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| ghorey |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 11:44 AM
Now that new threads can be posted, here is a message that might be of interest to you.
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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:27:41 -0700
From: Ben Parks
To: ptet@directcon.net
Subject: WORLD WIDE ALERT : Nepali going to trial September 17 (h-m)
Hello Sept. 8, 2002 @ 11:10 am in
Kathmandu
This is the first of several messages to be
broadcast to everyone on my mail list.
It concerns the upcoming , September 19, trial
of Hari Bahadur Gurung and Pore Ghale.
They are currently prisoners at Klong Prem Prison
in Bangkok.
They have been framed in a drug deal of 7.5 Kg of
heroin.
Without immediate legal support they will most
surely get the death penalty.
I will provide briefs on their cases in a few
hours.
All of you must contact the Ministry of Foreign
affairs in Kathmandu
and ALL Nepal embassy staff in Bangkok and the
USA.
Urge their immediate support and intervention.
It is stupid and careless to have Nepali citizens
get the death penalty when they are innocent.
The case of Ang Kami Lama is also very close as
this is the one year anniversary of his arrest.
I will also provide a brief on his case in a few
hours.
Additional postings will be made to:
PTET-Nepal Committee in KTM
soc.culture.nepal
GBNC
global Nepali student networks.
We lost the opportunity to provide support for
Arun Kumar Tamang, on July 15
He went to his final appeal without any support or
legal consul.
His LIFE sentence was sustained.
This is really a tragedy and disgrace.
Thank you for your kind attention.
Please stand-by for the details.
Ben Parks,
PTET-Nepal Committee, USA.
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 11:56 AM
Too sad to hear it. Sorry for them. How could they fly to Bankok form Kathmandu with 7.0 kg illegal drugs? What was the story behind that? Why all the Magars and Ghale-s are in Bankok jail? Let's do some thing for them as long as we can.
tears.......
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 01:11 PM
Ghorey ji,
Are you sure that these people did not carry drugs?? Heroine is a very very addictive drug and I have no sympathy for the carriers. What can we really do if a person is dumb enough to carry 7 kgs of heroine and go to Bangkok, right?
Ritu Ji,
your statement about Ghaleys and Magars definitely shows how racists you are.
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 02:03 PM
A Ghale does not want to be called "Ghale" and he/she has proud to be a "Ghale". What is that? Isn't it a way to be racists themselve? It's for all the caste in Nepal. In kathmandu, Jhapu-s do not like to be called "Jhapu", what is that? However, they are proud to be Jhapu anyway.
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| bewildered |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 02:37 PM
ritu,
what is sad carrying illegal drugs or being on the jail?
i guess they knew the consequences before they agreed to carry it.
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| Bhenda |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 02:42 PM
Its not calling them Ghaley or Magar, Its the way you said it...."why all Ghaleys and Magars in Bangkok jail??" You are trying to stereotype them and by the way I am not a Ghaley or Magar.
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| Ritu |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 04:03 PM
Keta haroo,
Jhagada Nagarra, Prem Garra, Prem.
Sabai Tika Thakai Chha,
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| ghorey |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 04:25 PM
i was simply passing along an email message that i received last night. i do not presume the accused nepalis' guilt or innocence in this case and have not done any research, as i indicated in my initial posting of this under the thread "breaking news". perhaps nepalis and others in this forum and elsewhere will take as much or more interest in this as subash gurung's case. hieraunla...
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| Euta Thita |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 04:54 PM
Damn. Isn't that too draconian? I am all for cutting off genitalia of a rapist, hands of a thief and head of a serial killer, but death penalty for selling drugs is too harsh a punishment. Industrialized nations should impose a sanction on Thailand. Now That should teach them a lesson or two.
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| arnico |
Posted
on 09-Sep-02 08:37 PM
Ghoray, you posted the message from Mr. Parks without including his e-mail address. Would you be able to forward his message to me by e-mail as well, or get him to contact me?
No promises, but I may know some people in Bangkok who might be able to look into the case. Mr. Parks claims they were framed. I don't know whether they were framed, plain stupid, or willingly carried illegal substances. What I do know is that Thailand takes illegal drug possession VERY seriously, even giving border guards the right to shoot *suspected* drug traders. Thailand has seen enough of its youths fall victim to drugs that it has strong reason to make life uncomfortable for drug peddlers.
I don't know how much we can be done for them at this point (they will at least get a long jail sentence), but we should make sure that
(1) the Nepali embassy in Bangkok does not just sit there doing nothing when two of its citizens are in trouble (as Nepali embassies elsewhere have done in the past)... that it makes sure they get a decent lawyer and that embassy staff are present at the trial. Any Nepali students from AIT participating on sajha: now it is your turn to act and go lobbying or helping out at that green building on Sukhumvit Soi 71.
and
(2) whatever their final plight, that it gets spread by the Nepali news media to discourage others from following their path.
Arnico.
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| ghorEy |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 10:08 AM
http://www.bangkwang.net/pen-pal/klogprem/ramgurng/20020617.htm
http://www.bangkwang.net/press/rn020427.jpg
http://www.bangkwang.net/ptet/on-line.htm
arnico,
I received Mr. Parks's email message through a fourth party. Unfortunately, I cannot locate his email address. I hope some of these links might help. Perhaps enlisting the help of Nepali-Thai Buddhist exchange groups would help remind the Thai authorities of the Compassionate Buddha. At this late date, just about anything's worth a try.
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| nhuchche |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 12:14 PM
More below:
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| ghorey |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 02:22 PM
thanks to nhuchche. at least it's good to know that some people who care are fighting for the accused.
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| NepaliThitti |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 03:55 PM
Hello Ghoreyji,
I am sorry to hear about our fellow Nepalese but I have to agree with the rest that I too have NO sympathy for people who do illegal things. And drugs..They should be hanged.
I have to agree with Ritu here- why do these Bhotes, Gurungs & Magars put themselves in these kind of disgraceful lime light?? We had Subash Gurug here doing something similarly crazy and now these stupid guys in Bangkok.
I am NOT racist but it's the mere fact.And we have to accept it!
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| ghorey |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 04:04 PM
the whole point is that these guys were probably FRAMED, but i guess the mere fact that they're nepali is sufficient to prove guilt by association, for you at least. if you're not going to help in this effort, then please stay out of it.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 04:53 PM
NepaliThitti:
You might want to call yourself *"whatever-ethnic-group-you-belong-to"thiti* rather than Nepalithiti. Even so, you would be doing a grave injustice to all the others of your particular ethnic group because from what you have said thus far you surely don't represent your ethnic group in a positive light!
"I have to agree with Ritu here- why do these Bhotes, Gurungs & Magars put themselves in these kind of disgraceful lime light?? We had Subash Gurug here doing something similarly crazy and now these stupid guys in Bangkok. "
Did you even read the original thread and the update posted by nuchche?
Saying "I am not being racist, but..." just does not cut it! I am saying this after reading your comments (why do these Bhotes, Gurungs & Magars put themselves in these kind of disgraceful lime light?? Was the word "bhote" even mentioned in any of the posts so far? huh?) Yeah, Ritu said some crap about how "jhapu" (what the hell is that? must have meant "Jyapu"!) and Ghales not wanting to be called that. From what I know Ghales are proud to call themselves Ghales as a general rule. As for Jyapu and terms like "bhote" they have been used by the "mainstream" Nepalis like YOU just like the "N" word has used in the past in this country... as a derogatory, demeaning, belittling term for a people.
You have obviously bought into the straighnosed, big eyed, pure bred, pure heart Aryan lie. Nonsense! There are plenty of corrupt Nepalis who DONT happen to be of the "minortiy tibeto- burman" ancestory. And THAT is a fact. Another FACT is that there are many Nepalis of the "minortiy tibeto- burman" ancestory who have brought fame, fortune and glory to Nepal!
Nonsense!
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| suna |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 04:56 PM
Nepalithiti:
YOU STUPID IGNORANT FOOL!
Its a shame your parents gave birth to such an imbecile!
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| euta thita |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 04:58 PM
LOL@ nepalithitti. Damn, you're one incorrigible racist. We need to hang you by your titties.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 05:07 PM
Euta Thita: seems you are being extremely sexist. Would you suggest a comprable punishment for you?
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| Euta Thita |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 05:26 PM
Wanna hang me by my balls? Be my guest!
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| Euta Thita |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 05:46 PM
Let me just add one thing about the Aryan lie. Just having big eyes don't make you an Aryan. Nepalis mostly have epicanthic folds, whatever their origin is, be they bahun, chettri, magar, gurung or tamang (the exception being the Teraibasis, who are of different origin). Typical example, Samrat Upadhyay. You guys might call him Aryan. But I certainly see eyes with epicanthic folds. Our very own Manisha Koirala who we think of as having big eyes actually has almond-shaped eyes. Indians think she has mixed features, and certainly, they are right about that. There is no pure race in Nepal. We are all mixed. And I don't mind that by the way. I am a realist, unlike others here who only care about purity and racial superiority.
Link to Samrat's pic. Had a hard time finding his pic.
http://www.wavemag.com.np/2002/march/pics/samrat.jpg
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| elvis says |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 12:06 PM
its not about their belonging to some ethnic group, its not about what they look like, its not even bout they r nepalese or not, its about the drug trafficking, and getting a fair trail regardless wherever they r from. if they are not guilty they should be freed, if they are guilty then there is no excuse for that kinda behaviour considering quantity of drug was about 7 kgs. imagine how many lives w'd've been ruined!!!
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| NepaliThitti |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 01:58 PM
Hi
I hear you..truth hurts doesn't it? I am not trying to be racist but it's so true about these ethnic groups.Maybe you guys don't fall in this category or you all maybe exception but admit the fact. Why are you fooling yourself? For what?
anepalikt : I understand your reaction becoz you might be from one of these mention ethic group. I think you need to know the meaning of racisim first and understand it clearly. Everybody has the right to freedom of speach and I said nohing wrong but based on facts. Why do you have problem acknowleding the truth?
Suna: You seem to be from of these groups too. Consider yourself an exception and keep shut. It's the fact....Subash Gurung.... and now we have another Gurung!! So what does that say??? I feel pity your parents gave bith to a utter moron like you. tit for tat!
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 02:01 PM
You are obviously a moron!
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| NepaliThitti |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 02:09 PM
anepalikt- but you appear to be the biggest moron of all !
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 02:23 PM
Thanks thitti! Glad you are fashioning yourself after the biggest and the baddest there is. Too bad you are a bad student!
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| NepaliThitti |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 02:28 PM
anepalikt- me a bad student!! ha ha Now again you have your facts wrong? I graduated with a Suma Cum Laude..if you know what that means!!
What's your point? You seem to be so offended as if you are the wife of that related Gurung with drugs! Stick to the topic-why personal attacks?
You really are a very stupid girl -don't even know how to discuss and argue!
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 02:35 PM
Personal, huh! I guess saying derogotory things about a particular ethnic group is not personal or stupid! Suma cum Lauda! BFD! Being illiterate is more desirable and excusable than being a college graduate in this day and age and having your stinky attitude!
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| NepaliThitti |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 02:37 PM
anepali kt- you seem to be the illeterate here. I feel pity for you. Get an education........
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 02:46 PM
Thanks, I will. But would you pay for it please! You must be making money with that summa cum lauda.
please purty please!
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| Bosonian |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 03:01 PM
Will I get to see you two (anepalikt and nepalithitti) in sajha get together in Boston?
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| Bostonian |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 03:03 PM
left out T :S
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| suna |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 03:50 PM
Suna: You seem to be from of these groups too. Consider yourself an exception and keep shut. It's the fact....Subash Gurung.... and now we have another Gurung!! So what does that say??? I feel pity your parents gave bith to a utter moron like you. tit for tat!
Nepalithiti:
As a matter of fact, Yes, I am a magar and have no qualms being of this jaat at all! I should consider myself an exception? THEN WHY THE HECK DID YOU GENERALIZE IN THE FIRST PLACE??
Subash Gurung is mentally disturbed REY
The other Gurung could have been plain dumb. Had he been as smart as the RIMAL fellow in NYC who absconded to Nepal leaving a trail of OTHER NEPALESE in DEBT, he wouldn't have been caught!
Now I wonder what the implications of this ONE RIMAL guy means for the REST OF THE BAHUN/CHETTRI Nepalese??
NOTHING! NOTHING AT ALL.
Just means one bad apple.
My parents giving birth to a moron like me? I wonder ....Yes I sometimes I really wonder when I reply to people like YOU!
Adios
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| it's SUMMA cum laude |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 04:08 PM
while 99.99% of the time i don't point out such errors, moron, with the mentality of an 8-12-year-old, it is summa, not suma, cum laude. it's illIterate, not illeterate, which only goes to show that every time you open your mouth, it only serves to prove you are THE biggest moron on sajha--no mean feat, given your compeThittion! if anyone had to be framed and executed, i wish it were you. but that'd be a waste of good rope...ha ha ha ha ha ha!
here a li'l suma suma about your espeed:
"do not your nads need kicking?!"
~grasshoppah beavis
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| euta thita |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 04:20 PM
Yo, why're we fighting about race? Nepalis, no matter what their background, are basically mongrels. It's a fact. We have been mixing with each other for a looong time now. So, if you diss,say, a Magar, you might be dissing one of your own ancestors. Yes, even bahuns have magar, gurung, ancestry. Now, don't diss your own people. We're all bastardised. Sad, you might think, but true.
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| Grammer |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 04:51 PM
Nepalithitti ,
Check your spelling from the top to the bottom . Now if you do get to see this posting of mine, do think of the other one ( Cool , ......) you thought had just ended.
Ke garnu yestai le ho malai naramro bolne banayeko. DEEPle bhanya jasto kulla ta kati gare gare, pheri yestai alchina haru le garda manpari chadna man lagcha, paye samma kapal pani bhutlyayera lachar pachar parna man lagcha. Euta thita's Idea 'We need to hang you by your titties' was not bad after all.
But, the bottomline is we are all nepalese , cause we speak nepalese, we eat nepalese, (ma chai dal bhat tarkari nai khanchu hatle guam-guam), we all love Nepal, no matter how she is , hoina ra. then why this magar, bhote , rai,limbu, taraibasi ? Sad , Sad. Let us not get our love and attention to our motherland get diverted, just because of some ignorant stupid girl ( Nepalithitti) tried to raise something very racist and ethnic.
" JANANI JANMA BHUMISCHA SWORGADAPI GARIYESI"
Mother and mother land are better than the heaven , if one does exist.
PEACE.............................
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| NK |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 05:17 PM
grammar is grammer? that is the question of the moment.
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| Kuraute Darshanic |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 05:22 PM
Mr. grammer,
f*** u. What do you mean? What do you want us to teach?
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| maya. |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 12:05 AM
Its Grammarrrrrrr
I'm the spy ... I sense that "anepalikt" and "NepaliThitti" are the same person. The time interval between the posts are too small and their writng style too similar.
Now a question for you.... is there a word "gotten" for real? I mean in the dictionary?
Sorry to have diverted the already diverted topic. I hope the guys get a fair judgement. I remembered a movie of Sridevi and Sanjay Dutt who were dealing drugs and had a hard time in Hongkong.... anybody remember the name of the movie?
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| suna |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 07:42 AM
Maya:
You couldn't be more wrong about anepalikt and nepalithitti. Its like comparing apples to oranges. NO let me go a step further, its like comparing a peacock to a crow. And by now we know which one is the latter.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 08:23 AM
kag kag
:)
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| Grammar |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 09:20 AM
What are you doing Aneplaikt?
I think Suna is on your side and trying to make you sound better, if I understand it correctly. If you are trying to be funny than, I know , you will accept my apolozies.
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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 09:23 AM
ah! i see you have corrected yourself my grammar mitra. I really did not you meant zip code or something like that. Contextually speaking.
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