They got so much money and considering what goes in Nepal , I have no doubt they will buy everybody. I will not be surprised even if Mr. Upadhayay is bought.
So folks, even though I want to celebrate, I cannot because I see them( corrupted folks and their sons, daughters) walking free and looking at us with scorn 'k nai khyasna sakyou ra....hamro Pajero chadai cha...hamro ghar chadai cha...".
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 25-Aug-02 02:45 PM
Folks,
CIAA is under another Mafia, it does nothing for Nimukha Janata. You guys can do nothing. It's not gonna happen in Nepal as in US regarding law enforcement.
Birendra was killed as a dog, what you guys did for justice. ????
Every three months, the government appoints new GMs in several corporations. What does that mean? Is there any transperancy of those appointments for GMs in different corporations? Why did RNAC go through financial crisis? What the hell this priminister need those unpopular ministers? Why did the Prime Minister not kick them out from the cabinet? It's all Dekharne Chala HO. It was happened in Panchayet regime too.
You guys can not do anything for Nepal. Keep quite and do your Mc Donald job.
What does that mean that Indian Priminister sends a gift to the New borned child in Palace? You guys are loosers so you guys make noise.
Jay Nepal.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 12:02 AM
Corruption in Nepal is perhaps the most overwhelming and tormenting subject to talk about. We all have directly or indirectly, willingly or helplessly, benefited - therefore suffered- from it. Corruption in Nepal is not some unlawful activities of a few greedy individuals. It is a sea where the state, its machinery and the people swim and float for survival, like the passengers of the doomed Titanic. I don’t know where to start to talk about it. I give up. Just a few random points for now.
1. The sea of corruption in Nepal is beyond the scope and akhtiyar of Akhtiyar Durupayog Nibaran Aayog. We need a body with authority to implement zero tolerance. Nobody and no body should be untouchable. Should I spell it out ? OK, the ROYAL PALACE. What about the constitution ? It’s your problem.
2. I find the posting of Democratsji mind-boggling. I have yet to organize my thoughts about what he has to say and I am not particularly comfortable with the notion of equating corruption to power, however, I think the idea of dispersion/dessimination of power is important aspect of understanding the democratic transition of Nepal. A homework for me.
3. I applaud Paschim for sharing his saga of a personal battle with a close corrupt individual. I never expected from Paschim otherwise. I know how difficult are such battles. I have a memory of my distant past (oh yes, bichalit past, thanks Paschimji for the expression !), when I had to earn enmity of my Mananiya Uncle. But I also felt (may be not then) a vague compassion for my adversary uncle. I knew he was more a part of a system and I hurt him more personally. May be I am talking about a human element, perhaps not a major focus of the current discussion. However I would have felt strange, if I did not talk about it. Do you feel the same, Paschim ?
4. I share the skepticism of another interesting poster, Jayji. However, I can appreciate the change in the note of the terribly deafening and monotonous raag of cynicism about corruption in the country. It is a haatti ko mukh.ma jira. But it is still a jira.
Good night for now. But I stay tuned.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 01:08 AM
When peoples loss faith on HONESTY, we will keep on justifications
on corruptions from peoples like RITU, DEMOCRATS, ... some more.
They don't have any word "SHAME" in their dictionary. They had erased
it.
Shame on you guys.
HG
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| dirk |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 06:55 AM
Cynics and Skeptics Galore,
Why don't people like Ritu and Jay reserve their judgments a little bit longer to see if the recent CIAA proceeds bear any fruit--may be it will change a few things for the better , may a wee teeny bit ..at this point any positive change is encouraging enough.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 07:22 AM
Second law of thermodynamics, in Einstien's perspective:
In a textbook there is a picture of Einstein's desk taken the day he died with a statement, "Desktops illustrate the principle that there is a spontaneous tendency toward disorder in the universe..." Wow! Stay away from desktops -- you don't want to get caught by the scary spontaneous tendency that happens there! Here's a quote and a photo that really deceives a reader by the first four words that I've italicized: "If left to themselves, the books and papers on the top of my desk always tend to the most mixed-up, disordered possible state." Wasn't the writer ever near the desk? Some mysterious alien force from outer space did it? Another, from a book that sold over a million copies: "Anyone who has ever had to take care of a house, or work in an office, knows that if things are left unattended, they soon become more and more disorderly..." Unattended usually means nobody around, doesn't it?. Isn't that writer implying that things all by themselves cause this disorderliness, rather than people? (He should be told that King Tutankhamen's tomb was left unattended -- really unattended -- for 3274 years and its arrangement of things was found to be totally unchanged, though dusty, when the tomb was finally opened in 1922.)
(ref: http://www.secondlaw.com/)
Are GRJ AND CW violating 2nd law of thermodynamics?
No. Its just non-spontaneous event. They dumped the public property to
their account. Looks negative entropy, but, its again positive entropy.
Akhtiyar is trying to create a positive entropy by moving the money
illegally collected by GRJ and CW to public accounts. . . ..
Entropy in developing countries is very high? Think it.
HG
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| *chamcha* ritu |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 09:37 AM
Hey you *chamcha* what's your problem??? Why r u in denial to the fact that CIAA is in action? And it will eventually drag all those "musa's" out of their hole to confront in front of all Nepalese. U sound so bitchy, why in the hell u have to drag yr poor friends father in the middle....u r not even an honest friend...i feel disgusted knowing yr views and i am sure u r the way u present urself. U knw what take yr disgusted self and wait in yr hole until CIAA drags u out with yr beloved ones.
V peace ya all !!!!!
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| Hari Shrestha |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 11:05 AM
Bearkar Ko Halla!!!!!!!!
Kaag Karadi cha...peeena sukdai cha.... These CIAA.....Raid..all these damn things are election propaganda by governement to get sampathy from people. Situation will be normal after 6 months...These corrupt officers will be " BI IZZAT BARI ( as in hindi movies)....... nothing will happen. Dont get excited.
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 03:28 PM
Thanks Hari ji,
I bet that it is a "Hallaa" of CIAA. We all know that the cheif of police Mr. Dil Bahadur Lama was accused and the court found him guilty of "Akhatiyar Durupayong" in the Panchayet regime. But, after a month, there was nothing happen. People had much expectation that he would be punished as he had deserved for "Akhatiyar Durupayong". Later on, what happped, I might not have to tell you more about later days.
Hope, CIAA will do well.
Good luck Nimukha Haroo.
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| Sabi le khancha... |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 07:42 PM
Mauka ko matri kura ho. Payo bhane sabi le khanca. Yeo 22 jana bali ko boka matri ho. Bichara scapegoat.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 10:14 PM
Ghus khane harule herda sansar ma sable ghus khanchan, they make
generalizations to prove their deed as acceptable. Bhadouma ankha futeko
gorule sadhai hiaryo dekcha bhaneko yahi ho. Don't discredit so many
peoples in this earth who honest and who will not take ghus at any cost
and they don't want to fall in the same khadal that you are in.
Khardar making Crores, and you call him baliko ko boka? You are
real bhadouma ankha fute ko goru.
HG
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| Observer Nepali |
Posted
on 26-Aug-02 10:29 PM
TO "Nepali Traitors and stupids of Scientific age"
In the context of Nepal, it is not only about doing bribery and loot. It is about rapping, killing, blackmailing, girls trafficking, killing innocent people, destroying security, law, constitution, justice systems, social culture, life, dignity and destroying Nepal. And more….
Dummy…. it is not only about Bribery.
I am in Russia so I relize that why we poor? That's not about money?
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 27-Aug-02 08:48 AM
HarooGuru Mahashaye,
well, there is only one who advacate for law and order. I am asking you what is your back ground. How did you learn to write English? I believe that you are a good person (not like my friend'd father and your are not like my friend who went to Australia), but think about your own family member what they are doing. Do you see any fairness in Nepal?
Your sisters are pleasuring all those Idian dudes in different Indian cities. Don't we have Akhatiyar? So, What does that mean to you? Do you know what Akhatiyar means?
Bhadog ma Akha Kasko Phute Ko Chha? Did you notice that when the all kinds of curruption and girl trafficing increased? Most of this type of "Kukarma" was happen and is happening while this Prime Minister was in office and is in office.
You have nothing to say dude...... go to hell.....
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 27-Aug-02 09:19 AM
Ritu,
Last time you were justifying the corruption by GRJ and CW, because
they helped you. Now you are pouring on those who traffic girls. I am
happy that here you speak truth. But, don't feel to have posed double
standard. Like you, if the relatives of those who traffic girls to red light
streets in India, if try to justify extending your justification, then, you
should not be surprised. Thats why we are talking here that neither
GRJ or CW's corruption is justified, nor the girl trafficing is justified.
Well, what CIAA is doing commendable, we want to see it extend
its work and try to cover all areas of corruption and misdeeds by those
who are or were in responsible position. ...
Just go back and read your early postings and compare with the latest
one. In latest posting, You are answering to your early postings, and
I guess its the power of Sajha.com
As long as I am concerned. I got offer to take bribe and do illegal things.
I wrote in this forum at least two or three times. I left the office,
not only one, I left several when I did not want to join the hands with
corrupts. Well, I have directly or indirectly paid ghus from one YAK Churot to thousand
rupees (both at malpot, char khal adda), but, I did not have other options.
Before I paid it, I tried my best to avoid it, but, when the officer says
he won't do at all, and with my time constraints, I had reimburse the payments
made by my proxy rep. I said to the officer, that I want to pay full tax,
but, he said, "murkha kura nagarnus, hamro rate bigrincha", and the
jagga dalal paid it silently and asked for reimbursement. All these situations
were developed and protected by peoples like GRJ and CW. I came to
know recently that when GRJ left teaching profession in 2037, then, he
was lawyer of ansha banda and jagga mudda. There he registered a lot
of PRATI jagga. Now, GRJ says that he sold 85 ropani of land. The
scenario some one told and GRJ mentioned in Satyagraha are quite matching.
GRJ was corrupt since he lost job. After 2047, he got maharog of being
corrupt. Once a friend of mine, who works in Ministry of Water Resources,
GRJ was minister. Kali Gandaki Project's proposal was in his table for approval,
GRJ told that kati ko project ho? The employee replied: Sar, yo 2 arab
(2 billion rupees), and GRJ told him that aba ma aru kura jandina , maile sahi
garnu parcha bhane janus yaslai 3 arab banayera lyaunus. ....
GRJ is known for currptions of this level. Any disagreements welcome.
HG
Rest later.
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| fRank |
Posted
on 27-Aug-02 09:29 AM
this thread is really cool. i really dont' know how to take a lot of money or give a lot of money. the only time i have offered to give bribe was when a traffic police caught me riding a mo'bike without a licence. i offered him 500 Nrs. which was 300 rs more than i should have offered. but he didn't take it cuz i told him mero buba sarkari karyala ma kaam garnu huncha. .that was a long time back. yo corruption ko kura ma i am not a big genius type. if i talk to my old father tonight. i will tell him to come tothis site for sure and give some opinions.. cuz i know all his life he hasn't taken any ghoosh .. and he doesn't even wnat to give any ghoosh. nepal ma hahoo guru ra mero buba jasto aru thuprai manche haru bhayeko bhaye nepal ko halat yasto hudaina thiyo ki?
yadi ma pradhan mantri bhaye bhane americali nepali dajubahini haru lai yadi jarur bhanchu ki.. ma sabai ghooshyaha lai ratna park ma nango ubhayera 100 korra jarur hannechu.. tyo pani afnai haath le.
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 27-Aug-02 11:08 AM
HahooGuru,
My all saying is that we need radicals not just "Sudharak". What do you think?
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| Euta Thita |
Posted
on 27-Aug-02 11:17 AM
I think Ritu is a surfer. Cowabunga "dudes"!
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| Satya |
Posted
on 27-Aug-02 11:19 AM
Ritu,
We already have more than enough radicals - Maoist!
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| worried |
Posted
on 29-Aug-02 11:46 PM
A relevant news from kantipuronline.com-
Over Rs. 10m in junior Wagle’s accounts
KOL Report
KATHMANDU, Aug 30 - Devendra Wagle, the son of Acting Prime Minister Chiranjibi Wagle, has deposited more than 10 million rupees in three different commercial banks in the capital city, highly reliable sources have confirmed.
The revelation, made in a news report on today’s edition of The Kathmandu Post written by Gunaraj Luitel, comes less than a week after Minister Wagle told the Judicial Inquiry Commission on Property (JICP) that he has not deposited more than Rs 600, 000 in banks.
The fact that Minister Wagle’s son has deposited so much cash amount in the commercial banks, argue highly placed officials, signals the actual volume of property amassed by the minister. According to information obtained by Kantipur Online, Minister Wagle’s son Devendra has deposited Rs 4,134,006.98 in his saving account (0701-000-70322) at Bank of Kathmandu, Thamel; Rs 2,976,200 in his fixed deposit account (4376) at Himalayan Bank, Thamel; and Rs 3,850,000 in his saving account at Nabil Bank, Kantipath. In these banks, junior Wagle has deposited a total of Rs 10,960,206.98.
The exposure is in stark contrast to what transpired last week, when the high-level JICP ordered Minister Wagle to submit actual detail bank accounts opened in his, his son Wagle’s and another family member, Manju Sharma’s names.
The government had constituted the JICP last April in a bid to crackdown on corruption after thoroughly probing property of all politicians and government officials assuming public office after the restoration of democracy in the country in 1990.
Four months on, the JICP is still collecting property details. The high-powered body, headed by sitting Supreme Court Justice Bhairab Lamsal, has also sought similar details from former minister, Govinda Raj Joshi. Joshi and Wagle are among few political figures in the country, who have occupied various ministerial portfolios after 1990. (sjs)
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 12:48 AM
I think some of us are underestimating the influence of our personal boycott of
those corrupt officers.
The fact is plain and simple: when those people know we don't want to associate
ourselves with them, it hurts them, it bruises their pride.It is that simple. Mostly
because we are often relatively educated people, a standout from the crowd
that cheers them in our villages.
I know a friend of mine,a SLC and ISc board,who boycotted the receptions
hosted by royal nepalese embassy after late ambassador Tulsi Lal Amatya helped
a couple of sons of leaders of UML gain scholarships in Chinese universities. I
always admired him for that, so did a lot of others.
Let's not let the stinking persons claim propinquity/proximity with us.Let us make
them feel how undesired they are.
--
I have observed that after CIAA raided those few people, people belonging to a
particular party, Girija Congress, are not very happy. Deshantar Weekly even
tried imply that most of the people implicated were 'affiliated with one party'.
Now it is enough.
Since when the corrupt officers started coming up with these party affiliations
and tags? Are corrupt officers also "Girija Congress" and "Deuba Congress"?
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There are some who said CIAA should not only nail these 22. There are bigger fishes.
Fine. But are these small fishes? 22 people with 6 billion rupees? Heads of major
custom offices. Are they small fishes? Hell, no.
When you are pulled over by a cop in Interstate for overspeeding, do you have
a right to tell the cop, " I am not the only person overspeeding. Look those people
in there are driving in 75 miles/hour?"
A law enforcement officer can strike any person, anywhere he likes. If there is a rule
of hierarchy, then people will always rest in peace that since no one has
apprehended a minister yet, so they (subba, kharidar etc.) can do anything they like.
---
Another ridiculous thing is: the day after 22 people's houses were raided, Sher Bdr
Deuba called Surya Nath and said if he needed those telephones/faxes etc. to
modernize CIAA.
CIAA needs top law graduates, and law enforcement authority. As well as that,
CIAA probably also needs a tenth of the money it confiscates from the corrupt
people as its administration expense.
So far, CIAA is a failure in court. Without being able to prove someone's venality,
CIAA also doesn't have any right to claim that it has nabbed corrupt person. CIAA
needs better brains/equipments for it to run efficiently. No one wants CIAA to
be an authority that runs amok , without any responsibility, and nails anyone it likes.
We are democracy, and we want credibility, transparency and rule of law from
CIAA as well.
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| Watchman |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 12:27 PM
Joshi sons were reported to have owned or worked at a gas station in Denver area. Can someone from Denver area provide the actual (or general) location of the gas station. It could be important for the CIAA. You can find out who owned the gas station. As you may know, all the businesses have to be registered with the state's Secretary of State's office.
Thanks.
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| nepalipan |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 01:14 PM
Hi,
Per Govinda Raj Joshi press release (see link below), his eldest son has moved to Florida.
Interestingly, Govinda Raj Joshi has claimed in that press release that his son had deposited money many times in his account in Nepal.
REMEMBER, few months back eldest Joshi Jr. was saying that he was working hard (in gas station) for his living. I wonder where he got the money to send to CORRPUT DAD!!!!
http://gbnc.org/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=6634
Nepalipan
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 02:01 PM
Guys, why are you so excited? Nothing will happen after the election. Who can find them out how they make money? They are the most successful people in Nepal. You guys to to hell.
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| :o) |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 02:11 PM
you coming with us too Ritu :o)
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| CIAA victims |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 03:32 PM
Nothing happens........ Nothing happens...........
Election is comming. OOHhhh no......
Who is going to vote me now??.......OOHhhh
Who said I am dumm??..........
I already made that much........before I loose in this election.....
I don't care.......Other bank couldn't even deposited other millions.....I have dug hole in my relatives backyard.......if they support me......I can help you out.......
I have too much anyway.........who can claim they have more than me.....
I am going to plea Insanity defence........also plea as a GUSSO_holic.....I had no choice.........................................................
Didn't you guys learn anything from Japanese culture.............................
For instance.
"HIRA KARI" ( any japanese expert please help me here) Nepli people don't understand
grab whatever you can grab and commit sucide yourself.......
Your family atleast can live happily................................................
Also " KAMA KAJI" ................................It is good in japanese society why not in Nepal.......
Thank u very whoever supported me in this bad time, I will help you out when I come back from..........
But however didn't support me, you go to hell, You are all dumm ass...........
You don't have money and power...............
your are not successfull..................................
You talk to much.......................don't you know that.......
Talk is cheap.......................
if we loose election, we will join Mao party.....................
we have lot of money....
peace people.
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| wizard from OZ |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 08:34 PM
There is no doubt about the corruption being carried out by GRJ. Like all mantiputras, his sons had (having) a nice time courtsey their dad. The rumour in Australia is that they have left Nepal because of death threats from MAOISTS and also to whiten the black money. Dinesh is now President of Congress Party in Australia (actual name is different, I don't remember that), elected. How come he stay silent, its in his blood. He is a NETA in making.He recent got permanent resident (Green card) of Australia. I have nothing against him as he is friendly guy but due to KUKARM of his dad.......
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| Watchman |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 08:46 PM
My question again, please provide the location of the gas station Joshi_putra used to work or he used to own - EVEN IF HE MOVED TO FLORIDA. Inactive ownership/corporations can be found out too. Thanks.
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| samantha |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 08:51 PM
NO DOUBT..GRJ is da worst of all Netas..Why sucha ghusia Netas (janta ko ragat chusnee) r still moving freely turning their A$$ ..showing Jantas...LOOK his son, he'd been known Neta's son..while we'd time together at KU..he seemed nice..but lil' bit different thats obvious..as he's born in the Netagiri fashion..we cant deny the fact...** OUR country's called" sati le sarape ko desh" and thats becoming true if we see in todays cotext..i dont knw howcom' our country's in the path we'd never thought...AKHTIYAR durupayog " though working...on its own way...but " dhan dekhe bhane mahadev ko pani trinetra " bhaneko jasto...i'm afraid if dont turn its face off...
A genuine topic!!...KUDOS to the one who started..it!
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| Hmmm... |
Posted
on 30-Aug-02 08:52 PM
janet reno dances on the trail. yeltsin boogied on stage.
RED HERRING
come on people, it's so transperant to me!
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 31-Aug-02 07:11 AM
How do you measure curruption in Nepal? What is your definition of curruption in all cases of Nepal? I am not looking for a literal meaning of the word.
Jr. Wagle and Jr. Joshi-s are not currupt. They might be capitalized through inheritance. Is there any record with CIAA who gets what as to the inheritance? Does system require to submit the amount of inheritance? What the hell "Bakas" system doing? CIAA is making people Victim, it is not doing right thing as it supposed to do. How much tax did Jr. Wagle and Jr. Joshi-s pay for having "Bakas" from someone (fathers)?
So, it is clear that CIAA is a whim and it does nothing later. There were several whims in past like this. Thereby, nothing will happen in the system and all the top officials can carry out this type of successive "Karma". Let them be happy with their achievements.
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| Satya |
Posted
on 31-Aug-02 11:33 AM
Hello Ritujee,
It seems that you are defending CW, GRJ and all corrupt people in Nepal because almost all of our karmacharis, netas, beparis and common people are corrupt. Even the king is no exception. However, this is no excuse to support the corrupts. Even though you dad is no.1 ghusiya you cannot justify his kukarma because he is your dad. Ghusia is Ghushia even though people might think he is God who is actually Dog.
Whatever CIIA has done until now is a step forward. May be it politically motivated action as election is coming. May be only supporters of opposition are targeted. May be all ghusias arrested by CIAA will free tomorrow if real purpose behind the raids is not bhrastachar nibarn. Your suspicion may be true. Your logic of supporting (or ignoring?) corruption simply because we are not sure justice will be served does not hold water. Pessimism does not allow automatic support for those ghusias. Only insane people justify corruption of millions. May be you could forgive small fish like peons who might have earned few hundred rupees illegally. But we should not let loose those mad "Dogs".
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 01-Sep-02 06:11 AM
Mahat accuses Govt. of corruption in gun deal
KATHMANDU, Sept 1 – Former Finance Minister in the Deuba cabinet Dr. Ram Sharan Mahat, has accused the government of awarding contract for expensive rifles in return for kickbacks. more
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Mahat is another corrupt, but, speaks when he could not get anything out of it.
Can Mahat, cunning former finance minister, explain how they make money in
Finance Ministry by overdraft techniques?
We all know Deoba'S current trip is money making trip, because he
skipped Earth summit and lingering in Europe, and he was england
probably to put money in English Banks. Last year, Kantipur
reported that a group of Nepali Ministers, including Khume went to
New Zealand to put money of Girija Suputri to .... including Mahat....
and it was all siezed, on interpol's advice/intervention.
Mahat is worst cunning Finance Minister in the history of last 12 years.
Mahesh Acharya who was leading the Lauda scandal gang, but, has
some dignity and respect, does not look that extreme cunning like
MAhat. Can anyone prove me wrong.
HG
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 01-Sep-02 02:27 PM
Why are you so negative with all the powerful people in Nepal? What is your background? What do you want to tell us? How do you know who is currupt and who is not? Why did you let them be currupt while you went to "Charkhar Adda" ? Why did you not oppose them with regards their attitude at that time? Why did you give up your dignity at that time? You have no answers.
My only concern is that let them rule Nepal. How long can they rule Nepal like this? It is the main question. I would be Maoist, if I was in Nepal now. My three brothers who have different Master's Degree form TU are still unemployeed and I am supporting them working hard in US. At the same time, all the fellows of them are already employeed in different INGOs and they are making Rs. 50,000 in a month. You see the difference in Nepal. My brothers are indirectly victim of this situation, still I want all the powerful people rule Nepal. And another group of people "Stalianist" will take care of them. Then, they will notice that what money does for them.
Good luck for making NOISE from USA, Mr. HahooGuru.
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 01-Sep-02 02:46 PM
http://www.celrrd.com/html/corruption3.html
http://www.derechos.net/ngo/celrrd/corruption.html
http://www.newslookmag.com/exclusives/corruption2000.html
http://www.ahrchk.net/hrsolid/mainfile.php/2000vol10no02/191/
http://www.nepalhorizons.com/bharat/FFIT/CorExamp.html
http://www.yoni.com/bitchf/rapenepal.shtml
http://www2.worldbank.org/hm/anticorrupt/0021.html
http://www2.worldbank.org/hm/anticorrupt/0021.html
Many more sources for you, Mr. HahooGuru. It might have designed some of these web-sites. You will know what corruption is all about.
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| Satya |
Posted
on 02-Sep-02 07:44 AM
Ritu,
What do you want to prove? Corruption is unavoidable and therfore socially accetable?
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| hahooguru |
Posted
on 02-Sep-02 08:42 AM
S/he want to prove that GRJ and CW are not corrupt, despite of accumulating
money in their accounts.
In one hand s/he (Ritu: has never disclosed Ritu is male or female) claims
GRJ and CW as good and honest, despite of accumulating money illegally
because They helped Ritu in getting out of Nepal. While on the other hand,
the Ritu claims that Ritu's brothers have no jobs after graduating from
Univ. Does s/he knows the reason? I wonder, whether Ritu has capacity
to see the root of reason why Ritu's brothers are unemployed. As you
can see 6 billion rupees from 22 low level civil servants, and how much would
be with CW, GRJ, khume .... ? 6 billion rupees equal to one year salary
for 60,000 section officer level govt. employees. 60,000 Nepalis could
be employed in section officer level for 1 year. On the other hand ,
6000 Bachelor would get 10 years uninterrupted job from the money.
Do you know annual intake in Section officer is about 100 section officers,
thus, there could .................. Have you ever done the basic maths?
Unfortunately, you are blind in this perspective.
HG
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| Satya |
Posted
on 02-Sep-02 11:07 AM
Probably Ritu hopes CW's kursi will be saved until his/her brothers also could be rocketed to USA.
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| worried |
Posted
on 02-Sep-02 11:44 PM
Chiranjiwi Wagle's property in 2048 BS. (as published in Gorkhapatra 2048 BS Bhadra 20):
Land: 6+59 ropani in Gorkha Bungkot
Cash: Rs. 90000
Gold: 9 tola
Source: Kantipur
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kantipur_html/kantipur_news4.htm
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