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| ashu |
Posted
on 05-Sep-02 09:59 PM
Now that it is more than clear that Mr. Chiranjibi Wagle and his son Devendra, among others, have turned our democracy into nothing but nauseating thugocracy to accumulate incalcuable wealth for themselves, what's stopping Mr. Wagle to submit his resignation, face charges and go to jail?
OK, the question is a rhetorical one, I admit.
But what's stopping CIAA -- which has become stronger on making crackdowns against
so-called corrupt officials but remains as weak as ever when it comes to putting
together legally enforceable punishement procedures -- to summon Mr. Wagle for
a hearing?
Mr. Wagle can maintain an impassive face and continue to lie, lie and lie to the Nepali janata. But I, as a citizen, am just plain tired of him and the 'taizi' (or prince) such as Devendra that he has spawned.
And what on earth is Narendra Bajracharya -- the owner of Vajra Hotel near Swayambhu and the current president of Hotel Association of Nepal -- doing
as a real estate-partner of Wagle-(ku)putra?
Does the man Bajracharya who enjoys clasical literature, fine arts and good
theater have no shame?
oohi
"tired of reading about Chiranjibi Wagle's ill-gotten wealth"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 05-Sep-02 10:34 PM
CW will continue lie. He does not have any word SHAME in his dictionary.
Why not we campaign against him, requesting
all Nepalis connected to Internet to participate to asking CW to immediately resign.
HG
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| virus |
Posted
on 05-Sep-02 10:45 PM
Before we ask WC to resign, lets ask almost all the present/former ministers to resign and go to jail.
There will be empty cabinet and almost empty offices in Nepal.
So my opinion is taking Ghush as much as possible.
Kag karaunchha, Pina sukdai janchha.
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 12:39 AM
Mr. Wagle and all those guilty must be punished. Period. Let's not tolerate impunity anymore.
But from whatever I have read recently, the disclosure is loaded with views, and fails to establish clear-cut details as to how Wagle Jr. amassed the wealth thru' unfair means. To be rich is certainly not a crime, according to Nepali laws.
It's very likely that the humble Wagles made some fast buck while dishing out political patronage buck, but i believe that 1. more evidences need to be presented before the public decides that the Wagle Sr. has been funneling black money to his son's account; 2. the Wagles, esp. Devendra, deserve their day under the sun.
I am no fan of the Wagles. But I hope that the public, and the court of law, give them, and every single person charged of corruption, benefit of doubt. They are innocent until proven guilty.
To look at a larger picture. I do congratulate officials for cracking down on corruption - better late than never - but I sincerely hope they will not target certain people (for example, RPP minister Padma Sundar Lawati was made to resign in 1996 on charges of corruption while other members of the coalition were left scotfree).
The public believes that Khum Bahadur Khadka, Govinda Raj Joshi, Bijaya Gachhedar are perhaps the most tainted Kangressis. And what of the all-powerful G P Koirala, and his carodpati beti, Sujata? They have phenomenal reaches and deep pockets.
Equally intriguing. Former FM Ram Sharan Mahat has recently gone on record to question Royal Nepal Army's controversial arms deal with the Belgian government. Grape vine has it that Prajawala SJB Rana, upon his retirement, rushed to Europe to close the deal. Did the former army chief even have the legitimacy to negotiate in the govt's behalf?
And if the story is true, who is Rana taking his orders from? Where is Prime Minister Deuba in all this? Poor Deuba, he's so good that he's good for nothing.
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| Nepali Kanchi |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 01:10 AM
For Virus,
"Before we ask WC to resign, lets ask almost all the present/former ministers to resign and go to jail.
There will be empty cabinet and almost empty offices in Nepal"
This is actually a great comment you raised.
While in Nepali kanchi in wonderland, I was thinking what were to happen if all the cabinet ministers and GMs and IG's etc were brought down on corruption charges and jailed??
If they are all jailed, of course, hypothetically speaking, then who runs the country?
How does the CIAA decide what level of corruption is to be chased after and what level to be spared?
There are so many Mantri, Sachib, Saha Sachib, IG, DIG, DSP, GM, Presidents, Mayors, Governors etc etc....so many corrupt officials.( Of course there are some clean cut ones.) My point is if they are all jailed what will happen?
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 01:19 AM
Nepali Kanchi :
While in Nepali kanchi in wonderland, I was thinking what were to happen if all the cabinet ministers and GMs and IG's etc were brought down on corruption charges and jailed??
Kanchi, ani timro palo ni? Kancha ready chha ki chhaina. hehhehe.. .just making
fun. Ani tyo kancha lai chha Real State ko agent kaam gara bhana, ani
timi minister ni, Swastha Mantralaya ko ... Nepal Swastha Manatralay is
reserved for woman. Ani k chha, tyo kun minister le chha ni Japan ko
kun sanstha le RED CROSS/ Hospital ko naam ma thuuuuuprai Ambulance diyeko
re, unle ta tyo banner jhikera basa dinadina ambulance ma sabar. ...
Dream it. . . . . Tyo ho hamro desh. . . . . . .
HG
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 01:40 AM
VV writes:
But from whatever I have read recently, the disclosure is loaded with views, and fails to establish clear-cut details as to how Wagle Jr. amassed the wealth thru' unfair means. To be rich is certainly not a crime, according to Nepali laws.
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I wish Wagle family is not related to you. You are making honest analysis.
The important thing in this new law is that if you have property you must prove
it that its legal income. In the past govt. has to prove that its illegal income.
No coin is turned upside down, loading the people to be clean all the time.
Its a good motive.
Yes, you can say you had biz. Now, its not easy to prove that
you made 20 crores of rupees from real state biz, from a unemployed
man whose father had 90,000 rupees in 2046.
Well, there are many peoples claim here that inheritence is also
one important loop hole in law. But, inheritence also has to declare
the amount at the you go for ANSA BANDA or BAKAS PATRA. In
all cases, minimum tax need to be paid, by declaring its market value.
Well, as I mentioned sometime back, Malpot adhikrit keep some portion
and ask you to show cheaper than in market. Only those who are
either tooooooooooooo honest or toooooooooooooo clever (who
want to make black to white) put tamsuk amount equal to or more
than bazar bhau. Thus, Jr. Wagle will not have so easy to manufacture
the papers. I think CIAA should close his office by locking the door
and bring all papers to CIAA and do sortout. Don't let them have time
to manufacture the papers.
What I suspect now is that Wagle Jr. will put his office in fire, a trick used
in developing world when ever they want find excuses for corruptions.
Pay backdoor money to so called Maoists, and let them burn. Get easy
access. Maobadi le agolai diye ..... Maobadi will also have news, and
Jr. Wagle will also have excuse. ..... I am sure such day is coming.
We will hear very soon that Wagle Jr. 'S real estate company on fire
either by so called money hungry maoists (not be real dedicated
maoists: ??????? DEDICATED ?????? yes there are some very few)
or by some Wagle Jr. gunda.
If it does not happen then Wagle jr. will find space in Jail. This is a trick in
Nepal.
HG
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 02:37 AM
Having once interacted (as a boy) with CW, his story reminds me of Kim Dae Jung of South Korea (with a long history of struggle for the right causes), and the shame he's had to go through and apologize to the nation on behalf of his son who has been jailed recently for corruption. CW is *no* Kim Dae-Jung, and it's logical to assume that he knew fully of the c/overt designation of his son Devendra as the vehicle through which their joint abuse of public office for private gain was channeled. Legal proof is yet to come (it may or may not) but regardless, CW has disgraced himself, his proud district of Gorkha, his party NC, and the grand movement that led to democratic restoration in 1990. I wonder what KP Bhattarai - a squeaky clean jogi, but one who too has turned a helpless, blind eye to many corrupt ways around him - is thinking (CW has been a favorite KP protégé for 30 years).
I hope the laws of our land take their course to deliver Mr. Wagle and his son deserved judicial pain.
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Looking at the title, this thread is focused on one person; for my general
comments on issues of sleaze and vice, hopefully useful, pls. see another thread.
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 08:05 AM
Hi guruj:
I am not related to CW. Rest assured :) But you never know - the julebi saino. Besides, my forefathers *were* from Gorkha. No kidding.
I would be more interested in your take on Mahat's recent gripe that the controversial arms deal with Belgian government needs to be looked into. I for one don't take his comments lightly. As former finance minister, this man knows quite a bit.
Intriguingly, this is not the first time Mahat has spoken about the Army. While in the office, he had urged the army brass to be more transparent. Very, very meaningful indeed. If the country's finance minister tells the public that he doesn't have hisab-kitab of the institution whose khata-patra he's supposedly looking after, it means a lot. Food for thought. Hmmmmmm.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 09:07 AM
VV, I got it. -HG
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:08 AM
I think all these corrupt people should be behind bars... "Desh kasly chalouney rey"...Naya educated..broadminded..non ghusiya..ali ali laj bhaeyeko timi hami jasta ley chalouney nee haina ra?????
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| deep |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:18 AM
duitai wagle harulai aaglo layera......ye si ma jhyakne....do you know what I mean??
Desh chalaune ko ke kami? chhyas chhyasti chhan. Euta kam chalau mantri mandal ta ahile nai gathan gardinchhu...
Biswo [PM]
HahooGuru [Govt. spokeperson and also bina bibhagiya mantri]
Paschim [DPM-Griha]
Ashu [Artha]
Sangey[sanchar]
NK [Nari kalyan]
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Paramendra [RAKSHYA]
;-)
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| Deep and COMFS fan |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:22 AM
what posts will Deep and Comfs get?
Just wondering!!!!!!!!!!!!
:o)
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:29 AM
HEy can i be the ANTI BRAIN DRAIN minister ;) post haroo jatti thape ni bhayo ni........
I vow that i will still follow LORD BUDdhA's Principles ;)
(jus a thought!!)
agree with all the fellow sajhaites "ghoos dine ra line duwai desh ko satru hoon, yin lai fashi ma chadaye pani kunai pap lagne chaina" PNS :)
chill oys
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:40 AM
Oys_chill, you are right..ghus diney ra liney sabai Nepal ka satru hun...phansi ta ali deen mildaina tara.. gardan ma hat chak ma lat hanera jail pathouna paey ta khubai besh huntyo.
Ohho Hawaldar Girija or putri Sujata ko kati dhan rahecchha...kahiley auney hun teen ka baink report????
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| Mitra 2 |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 11:34 AM
Maobadi started ‘People’s war’ and instead of targeting people’s enemies they ended up killing sojha-sidha-nimukha janata. I see lack of policies and their cadres were highly undisciplined so the war became a disaster for the country. No too long ago people were supportive of Maoists. Journalists, intellectuals, professors, and all warned them to control their misdeeds (rape, chanda-sankalan, human shields, killings, destroying infrastructure and what not). What goes up must come down. And just like the market Maoists are going down. Maoists may not have envisioned this when they started the war. You may call it uneducated, unpractical, undemocratic, old thinking, and all, but many people have had hope for changes. Now it is simply washed away. Maoists pushed us nowhere if not behind.
There is another hope of corruption control. People are hopeful and excited about it. Many of us have raised questions saying who is the target and who is not. This is where you follow the policies of CIAA. The way they are handling the cases so far, I sense lack of policies. If they have good policies then they are not implementing it well. It seems like CIAA folks don’t know who their target is. Are they simply following newspapers and word of mouth? I get discouraged every time I read that CIAA has ordered banks to show transactions of such and such people. Corrupt officials should not be considered dumb so that they keep their wealth in banks. Another note, CIAA does not have to make news every time they make raid, detain someone, or investigating someone else. Go through the process and treat them according to our law. They all are innocent until proven guilty. Punish those who are guilty, and leave alone who are not. Don’t give us the false impression of your work publishing BIG news, which in reality are not. Do your job right. We don’t want this commission to die or become worthless before it does any work. Maoists le jasto sano lai target (news) banayera thulo bata chanda (ghus) ma milne chai nahos.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 11:50 AM
Biswo [PM] --- Single but Bachelor. No experience with own family: wife kids .. life is not that easy as Biswo looks here. I wish his PM ship does not fail like KPB'S one. He might fall in trap of girls as KPB did. Biswo, if I have followed up correctly, he is still single. I am dammn against a guy who never married to be fit for post of PM. First you should be PM of your home and learn what citizen under you expect. What is loyal, what is honest, why should you be honest and why should you use sometime, Asosthama hatohata. ... Benefit of doubt. .. . Reading Naipul'S 100s of books may not qualify. ... Hey I am just making him furious. Biswo ji if you are not furious over this paragraph, then, you are insensitive. Indian Army will invade Nepal, you will be keeping on reading Naipul's books, .... So, get some experience of family. Nepal Bahudal ka neta haru all were allare in their life, because they were always out of home before 2046, and did not what is family and whey they come to know family leader is also a micro PM, then , they funneled public resources to make their family cabinet most efficient anf prosporous. So, I suggest you to be PM of your home run it with your own legally run resources and try to manage it ... learn how to do it. Learn to be happy NOT first by drinking alcohol, but, first letting your family become happy and drink alcohol in khali pet and sleep, because the Nepali talab was so less, it is just enough to make your kids stomach full ... .. ..
Hehehehehe. . . . .. terible life desu ne.... If you can manage without loan or cheating, then, you will be best PM, I am confident on that. . . . ..
HahooGuru [Govt. spokeperson and also bina bibhagiya mantri] ------- Spokesman and HG, the worst combination i.e. least intersection between the quality of HG and quality required for a spokesman . HG, as somone wrote here, will not let any one ask question and every one will listen to HG, but, as sun sets, like ANepaliKT everyone will get lost what spokesman actually wanted to say at the beginning. . .. .
Paschim [DPM-Griha] ------- A man who could not confront with his own hune wala sasura to ask him whisk his daughter. I am wondering how far will he be able to confront Maobadis. Well, he can ask NTV to run Gauthali Bhurtel saga and tell that all Maoists leaders left earth. Confront with your hune wala sasura, and haath mag lo dost, unki beti ka. . . .. There you will surely have to flatter him, advertise yourself and play
politics ... But, don't let that Arth mantri who is also bachelor i.e. Ashu, to be your representative, he might overtake you, he is good in overtaking any one when required. ... Don't trust another bachelor in KT milaune kurama. . . . . Similarly,
when you run Guptachar Bhibag, it should be really working, not collecting pipalpate halla read from Deshantar or Bimarsha or Dristi ... Similarly, send a reliable man to become your lami, so that your hunewala sasura can whisk his daughter ... ....
Griha mantri needs to be diplomatic and tough, and very confidential. . .. . .. .
Well, Paschim who disassociated with CW for more than 8 years shows, he seems to
be strong, but, not very strong yet, because he could not appeal his hune wala sasura to whisk the daughter studying in PK.
Ashu [Artha] --- Artha mantri jyu will import everyting in the name of free market and open policy. He is from same univ. whose current President told when he was World Bank ... "head" that developing countries can import garbage and pollutions to increase entropy so that all countries have almost same entropy i.e. disorder. AShu, will give freedom to all the exporters to export their NABIKEKA SAMAN and old to very old cars in the name of free market ... We will be riding car, and I wonder whether car will be moving ... We will not have to work, because everything is produced abroad. Just import and import . . . . hehehhheeheh . .. bashi bashi khane dina feri aunechha Nepali ko . ... .
Sangey[sanchar] ------------- ?????????????????????????
NK [Nari kalyan] -------- I better opt Suna for Nari Kalyan Ministry. Because NK does not have enough time at the moment as her daughter is around her anywhere she go. Let her kid grow and she has more free time for Nari Kalyan. I suggest her to publish collection of her poems and so that she can be made Pragya Pratisthan and then, move her to Ministry of education, .. .. . so that we can all understand what is chhanda in those books ... So, I would suggest her for Ministry of Education.
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Paramendra [RAKSHYA] ---- Rakchya for Paramendra ... he is for everything freedom and he talks GLOBAL SOUTH blah blah ... goes above my head .... wow, .................... I think he is good for Bhumisudhar Ministry. . . . ..
I prefer Sitara for Rakchya Ministry. He knows protections mechanism. His defensive postings are full of plots difficult to understand .... Chhadke mardiyera kya garoh
huncha Sitara ko Musical strategy.
NePe is probably a most deserved candidate for foreign ministry.
ANepaliKT is good for Communiation ministry. She run the music ..... sastriya badan
i.e. 9:15am-9:30am in Radio Nepal. I like that s. badan, but, many say its URUSAI.
.... She can force NTv, Radio Nepal where to put full stop, where to put comma
and where to give high tone .... so that peoples will concentrate on Nepali media
and forget GTV. . .. .
Any disagreements are welcome from head.
HG
All these interpretations are exclusively for fun. No personal flames.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 11:53 AM
Paschim , lekhda lekhdai ta feri lamai po bhe chha ni to ho, som. K garne. narisau la. ...HG
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| ashu |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 12:13 PM
Village Voice:
Let's not divert the issue.
Ram Saran Mahat, who, let's face t, has a lousy sense of timing in almost everything he does, is just looking to score some cheap points by his RNA-related comments.
I mean, who is he trying to fool and what on earth is he trying to achieve?
Let me explain.
We all know that the Royal Nepal Army is NOT a transparent body.
Period.
Is that news?
No.
Do we need a former Finance Minister to drop hints to that effect in public?
No.
As a citizen, I would have been impressed if Mahat had gathered the courage to explain in detail -- on the basis of his past experiences at the Finance Ministry -- just how such
an arms-procurement game, as it were, is actualy played in Nepal, and whose cuts amount (ed) to how much, and so on and on.
Such an explanation -- with historical insights -- would have been an act of genuine public sevice, adding to our knowledge of how the game of 'commission' gets played
in Nepal. After all, let us NOT forget, this is NOT the first time that the RNA has boght
arms from foreign vendors.
That is why, just stamping your feet, pouting your lips and shouting "make yourself transparent" cut no ice on Mahat's part anymore.
At any rate, let's face it, the RNA -- staunchly backed by the Palace -- is just going to quietly laugh at Mahat's words, and that would be that. Kura khattam. At any rate, Mahat's comments may well be true, but because of the timing and political circumstances, it is easy to interpet his words as that of a spiteful sulker.
Which brings us back to the question: Except for doing damage to his own reputation (with the RNA's giving him a polite brush-off), just what was Mahat set out to do with
his remarks? You tell me.
Like I said, Mahat may be a great guy, but he is consistent in his display of a lousy
sense of timing.
The charges against Wagle are SERIOUS enough for him to resign and leave.
Sure, you can give him ALL the benefit of doubt you want, but Wagle should resign,
and THEN look for ways to CLEAR his name (assuming he is nnocent) by co-operating with the investigatiors. You can't be accused of serious crimes, and yet go to bury your head in sand, as if nothing were amiss.
That s why, it's arrogantly foolish of Wagle to to stick to political power as though he and his goddamn son somehow accumulated that much wealth just by -- ahem -- working
hard. After all, you can tell a lie here, and you can tell a lie there, but pretty soon it all adds up to a pretty big hole for you to fall into and get stuck to.
We Nepali janata may well be a lot of things.
But, come on, we don't like to be treated like stark raving idiots.
Wagle first.
Then GRJ.
Then Khum Bahadur.
Then Gacchedar.
Then Girija and his daughter
Then one by one, we - the janata -- have to slam and legally punsh these corrupt, raping and plundering and pillaging Congressis and their corrupt counterparts from
other political parties.
Enough is enough.
It's as simple as that.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| denizen khane |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 12:51 PM
hg-ji,
don't interrupt diogenes, i mean ashutosh, lest he *enlighten* you with that lamp of his!
my theory: the only corrupt people in nepal are those who are not corrupt. think about it...it's kalyug, y'all!!!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 06:25 PM
Ashu writes:
As a citizen, I would have been impressed if Mahat had gathered the courage to explain in detail -- on the basis of his past experiences at the Finance Ministry -- just how such
an arms-procurement game, as it were, is actualy played in Nepal, and whose cuts amount (ed) to how much, and so on and on.
--
This is what I meant last time. I am not sure how far Mahat is clean himself,
as a finance minister, he handled many things, and one of them he could
have done was the money used by Home Minister distributed to anyone
without receipt or any cause. I guess the annual loss from Home Minister's
recommendation in the name of GUPTACHAR could be more than the corruption
in RNA deal alone. He could do it directly, but, he always played with
Girija ... to make the money. What he sees now is by criticizing RNA (I agree
RNA should have transparent accounting) he joins the voice of Girija
and Girija was forced out of office because of help not offered by Army
last year. Now, Girija and his associates can not pour their anger in
Royal Palace, thus, they use RNA to put their dissatisfaction against
Royal Palace. We have to look through this angle. In any sense, if Girija
is alive for another 5 years,we will probably hear him in Jail like we heard
Narasingha Rao ................. a few years back.
Girija and his associates are fishing their vote by pouring anger against
RNA, because its RNA that forced Girija out of Singha Durbar.
HG
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| keta manche |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 06:58 PM
guru ji I'm there to sign any petition to make Wagle to resign and send his son to jail.
Viras Ji
from your reply, I can make an intelectual assumption that u're that "kaag". you're the one who just like to talk.guru ji is encouraging us to get into action ( am I right guru ji) and 'm there. its just my nature that I like action.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 07:43 PM
I remember talking with VillageVoice about a year ago about 'corruption' in Nepal.
It is virtually impossible to root out corruption, but we need to create an atmosphere
where no venal officer can breach the public trust with impunity. We need to have
a mechanism where we will nail them whether in their 80s, or in their 90s. Like
Pinochet, those who were venal should be nailed whenever, wherever the system
can apprehend them.
Our conversation was that we have a system in the place,and that one day in NC
(or in UML) a fine gentle idealist boy will gain power, and like Zedillo in Mexico,
he will insidiously torch the edifices of cards made by the corrupts and
despicable ones. The only challenge for us would be to make a system where
honest, uncorrupted boys could gain power, and that system is not a regime directly
under monarch or that is not any rule under any autocracy.
I thought(still think) it would take about twenty to thirty years to nail Khum
Bdr Khadka etc. No one can always be powerful.Not anymore. No corrupt leader
in Nepal is that strong in feigning integrity that he would survive the long
scrutiny of rest of us.
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At the same time, I agree with Villagevoice when he says media is creating
sensational trials, and the criminals need to have their day in court. Everyone
likes to see how CIAA fares in the court, how evidences are presented, what
the denoument will be. When CIAA lost almost all his cases in court, people
were utterly disappointed with it in the past. I mean, come on, CIAA couldn't
even prove anything against Mr Lawati during that glaring reign of vice in
Trishanku Government era.
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As for Mr Mahat and his cheapshots, I agree with Ashu. People should forget
earning some points by hurling cheap shots in the market. Hari Pande went
on to be a clown: he was beset by remorse, but lacked courage to reveal
the name of those people who made him corrupt. Well, if CIAA were efficient,
he would be showing that show in penitentiary in Pokhara long ago, not on his
car.
Mr Mahat, Mr Ram Chandra Poudel, Mr Bharat Mohan Adhikari, these people
know the internal games more than anyone around. They have reached
the pinnacle of power,they failed to demonstrate their integrity, they failed
to bring any change: worse ,they wallowed in the faeces of corruption and
came out licking each other. When they exclaim with artificial joy at the
deeds of CIAA, we can only smirk back at them.
Election is coming, and we are listening to them, because we have no one else
to listen to. We are electing them, because we don't seem to have any credible
alternatives to elect. They created this same 'limited' system ,where parties
not the electoral decide who would run, for their safeguarding.Frankly
this system is worse than that of China where CCP decides who would run,But
this system is bound to be fleeting. Because nowhere in the world has truth
succumbed to vice perennially.
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Deepji, thanks for making me PM. And Hahooguruji is right, first I should show
some ability: starting from (making) my house. Deepji, can't believe you were
making a council of ministry of bachelors.
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:02 PM
Agreed, Mahat is no saint.
But who's, Ashu, in Nepal's current political arena. When everyone is a crook, you at least acknowledge people who are relatively less crooked. The alternative: dissmiss everybody, everything.
I for one wouldn't go so far as to discredit Mahat for his recent comment about RNA. What's wrong if one politician tries to score points over another so long as they have a point? And here Mahat certainly has.
Aren't these little exercises the very bedrock of a democracy - they work as deterrents, whatever the motive behind them.
For instance, one can dissmiss GPK's recent remarks that PM Deuba is too paly with the Palace as scoring "cheap points" over his poltical nemesis. But it is also a voice of caution, lest the Prime Minister goes too far, "Careful, Deuba, we are watching you." One likes to put a high premium on GKP's comments, therefore. Again, though, much like Mahat, GPK is no saint himself. And everyone knows his strong differences with Deuba.
Well, RNA is *not* a transparent institution, but how many in the cabinet have acknowledged that publicly? Not Deuba, who probably has dealt most with the army top brass in recent times. Ashu's claim that Mahat didn't say anything new about RNA sounds much like what people told Columbus when he returned to Europe, flushed with excitement after discovering a new continent, "You didn't do anything new. You went to a place that was always there."
When heroes become a rarity, little heroic acts are enough to me. Just my thoughts. You don't have to agree with me Ashu :)
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Sep-02 10:09 PM
Agreed, Mahat is no saint.
But who's, Ashu, in Nepal's current political arena. When everyone is a crook, you at least acknowledge people who are relatively less crooked. The alternative: dissmiss everybody, everything.
I for one wouldn't go so far as to discredit Mahat for his recent comment about RNA. What's wrong if one politician tries to score points over another so long as they have a point? And here Mahat certainly has.
Aren't these little exercises the very bedrock of a democracy - they work as deterrents, whatever the motive behind them.
For instance, one can dissmiss GPK's recent remarks that PM Deuba is too paly with the Palace as scoring "cheap points" over his poltical nemesis. But it is also a voice of caution, lest the Prime Minister goes too far, "Careful, Deuba, we are watching you." One likes to put a high premium on GKP's comments, therefore. Again, though, much like Mahat, GPK is no saint himself. And everyone knows his strong differences with Deuba.
Well, RNA is *not* a transparent institution, but how many in the cabinet have acknowledged that publicly? Not Deuba, who probably has dealt most with the army top brass in recent times. Ashu's claim that Mahat didn't say anything new about RNA sounds much like what people told Columbus when he returned to Europe, flushed with excitement after discovering a new continent, "You didn't do anything new. You went to a place that was always there."
When heroes become a rarity, little heroic acts are enough to me. Just my thoughts. You don't have to agree with me Ashu :)
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| ashu |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 12:00 AM
Village Voice wrote:
"What's wrong if one politician tries to score points over another so long as they have a point? And here Mahat certainly has. Aren't these little exercises the very bedrock of a democracy - they work as deterrents, whatever the motive behind them."
OK, V V, when you put it like this, yes, then, I take your point.
Agreed that "these little exercises [form] the very bedrock of a democracy", though Mahat, we all agree, could have done better.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 04:23 AM
Hahooguru writes:
"Ashu [Artha] --- Artha mantri jyu will import everyting in the name of free market and open policy. He is from same univ. whose current President told when he was World Bank ... "head" that developing countries can import garbage and pollutions to increase entropy so that all countries have almost same entropy i.e. disorder."
Guru-ji,
As someone who admires Larry Summers, the president, personally and intellectually, please allow me to set that old story about him straight by referring you to:
http://www.harvard-magazine.com/archive/01mj/mj01_feat_summers_2.html
As an aside, on this site, I had predicted -- in November 2000, to be precise -- that
Larry would be chosen as the president. :-)
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Satya |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 04:31 AM
Don't expect CW to resign on his own. Only one way to force him resign is GUN! While we are talking democracy, rule of law, human right etc. GUN is not the desired option. Murkha dekhi daiba daraucha. The question is how ro deal with such crooks in our present day situation.
Of course, Deauba could fire him but he is also oohi diang ko mula.
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 07:54 AM
Ashu,
I agree with you that Mahat would have done a far better job if he had bothered to elaborate. But I would still pay him his dues that he at least dared point finger at RNA (whatever his intention), which is increasingly being treated as sacrosanct, much like the Panchayat days.
My gut feeling: some select generals are as corrupt as bureaucrats, politicians, and the judges, if not more. But what really bothers me is the fact that no one wants to take on these men in uniform while politicians and bureaucrats are being (correctly) butchered left and right.
It wasn't my intention to divert the debate from CW and charges of corruption against him. I was only following the time-honored practice here to take a detour to reflect on related topics.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 08:17 AM
VV: It wasn't my intention to divert the debate from CW and charges of corruption against him.
--
it surely conveys a strong message to me, who is most irrelevant in this thread.
I meant my postings. Sorry guys. BTW, I read article on Summers, as provided
by Ashu. .......... Anyway, it gives very important message to the world that
select best word when you write things.. So, I also have to be careful here not
to detour this important thread. ... Anyway, I am going to post this thread
in
http://www.n-c-p.org/ dedicated corrupt Nepal's corrupt politicians.
Nepal Corrupt Party .... Peoples.
HG
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 08:37 AM
Hi Biswo:
Tks for the acknowledgement.
It was a very interesting conversation. The irony of Nepali politics: the likes of Khum Bahadur and Govinda Raj Joshi have established themselves while law-abiding politicians don't have pokcets deep enough to finance their elections, if they are lucky to get a party ticket at all.
To me, Ramhari Johsi (former NC lawmaker, from Malangwa?) was a picture of virtue in Parliament.
As Minister of Education, he would religiously sit through long sessions in Parliament when his portfolio was being discussed (never mind, if he was the only member of the cabinet present), and would often take down detailed notes. Dressed mostly in khaki kurta and suruwal, his responses were to the point, though he wasn't extremely articulate.
Interestingly, the soft-spoken leader got routinely "bullied" by younger and more agressive Kangressis, say the likes of Govinda Raj Joshi. But he seemed to have deep-seated confidence in his abilities, and seldom got provoked. Five or six years on, where is Ramhari in NC politics now.
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| himali |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 11:43 AM
Hahoo Guru ji....
You forgot the "S" in the "He"...... I am a "she"!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guruji...you must be one of those "celibate" original gurus.... Can't pick up the "phereamones of a woman?" come now! :P
No wonder paramendra ji got so confused!!! (my oppologies paramendraji...your guru led you astray!)
SITARA for Defence huh....I guess feminine wiles are more lethal...ho? ;)
Guru ji...you can take on the Ministry of Celibacy.....lots of virgin territory here (refer to Girls will you date me) !!!! :P
Ashu ji..you can be the "MODERATOR" in the ZERO hour discussions!
Order! Order! (zero corrections!!!!!!!)
:)
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| himali |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 11:48 AM
SITARA aka HIMALI!!!!!!
ok...don't want to confuse you further!!! ;)
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| Satya |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 12:04 PM
Hello Comrades,
This is thread was originated by ashu for serious discussion but it is heading for "GAIJATRA" now!
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 12:08 PM
Ashu,
You have been sharp to criticize people, who deserve for corruption. Don't you know about the civil rights?
CIAA does not have right to violate the civil rights. The possession of wealth by Debendra Wagle is not of CIAA business. Debendra is not a public figure, so he does not have to be pulic with his possession of wealth. It is a wrong way of CIAA. It is a shame of CIAA. It is violation of civil rights by CIAA. One thing is that he can be accused of smuggling, but not abuse of power so that CIAA is in a mean in regards of Debendra. All of you are againt him just because of Jelousy and cowardness.
There are thousands of plice officers who deserve for helping all the smuggler in Kathmandu. Where was the CIAA, while all the valuable "Murti" were smuggled in different countries? Does CIAA have any data of smugglers? Can it go after all of the smugglers?
Tug of war
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| ashu |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 12:24 PM
Paschim wrote:
"1. What the Judicial Commission on Property Investigation and the CIAA are doing is most laudable. We should strike when the iron is hot -- they have the public support and they have the legal authority -- so both the Commissions must go all the way. This is also the time to empower them with additional material means - more staff, more equipment, more funds. "
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Agreed, Paschim.
But lets face it: You have said much; yet you haven't really said anything new.
Let me explain.
If you really care about CIAA this much, then, as a matter of strategy, you
should actually goad -- either in person or by writing in public domains including
sajha.com -- the CIAA to go after Wagle PRECISELY the way it went after
those 22 lower officers.
Why?
The CIAA -- the currency of which is nothing but PUBLIC TRUST -- is in a precarious position now.
If the CIAA does NOT go after Wagle, especially with that much evidence against
him -- dug up and presented by Kantipur, the newspaper, for one -- where, my
friend, would be CIAA's standing in the public mind?
People will have reasons to think that the CIAA only goes after the lower and relatively petty officers and somehow can do nothing against powerful mantris and spares other assorted bigwigs.
Is that -- going after the only lower oficers and sparing those above -- what we all
want CIAA to do, especally now?
No.
So?
The only option is: Urge, goad and encourage CIAA NOT to spare Wagle et al (sure, give them a FAIR hearing, make everything OPEN and TRANSPARENT and all that), lest the CIAA's own recently enhanced reputation be damaged and the amount of PUBLIC TRUST it has earned so far be squandered.
For any well-wisher of CIAA, how difficult is this to grasp?
As for giving additional resources to CIAA, well, let the request come from CIAA itself:
Only they -- and NOT us -- know what they need and how much they need to do their job properly. Once their request for additional resources enters the PUBLIC domain, there will surely be support from the public.
[Latest news: CIAA has summoned Wagle-putra for a hearing. That's a good start.]
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Paschim wrote:
"The current drive should be expanded to turn it into a most comprehensive anti-sleaze campaign the kingdom has ever seen. It is good that the Commissions have begun inquiring about well-known names: Chiranjivi Wagle and Govinda Joshi et al., and they have today asked details of 16 more: Khum Bahadur Khadka, Bal Bahadur KC, Bijaya Gachhedaar, Rabindra Sharma, Bharat Mohan Adhikari, Mohan Basnet, Palten Gurung, et al. Girija Prasad Koirala and his daughter too. Even Deuba and the UML folks shouldn't be spared. They too can't pretend to be a "pani mathi ko ovano". Frying big political fish is most important. But slowly the rest have to be covered too, there's just too much unfinished business -- those from the Panchayat days, those in the judiciary, the police and the army, the ex officials of the Palace, and of course all present and past senior civil servants, especially the Secretaries. The grime has to be totally wiped."
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Again, you have said much. But you have not anything new.
As a matter of pure strategy, let us -- as Nepali janata -- score a few relatively SMALL victories first, be strong about those victories and then CONTINUE to go for bigger kills, as it were. One at a time -- surely but steadily, with a sharp focus.
That's because, if we go after everyone all at once now, then our resources will be strained, our efforts will be diluted and my fear is that we will simply end up with just another verson of, say, "Pacchis (25) sutriya maag" that our leftist friends are
notorious for bandying about and NEVER getting any result for.
Surely, none of us want that, do we?
More to the point, by putting the spotlight on Wagle for now, NO ONE is sparing
the others that Paschim has named above.
[Aside: it's interesting to note how low a profile that Khum Bahadur Khadka -- the current Home Minister -- is keeping these days.]
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Paschim wrote:
3. But as the investigations proceed, we as responsible citizens should refrain from conducting sensational legal trials through the media. Let the official legal mechanisms take their course. They may be wanting, and we should do everything we can to strengthen these legal courses, but it’s having strong systems and processes that matters; personalities come and go. We should punish the guilty, but no innocent ones should be harassed. As Ganesh Raj Sharma once said, our legal "doctrine" is structured in such a way that a hundred guilty men may walk free, but not a single innocent person shall be convicted of wrongdoing that he or she did not commit.
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This sounds philosophical, but is actually, as lawyers say, a MOOT point.
No one is asking that the innocent be punished for crimes they did not commit.
Reasonable Nepalis can ask , however, the the accused be given a chance to DEFEND
themselves against these charges of corruption by actually CO-OPERATING with the CIAA.
In the case of Wagle, assuming that he is innocent, his strategy should be: NOT continue to dish out bullshit after bullshit as though we the janata were idiots but
resign immediately and make way for investigations to continue.
I mean, he can't go on using the same political privilege, which he stands accused
of having abused.
If he is innocent -- which, let's say he is -- he has NOTHING to fear, and, once his
gets a clean bill of health, as it were, well, he can well go on to capitalize further on his being a, well, non-corrupt politician.
It's as simple as that.
The question is: Why isn't this guy taking this route if he continues to insist that he is innocent?
___________________________
Pachim wrote:
"On a personal note, displeased with the direction Chiranjivi Wagle, a prominent politician from my own district, was taking, I first distanced myself, then boycotted social ties with him beginning some eight years ago."
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Paschim,
I respect your right to choose the decisions you make for yourself.
But, without mincing words I think your decision above is a cop-out, and is, frankly, at odds with your democratic credentials.
Here's why.
You are a voter -- possibly an influential one -- in your district.
You obviously believe in democracy.
You also say that we need to "revive our faith in our democracy"
Fair enough.
But what I do NOT understand is this: How do you as a voter even hope to revive our faith in our democracy if your individual personal choice is:
NOT to engage yourself in a debate/dialogue/discussion/counter-arguments and what not with your own Member of Parliament (with an aim to possibly influence him, even when you don't like him and even when he doesn't like you)
but to boycott and avoid him altogether?
(And, let's say, for he sake of argument, if your action were to be fllowed by all of us in our own domains, what then would we be left with? Voters who boycott and avoid their own Members of Parliament. This, my friend, hardly sounds like a way of reviving our faith in our democracy, which, by definition calls NOT for avoidance and boycotts but
for more involvement, more engagement with the political decision-making processes.)
For democracy to thrive, you well know that we need MORE and NOT fewer and fewer engagements:
with the political processes,
with the publicly elected netas (even when we don't like them and vice versa), and
with the political structures .
We should do all that in an effort to do our small, small bits to make all of them a little better, a little more transparent, and a little more accountale to us. Democracy, if we agree is a process, then every bit of such engagement only HELPS that process to do
its job of REPRESENTING us well.
Sure, we can avoid and boycott doing all of that for whatever (personal and public) reasons, but then let's be clear that such a 'micro' decision is ultimately INCONSISTENT with our professed 'macro' desire to revive faith in our democracy. I just wanted to point this out to you.
And on a larger note, when when peoplemake such decisions for themselves, and thereby make themselves distant, aloof and even "choko" from the very aspects of democratic process they find unsavory, what right do they have to turn around and
talk about reviving faith in democracy?
If I were in Paschim's shoes, I would, as a voter from the same district, actually meet with Wagle, share my concerns and persistently look for ways to influence/nudge him
in positive directions.
If Wagle refuses to change his ways, then the least I, as a voter engaged with the democratic process, would/could say is: "Well, I tried what I could and failed."
I'd rather live with that failure while continuing to look for ALTERNATIVES to Wagle himself than remain aloof and distant take what may appear to be perversely anti-septic pride in my avoidance of Wagle, the representative (REGARDLESS of what I think of him).
But like I said, we all have a right to make our personal choices.
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Paschim wrote:
"Again, being careful of not conducting trials through the media (or on Sajha.com) and projecting false pretensions of moral superiority, I want to see this great anti-sleaze campaign continue objectively to embrace more crooks. To paraphrase Lincoln, "with no malice and no charity." Let it take a long time and may it also cost a lot of money. We can afford that."
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This is a noble thought.
But let's be realistic here.
There are 14 news dailies in Kathmandu.
The media market here is pretty competitive.
All the newspapers are hungry for news and for news that sell the papers.
There is very little peer-to-peer or industry-wide regulation.
Given the above, yes, despite our noble thoughts, we are likely to see some sort of "trials through the media", especially given the kind of public fury/resentment that the wealth of Wagle has generated.
This is the price we have to pay for living with (relatively) FREE PRESS.
Solution?
Well, one person's idea of "trials through the media" may be another person's idea of investigative journalism, or yet another person's idea of muckraking journalism.
This is why we as citizens need to go beyond noble thoughts of "this-should-happen-that-should happen" mindset and really try to understand WHY these so-called ""trials through the media" are HAPPENING in the first place.
That the Nepali janata are mad as hell about these venal politicians would be a good premise to start understanding why all these reports against the politicians are appearing in the newspapers (and the Internet).
In a spirit of public debates on issues discussed here, further disagreements, thoughts, modifications and even criticisms (positive and negative) are welcome.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| no offence |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 12:25 PM
ritu,
do you think son of kim dae jung is not a public figure?
do you think son of suharto is not a public figure?
do you think husband of benzir bhutto is not a public figure?
do you think wife of ferdinand marcos~imelda marcos is not a public figure?
do you think brother of nawaj sharif is not a public figure?
do you think daughters of boris yeltsin are not a public figure?
do you think daughter of girija koirala is not a public figure?
do you think citizens beyond public figures have right to do corrupted activities?
do you think to take and give bribe is civil right?
do you think some activities which are defined as a crime by state law are also within civil rights?
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 12:38 PM
All of them are (were) not a public figures. They were just a family member of the public figures. You can not accuse anyone, unless you have a vaid license to act againt anyone.
How about your father himself ? what degree of corruption did you father deserve, while he was on the desk? If you say your father is a symbol of a good character of all means, then let him be a CIAA chief. Your father is one of the corrupt beaurocrate, every one knows it. So, think of your father and your possession in Kathmandu. You can be charged of smuggling and your father can be accused of corruption at the same time. Be prepare for facing the CIAA, if it does stand for Justice. Remember, it was a Panchayet Regime, while your father was in power.
Good luck
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| no offence |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 12:54 PM
hey ritu,
my father was a school teacher for more than 25 years and retired now. Also not from kathmandu as u said.
you may again blame him as a bihari certificate walla.
answer is NO.
>>If you say your father is a symbol of a good character of all means
Yes, my father is a symbol of good character for me who never drink, never
smoke, even a pure vegetarian, I am proud to write this lines now coz' today is a father's day, but I am very far away from my respected father.
>>, then let him be a CIAA chief
alas! he is not from LAW background.
>>So, think of your father and your possession in Kathmandu.
we have no possession in kathmandu.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 12:55 PM
Sorry guys,
I just realized that the stuff I posted a few minutes ago should have been tagged on to the thread started by Paschim, and titled "On sleaze..."
It was by mistake I posted my response here.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| no offence |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 01:05 PM
Then, Ritu, It's your turn to tell something about your father. I already finished my DUTY here. :-)
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| ashu |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 01:19 PM
Ritu wrote:
"Debendra is not a public figure, so he does not have to be pulic with his possession of wealth."
You are absolutely right.
Debendra is NOT a public figure.
But there are these inconvenient charges that he has made lots of money.
Sure, having lots of money in Nepal is NOT a crime.
And so, it is quite possible that Debendra made all his money (millions and millions of rupees) NOT through his father's guanxi (or connections) but through his own hard
and honest work since 1990 .
If so, he has nothing to fear, hoina ta?
And if that is the case, the CIAA -- whose business, as dictated by Nepal's laws IS to figure out whether one has ABUSED one's position of power and privilege. among others to make oneself and one's kith and kin rich -- will probably say, "Oh, sorry, Devendra, for troubling you unnecessarily. Here have a water-melon."
Let us wish Debendra well as he confidently goes on to prove to CIAA that all his
wealth comes from his own hard work, for which he is justly famous.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 03:39 PM
in positive directions.
I'd rather live with that failure while continuing to look for ALTERNATIVES to Wagle himself than remain aloof and distant take what may appear to be perversely anti-septic pride in my avoidance of Wagle, the representative (REGARDLESS of what I think of him).>
Very well argued, Ashu. Paschim, for argument's sake, will do well to "persistently look for ways to influence/nudge in positive directions" rather than take "what may appear to be perversely anti-septic pride in my avoidance of Wagle."
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 07-Sep-02 03:54 PM
Thanks Ashu,
Now, you have came out with a sense of understanding of Justice. Tell me why CIAA is doing investigation in regards of Debendra? What is the theme of CIAA? For what respect, the CIAA has been formed? CIAA, itself, is abousing its power and authority doing investigation of the possession of wealth by Debendra. Justice should be done without harming anyone else.
CIAA will be the name of utter failure after election. There is no doubt about it. CIAA is in scene just because of spliting of NC recently, there is nothing use of it. Let the CIAA chief go to hell after election.
CIAA could not convict Sr. Wagle and it is not being able to convict Sr. Joshi.
Cheers
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| Himali |
Posted
on 08-Sep-02 11:28 PM
Hi
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 07:24 AM
Here Wagle makes news.
 http://www.n-c-p.org/images/wagleresign.gif
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| ashu |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 08:52 AM
Wagle's resignation is the BEST news of the week.
(The worst news, of course, is the fact that more than 100 Nepali soldiers and policemen got killed in Arghakhachi last night (Sunday) and today (Monday).)
Here's to hoping that Wagle gets a FAIR trial in which justice wll be served to the
fullest.
Since evidence against CW and his immediate family appear to be overwhelming at the moment, here's also to hoping that Wagle's political career is FINISHED forever. We, he janata, do NOT want him back as our representative in any capacity.
Finally, may the good voters of Gorkha elect someone else, someone much better -- intellectually, personally, politically and morally -- as their repesentative
in November, 2002.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 09:05 AM
Dear Ashu,
Why KOL is silent ? That surprises me, suspects whether this is true news
or mere a rumor.
Please confirm it.
Thanks.
HG
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| alnepali |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 09:08 AM
Wagle's RESIGNATION and his JAIL TERM should NOT be the end of his CORRUPT world. ALL the STOLEN assets should also be confiscated and utilized for the benefit of the general public at large.
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| nepalipan |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 09:26 AM
Ashu Jee,
What is going on about Govind Raj Joshi? We are very eager to hear about him and cases agains him. We do not want him back in the political arena!
Kindly post if you have any information about it. Thanks.
Nepalipan
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 09:56 AM
Ritu now changes her move: Baleko Aago Tapne. Her great guy CW
seems to have resigned, who found ways to send her to USA. Now,
she suddenly writes and worries about :Who does take care of all the "Laxmi-es" in Nepal? Does this current govt. take care of "Laximi-es" for a healthy society and life of all Nepalese?
Till yesterday, CW and GRJ were god, their accumulation of ilegal money was a matter of pride to her, now she talks about poor Laxmies ... Shame on you, Ritu. Tomorrow, your tone may change again back to supporting the corrupts, who you should know were the sole reason behind miserable conditions of Laxmies. You should not show here Crocodile Tears. .................
HG
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 11:22 AM
HahooGuru,
I have not changed my mind of supporting all the top political personalities in Nepal. It does not matter who they are and what acts they have deserved back days, even Jogmeher Shrestha, who was the "commander" of resolving the students movement in 2036 BS. I have respect to him and his career even he had ordered to destroy my village at that time. I sound kind of different. I do not hate him, but my villagers challenged his line of duty of Home Minister at that time. It is all about "POLITCS".
Regarding "Laxmi Karki", she is not a victim of CW and GRJ. How can you say that all the "Laxmi-es" are the victim of CW and GRJ? They were appointed several times in the cabinet during NC regime. CW may be convicted, but the system does not respond as it supposed to do. I bet, NC(deupa and Girija) does not run with out those all the top figures and at the same time, with out NC, there will not be a precise and good regime as of democracy in Nepal.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 07:32 PM
If some one read your recent postings under this thread and some other thread,
anyone can detect that mismatching of your postings ... you sometime tell
that gus khori garera kamauna sakne la kamauchha .... sometime else ...
look so confused .....haina ta... you are either crocodile, or toooooooooooooooooo
confused, ..... sometime you ask peoples to support Maoists ... now you tell that
NC is apariharya in Nepal ....... Are you made of GEL or jeri? I feel pity on you.
HG
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| wagle resigned |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 09:09 PM
Wagle resigns
KOL Report
KATHMANDU, Sept 10 – Minister for Physical Planning and Works Chiranjivi Wagle who has been the centre of corruption charges for some time is believed to have resigned from the Council of Ministers.
According to informed sources, Wagle submitted his resignation to Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba at the latter’s office in Singha Durbar Monday afternoon
The Prime Minister is yet to forward it to the King. Wagle and his son had been interrogated by the CIAA last week following publication of ‘corruption’ charges against them. Wagle is believed to have told the PM that he was quitting the post in order to facilitate of free probe into the charges. (sm)
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