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| Jame Bonds | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 09:22 AM
I have been a devoted Ashu fan since he started posting in this site. Thesedays however it is beginning to seem like Paramendra is hell bent on replacing Ashu and taking his heavyweight title. There's never a day without 25 plus postings by Paramendra. I think he has begun to wage a personal campaign to become the number one poster. Being a number one fan of Ashu, here are top ten reasons why Paramendra is not going to take Ashu's position. 10. P is relatively new in the field of posting. 9. P's sense of humor is less than entertaining. It's pityful 8. P feels discriminated and singled out, he lacks the resilience that Ashu has. 7. He doen't have the thick skin to brush off anything that people say to him like Ashu does. 6. P posts way too many things in a course of a day, while Ashu posts one or two that people can savor and enjoy. P needs to stay focussed. 5. P likes himself i.e he even posts his pictures. That's a little too self centered (no matter what excuse he gives). Unlike Ashu who's succeeded to remain a mystery man. 4. As far as ethnicities go, P seems to focus on the terai baasee's only of which he's a member, while Ashu speaks for any ethnicity be it chinese professor to kamaiya. 3. P's postings signify darkness, while Ashu's postings are bright and jolly and informative. 2. It seems like P has too much free time, while Ashu finds time to post. ... and the number one reason why Paramendra is not going to replace Ashu's is... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. His postings are B.O.R.I.N.G. |
| joie de vivre | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 09:24 AM
puh-leez. I don't care how boring Paramendra's postings are (and mind you, not all of them are boring), I'd read his postings over ashu's anyday. |
| Jame Bonds | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 09:27 AM
Oh Sorry, I wanted to post it in the Humor section. This is not to be taken too seriously Joie De Vivre!! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 09:38 AM
007: I have met Ashy in person only once, in summer 1996 in Kathmandu, and many times thereafter in cyberspace, first at TND, then occasionally over e-mail, and now again at Sajha. Actually he is the person who got me to this site. I have warm feelings towards Ashu, and I have every reason to believe that feeling is mutual. And I respect the guy. He seems to connect people, bring them together. I have never felt I am competing with Ashu for anything. I feel there is plenty of space at this site for anyone, not just Ashu and me. But you meant this thread to be entertaining, and it is. Keep it up! :-) |
| ashu | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 11:25 AM
Hello there 007: Enjoyed your humor. Really funny. Keep it up, please. *************** Paramendra, You have said it quite well. Thank you. Yes, I had had an enjoyable meeting -- over chiya-siya and vegetable pakaudas -- with you at Aroma Restaurant in Jamal in the late summer of 1996. Remember the cycle-ride to Martin Chautari to listen to Dr. Mary Des Chene's presentation that evening? Quite an experience, wasn't it? Yes, there is NO competition as such. I mean, what's there to compete for, right? And so, there's nothing but mutual respect. Sajha, after all, is a place to relax, and NOT something to get all stressed-out about and therefore NOT a place to win our trophies, as it were. Not to sound too mushy, but the love, the affection, the support, the friendships and even the occasional anonymous gaali-saali of our fellow Sajha folks make up the stuff that keeps me going and going here . . . SHARING news, views, ideas and disagreements with you all here on a strictly voluntary basis :-) On a larger note, truth be told Paramendra, though I reserve the right to disagree with your ideas on occasions, I have long admired your wide-ranging intellectual interests and the sheer energy and the drive with which you seem to pursue them. I wish I had half your energy. As a visitor here, I am very happy to also find you here as a regular poster/visitor these days. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Hmmm2 | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 11:48 AM
Ego is so great an impulse, it made both Paramendra and Ashu fail (of course unsurprisingly !!) to notice the subtle point 007 was making. He was not talking about the competition between these guys at all. He was merely pointing to the deficiencies in Paramendra's postings. But Ashu and Paramendra saw nothing but mouth-watering food for their egos. Hmmmm.... |
| hard to resist | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 11:55 AM
I know it is hard to resist. How big have the heads become;0! Can we measure it? |
| irresistible | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 01:32 PM
some people seem disappointed that this thread did not bring out the fight as anticipated. chuckle. chuckle |
| Nepe | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 03:52 PM
Two heavyweights in the ring and what is this, they are talking about vegetable pakaudas ? Jhoor show..Jhoor show.. Paisa firtaa deu.. |
| junu | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 07:36 PM
Jasle ramro kam garchha uskai khutta tanne Nepali haruko bani dekhi sarai dukhha lagchha. kasto achhamma. Ashu and Paremendra always bring serious issues.usually Ashu tries to bring informative issues from Nepal and Paramendra tries to focous politics and racial issues.You should be proud of them.You guys like if people talk about sex, hottest chicks, and other filthy stuffs. that's why you think paramendra's posting is boring. If you don't like , you don't have to read his posting. Persanally I don't know who is parendra but I like his posting very much. I have been learning so much about nepali politics and society from his posting. honestly I did not know about the women rights . after reading his posting I came to know it was terrible. Having social and political system major, I would like to learn more about this kind of issues. Mahatma gandhi ko pani dherai khutta tanne haru thiyere. you have to feel that way. junu |
| paramendra | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 10:08 PM
Well, Junu, thanks. This is the first time I have spotted you at the site. I hope you keep more engaged. Kudos. |
| Lami | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 10:17 PM
Hey Paramendra didn't you say you were a bachelor still??? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 28-Aug-02 10:37 PM
Lami: This is the first time I have spotted you at the site as well. Lami, is that a female name? If I am understanding it right, are you one of the reasons I have been the subject of some indignant postings recently where I am accused of posting in Hindi to impress girls/women! So much for Sadbhavana! Are people for Hindi, or against Hindi? I stand confused. |
| Lalupate*Joban | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 02:42 AM
Paramendra Bhagat: "Yaadein" * * * * * In his adolescence, Paramendra Bhagat used to be a big, big (yeah, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg) name in the school that likes to call itself "the center of excellence" of Nepal. Not just a big name, a living legend in fact. Yeah, you got it - like Ganeshman Singh in those first few years of the post-Jan Andolan period. While Paramendra did not have the pagari of sarbamanya neta or a daring, sensational escape from a prison's toilet to his credit, he did possess the halo of a prodigy. Grandiloquent prose in the school's yearbook "Bhanjyang," mellifluous poetries in national sahityik publications ("Maile canvas ma rang pokheyn ra tyo indreni banyo...," or so one of his poems in "Madhuparka" of those days went); the reputation of having a CK Lal-like mastery of Nepali as well as English (well, Hindi was seldom spoken in the school, although Hindi movie screenings were treated as grand monthly fests); keen interest in social service; affable and sunny personality; and dusky, charming looks. The dude from Sita's birthplace was destined to go places, or so it seemed. * Paschim's dad is supposed to have gloated once while teaching some bhura-bhuris: "SLC taakaa Paschim Paramendra sanga sikthyo; ahile Paschim kataa maathi, Paramendra kahaan!" Ahhh...destiny! Thou art friggin' unpredictable! You introduce new characters and new priorities in one's life. Playing games, twisting stuff: demoting some, elevating others to unforseen glory, and derive wicked pleasure, stroking ur friggin' ego. Yeah, Kissinger was damn right; power is the ultimate aphrodisiac! Intoxicated with that heady cocktail, you exercise it with abandon. Ah Destiny, u bitch! D-Day. A-level results came out; the excellent student of the "center of excellence" fared badly at the box-office. No prizes for guessing why; you know the song "sabai laai yastai ho sohra satrama...," right? (With an error margin of plus minus 3 years, the song's divine lyrics assume significance. Mushy Nepali folk songs, despite being uttaula, seldom tend to be devoid of truth.) In the democracy-might-work-in-Nepal-this time mood of the first few years of, Sangram Morcha was conceptualized but died a premature death in the womb. Due to lack of sufficient nutrition - aarthik as well as baicharik. Despite the premature death of the Sangram Morcha in the womb, the pregnant bhundi was noticed. Sadbhavana beckoned. The burgeoning cosmopolitan mind took a rather provincial turn.Not that it was unjustified. Kathmandu's anti-Indian/anti-Madhesi environment tends to take a toll on one's cosmopolitan sensibilities, u know! Either making you so fiercely patriotic as to blur the lines between healthy patriotism and anti-Indian jingoism (remember some Bamdev-loyalist Akhil comrades' khukuri pradarshan parade to Kalapani a few years ago, and, of course, the whole Hrithik Roshan farce!), or making you become obsessed with the Madhesi cause! Yeah baby, blame Kathmandu ko pani! University of Chicago rekindled hopes but dumped him when it came to serious commitment. Yeah, just like a coquette. Berea came to the rescue, like a loving friend who, despite having harbored romantic feelings, had shied from making romantic overtures because he was seeking beauty of a higher standard. When viewed in light of his personal history, Paramendra Bhagat is a pregnant superhit that never materialized. Like Subhash Ghai's "Yaadein," u know. [Postscript: No clue about Ashutosh Tiwari's personal background, except that he happened to go to Harvard. So, this portrait will have to be limited to Paramendra.] |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:06 AM
Lalupate*Joban: Your username is a mystery, and perhaps that is your intention, but you seem to know quite a few details. But I must say yours is only one version of the story. You seem to get the outline right, but the rest is a matter of conjecture. (1) My final three years at Budhanilkantha were the unhappiest of my life. I saw institutionalized casteism/racism/ethnicism first hand, and it was my wake-up call. I compare it to that time in a toddler's life when he/she must first come to terms with gravity. I also saw the social version of the same. (2) The University of Chicago episode. I got accepted to that institution within a year of getting out of high school. If my academic standing/promise was as bad as you claim, why did they accept me! The finance part of the deal did not work out because one BNKS graduate decided to waste a scholarship. But I have moved on. (3) During my years between high school and college, for 3 years, I was one step behind Hridayesh Tripathy in the Janata Dal hierarchy at a time when he held the same chair in the Nepali parliament that Vajpayee held in the Indian. I am pleased with that. I am going to keep giving the Madhesi cause my best for as far as the eyes can see. The details of my personal life are nothing compared to the civil rights struggle the Madhesis face. In 1995 - which according to you was my down time - I was nominated Poet of the Year by the International Society of Poets in DC. (4) I am happy for Paschim's career progress, and he seems to be happy of it as well, just that once in a while he bemoans the lack of stable company, if you know what I mean. (5) I was at Berea College for 5 years. Fall 1996 to Spring 2001. The first year was very happy. The final four years were unhappy. I changed my major from Maths-Econ, to Econ-PoliSci, to PoliSci, to Sociology. Primarily to better understand the issue of race. Two words: social segregation. Except for the final month and a half which were super, thanks to Lara. I am the first freshman in the college's 150-year history to have been elected student body president there. (6) For six months to May 2002 I drove a semi to 42 American states. Never done so much travelling before. I am glad for it. I hope to do some more travelling. Also in South Asia. Would really like to go to Africa for about a year in a few years. To see people who are poor as us, but with a much harsher history, and a very different culture. (7) I don't work for some fancy multi-national, I am not on Wall Street, my degree is not Ivy League. But it is the individual ultimately. Not the institution one tags up with. Just look at all and sundry college drop-outs in history. (8) I have had tough times in my past. True. But part of your writing reads like a sorry obituary. Whereas my life has not even begun. The part you miss the most is my anger at the institutional prejudices/biases, glass walls and ceilings at places like Budhanilkantha School and Berea College. (9) I am not sure I was wanting to get into all these personal details. I'd rather discuss global trade. (10) As for career. I hope to write a bunch. And I hope to perhaps run for Congress maybe from Oregon. And nothing stops me from working hard towards those goals. So I am largely happy. I don't expect to attain goals that I might not set for myself. For example, I have no plans to become an engineer or a doctor. And I hope to travel a ton before politicking for good. All ove the world. We will just have to wait and see. And, oh yeah, I missed the whole dot com part. For that check out the Sulekha.com thread. . . . . Happy Reading! |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:24 AM
Pramendra used: Two words: "social segregation". I am sorry that you will be angry with because I am going to run my mathematical profanity in your "social segregation". In the perspective of 2nd law of thermo dynamics, the ethinics in Nepal are in perfectly order, and have very low entropy. As education goes ahead, and peoples go on realizing that caste and race are not important, but, humanity is important, then they try to mix, the way you can seem south america where peoples "japanese, white, black" all are so mixed up, they, don't what was their origin, and they father looks white, mother looks black, and kids look japanese or red-indian. In Nepal, its matter of time we will reach to this stage of complete mix "disorder", perfect stability, i.e. society with maximum entropy. Maximum entropy means uniform distribution, equal chances or probability. Well, Education is our catalytic agent to bring us to the level of max. entropy. Then, we will forget who is pahadiya, who is newar, who is madheshi, .... So, I suggest you to apply Entropy concept in your studies and explain why should we mix up? Anyone who tries to keep things in order for long time, has to spend a huge energy and seal the system, so that energy is not allowed to flow towards higher entropy. HG |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:26 AM
Lalupate Joban: Sacchai what it is with people... why is it that you have to talk about other people's personal lives and their trials and tribulations. What did you think you were doing in sharing information about Paramendras's life that HE DID NOT volunteer? Why do you think that it would interest anyone? You hide behind your 'pseudonym" and go on about someone's real life (real or made up, I don't know, only Paramendra can tell). Hare, what have YOU done in YOUR life? Actually it will probably bore everyone to death anyhow, so please spare us. I remember some folks also did the same thing to Ashu some while back.Thank goodness for Paramendra and Ashu, people like you seem not to bother them too much. Oh well, sanatan thari thari ka!! |
| Jame Bonds | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:28 AM
I think it's very low of Lalupate*Joban to drag Paramendra's personal details into this forum. It would be fair if along with his posting he had included a brief details of his achievements in life as well. That was very very low Lalupate. Each individual tries his best to do what's best for him. Some succeed and some don't. Some don't give a damn of the outcome and moves on to make the best out of whatever or wherever they are. People like you who point their fingers at others while remaining anonymous are the worst kind of virus this website has. Paramendra, although i do poke fun of your postings, I have respect for where you are coming from. I feel bad that your personal information was dragged in here. Down with posters like LalupateJoban who hide behind the sacrimony of anonimity and bring up personal issues. |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:32 AM
Bravo Hahoo Guru! |
| Site Admin | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:34 AM
This is to note that sajha.com does not support bringing up personal issues under an anonymous or unknown name to ridicule or belittle other registered posters who spend their time trying to make a good place out of this site. Thank you for understanding. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:42 AM
Site Admin: Something rather serious just happened. You deleted two messages to this thread. The answer to free speech is more free speech, not censorship. Please repost what you just deleted. The other person's as well as mine. I have used my real name and identity here at the site. And I stand by it. If the censorship is not reversed and discontinued, I will consider discontinuing participation at the site. I can take care of myself. No, thanks. |
| what is this | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:46 AM
Yo, Site Admn has his own policy. Who are you to dictate what he should do? Remember you are frolicking in a pvt property? If you don't like it you can leave. Let's see how many minutes you can b e away from this site. Now go on. shoo. shhoooo. |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:54 AM
what is this the word used was "consider" and noone is dictating anything... don't be rude and try to capitalize on a situation. |
| sally | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:55 AM
Paramendra, I don't think anyone with a reasonable sense of perspective will take anything that was said negatively. You got a high profile on this site (just like Ashu) and now (just liike Ashu) someone comes along and says, "hehehe I know the dirt on this guy." Whatever. Maybe the anonymous muckraker is hoping to get a job digging up mud for the other side when you run for Congress. Hey, one person looks and sees mud, another person looks and sees fertile soil. How about if we all support Paramendra by posting the mud about ourselves just to get it over with? Like, my math scores were always lousy. Yes, indeed, if good math scores are a mark of success, I'm an absolute wallowing-in-the-mud failure. And ... what else ... oh yes, I've had a bunch of overdue library books. And my college roommates could probably say some pretty nasty things about how I didn't always do the dishes if they ever came on this site. (Oh no! My reputation will be ruined! No one will ever listen to my brilliant postings again!) |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 10:08 AM
Sally: The issue here is free speech. Anyone may post anything here. That has to be the cardinal rule. I have thick skin. Growing thicker by the day. Thanks for Sajha. San's intentions are great. But he may not start deleting messages. Free speech is a great idea not because people always (or ever) have great things to say. Or because people don't say wrong/crude/offensive things. Free speech is great in its essense, period. I was not offended. Actually, the guy was quite flattering to start with, not that I was particularly flattered either. And I am not about to tell what topics he may talk about, and what he may not talk about. All I was doing was exercising my right to free speech, to set the record straight. And boom, censorship creeps in. I have been through this debate at another web community I participate in: The writer ran for Congress in 2000 and is doing so again in 2002. California 29, the Hollywood constituency. Filters: If We Don't Speak Today, Will "1984's" "NewSpeak" Become Tomorrow's No-Speak? http://www.epinions.com/kifm-review-14D6-670147E-3959EBB8-prod1 Why Swat A Housefly With A Bazooka? http://www.epinions.com/kifm-review-10EC-B9F5969-39673A00-prod3 The Writer's Voice http://www.epinions.com/user-review-DD8-2FAACAA-39329172-prod5 |
| Site Admin | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 10:08 AM
Paramendra, The reason I removed those two were because I don't want this site to be a breeding grounds for personal animosities or personal warfares, where some anonymous or unknown person brings in personal issues to the table. In any event, I have restored those two postings since you have requested it. Best Wishes |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 10:11 AM
San: I am grateful to you. Thanks. That was prompt. My high regards for you remain unabated. I look forward to spending a ton of time at the site. My favorite online community for now. |
| blocKade | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 10:16 AM
To Paramendar, 'I look forward to spending a ton of time at the site.' Is that a threat? ;) |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 10:20 AM
BlocKade: To some people it is perhaps. But I had not meant it that way before you pointed it out. ;-) |
| Paschim | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 11:40 AM
Katro thulo Jaatra? Our voyeuristic culture baffles me -- measuring “success” by "conventional" parameters (as scripted by a potential father-in-law from Dilli Bazaar impatiently waiting for his daactar jwain to whisk away his virgin chhori out of PK) does dis-service to the bold, vocal minority like Paramendra (and Ashu) who stand out for standing out for choices they made (leaving Harvard to go work in Dang; or working in politics before college). Let’s not speculate on the motivations and drag personal innuendos here. Why not play and amuse ourselves without being malicious? Paschim ko baau pani aba Sajha ko paatra? Of the unique 800 surfers here, I have probably known Paramendra Bhagat the longest. Surely the two of us are in least need of a tamasha. I’m sure Ashu, the original gladiator, also agrees. Different matter if all this was for the glory of Rome. A day 12 years ago when myself and Nuru Lama thought hard and decided to choose to study economics and maths, and not Chemistry and Physics, we were ridiculed at high school, because “conventional” expectations were such that we ought to have studied science and become daactars (for that impatiently waiting Dilli Bazaar ko father-in-law and his virgin chhori?). We defied a “convention” then, were ridiculed for it, but are today mentioned in high school circles as “conventional” specimens. Ah, the myopic irony. Let’s celebrate diversity and our myriad ways of going about our respective lives in our own distinct ways, differently. No need for cookie-cutter approaches to careers, or external judgments and defense on our diverse lifestyle choices. |
| orion | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 11:44 AM
Amen Paschim. You are a born preacher. I agree totally. |
| bideshi | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 12:11 PM
Paramendra et all, It's sad that people dragged ur personal life in this coloum and tried to make fun of u.Hah!WHerever u r from and whatever u do,it matters only to u and ur family.What we do is respect for ur contributions to the sajha.com and either like it or dislike it. Besides it's not the end of the world,who knows,today somebody seems successful,but nobody knows the future.ANything might happen.Besides,anybody's personal life should not be draged in this sajha.com This is a place,specially for people like us who is far from home,to share each others thought and be close to Nelease instead of developing hatered amogh each other.Go on Paramendra,no need to feel bad .Cheers! |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 12:17 PM
ok ok ok ...sabbai kura chitta bujyo....from parmendra to paschim, to site admin from dilemma to correction... sirf one more oys thought : after all the hardwork, his pledge towards his soil and everything.....paramendra wants to run for congress in OREGON?? well, personal preference.......jus it bothered me a lot.(hareyy!! pheri brain drain of LORD BUDDHA back on track, it won't set me free or what? ;).natra oys doesn't have the capacity like the sajha star posters to compete and participate in discussions beyond my lil prison :) clarification accepted!! ignorance, more readily accepted... I keep away from high tech stuff ;) btw, i liked hahagoru ko ENTROPY..i am fascinated by it..............entropy is the law of the universe hoina? no wonder, everything in life is only getting worse :( reverse theory pani "LAGERA KHOJNE HO KI" hahoo ji :P |
| dirk | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 01:58 PM
I, too, was quite taken back Paramendra's ambition of running for the US Congress from Oregon. I don't know him but have admired his tenacious quest for knowledge and dialogue all the while championing the cause of the "madhesis" of Nepal. I think he'd be better off running for the seat from his constituency in Janakpur in the forthcoming elections. |
| sally | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 02:10 PM
What's wrong with that goal? I for one think a Nepali in the US Congress would be terrific for Nepal. And wouldn't a successful and outspoken "madhise," especially one who can write well, be able to do a lot towards educating people about racist attitudes? As Paschim said, let's not have a cookie-cutter approach. That includes a cookie-cutter approach to notions of how one can do good for Nepal. |
| wondering | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 02:17 PM
I did not know Oregan has that many madhises. |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 02:33 PM
Very true indeed sally, it would be sooooo terrific for nepal if every nepali stayed and worked in different places and institutions in US.....it really would be terrific for NEPALIS LIving IN US right? :) and I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST TOO :)..mmm...don't tell me you are indeed a follower of buddha (now i mean all this in lighter terms)..we should all leave nepal and work in US ;) then it would be absolutely terrific ;) like i said, its personal preference and it jus bothered me a lot, our very own patriotic sajha star has a dream of running for Congress of Oregon, instead of his own home, which he really seems to take it personally!! that's all..i am not trying to dictate who should do what in their personal life ;) LIKE I CARE!! ;) no hard feelings, JUST A THOUGHT!! |
| sally | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 02:44 PM
oys_chill, I can't speak for Paramendra, but I my own point was not that a Nepali in Congress would be good because it would be good for Nepalis in the US. Sure, I guess it would be, but speaking entirely theoretically (since I don't even know if our theoretical sajhoid Congressman is a US citizen), wouldn't it be useful to have a Nepali on the Foreign Affairs Committee? Dealing with USAID? The World Bank? And so on and so forth. What happens in the US Congress does effect Nepal. And of course Nepalis who choose to stay and work in the US do help Nepalis in Nepal, mainly through the remittance economy, but also (if they're civic-minded) through donations. For instance, lots of people have been giving $$$ lately for flood relief. I agree that brain drain is a problem. But it's not an all-or-nothing issue, as if the only way to help Nepal is to go to Nepal. That's all I meant. |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 06:45 PM
OysChill: everything in life is only getting worse . You are wrong. Everything is getting even, very well distributed, i.e. uniformly distributed. The "disorder" is confusing, and it should intreprated as probability is moving towards equal chances. Well, for clever peoples, the 2nd law is disasterous, because they can get more advantage whenthings are SEPARATE SEPARATE, not mixed, by exploiting the things in SEGREGATION. So, for an electronics engineer things are getting tougher because common peoples no better electronics today compared to '80, because they can hook to internet get information, and they don't have to hire Electronic engineer to fix a knub in cassette player, and software engineer will not be hired to fix a problem of computer virus, and I remember how much I suffered when I got first time the stone virus in 1989, I had to rush to computer center and consult a softwareGuru. ... Today, we are in high entropy, thus, the engineer of 1945 who went to grave in 1964 (2nd ? generation main frame time) if comes back to world, how much will he worth? Probably, he can not be hero just by telling us that information are stored in binary mode (root level information) .... So, if you find this very much mixed, and chances of happening is equal, you should find new issue, (through non-spontanous private events). Similarly, Ashu and Pramendra keep on reading the things in different websites, different books, different mazazine to newspaper or by associating with unique peoples whom we don't know, and therefore, they are famous, and they are appreciated. Well, if they just keep on hooking with Sajhatians, no where else, one day, what Pramendra or Ashu know, we all Sajhatians know, i.e. a Chaotic situation for Pramendra, and they are no different from average Sajhatians. So, Pramendra and Ashu bring issues that usually don't have intersection, so we can neither say to Pramendra "Get out of Sajha, because we have Ashu" nor to Ashu "Hey, you go out of my sight, we don't need you because we have now Pramendra". Well, if Ashu and Pramendra bring the same topic, same contents, then, we don't need one of them. Thus, having same knowledge by Ashu and Pramendra is disasterous to them, but, for we Sajhatians we have more chances of getting information, because when Ashu is busy, Pramendra will be delivering the information, or vice versa. In this sense, we can compare Pramendra and Ashu, only if they have same contents. Otherwise, we can not compare apple and oranges, those who have habits of having mixed juices, will surely compare apple and orranges in the perspective of mixed juice. Poor peoples who can not buy apple and orange separately, will buy mixed juice (chaotic juice) and say ..... they don't apple, if they have oranges . . . . . ... 2nd law of thermo dynamics is good for common peoples who don'T unique features. Communism has highest entropy in the perspective of common people, where every one has same probability of having salary, food, ..... The room and cooking pan have same temperature, thus, can you cook an egg out of such Pan? Capitalism does allow you to cook egg, because it allows you to have hot pan and cold room. Talents with lot of information cook the egg and let us common people eat it, and Ashu and Pramendra are providing us different foods. So, both are important based on our interests. The void if created by an absence of one will not be patched completely by another presence. So, lets weigh they based on the topic we discuss. Sorry to be long. HG HG |
| oys_chill | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 07:21 PM
hahagooru, oops now i realize its GURU JI :) sorry i misinterpreted your ENTROPY...but as far as I AM CONCERNED.....Entropy of my life stands tall.......forget paramendra and ashu ji.....they are stars, well to be..The more we praise them, it is less; the more we slander them, jus assume its plain jealousy ;) okies going back to entropy.......perhaps i didn't take it through scientific perspective.....the fascination entropy for me is not in scientific terms either.....its plainly psychological should i say. The first time I read bout entropy was in a literary article on how it said, any given drop of water could bounce off in any direction..similarly, complexities only increases, things don't get simpler....like the painted walls get wasted over time, iron rusts over time, they don't get better.....that was my understanding of MY ENTROPY!! and like it said, disorder is increasing in the universe, how can things get uniformly distributed..perhaps they can, my point was they getting worse ;) oks forget the scientific crap! lemme me give you an real life example ali bacha ma huda ni guru ji, people used to tell me THINGS ARE GONNA BE FINE ONCE YOU GROW UP......when i used to whine..same things were told to me.....the further life went on, the more complex it got, so when i remember those times of whining, i see those times as most perfect and UNIFORMLY DISTRIBUTED LIKE YOU SAY ;) well, now as i see it, everyday life is only getting worse......so that was my understanding of MY ENTROPY ;) sorry for twisting around yor TRUE ENTROPY We all have our understanding of things from our perspectives ni hoina guru ji, this is my understanding, and what you understand about my understanding of entropy is from your perspective only ;) now is that complex, is that entropy too LOL... I really enjoyed talking bout entropy at this phase i am going through ;) thanx for shedding in TRUE LIGHT outta here ;) same ol "not so witty" oys |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 08:01 PM
This is just for everyone. I am terribly intimidated by long posts without paragraph breaks and white spaces. I know I do it myself sometime, but when others do it just the density of the text is enough to frieghten me away. It might be too impertinent to ask folks to use bullets or hearding to make it easier for readers, but can you guys create more white spaces please....................................... |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 08:27 PM
To ANepaliKT, in 1994, when Yahoo started search engine, the Nepali sites by Raj. Shrestha of Clark Univ. was in Top 5 rating. It was easily readable, searchable. Today, when I use Google, I get such infinite information, I lost my interest in the Information world. Still, I can not avoid it, I wish there is another way to minimize the sorting of information when the information providers don't have enough resources to match my interest. I am one of those long, without paragraph break, and poor grammars .... So, I have to admit that I don't resources to make it match to make readers life easier. I feel very sorry for the situation. Regret it. I even don't want to make false promise that I will try my best (well, you can call me hypocrite). No flattering, by false promises. HG |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:05 PM
[VIEWED 806 TIMES] Oops! I did not realize this thread will catch fire like this. Is Ashu to be blamed! The thread really (still) on fire is "Famous Sajhaites - Gaijatra Nick Names!!!!" with 210 posts and counting .......... I think the only way Ashu and I differ here from other Sajhaites is we use our real names here. And hence we bump into people we have known offline, and then the friends' friends. I guess we have a little more faith in the online world. If you were to meet me at the Nepali convention, you will "see" me, and if we were to talk, you would know my name. You might forget it right away, but the "aupacharikta" begins with, "Hi, I am ...." I guess the site is not just about issues and topics. Individuals seem to become of interest. And that curiosity is thwarted by the culture of "usernames," not that I have anything against it: to each his or her own. My current observation: Sajha is a flourishing online community. I wish more people came here with their "real" identities. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:15 PM
If you were to modify this site, what would you do? My take on the hypothetical situation: (1) Traffic. Hits. Work to enlarge traffic. I think this is currently the number one Nepali online community. But the traffic definitely can be larger. It gets what 600-700 visitors per day. Out of close to 100,000 Nepalis in the US! I see a gap right there. Since the site is not exactly a business, I think an army of e-volunteers ought to start an e-mail campaign to spread the word. Send an e-mail to everyone you know inviting them to the site. I bet the traffic could be doubled or tripled or more just like that. (2) The search and archive functions. They are great as it is. But I hope they are continuously improved. (3) I don't know exactly how this site is run, fund-wise, but I guess it is GBNC that does it. But I hope there is an attempt to try to cash on the site's popularity by generating revenues. I would rather have a commercial site that stays on and on than a non-profit site that comes down in a few years. (4) Keep eyes/ears open. Listen to users' comments. Improve all the time. Keep the learning curve steep. What would you suggest, readers? |
| ashu | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:41 PM
Paramendra, I guess whoever started this thread (and that was NOT me!) wanted a little harmless fun. But now, this has ballooned into something completely different, perhaps much to the shock of James Bonds, the originator. Still, from what I see, you are handling this very well, and you obviously have much support here, not only from me from others too, and that's what really counts. On a larger note, you know quite well that no matter what you do and say, some Nepalis out there will always -- anonymously, of course -- be gunning for you, always be looking for opportunities to pull you down, always be pooh-poohing your efforts, always be spreading rumors about you, making up stories about you, and all that. You know what, those folks deserve NOT a rational debate but pity and sympathy. I mean, look at them: Having nothing of their own, those folks can only define their dreary selves in terms of more successful/interesting/risk-taking Nepalis, and that's their life. A case in point is: Lalupatay Joban. Regardless of who LJ is, the only thing memorable about LJ is what he had to say -- that too, pretty craftily -- about Paramendra. This means, LJ defines himself, at least on sajha, in terms of Paramendra. This further means, while Paramendra goes about living his life with all its ups and downs, LJ is reduced to mere FOLLOWING of and gossiping about Paramendra's life. This is interesting because despite LJ's hopelessly off-base pronounements about "pregnant superhit" and all that stuff , it's not hard to see, at least in this case, who's the leader and who's the follower. So much for taking LJ seriously!! Besides, if I remember correcly, Paramendra is not even 30 years of age, and therefore has his whole life ahead of him. ********** Uumm, Paschim, how can I get in touch with that "potential father-in-law from Dilli Bazaar impatiently waiting for his . . . jwain to whisk away his virgin chhori out of PK"? I'd appeciate leads and pointers. I am a not a Daaktar, but, as my hiking friends can attest, I can give pretty good massage. A happy Krishna Astami everyone. Today's a holiday in Nepal. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| ashu | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:44 PM
Paramendra, I guess whoever started this thread (and that was NOT me!) wanted a little harmless fun. But now, this has ballooned into something completely different, perhaps much to the shock of James Bonds, the originator. Still, from what I see, you are handling this very well, and you obviously have much support here, not only from me from others too, and that's what really counts. On a larger note, you know quite well that no matter what you do and say, some Nepalis out there will always -- anonymously, of course -- be gunning for you, always be looking for opportunities to pull you down, always be pooh-poohing your efforts, always be spreading rumors about you, making up stories about you, and all that. You know what, those folks deserve NOT a rational debate but pity and sympathy. I mean, look at them: Having nothing of their own, those folks can only define their dreary selves in terms of more successful/interesting/risk-taking Nepalis, and that's their life. A case in point is: Lalupatay Joban. Regardless of who LJ is, the only thing memorable about LJ is what he had to say -- that too, pretty craftily -- about Paramendra. This means, LJ defines himself, at least on sajha, in terms of Paramendra. This further means, while Paramendra goes about living his life with all its ups and downs, LJ is reduced to mere FOLLOWING of and gossiping about Paramendra's life. This is interesting because despite LJ's hopelessly off-base pronounements about "pregnant superhit" and all that stuff , it's not hard to see, at least in this case, who's the leader and who's the follower. So much for taking LJ seriously!! Besides, if I remember correcly, Paramendra is not even 30 years of age, and therefore has his whole life ahead of him. ********** Uumm, Paschim, how can I get in touch with that "potential father-in-law from Dilli Bazaar impatiently waiting for his . . . jwain to whisk away his virgin chhori out of PK"? I'd appeciate leads and pointers. I am a not a Daaktar, but, as my hiking friends can attest, I can give pretty good massage. A happy Krishna Astami everyone. Today's a holiday in Nepal. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Aug-02 09:47 PM
Ashu: "Uumm, Paschim, how can I get in touch with that "potential father-in-law from Dilli Bazaar impatiently waiting for his . . . jwain to whisk away his virgin chhori out of PK"?" You guys need to help each other out! ;-) |
| Lalupate*Joban | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 03:57 AM
Dear all, I had been travelling for the last 24 hours or so. And I come back tired, open my computer, and what do I see? An unforeseen aandhi. My lack of foresight or people's overreaction? Probably, a mixture of both. My posting about Paramendra seems to have created quite an uproar. Honestly, my friends, that was not the intention. I thought the posting had a pretty light touch (I mostly avoided the details and mapped out a short biographical sketch of Paramendra to minimize possible allegations of Paramendra's personal vilification). The light touch would be sufficiently conveyed even without the inclusion of any smileys, or so I thought. My gross error of judgement. I am humbled. Certain people choose to become public figures in sajha.com. Somebody starts a whole thread in their names, and that posting elicits interesting messages, some from those public figures themselves. At a period when I am experimenting with biographical writing, a topic whose "issue" consists of two persons gets me thinking, *okay, why not give a short, rather complimentary, biographical sketch of one of these two a shot? Mostly shirking from the controversial details.* I add a brief, skeletal sketch of one of the two hastis in whose name the topic has started. A sketch with melodramatic overtones. With subjective interpretation of true happenings. The fallout: Hare daiba ko bidambana, dadu ko pani maa aandhi po ayechha! No, Ashu, I do not define myself in the context of Paramendra; let's not jump to conclusions too fast. However, it should have been quite evident from the posting itself that I am Paramendra's well-wisher; my impression of Paramendra is of a man whose achievements have not matched his impressive potentials. A man who could have scaled great heights but, unluckily for mankind, probably lost track somewhere along the way. Bato birayeko Yatri. That's my personal impression; I may be wrong. In a thread that, by its very nature, solicited subjective impressions of the two characters, I listed mine, shirking from petty uncomplimentary details and projecting a mere outline, as Paramendra himself noted in response to my posting. My go at producing a subjective impression in a; it seems some feathers have been ruffled in the process. Had a similar thing been written about a public personality like Bam Dev Gautam or Pradip Giri, it would not have been a big deal. When it is written about a public personality of sajha.com, it becomes a big deal. Ironies, u rule! My sincere apologies to anybody who has been offended; never mind that it was unintentional. Given the unintended effect, I would have absolutely no objection if that posting is removed. Muckraking has never been, is not, and will never be, of interest to me. I just thought of presenting my impression - i repeat, my impression - of the broad - i repeat, broad - trajectory of a sajha public personality's - i repeat sajha public personality's - life in a lighter note, with a creative sheen. The attempt, as it is here for all to see, has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. And I am humbled. As a firm believer in democracy, I respect the jana adaalat's verdict. May everybody rest in peace. |
| Lalupate*Joban | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 04:45 AM
*I mean, look at them: Having nothing of their own, those folks can only define their dreary selves in terms of more successful/interesting/risk-taking Nepalis, and that's their life. * LOL to that. A hearty, raucous laughter, Ashu. I can see you using Paramendra as a shikhandi to manifest yourself as the epitome of "more successful/interesting/risk-taking Nepalis." It shows. Inflated ego. Your braggadocio. You see a well-intentioned, although probably badly crafted, posting from me - and you conclude "having nothing of ...own, ...can define dreary selves in terms of...and that's their life." Ramble, Ashu, ramble. Nanglo thatayera hatti tarsane wala chhaina. (My use of this ukhan here might sound egotistical to some, but this is only in response to Ashu Tiwari, who thinks that, with his dibya drishti, he can label any person any thing. Yes, Ashu Tiwari - the self-designated thought police of sajha.com! Yes, Ashu Tiwari - that braggart who thinks he is the chosen one to excoriate anybody he deems a lesser mortal than himself in the vilest way possible.) Well Ashu Tiwari, my main theater of operation, unlike yours, happens to be something other than sajha.com. I come here once in a blue moon to read about and dabble in subjects regarding people or issues of interest to me. Yes, Paramendra is of interest to me because of a certain past association, a common bond. I hold Paramendra in high regard (it's an altogether different thing that my well-intentioned commentary on Paramendra backfired). My esteem for Paramendra, however, does not mean that I define myself in terms of Paramendra. Yadi "success/interest generation/risk-taking" ra aru timile ganna sakne bhayebharka sahashtra virtue haruko baremaa pratispardhaa garnanai timilai man lageko ho bhane kunai din garaunla, cyberland maa ke judhai bhayo ra! Samaya ko pratikshya gara, mitra. Timi lai ghurki nai bhayo ta. Aba ke bhanne aru. Hya, eutaa pug-napug 500 word ko posting ko basis maa sweeping generalization, to the extent of terming somebody "dreary selves"! Euta pseudo-intellectual ko yatro garjan! |
| ashu | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 05:33 AM
LJ, Whoever you are, you are welcome to make fun of me. That's fine, and that's because my sense of self does NOT come from what you think of me. But in the interest of holding a mirror to your anonymous face, kindly allow me to quote your own words (part II) back to you. ---------------- "My gross error of judgement. I am humbled." "That's my personal impression; I may be wrong." "My sincere apologies to anybody who has been offended." "Given the unintended effect, I would have absolutely no objection if that posting is removed. " "The attempt, as it is here for all to see, has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. And I am humbled." "As a firm believer in democracy, I respect the jana adaalat's verdict." ------------------------- Now look, I accept that you don't have the balls to reveal your identity. But if you have the balls or the integrity to stand by what you have posted (and I have quoted) just above, then you would have the humility to at least grudgingly accept or quietly tolerate my (and others') earlier comments in the context of your so-called "respect [for] the jana adaalat's verdict." But reading your third posting, it's clear that you are just a coward whose own words -- "respect [for] the jana adaalat's verdict" -- mean NOTHING to himself. On a larger note, to twist the words of the lawyer Dick Goodwin (played by Rob Morrow) in the movie "Quiz Show": You cannot claim to have created "an unmitigated disaster" on one hand and then, on the other hand, go on to sneakily attack others for chiding you for creating that disaster in the first place. Enjoy the movie, LJ. Directed y Robert Redford, it's a great parable on deleterious effects of subverted truth -- the kind of which you are, as seen in this particular context of your own words, a master of employing, as though the rest of us are fools who won't notice your jarring contradictions. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Lalupate*Joban | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 06:37 AM
Paramendra, ANEPALIKT, Bideshi, James Bond, Paschim, You guys seem to have misunderstood the intent behind my postings of PB's sketchy hyper-short biography. But I guess my own inability to convey the nuances of my intent is to be blamed for that. Malice and the intent of maligning Paramendra were clearly out of the agenda when I was writing it. The subtext of the rather jocular posting was supposed to be something like, "if destiny had not cheated Paramendra, Paramendra, a chillo pat at adolescence, would have probably possessed far more formidable a reputation/clout than he does as a sajhaite and epinions writer. Let's say, if he had made to University of Chicago for example..." Intellectual environment and clout do matter in the growth of a pratibhaa, or at least that is my take. Paschim, you go on length about conventional wisdom etc. etc. But honestly, mitra, all that gloating about ur bahaduri in taking economics years ago was was beside the point, or would have been beside the point if only my writing had been effective enough. I was not implying that his joining politics ruined him. I was just implying that had his course remained as bright in his adulthood as in . I was just trying to say "Kaash, agar aisha hotaa..." in a good-humored way! And Paschim, clout does matter; the strength of university/one's own rank etc. does matter in everyday world; wouldn't you agree? Had he been a Harvard product like you and been talking of social/racial issues, people who hurl slurs against him would probably not have Now, one might question: why are you so keen on what Paramendra should have done etc. instead of doing ur stuff? Well, the thread itself was about Paramendra and Ashu, u know. And I was being only judgemental in a good-humored way; "trying to be judgemental in a good-humored way" would be a better expression, I guess. Nonetheless, it was an unmitigated disaster. When a writer's tone in his/her writing is misunderstood, that, my friends is the ultimate disaster. PostScript: Paschim, that supposed-to-be-juicy-quote should have vexed you to the extent of going at length to talk about your - hold your breath - AITIHASIK decision to take arthashastra and all that, but hey, that quote was not a fabricated quote. As a relevant quote, that was thrown in, as your achievements are general knowledge to many of the Sajhaites - after timro tyatro trumpeting of your achievements in this forum, dherai lai Paschim ko accomplishment ko baremaa gyan ta hune nai bho ni, ki kaso? ;) now, take that with a pinch of salt, will you? - and you would serve as a suitable reference point against PB's course, and the quote had it in a nutshell. Nepalikt, nah baba nah, no matter how much you coax me to follow Paschim's footsteps, I won't. Anyways, guys, points taken. And apologies for having unintentionally given rise to an aandhibehri here. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 06:45 AM
Paramendra ji.... Hence the thread "Cyber Utopian Nepal, REALITY CHECK"?. You have visions for Nepal and Nepalis but aspirations for the US... You said let us not go "back" only "forward". I do applaud your tenacious cyber visions for our poverty-ridden, the discriminated and the corrupt. You call it talking at a global level and I called it "cyber" level. Mind you I have nothing against hopes and aspirations..as always, I am curious about motives, purposes and passions on fighting a cyber social war from a cyber country for a real country and its real issues. When....I hear "real people", politicians, policymakers..... "talk" about changing the public school situations...those of us who work within the system, are quite impressed at the "changes" that "can"..."could"..."would" be made IF ONLY........... I do wish you luck in all your endeavors....but here is something; Racism is a black mans woe as well as his weapon..... Now you can apply it in castism, sexism... as well as in anything else. Well, here at least you will not be discriminated as a "madhesi" ....I suppose it is better being lumped as an alien. So, think about it, you may have a bigger cyber war to fight in Cyber space US....a fight against terrorism and racism. But you already have a weapon....the "blackman's woe"!!! As for Lalupate ji(bhro)? There is something to be said about critical thought versus pure malice....seems you do not have the mental and intellectual capacity to differentiate between the two.......!!! And oh I hope you learned something .... not everyone enjoys feeding on crap!!!!! |
| suna | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 06:51 AM
Please indulge me Lalupate Joban - about Paschim's achievements. :) I have been a pretty active reader on this forum for quite some time now and have not seen Paschim beating his own drum. Therefore, this request is pretty sincere. I'm shocked he also went to hahahavad and does not talk about it so much! Hurkey ko baas sadhai dhalkeko huncha..... (nabujney lai ....(sorry I forgot):) |
| Digital | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 08:19 AM
Uff, Parmendra still here? I thought went to carry Tripathi's bag. |
| Whats waht | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 09:12 AM
this is a funny thread..ha ha. I don't don't if that was intended but ha ha ha . man ppl have waay too much time in their hand. Who are these two jokers anyway ? |
| ashu | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 12:13 PM
Thanks LJ for your apologies. The idea behind offering apologies is that you make a straightforward offering and move on, and not struggle to still justify -- lamely - your own role in self-declared "unmitigated disaster." I don't know what you do, or what you studied, but, given your conventionally narrow view about success, I think you could benefit by keeping up with some of the path-breaking research findings that are coming out of social psychology departments. If you have the time, I especially recommend Yale's Robert Sternberg's papers on success, intelligence and achievements, not to mention Daniel Goleman's books and articles. Here's a short article I have especially copied and posted for your reading pleasure. And oh, don't forget that movie -- Quiz Show -- too. A final parting note: Success, howsoever one defines it, is achieved by one's own efforts, and the definition of success varies from person to person depending on that individual values, priorities and interests. Enjoy, oohi ashu ktm,nepal ****************************************************** Hitchhiker's Guide to Success Psychologist Gilbert explores the workings of our emotional 'immune system' By Alvin Powell Contributing Writer Live according to your hopes, not your fears. That's sound advice for just about anyone, but it's also a scientific conclusion being borne out by research conducted by Psychology Professor Daniel Gilbert. Gilbert, a high school dropout who left his guitar-playing, short- story-writing lifestyle in the late 1970s to get a GED and go to college, may be something of a poster child for his own research. Gilbert has lived according to his own hopes. He took off from his Illinois home at age 16 to travel the country. He has since made up for time -- lost or otherwise -- by attending the University of Colorado and then earning a Ph.D. from Princeton University. He launched his teaching career at the University of Texas in 1985 and came to Harvard three years ago. Gilbert, who heads the Psychology Department's program in social psychology, is focusing his current research on affective forecasting, or how people predict how they'll feel in response to future events. It may sound esoteric, but the principle is used by each of us every time we make a decision. Whether the decision is a big one, like whether to take a new job or buy a house, or a small one, like whether to skip a class or go to a movie, the choice is made at least partly according to how we predict the different outcomes will make us feel. Gilbert has found that we tend to overemphasize how a negative outcome will affect us, predicting that losing a job, for example, will have deep and long-lasting negative effects. In actuality, Gilbert is seeing that people are much more resilient than they give themselves credit for. People have an efficient emotional "immune system," as Gilbert terms it, that protects us, allowing us to rationalize away defeat and get on with the business of living. From a practical standpoint, Gilbert said his research could convince people to strive for what they really want in life, knowing that they can be happy whether or not they get it. "It might encourage more of us to take more risks, to act on hope rather than fear," Gilbert said. "I think the short message for folks in the trenches is that most of us have more psychological resources, more psychological resilience, than we realize." An experimental social psychologist, Gilbert devises experiments to test aspects of his theories. One was designed to test students' abilities to rationalize not getting a desirable job. They were told their job interview was being watched by either a single person, who had sole hiring discretion, or a panel of people, which had to vote unanimously if the student was not to be hired. Though students predicted they'd be similarly disappointed in each case, they were far more disturbed when rejected by the panel, because then it was hard to rationalize that the rejection was because of an individual's whim, Gilbert said. Gilbert's meandering road to Harvard illustrates a bit of his own psychological resilience. He has navigated the twists and turns of life with the help of a sense of humor and a friendly personality. "Daniel is a great colleague. He's an extremely bright, utterly charming, totally affable fellow with a great sense of humor," said Psychology Professor Richard McNally. Traveling the Country Gilbert grew up in Evanston, Ill. His father was a biology professor at Northwestern University and his mother an actress, writer, and poet. Gilbert said he doesn't recall an early fascination with psychology. His early fascination was with the road. In 1972, long-haired and 16 years old, Gilbert left home to travel the country. After a couple of years of moving around, playing music, and reading philosophy, Gilbert married, had a child, and settled in Colorado. Gilbert had been writing science fiction during his travels, and in Colorado his budding career bloomed. His short stories were published in science fiction magazines such as Amazing Stories. Visitors to his William James Hall office can't miss the large painting of two men in spacesuits walking on an alien world -- a scene from one of his stories. After a while, Gilbert began to look for ways to add more life and realism to his characters and took a psychology course at a local community college. That course led to another, and another, and eventually to a bachelor's degree in psychology from the University of Colorado in 1981. From there, Gilbert entered Princeton University, gaining a Ph.D. in social psychology in 1985. "I don't know if I'm the only Harvard professor without a high school diploma, but I bet there aren't more than a few," Gilbert said. Gilbert took a job at the University of Texas as an assistant professor in 1985. He stayed there for 11 years, being promoted to associate and then full professor. In 1996, he came to Harvard as a professor and chair of the Social Psychology Program. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 02:44 PM
"I don't know if I'm the only Harvard professor without a high school diploma, but I bet there aren't more than a few," Gilbert said. I don't take offense at Lalupate*Joban's comments. Actually the first time I read his piece, the part that caught my eyes the most was his quoting a line from my poem which he says got published in Madhuparka. Actually it was in Kavita, the Royal Nepal Academy magazine, when I was in Class 10. He could not have got that information from a book or article. I am nobody. There are no books on me. And I don't think he heard such a small detail from someone else. That made me think Lalupate*Joban probably went to school with me, was a classmate perhaps, perhaps lived in my dormitory at one time or another. The only way he could have remembered that line is if he read it himself. He must have read it off the notice board when it got posted. Which leads me to surmise. I am perfectly okay with people having usernames. As in their real identity will neve be known. I am fine with that. And I have defended freedom of speech at the site even for racists/ethnicists. Lalupate*Joban just is not that. It is just that people ought to keep talking. Back and forth, and back and forth. I still don't know who Lalypate*Joban is, and I don't need to know. It is just that if he is someone I know well offline, and if he keeps to his screenname, it will be surreal to meet him next time I do. He will know what's happening, I won't. And that is okay. This is probably the first time someone attempted a biography of me! ;-) (1) I am at Sajha with my real identity and name. And I engage in very public discussions on very public issues. And I have my share of readers here. It is just that I had not connected the dots to admit that makes me a "public figure" of sorts here. He did. I don't have to agree or disagree. It is just that I no longer feel I will only get to talk issues. I am at peace with talk of personalities. Preferably other people's! :-) (2) I was just filling the gaps for Lalupate*Joban. For example, Paschim's comment that what I did between high school and college was a matter of choice, like Ashu's going to Dang from Harvard --- that is supremely suspicious. I applied to colleges every year. I was too young to be running for anything. My political career was by default. As my literary career. (3) Personally I don't want to dwell on the disadvantages that have come with my background. And I am aware of my personal advantages as well. I know too many people in my homevillage, for example, who were not necessarily less smart, but they just did not get the breaks I did. But it is very important to me that the roadblocks I have overcome not get counted out from stories for simplistic versions. For those who will come after me. I owe them indignation. I might devote the rest of my life to writing: who knows. And for that all you need is some glue to stick your butt to the chair. So I guess I am on my way. Summary: I think this online community owes it to itself to protect every person's freedom of speech. And to go beyond and refrain from getting into personal attacks. If possible. Most important: let's not learn the wrong lessons from supposed mishaps, and let's keep talking. |
| Lalupate*Joban | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 03:26 PM
Ashu, I was just clarifying some misunderstood notions of my posting about Paramendra. When one is misunderstood, it behooves the person to clarify more or less. That's all. And that apology was to the jan adaalat as a whole for my having broached a couple of not-too-specific biographical data of somebody (although it was without any malicious intention and just for the sake of some dramatic flavor), not to you as such. The statements that I made specifically in response to you in an earlier posting stand as they are. And last but not least, mitra, let's do away with that beaten-to-death "not use of real name in the net = cowardice formula". In a secret ballot, if one wants to vote openly, it's okay; but if one wants to use the privilege of secret ballot, one does not become a coward. Internet offers an even greater privilege in that. Some prefer anonymity by their very nature, and internet, being the most suitable place for anonymity, why should one not use anonymity there if that person wants to? If somebody wants to use. See, I - unlike Paramendra, Ashu etc. - want to maintain a clear distinction between my net-personality and real-life personality. Well, people may say with respect to my posting about Paramendra that malicious remarks made without revealing one's identity tend to reek of cowardice; while the point would not be invalid if malice had been the driving force, it was not. I know it was not, and if anybody still thinks it was malice-driven, I don't give a damn. Ashu, keep that guide to success to yourself yaar, mitra. Maile bhani halen ni, success aadi etyaadi ko baremaa kunai din pratispardha garna man lagekai bhaye garaunla timisanga - swachha pratispardha kya. Not with daggers and all, u know. :) Suna, there are various threads in which Paschim has done so. If u are really intent on finding it out, check that out urself. I don't have the time to go over all those threads once again. I have already wasted much time coming responding to the aandhi. Sitara, my posting, I repeat, was not inspired by malice at all. It was simply a good faith attempt at a vague portrayal of somebody in a kind of humorous way gone wrong due to the lack of my sufficient writing capabilities. U don't have to brush ur pamper ur own ego by comments like LJ does not have the intellectual ability..." and all. I know very well what my intellectual capabilities are, and I don't feel the need to prove any damn thing about my intellectual capabilities in a cyberland. I have used Sajha only once in a blue moon, that also just as a place for banter; I exercise and whet my intellectual faculties elsewhere. Hya, all that self-righteous dhyangro from the likes of Sitara. Pooh! Sitara, you do not have to resort to name-twisting, especially after trying to be a friggin' Chitragupta and passing judgement on me. U know, by that logic, if one were to really resort to name-twisting, Sitara can become "Si, turi..." and much else [smell malice here, buddy? (lol)] . Je bhaye pani, aru further comments haru ko barema respond garne time chhaina. A lot of cyber egos floating in here at this place, and jostling for attention, kunai comment aayo ki tanchhnd machhad garera afno cyber-existence prove garnai parne obsession develop gareka rahechhan yo mayabi cyberland kaa kehi basinda harule. Cyberland ka swollen and bruised ego haru sanga kati matrai kabaddi khelnu yaar. Bhani halen ni. Okay, thita thiti haru, smile at my exit and... give urself a pat on your back, nursing your illusions that your MIGHTY posting was the one that prompted my exit. :) Sitara darling, think of it, the beauty of it; your cyber-ego will go up a notch, u know! And some people might want to go on rambling against my posting even after I leave; yeah itara and her ilk, that will boost your vanity too, as you see that your posting has gone unchallenged. Never mind that I was about to end my very brief honeymoon with sajha at the end of this week anyways, because of opportunity cost of time. No more postings from me here. Bhani halen ni, kasai sanga intellectual sparring garnu nai chha bhane conference table ma, ya kathmandu ka hotel ka table haruma, ya tundikhel ko jan manch ka speech haru bata, ya publications haru marfat garaunla la. The internet is not my preferred medium of intellectual debates. I find internet discussion sites good only for cameos and light stuff. That's a personal taste. Peace. |
| deep | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 03:50 PM
Lalupate Joban (kasto kaidako nam), Aauna ko hatar na jaana ko hatar! Tu. jaane bichar re chha te feri kina aako? Basam na ke hatar? dui char kuro bhanyo dui char kuro sunyo. maja tyahi ta ho ni. Basam ke, najam ahile. Bharkhar ta sajha ma khal jamdai chha. Sajhalai "laltin bazar" jasto nagarm na. Man lagya bela ma chhiryo..... chhodna painchha ni sajha lai...tara ghurki dekhako jasto garera kina chhadne? sakena gayo bhanlan. Mauka kina dini bhanyani! heavy stuff ma yastai bho, aba ram ramailo...post garnus na Laloopate joban, ji. hai. |
| Lalupate*Joban | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 04:08 PM
Paramendra, I was about to leave sajha.com for good when I saw Paramendra's posting. So, I thought that I would respond briefly to your recent posting before leaving sajha for good. So, make my last posting the penultimate one. And let this posting be my swansong to sajha. Yeah, you got it right, buddy. It's good to know that the protagonist of the light and rathe vague biographical sketch knows that it was not a malice-driven commentary, but quite on the contrary. In fact, I was thinking that some of your avowed critics might even go to the extent of jumping to the conclusion that you had attempted a Nehru-like biographical (remember, Nehruji's famous anonymous and rather self-detached autobiographical sketch that appeared in a prominent Indian daily in the 1930s - probably it was in"The Statesman," or something like that - which was later used as an intro in his autobiography.) You know, had that been the case, it would have been a compliment to my writing style, but on the contrary, see what an "unmitigated disaster" it has been. [Yes, an "unmitigated disaster," in the sense that people got exactly the opposite impression from the posting than was intended. Ashu, if a writing is an "unmitigated disaster," that does not mean that one who degrades the writer as a "dreary self" is vindicated. While an "unmitigated disaster" in this case does connote utter failure to get the tenor and nuances across to the reader, your censure was a plain ill-humored, polemical, self-serving censure. U have a tendency of resorting to bitter personal remarks, directed at the person, not the writing. Like Gary Kasparov's tendency to use imperious gestures as pressure tactics (thumping the clock very hard, after making a move and all that to intimidate his freshly minted opponents in a match), and it amuses me immensely when you seek to present yourself as this high-browed intellectual. but still you can't desist from getting personal (even if you do not have a friggin' clue whom u are addressing ur rich-in-polemics-but-otherwise-pretty much nothing remarks to). Titra ko mukhai bairi.] Paramendra, regarding the line from Kavita or Madhuparka, memories blur, u know, after more than a decade or so. Anyways, it does not matter who I am, buddy. I hope you will be a productive celebrity not far away into the future. Not only productive. Not only celebrity. A productive celebrity. Yati bhandai mero sajha.com test match ko last over yahin bisauna chahanchhu. For once and for all. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 04:19 PM
Dear Lalupate ji; I have to appologize because...when I posted my postings (then left for work), you had not written your appologies...really. So, I assume we had posted our postings at the same time. Had I read your oppologies, I would not have referred to your "malicious" intent. I think whether you justified it or not....does not matter. The fact that you DID appologize does!!!! As for self-righteousness... perhaps, it does come across as such now that my posting came after yours. I personally feel that you are very gracious to acknowledge the negative effect/s of your posting. And I feel appalled that now as I am reading that no one has cut you any slack. Oralo lageko mirgalai bacho ley pani khedcha!!! Again, the reference to intellectual or mental capacity was referred to the personal commentary of Paramendraji....not to the appology. As for playing around with my cyber name....go ahead, have fun with it. I don't have a cyber ego to defend nor a reputation to maintain.... :) And Paramendraji.....Bravo!!! you seemed to have learned a lot from the "Gaijatra" thread. Ashu ji....don't analyze Lalupate's appology....just accept it!!! No wonder people do not want to appologize, in cyber space. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 05:53 PM
Lalupate*Joban: If you are under time pressure and are leaving, that is another matter. But if it is your "bad experience" with this thread, I hope you change your mind. Or you could play a trick on the anonymity afforded here, sign up a new username, and continue to participate. There are second chances, not that you need to go for one, but if you feel like taking one. Just a suggestion. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 05:58 PM
[VIEWED 1184 TIMES] --------- Golley ........... In all fairness Ashu, now that the word is out, I think you need to post your brief bio here. Could be as simple as a timeline. I am left curious. When we met once, I was too busy eating pakoras to have really queried you. I mean, I know you went to St. Xaviers and to Harvard and I have read your many stated positions on many things. But fill up, please. |
| suna | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 06:47 PM
Lalupate joban I did not expect you to post Paschim's cv nor paramendra's poems. It was a satire to other people here who have gone on and on and on about this ivy league school and that. On another note, I wholeheartedly agree with your trying to distinguish between a net persona and a real-life persona. Cheerio! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 08:08 PM
Suna....Hear hear! |
| Hmmm... | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 08:32 PM
bkns vs. sxs- nepal wins |
| _BP | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 10:05 PM
This place is like quicksand...no one gets out. I think LJ has demonstrated that he can hold his own with elegant language rather than deteriorating into senselss diatribe. So I think he should be welcome into further discourse on Sajha. It seemed to me that there was palpable admiration in his comments about Paramendra. Plus it is always pleasant to read well-thought out defences of one's writings. I hope you don't stop on account of some people's displeasure of your recent writing. At least you apoligized. |
| ashu | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 10:39 PM
Lalupatay Joban, Like I said, your apology is accepted. That's all it matters here. My posting that made you attack me came BEFORE your apologies. This is a matter of fact. But thank you anyway for obviously going on to envy me (a named, identifiable person regardless of whether you like me or not) so much that you have to CONTINUE to hurl adjectives and pass judgements and then scamper off to take hide behind your anonymous persona. I'll let you to describe your own action by way of an English word or a phrase, starting with C. Lest this made you furious, I, NOT an intellectual, am happy to be quoting your own golden words back to you: "Muckraking has never been, is not, and will never be, of interest to me." As my writing teacher Sven Birkerts used to say: Clever, entertaining writing means nothing if there's no element of sincerity/truth holding it together. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| ashu | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 11:24 PM
Paramendra, The specific details of my life should be of no interest to anyone. But the BROAD OUTLINES should show that I am a human being who's had his ups and downs, who has his strengths and weaknesses, and who tries to maintain a sunny, honest and realistic perspectives on life in general. In my life I have made tons of mistakes, achieved tons of stuff to be proud of, done a few things I am really embarrassed about and even ashamed of, but always learnt tons of new things, helped people when they needed help, sought help from others when I needed help, made tons of friends and acquaintances, lost a few friends, pursued various intellectual, social and personal interests, motivated others to excel in whatever they are doing, enjoyed taking calculated risks about this and that with varying degrees of success, enjoyed hiking, camping, traveling and all those outdoorsy things. And basically through life ko various experiences and lessons, I guess have striven to be a better human being tomorrow than I was yesterday. The struggle -- in a good way -- goes on and on. Tehi ho, yaar. Jindagi bore cha Khana Napaya mor cha :-) oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| On Lulapate's Side | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 11:35 PM
Yo Ashu lai dikka lagdaina ki kya aafnu swor sunda sunda. Hami lai wakka dikka lagi sakyo, kati karauna sakya hola, ba. Mookh, aaunla thakena? |
| On Lalupate's Side | Posted
on 30-Aug-02 11:37 PM
hetteri, Lalupate lekhna khojya ta lulapate po bhayecha. |
| Biswo | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 01:11 AM
I think Lalupate's message wasn't racist/malicious. I am surprised that people here thought it was. I agree with _BP that this site is a quagmire, and extricating oneself out of this site is tough, and I hope Lalupate Joban would come back again and again to stimulate discussions here. I am not sure if there were any comments against Ashu too. After reading so many personal comments against Ashu in this site, Lalupate's comments didn't look like diatribe to me at all.I found platitudinous 'use your name' thing here too, but that thing long stopped to stimulate my interest too. There are some people who define success in one way, others define in other ways. Those who have alternative view of success should not ridicule those who have conventional view of success, because after all those with alternative views of success also don't want to be subjected to criticism for holding such views. I haven't read many of Paramendra's postings yet, but it is obvious that he is the person of unbounded ambition, and the person who has burning desire for achieving something that he thinks is going to be considered important, and path breaking. Success doesn't have short cut. Nor does it have defined prerequisites.Paramendra oviously needs to work hard, harder than he has probably imagined, to reach his goals, but I sincerely wish him best wishes. Here is a gentleman whose career has spanned the space uncomparable by a lot of others', who has high aims (US Congress) that sounds ridiculous to some, and who has outlandish ideas about system back home. I don't agree with Paramendra on all those Sadvabana stuffs, but that doesn't stop me from admiring him for speaking out loud.LJ's brief biography on his life back gave me some information about his past. Frankly, I wasn't interested in Paramendra's past, but this information from LJ was useful to understand the evolution of a brilliant boy into the angry young man. |
| Jaha_Biswo_Tyaha_Shanti | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 02:32 AM
Biwso, What a nice and peaceful comment...! Aru ta sabai Bajaune ra Jutaune, ani Machchine ra Ufrine haru matrai dherai dekhchhu yaha............. I hope that one day medical advancement will bring a nonprescribed CAPSULE for lowering the presure of Ego for REST of all also.............!!! |
| ashu | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 02:49 AM
Hi all, PLEASE do NOT read this if you are not interested. (Sure John Lennon sang, "give peace a chance". But In Nepal, because we AVOID honest confrontations and are so eager to get along with one another that we are -- let's face it -- all the more mired in nothing but jhagada whether with the Maoists or within political parties or even within families. I'd rather have honest confrontations and get things out in the open than rush for make-believe peace.) In the interest of honesty, I have to confess that the reason I went after Lalupatay Joban was to ENHANCE and INCREASE my own learning re: how to deal with people like him. And that's because in Nepal and among Nepali communities, I meet quite a few of these too-clever-for-their-own-good people. Allow me to explain. These people are articulate, smart, have an "aw-shucks" attitude and they try to get out of difficult situations (situations that they themselves created) by either making fun of their 'opponents' or by setting themselves up as being above it all, as it were. They apologize when the pressure gets tough, yes; but often their apologies are hollow and they themselves know it. They try to come across as self-confident individuals but their bluster/swagger soon falls like a house of cards. I, for one, am really interested in pinning such individuals to the wall -- metaphorically, of course -- and UNDERSTANDING what makes them tick. Here, I am NOT accusing LJ of anything here. Whether he thinks highly of me or lowly of me is his business, and I wish him well. . I just find it highly ironic and funny that for someone who made fun of Paramendra as not being able to rise above sajha and epinions and branded me someone having no more "a theater of operation" than sajha could be so easily trapped with his own words so much so that he has no option but to be more than eager to run away from sajha. Ironies galore, indeed, especially when Mr. Success gets slammed and checkmated by peole he considered to be Mr. Failures :-) Tetti ho. Hats off to Paramendra for being gracious about this whole thing. Too bad that the same cannot said about Mr. Prisoner of Success -- Lalupatay Joban. PS: The reason I recommended the movie Quiz Show was the tussel between two characters there --charming Charles Van Doren (played by Ralph Fiennes) and the drien lawyer Dick Goodwin (played by Rob Morrow) -- is well worth watching. To quote LJ's golden words again: "The internet is not my preferred medium of intellectual debates. I find internet discussion sites good only for cameos and light stuff." Assuming that to be true, please also take my thoughts as, well, nothing more than "light stuff". oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Darsak | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 03:01 AM
Who let the dogs out???? Controversy seems to work great on this country. Look at eminem! |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 09:20 AM
Modified version of Posting (URL): http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=6665#38313 This thread is stretching unnecessarily long because of the egos between the parties participating in the discussions. I had posted a posting in Mathematics thread. I am posting here again to TEACH you guys that "when, where why who how should you stop, becom more practical and acceptable to others". What "you people" lack is knowledge on TOLERANCE AND ERROR. Here is my PRABACHAN ON TOLERANCE AND ERROR.(Ver 2) Its true that we have different approaches to reach to our destination, just the way we can reach to Nepal From USA via Australia, Singapore and Nepal, and the other route is Goto England, Germany .... Nepal. I know you heard about CRITICAL PATH METHOD, you select the best method based on your available time (ERROR) and PURSE (TOLERANCE). If you have money, you will have private rented flight in supersonic plane and reach to KTM from NY in 4 hours. What is most important criteria in selecting an approach that suits your need? (a) Magnitude of Error ( b) Tolerance that you allow. So, you can buy a ticket in Malasian or Korean Airline or even Philipine airline in 600 dollars to move from LA to Tokyo, Pilipine, Singapore, Kualampur, Bangkok and Nepal. and if you have moderately thick purse, you will fly in Singapore Airline from LA to Singapore and Nepal. ... We ahve different approaches ... all have their own benefits and drawbacks. They are all measured interms of Error vs Tolerance. Well, if we discuss the Error again, we reach to Distribution and probabilities and Shannon's theorem ... and Entropy. Its like Sudarshan Chakra ... But, we have our best friend i.e. Tolerance when all errors are soaked by Tolerance limit, but, when its intolerable then, TOLERANCE is our ENEMY. Simple example, "LJ" joins Sajha.com, and starts posting articles in various topics. Some good and one of them very flamed. Then, he one day finds himself flamed, why? Because either because of his unavoidable errors (or deliberate errors, pseudo errors: errors in gray zones) distribution is extending beyond the tolerable limit, or "LJ" sets tolerable limit (knows his mistake: error) that is bigger than the tolerable limit in Sajha.com or to some selected peoples, thus, get flamed. So, he gradually learns and skips the methods/issues and try to adopt methods that makes his postings within accetable error (i.e. within allowable tolerance to some readers, e.g. BP and Biswo). So, Eorrr (depends on tool), tolerance (depends on the event/goal), and we usually need several tools and select the tools that have intersection with Tolerance. All numerical or analytical methods to Sajha.com posters are accetable only when the error committed by them lie inside the Tolerance limit of each reader and writer (well, every one has his / her own distribution, never attainable: If Ram could not make every one happy, how can you make all Sajhatians satisfied). Well, Pramendra, Ashu, Suna, ANepaliKT prefer Freedom, high tolerance, but, HG says Tolerance should be minimized so that it protects minorites. Thus, when you go to marketing any instrument or any method or any univ. what you should check first is your PURSE "TOLERANCE LIMIT", then, buy a method "TOOL" that suits your need. Thus, for a Nepali a Car that needs push in Dilli Bazar ko ukalo is still a Car, but, for a Nepali earning 80K in USA, "A car is not car when it has scratch". For HG a write up is posting when it contains some words, but, for ANepaliKT a write up is not a posting if its not correct grammatically, if its not understandable and if its not relevant. .... . . . . .. . Now I know that a perfect machine has Error = Tolerance Now, I know no one is perfect, not even Ram.. Who is perfect "POSTING MAchine" in Sajha.com? My Answer is "NEPE", who hardly gets any any objection. Who is most imperfect "POSTING MACHINE" in Sajha.com ? Those who get fires and are forced to quit. So, LJ is you leave Sajha.com, then, you are in my understanding an Imperfect Machine. Try to look at the contents in next section. HG |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 09:43 AM
HahooGuru (08-30-02) Posted: I am "sorry" that I am writing again. Hey, some peoples will ask me " if your purse "TOLERANCE LIMIT" is thin, but, I need high precision, then, what shall I do?" You read the first sentence in this section, i.e. "apology", in mechanical parts, we have "washer", in maths you define several functions e.g. y= f(x) 0 < x < 2 y= g(x) 2 < x < 10 . . . .. so on . .. When material a single unit "ma matrai janne bujhne ", then, s/he has very low moment of intertia: i.e. moment of moment, but, high bending resistance (it does not bend so easily). When you have like axel of car vehicle, then, it can not absorb shocks when your car's wheel falls even in small small stone pebbles or holes. What happens to you? You feel so jerked, jolted. Very bad, its like riding the old Russian "JEEP" in Nepal. So, what peoples did, they sliced that thick metal and wrapped firmly by a metal strip and hanged the rigid axel and body of the vehicle with the sliced and bundled metals, and we call it suspension. Have you ever tried to check the metal plates bundled and used as shock abosrbing part in old cars and in trucks its still used "the suspension". Why the same metal now can absorb and make our travel pleasant? Have you ever seen the Benz advertisement , they put a glass full of scotch whisky on roof and start the engine, not a single drop of whiskey drops? Why ? Its because they have very good suspension system, made of thick metal plate sliced into thin and bundled to take the shocks and not allowing the shock from engine and tyre to the glass. What is the reason? Its because we have increased moment of intertia, and reduced the flexural resistance (low bending resistance: it can bend very easily). You can go to suspension bridge and check we use bundle thin wire and use it, we use rope everywhere by bundling thing ropes .... All are done to increase moment of inertia and reduce the flexural resistance, so that parts don't fell because they could not bend. All these are different kinds of washers. Lets return to Sajha.com So, we can use "washer" when we have thin PURSE. "Washer" in Sajha.com is "Apology" "endorsement of error pointed by others" "not to make same mistake (intolerable) repeatedly". Those who are equipped with these instruments, will be successful posters in this forum or anywhere else in the world. Don't use same rigid Function everywhere, break it into pieces when your purse "tolerance" is thin. Well, some others who don't use washers but, have thin purse "thin tolerance limit", I call them HIGH PRIDE PEOPLE "LAKHNOW KA NABAB" , will say "you should not have multiple life ---dahi chiure manche-- --yastale ta sitti payo bhane 3 pathi chuk pani khanchan--- Pride, Dignity ta hunu paryo ni....". So, don'T carry too many washers, and you will be called an unreliable person, because, we are not sure when will you use APOLOGY and withdraw the things you said before. ..... Optimize it. Use Shannon's entropy equation employing Bayesian's likely hood method. Being a Nepali with thin PURSE, its good to have enough number of washers, keep on testing in Sajha.com before you set the appropriate washer, then, you can put other redundant washer in garbage and become a successful writer. Sunnelai sun ko mala bhannelai .... , ............. sucessful writer Sajha.com airahala. HG |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 10:02 AM
Haha I am crackign up here! Love the big red letter Hohoo Guru! Can't say I read any of the posts since the last time I posted on this thread asking folks to create white spaces (that was kind of a joke hai.. if you all didn't get it, just blame my lame sense of humor!) But I did skim HG's post about error and tolerance - I have no idea what it is about! Something to do with reasoning...... as I have always said, and will continue to say, logic and reasoning are overrated. Remember Walk Whitman ... I think it was he who said "I contradict myself. So what?" (thats noit his exact words mind you). Anyhow reading HG's post this caught my eyes "Well, Pramendra, Ashu, Suna, ANepaliKT prefer Freedom, high tolerance, but, HG says Tolerance should be minimized so that it protects minorites. Thus, when you go to marketing any instrument or any method or any univ. what you should check first is your PURSE "TOLERANCE LIMIT", then, buy a method "TOOL" that suits your need. Thus, for a Nepali a Car that needs push in Dilli Bazar ko ukalo is still a Car, but, for a Nepali earning 80K in USA, "A car is not car when it has scratch". For HG a write up is posting when it contains some words, but, for ANepaliKT a write up is not a posting if its not correct grammatically, if its not understandable and if its not relevant. .... . . . . .. . Now I know that a perfect machine has Error = Tolerance Now, I know no one is perfect, not even Ram.." Hahoo Guru ji - Of course I prefer freedom, but freedom without limits is chaos. I will deal with chaos if the only alternative is lack of freedom/a dictator ship/imprisonment, etc. Tolerance like everything else is relative. There is no ABSOLUTEs in this universe. Maybe GOD or Bramhand!! But we are not talking about GOD. Yet, if we don'tstrive for it (perfection/absolute) why not just wallow in shit! Haina ra.... :) And grammatically not correct --- I don't know about that. It does have to be understandable though. Otherwise what is the point! La hai folks what are we talking about now? I have not IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buwahh awhaw hahah awas buawahah :) |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 10:18 AM
People ought to talk. Freedom of speech. Then there is social decor. Respect for people. And a way to keep engaged so that there is a true meeting of minds. A head on confrontation of agreements, disagreements. Success or lack thereof. Some make it, some don't. Some are happy, some not. Sometimes there is a potential/performance gap. Lack of "breaks?" Lack of work ethic? Prevalence of prejudice? Different people bloom at different stages in their lives. This is an online community. Hence usernames. Or real names. But primarily usernames. In some ways a great place for dialogue. In other ways, descents into personal attacks. But the offline world is what even this is really about. Summary: I hope we all keep talking, despite disagreements, and the occasional bad taste in the mouth. |
| ashu | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 12:38 PM
Hahooguru, Enjoyed reading your prabachan. But I ask: Why this hurry, why this rush, why this eagerness, and why this impatience to make faux-peace when the underlying problems/issues have not been analyzed/discussed in more OBJECTIVE detail? I am NOT saying that one should go on punishing others for things they have already apologized for, but what's wrong if some people do indeed want to go on ad infinitum ad nauseum discussing ISSUES? After all, you have the power NOT to view the thread, hoina ra? Why not exercise that power, let there be santaan thari thari ka and be amused and happy? In a democracy that allows free speech, we should NEVER stop talking and discussing issues, despite, to echo Paramendra, "disagreements, and the occasional bad taste in the mouth." If Lalupatay Joban shows ghurki and wants to leave sajha, let him. With the exception of San, no one here -- including myself -- should be and is indispensable. So much for thrusting one's ego!! With almost 800 unique users of DIVERSE backgrounds, the 'show' goes on just fine. Thank you. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| paramendra | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 12:48 PM
[VIEWED 1499 TIMES] ---- Phew .............. I think we owe it to the popularity of this thread to gear this discussion to issues, and move beyond personalities. "...But I ask: Why this hurry, why this rush, why this eagerness, and why this impatience to make faux-peace when the underlying problems/issues have not been analyzed/discussed in more OBJECTIVE detail? ... I agree. Shava Shanti can not be a goal. Let there be vicious disagreements. The most important thing is to keep talking. To not leave the table. And it is just one notch better if that viciousness is about issues and not personalities. And it is nicer to keep away from personal attacks. |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 07:14 PM
ANepaliKT: .....why not just wallow in shit! Haina ra.... :) For some grammatical error looks "wallowing in Shit" and for others "use of words SHIT" itself is "wallowing in shit".... ... I can understand your DS and you are right nothing is absolute, and I know mean is not true value, but, value that closer to most values. HG |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 09:12 PM
Hahoo Guru ji: What is DS? And sorry that my use of the word "shit" was like to "wallowing in shit" for you. But I think you did not get the context in which I used the phrase "wallowing in shit." It was defintely not used in the context of posts being riddled with gramattical errors. Grammar, I think, is important only as much as it aids in conveying meaning. If grammatical errors hinder comprehension, thats a problem. Not a big one maybe depending on the context, but still a problem. But I am not sure why you seem to think that I have some sort of hang up about grammar. Beats me! |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 31-Aug-02 10:17 PM
DS= Double Standard |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 06:52 PM
Parmendra Bhagat's Epinions
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| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 06:54 PM
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| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 06:56 PM
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| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 06:58 PM
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| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 06:59 PM
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| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 07:00 PM
More Of Paramendra Bhagat's Epinions: (2), (3) |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 07:07 PM
Did you read those 262 books, understood very well (writing a review means you know the contents very well, right?) and wrote those book reviews? By yourself ? How did get such a tremendous time ? I hope you are not in show biz., you wrote those reviews to tell the world that "Hey, I wrote 262 reviews?". You are great if you have really read 262 books, understand them very well. Its worth reading by those who wish to read those books. After looking the 262, I lost my interest to read it, because its 262, kahile padhera sakne. So, I just checked those stars on your reviews, i.e. review on review. That was very easily readable, understandable and useful and also very fast, indeed. Reviews written: 262 HG |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 07:26 PM
HG: You lost me here. What books? Only some of the reviews above are book reviews. Please click on them and see for yourself. Some are movie reviews. Some debates. Some funny pieces. Some travel piecs. Some web site reviews. There's much diveristy in the writings. |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 08:54 PM
This thread is beyond maxed out in terms of comedy! Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha I can't help it! Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha Buwah hahah a ah aaahahaha |
| Gokul | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 09:02 PM
Paramendra, Thanks for sharing your great work. To not thank you would be an act of ungratefulness for you have given us some very stimulating pieces of reading and also shown what a determined and hardworking soul is capable of doing. I hope to read all of these. What an energy, what a will! Perhaps Vivekananda often quoted from Kathopanishad with the objective to create souls like yours. "Uttisthata, Jagrata, Prapya, Varannibodhta" Arise, Wake up and Sleep not till the Goal is reached. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 10:37 PM
Gokul: With that enthuse, I hope you will sign up at Epinions.com. It is the best online community there is. At a continental/global level. |
| Bostonian | Posted
on 01-Sep-02 11:27 PM
Parmendra....people are comparing you with Anshu...who is a Harvard Grad...you're not even comparable to his toe..not even feet. YOu should feel great b/c people at least couraged to bring this topic..Parmendra Vs Anshu... It's like "KAHA KO RAJARAM...KAHA KO GANGHU TELI" .. In this context, you are gangu teli( from janakpur...) Sorry...not discriminating. Feel great...people comparing you with Anshu:)..No offense..No defense..:) chill out bro... |
| Gokul | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 08:48 AM
Paramendra, I have joined epinions.com. Bostonian, I feel sorry for your ignorance and lack of civility. First of all, why should we compare Ashu with Paramendra? Every person has/her own upbringing, culture, and surrounding and sum total of all these creates what we call a personality. I am very much impressed by both Ashu and Paramendra. I admire Ashu's clear, no-nonsense, and logical writing. I like Paramendra's tenacity, thoroughness and forthright honesty. While I am putting forth what I like in each of them, this is by no means a way of comparing them. To say that Ashu is great just because he went to Harvard is to insult him and ignore what he is really made up of. He is what he thinks, writes, does and advocates today. Paramendra is a rebel and he is trying to live by the principles he really believes in. He became buddhist in his search for truth and justice. He changed his majors many times in his search for ultimate goal for his life. As a visitor of Sajha, I feel fortunate to have both of these incredibly knowledgeable and energetic fellows. Instead of comparing one with the other, and humiliating one while favoring the other, why don't we try to learn from both of them? Bostonian, if you have irrepressible urge to compare, then why don't you compare yourself with either Ashu or Paramendra and tell us in what respect you are better than one (both) of them. That will be a real comparison, a much needed soul-searching for you. |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 10:30 AM
Amen, Gokul ji. (sorry folks for cracking up earlier. that little exchange between HG, myself and then HG and Paramendra was too funny:) |
| SITARA | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 10:40 AM
This thread has too much info................ Biographies, Autobiographies, logic, debates, and Paramendra ji's encyclopaedia of links to "my epinions" ! Thread weary! ;) |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 10:44 AM
And there are those of us who come back to check out the new posts and add a cent to the mayhem! Buwaha ha hahahaha aaahaha Buwaha ha hahahaha aaahaha Buwaha ha hahahaha aaahaha Buwaha ha hahahaha aaahaha Buwaha ha hahahaha aaahaha Buwaha ha hahahaha aaahaha Buwaha ha hahahaha aaahaha Buwaha ha hahahaha aaahaha sorry. couldn't help it. :) |
| SITARA | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 10:49 AM
Anepalikt.... Nice laughter!!! I can see your epiglottis!!! Did you have "anda" for breakfast!!! hehe! |
| hahooguru | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 11:39 AM
ANepaliKT wrote: sorry folks for cracking up earlier. that little exchange between HG, myself and then HG and Paramendra was too funny:) -- OH no, sachhikai funny bho ta? Belai ma biutaidiyeko dhanya baad hai, ANepaliKT timilai. (I used TIMI, to mean we are equal here in this forum, and I don't expect not more not less than TIMI "YOU". School ma padhda sab bhanda garoh sabda, sablai you "timi" re? Image banauna nai garoh ni. Tapai bhaneko angrezi ma YOU, and YOU Bhaneko TIMI, therefore, TAPAI = TIMI. LOL). HG |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 03:37 PM
biutaidiyeko bhanya ke ho? shabda romanize garda kahile ta ke bhanya nai bujhidaina ba! Sitara: la mero epiglottis kina herne, when the tonsils are so nice :) |
| SITARA | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 04:45 PM
Anepalikt; Your tonsils look a tad bit inflamed KE!!!!!!! :) Must be the change in the weather!! Strep-throat makes you bray...bhwaaaaaaaaaaa...kind of thing kya!!! ;) |
| Nepe | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 04:46 PM
I now know Paramendra much more than before and my respect for his struggle has not decreased but increased. I thank Lalupate Joban for this. Although Lalupate Joban felt that the Jana Adalat of Sajha (I did not see it though) gave the verdict against him, I did not find his postings seriously objectionable. Yes, he appears to know a lot of 'unimportant things', to echo what Paschim said very early in this thread. And he seems to have an attitude too. But it was not beyond the limit where humor breaks down to rumor. Besides, Lalupate surprisingly gave us a wake up call for us regarding how much slave we are sometimes of our ego, our love of attention. Not that there is something wrong about it, but it is always good to know about ourselves and the things that drive us. I was a curious spectator in this thread. I did not feel that there is anything these very smart guys like Ashu, Paramendra, Paschim and Lalupate Joban can not handle themselves. I was like watching a great show. I was educating myself about the limits and limitations of intelligence, ego, internet and friendship. Yes, the limits and the limitations. But the most rewarding part for me is my unfaltered trust in these guys that they care about our f..ked-up country and they share a great dream of our future. What more should one ask for ? |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 06:18 PM
I wonder whether, Hamri Sjaha.com Mahila Mitra really don't know the meaning of "biutaidiyeko" ? In Nepali, global meaning, it indicates: mareko lai feri life dinu. In my hometown, its suteko manche lai biujhanunu. I think, I would have used Biujhaunu, instead of "biutaidiyeko". Jiskya ta hoina hola ni, mitra ANepaliKT. HG |
| anepalikt | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 07:03 PM
Jiskeko hoina Hahoo Guru ji! Ke garne! Euta ta Kathmandu ko khacchar Nepali ra Newari ma hurkeko. Arko kura, SLC ma jhandai Nepali ma nail fail bhayeko. Pheri tes mathi ramanized Nepali! :) |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 02-Sep-02 07:32 PM
Wakarimasita, (Japanese le THAHA BHO bhaneko re ke) :) :) :) [malai yasta smile dukh po diyo ni ho. Smile, LOL laugh haru ek dam confusing chhan mera lagi, tara pani smile chai wakarimasta. Lou ta explain gari diye hunthyo kasaile. K garne afu paryo Asia ma basne Pakhe.] what does it means: ;) semicolon parenthesis :] = ? : > = ? Any meaning :} = ? (._.) (.-.) ..... is there any site to understand these codes? Smiling, LOL to angry. |
| whats waht | Posted
on 03-Sep-02 09:51 AM
look at these pathetic characters..these self proclaimed clebrities of Sajha don't know their head from their ass..they don't even seem to realize when people are making fun of them or actually praising them...ha.. ha .. ha..keeps getting funnier.. pple get a life. I cannot believe take this web posting soo seriously....ho ho ho narf Its like THE BRAIN trying to take over the world(Pinky and the Brain). And,"Look at all these e-opinions I wrote, please read them and tell me how gooood I am(self inflated). tell me more, tell me more , tell me more(Grease)" |
| Jame Bonds | Posted
on 03-Sep-02 10:08 AM
What i used to like about sajha was the amount of diversity that used to be brought to the table. Thesedays it's all about individual people. It's like some of these self declared saviors have discovered a way to publish their greatness through this medium. Some guruji's are just sad - running, jumping, banging, bumping into their own conclusions about the rest of the unfathomable universe around their cross eyed reality. Why is it so hard to understand the the general public don't like to read threads after threads of your opinions. Ok we get the idea that you are a man of vast opinions. And by now we know where we have to go to read them if we are interested, without having it being thrust into my peripheral vision every other day. |
| bitchpatroll | Posted
on 03-Sep-02 03:26 PM
hey looky look, I was not the only one who felt that way. there are others out there too who think alike..This guy even went out and called me racist bigot without knowing where i was coming from. This Mapai self serving attitude got to go... hey hey!! hoho!! This MAPAI self self serving attitude's got to go.. hey hey!! hoho!! |
| paramendra | Posted
on 04-Sep-02 09:05 PM
Gokul: All the best with your Epinions experience. Bostonian: Just when I was looking for a nickname for Ashu, thanks: Raja Bhoj. Anepalikt: I am glad you are having fun. Preferably at Guru's expense. Sitara: Asman mein sitara, sajha pe sitara. Nepe: Paschim's comment about "unimportant things" was about Lalupate*Joban, to my guess, but you are right, someone else could say that about me: what is important to one person might not be to another. What's what: Welcome aboard. 007: Well, you know where not to go if you don't want to read my epinions. Besides this thread that has two individuals' names in the subject line was started by you. Otherwise Ashu and I like to keep to issues. Bitchpatroll: You have been missed. I thought you might show up. |
| bitchpatroll | Posted
on 05-Sep-02 02:58 PM
Are we caalin' truce after all that hangaama Mr parmendra ? Did ahh hear that raiight ? Ahsay Ahsay thats raiight ? |
| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Sep-02 08:18 PM
This particular posting is dedicated to BP: 
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| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 12:08 AM
Articles Paramendra Bhagat
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| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 12:32 AM
Berea College Paramendra Bhagat
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| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 12:36 AM
Papers Paramendra Bhagat
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| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 12:46 AM
Links Paramendra Bhagat |
| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 01:07 AM
2002 Paramendra Bhagat
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| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:48 AM
[VIEWED 2402 TIMES] .... Just trying to cash on this kind of traffic to take tihs thread to being one about myriad issues and topics, to move beyond personalities: An Investigation Of The Impact Of Socio-Economic Status Upon The Career Aspirations Of Berea College Students |
| bitchpatroll | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 11:08 AM
ok this is it.. STOP THIS SELF-INFLATING INSANITY I cannot take this anymore Yo paramitra, This aint no garbage disposal to dump all yo crap. Enough already. Maybe we should put up a spam guard here. what the hell are you trying to do here ? Space for storage is not free yuh know. Maybe you need to open up your own site and display your colorful work without disruption. You crossed that line again Mr Minder... One more time .. Stop self promoting yourself. Before the whips and chains come out again. This is another shameless self promotion. like a typical politician... here we go again. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 11:20 AM
BPji: It's called web content. And these contents are not on the Sajha server. Hence the links. I was hoping you would show up on some of the Sajha anti-corruption threads. There's one launched by Paschim recently. It's happening. |
| Tired very Tired | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 11:46 AM
Aren't we tired of all these links. I assume there are lot of things that needs to be done in one's own time, besides reading Parmendra's articles on various subjects and topics, that he wrote as he felt, with his tasteless style. I cannot speak for everyone, but I am definitely tired of seeing the links like above, and to some extent I do agree with BP about parmendra's innerself that needed some stage where he could show what he is. Enough ............I am also tired of the thread , Paramendra Vs Anshu. Don't know either of you, do not wanna know either. I enjoy Anshu's writings which are seldomly touched with any foul cry against race, ethnicity or anything like that, but pure informative such as the' Chinese Traders in KTM', yet very contemporary issues. Bottomline, Paramendra, By now everyone knows you have done a lot of work in writing a lot of stuff and posting them to websites, but how many times do you wanna keep posting them here like " Khane bhaye Kha, Nakhaye Ghinch" bhanya jasto. ENOUGH................... Now you and others might tell me to not to visit the threads that you, Paramendra, have posted something to , but what can I do poor me , I find solace in Sajha. And when I get done with the other threads I still wanna see if there is something new and I refresh the page and here comes "paramendra VS Anshu" on the top of the list. SO ,out of curiousity, I venture in there, and I again find, due to the courtesy of Mr. Bhagat, more links -' who I am and what I have done' kinda postings. I can, at the same time,use my liberty to assume that it is not just me but there are a lot of sajhaites who feel the way I feel, but they just think, " ah! just let it go. Let him post what he wants to post. Aafno jane kyai hoina." I guess that is also a good way to percieve Paramendra Bhagat's postings wiht huge links and just ride the wave. Now those of you who love Paramendra might say," so why don' tyou get the fuc* out of here " to me. The answer is I cannot . I have tried. it is worse than heroine in addiction. It's nature being so I am addicted to Sajha. As long as Sajha exists, I am going to be there in Sjaha, may be just reading the postings and not actively participating in some stupid threads if I feel so. On the other hand you don't have the right to say so, Because noone Inheirited Sajha. Sajha is sabaiko Sajha. Kasaiko Bauko Pewa hoina,Like a Big tree under whose shade anyone can relax for a moment or two and enjoy the shade in a hot, summer day. I know Paramendra can relate to that as a Huge " Bargadh Ka Pedh". Rock On ......................... |
| czar | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 11:56 AM
Bitch patrol, Are you asking for a narcissim victims support group ? That entails writing a a project proposal to the UN, The Antarctic Penquin Council, Save the Jhyalenche Fondation, Tukucha for Tourism Forum etc. Once the MOU is signed then an office will have to be set up at the Yak n Yeti, a Liason office at the Shangrila in Singapore, another at the Ritz in London and NY. Then there is the task of ordering at least five Pajero's, four Landcruisers, 50 PC's and 9 servers for five staffers, 3 generator's for the project hakim's residence etc. All of this entails a lotta work. Are you even making a reasonable demand ? |
| bitchpatroll | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 12:06 PM
It is not web content, Web Junk is more like it. Even the link occupy space too, one, two, three, or even four is fine .. Not a fking encyclopedia of links. Ye need to get a life man... serious.. if not a therapist forsure. How much more do you want to talk about yourself ? Its this kind of deeds that you attract all the negative responses. But you don't seem to get it. If you were a politician doing this in public in Nepal you probably would get showered by rotten vegetables. |
| imodium ki alum? | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 01:07 PM
the condition is call diarrhea of the mouth. it's incurable, but a good dose of alum or else sucking on imodium is supposed to alleviate the symptoms. then again, he ain't the first to 'jack sajha as his personal vanity site. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 01:24 PM
.. a Huge " Bargadh Ka Pedh". ..... lol Folks. Sorry I seem to have gotten on some of your nerves. But the first time I posted links to my articles at Sajha - on August 2, my first day here - my personal website went down: that shows a lot of visitors clicked on. I guess that was a warm welcome. I was just making an attempt to change the focus from personalities to issues in this particular thread. The links are to articles that do NOT talk about paramendra. That oughta help. 'nough said. |
| whats waht | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 02:05 PM
What is this ? Is this guy trying to overtake Ashu ? If it is he has definately taken the lead for now. RAT RACE...RAT RACE I am great, I am strong, I can talk shit till sun comes up RAT Race... put your hands togather now Rat Race |
| paramendra | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 02:32 PM
Okay, forget issues, let's go to personalities at Sajha. From the Gaijatra threads: HahooGuru: Guru Nanak to kya Nanak Mile koi Guru Hahoo se Paschim to president fan club ke unke (Bahut log bolte reverse karo o intjam) Entropy pharmate thakte nahin Formula lagate phirate Conclusions nikalte TND ka naam japte rahte Guruvar, aur sunaiye Ashu: Paramendraji, come to Sajha As in sabai Nepali ko sajha And mind not if people mention me there I am a known quantity The off-season Gaijatra NK: And this dude at the convention Comes over at the bar And starts hitting on my friend and me So I show him my hubby and my daughter's photo "A limb missing here and there..." Paschim: Stiglitz was my next door neighbor Nehruji bhi London padhe the Or was it Cambridge Gorkha is Da West Hence my name Democracy ra BP ka kura garam garam Bitchpatroll: Who is this Parminder charcter My username is dedicated to going after him And his photo Anepalikt: Gaas, baas, kapaas Baad ki baat Pahle deshprem Desh_Bhakta_Bhattarai: Wo jhanda dekha kya aap ne? Maine photo to nahin upload kiya! Bisun: Who is this Paramendra character? I am the one 100% Maithili Nepe: You confused me with NK Even though I am also some character, mind ya' San Pradhan: Wo archive mein to rakh diya na Kyun bak bak karte hain? GeoGods: Bhagatji, maine aap ke naam se Ek user group shuru kar diya na No need to go to Kurakani anymore Aap usergroup mein aa jaiye Apna "vision" banaiye Sarina: F___ Off man! Did you get off the boat yesterday? ?: Iraq par ko Bush ne attack nahin kiya Aap kya pharma rahe hain? Gokul: Khoi Kathmandu ke bhayo malai? Democrats: Aap rashtrapati banoge? Raja nahin chahiye not Parmendra: Main to Parmendra nahin Sirf username hai mera Jao uska Epinions padho Sanomanchhe: Wo Nuru Lama ka article padha Dil khush huwa Junkie: Read your post with interest Now will you please write me A recommendation letter to my father I need some paternal loving Aditi: Janaki School padha kya aap ne Hemraj Tamrakar ka naam suna kya aap ne Sujan: Paschim, it is not only you I too have visited Ivy League big shots In their offices Ananta: China se salaam Balee umar ko salaam "Jaan bachaa lee maine Dil de diya..." MatribhumiNepal: But how can you expect a Poorly paid hawaldar To nake take ghoosh NK: Empower dalit women And spot me in the picture All at once "Phew, one down, 50 more to go.." Biswo: I know more about Masal than Sadbhavana Walla walla Gokul: Ambedkar Mitra 2: Save SankhuwaSabha The meeting must go on Paramendra: Gaijatra on Sajha: Salaam unhein jo Sajha pe aa ke Gaijatra manate hain Ek se ek bandein imtihan manate hain Koi Buddhijiwi, Koi Chiranjiwi Kisi ko jameendar, kisi ko Amitabh bolte Bol de unhein thobra hamara us kabeel nahin Bahut kamiyan hain, Koi cyber presidency ka khwab nahin Dil buland hai, single to nahin, shadi kar lee, khush hain Irada buland hai, bhabishya to khalee kagaj hai, likhnee bahot hai Khwabein hain, umr koi biti nahin, bhabishya shuru huwa bhi nahin Bus uthte baithte, chalte phirte, samay nikal ke Do sabd salam bus bolne kee ichha kee Sajha ke musafiron ko bol de, gum rakhe Photo par kum, postings par jyada comment kare. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:11 PM
Paramendraji.......... J. Edgar Hoover reincarnated????????????????????? Miles of strings and threads of composits on Sajhaites???????? ;) You have a memory of an elephant...(this, said in compliment..ni hai?) |
| paramendra | Posted
on 07-Sep-02 07:45 AM
Stars in the skies Stars in the eyes HahooGuru on Sajha Ghintang |
| paramendra | Posted
on 07-Sep-02 07:52 AM
The Sajha Life: "Get A Life" Those who log on at dawnbreak From different time zones Hong Kong to Seattle to Detroit The offline world of work and play Friday evening plans postponed Like caffeine, sips of Sajhalite And check on the status of their last posting Just one more time after wishing a good night to loved ones The Nepali diaspora, ethereal, literally The desolate cyberia of one-dimensional communication If words were enough on a flickering screen Pictures would not be worth a thousand of them |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 07-Sep-02 08:06 AM
Para dedicates his brief writing to HahooGuru: Stars in the skies Stars in the eyes HahooGuru on Sajha ---- yastari HG lai Stars sanga nadajouna hou Paramendra ji. Yo ta toooooooooooooooooooo muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch flatterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring bhayenara .................. How can I pay you back? Arko janma matrai sakiyela jasto chha ni. Any thanks a lot. HG |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 07-Sep-02 08:08 AM
Errata: Any should be replaced by "ANYWAY". Anyway thanks a lot. HG |
| paramendra | Posted
on 07-Sep-02 08:46 AM
Actually, Guruvar, I was paying compliments to two people at the same time, yourself and Sitara. After all, Paschim must be seeing something. And I don't doubt either his intelligence or indepence or sincerity. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-Sep-02 09:14 AM
RECYCLING AGAIN?..............Paramendra ji? or is it BORROWING??? I detect a faint note of others' quips and undertones of other threads.....!!! If you too see what Paschim ji sees, it does put you in the same league, you know that right?...."You see what you are!" with compliments :) Guru ji.....you put me to shame! "killing me with kindness?" ;) |
| paramendra | Posted
on 07-Sep-02 09:19 AM
The worst nightmare come true for those who are on record here wishing me away, wishing I left and begone: I just wrote a column! |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 07-Sep-02 08:07 PM
When you write something, "Something own, something borrowed (nearly equal to recycled) , something stolen". ------------ And it applies to me tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Stealing : here in writing perspective is meant: borrowing others idea without any reference to original writer or author or orignator... Well, copy right law says, nothing can be 100% copy without permission, no excusable, if found so.. is guilty of charges. .............deserve punishment. Well, its upto you to decide how much borrowing without any reference to original writer (but, it is still a steal) is good and does not harm your pride. I had seen authors who make 90% and 5 % borrowed (well refered) 5% original, and they call it original. I was talking to a friend of mine who is now associate prof. in univ. and told that his professor published same paper in different journal .... I told him that the professor is always like that. .... Don't worry, everyone knows. But, the chinese friend of mine, was very serious, and said, I don't like his style, because I feel ashamed of him being his former students, and I can not refer his name as my former advisor ... .......... This is happening with Chiranjibi wagle, he can not refer with pride that Devendra his suputra, "I am proud of my son". and similarly, Deepak Raj Joshi will never honestly say in public that "Iam proud of my father" . .. .. . . "Something own, something borrowed (nearly equal to recycled) , something stolen". is there. But, it should not mismatch (go beyond a limit) that will harm your pride. e.g. Govinda Raj Joshi will say that he saved money from foreigh trips: In reality allowance in Foreign trips are given to you to match your status, so that you live in standard hotel according to your daily allowance given to you, and keep the pride of country ... that GRJ being minister did not stay in a cheap hotel or went to his son's dorm while in official trip to save the hotel charges. .... Thus, it is also stealing ......... .............. ................. But, legally its acceptable. Only its not ethical. So, lower limit stealing is excused by law, but, controlled by ethics and your pride. End of todays Prabachan ... on borrow, own, stolen ... HG |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Sep-02 01:39 PM
Ashu at Google Groups: 2,190 results! Phew. |
| paramendra | Posted
on 29-Sep-02 01:57 PM
An Attempt At Deciphering Paschim's Identity/Age In the guessing game, since everyone seems to be picking on Paschim, I don't think I will stand out if I join, and so here goes. Considering both of us have made not so intelligent guesses that we perhaps have known each other in person for a long time - decades! (oops, just let the cat out --- that puts him above 20, easy ... and perhaps more, since chances are I did not first meet him when he was 5, since we are not part of each other's extended families, since that is not a pro-choice question, and, oops, so that puts him above 25, but how far ...) - but then neither of us are sure we do know each other, or if it is other people that we remind each other of; you know how memory plays tricks on people, good stuff is remembered, bad stuff forgotten, unless you are Bitchpatroll ---------- and so it is entirely possible Paschim and I don't really know each other, except for the two months that we have seen each other at Sajha, and that will not help, since I don't think anyone will buy into a supposition that Pashim's age might be a digit in months. Once I surmised and praised a piece of writing by an author who I do know, and the writing was online with the real author's full name, and although I did not see a picture - but then pictures can be deceiving, what with trick photography, and photo editing software; you can literally have body parts of 10 different people and put it into one composite, and then names can as easily be swapped, and a name-match does not exactly help; once someone at the site did a Google search on "Ashutosh Tiwari" and one got bombarded with links to Ashutosh Tiwaris from Britain, to Bahrain, to Australia, to Japan, and various graduate program locations in the U.S., so I would not count too much on getting the first and last names right. But then I never promised it is going to be easy. I just said I will try on behalf of all the swooning women who have nothing but a username, not even the scent of a body, though they talk of computers down the line, especially for online malls, that will make smelling possible, and that is then, but for now, the pheromones will have to wait -- oh, the painful waiting -- sorry women. But then, this is the online world. Who is to tell which username is that of some woman, or not. Maybe there are women with men's usernames, or men with women's usernames thinking Paschim is a woman, as well might be the case. Or men posing as women hoping Paschim is indeed a man. And about that author online I thought might be Paschim, his comment was something to the effect that he is sure that author appreciates my kind words on the quality of the article, which was a blow to my quest into his identity, perhaps not as big a blow as to those who swoon habitually, but still. And so, ladies and gentlemen, for all my good intentions, I really don't know. And as for his standing offer to e-mail him, and that he replies to each and every e-mail, I remain suspicious. Sure, words will flow. But what if he is not sure you are in his vicinity (anywhere between Hong Kong and the jungles of Burma, plus minus couple thousand miles), or that you are not of the sex desired, or the age range, and other qualities one can only wonder about, and you receive platitudes. And, at the end of the day, all you have is a username called Paschim which might or might not stand for "West." But then west as in western Texas (George W Bush campaigning in California for President: "I grew up in the west: western Texas!")? Or West as in the brain-drain-body-drain Amrika? Or west as in Mao-infested Rolpa? For all we know, the gentleman might be a comrade! He does talk of Vietnam with fondness once in a while. I can imagine it being hard for those who want more than Paschim's cyber words. And I sincerely wish I could help (that could be my good deed for the day or two). But the good intentions will have to remain just that: good intentions. Unless San makes it compulsory that visitors publicly put up their real profiles or be banished, in which case Paschims' love for Sajha might be tested, as well his professed love for women (oh, those plurals one learned at middle school). But I doubt San will get into the fray. He probably wonders why the girls/women are not swooning over him! Or at least not as openly. After all, this is my site, "God damn it!" (The favorite phrase of the main character in Gabriel Garcia Marquez's super novel "The Autumn Of The Patriarch" that I finished reading a few days back.) And, oh yeah, did anyone ask HIM the question? But then, this is a town of masked people. Beware what you ask for, you might just get it. You asked for masks, and that is where the story began. |