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| NK |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 06:33 PM
Accounting
Cost of a dozen roses: $8.50
A croissant and a broetchen: 2.50 S.Franc
A bratwurst.t: 2 Euro
Cost of a shroud: 500 Rs.
A shrug.
Tears: Free
A 4 bedroom house:$5 million
A loaf of bread: $1.99
A house washed away
in monsoon flood. Cost: Village after village
A Death in the Front,
Grief. Cost: 3 more lives;
An engagement ring -$5,000
A wedding band - $200
A divorce paper- $ 45
A shrug: Priceless.
Cost of three thousand lives:
Immeasurable,
Cost of a Blood bath in the “shanti chettra”
Price: A broken heart.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 10:38 PM
NK,
Back with usual vitality.
Yes, it is 9/11 again. Sad reminders of why hatred and intolerance shouldn't
be main force in today's world.
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| NK |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 10:43 PM
Biswo! you are back too! How is your health? or is that really an old news? Tonight I am just surfing and as soon as I saw your posting I jumped in. Phew! One response on my poor poem. Was looking lonesome without a single friend, you know.
Any more comment on my poem? This poem t was kind of an experiment.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 10:48 PM
NK,
My health is so good now. I can't be sick all month just by walking in hot Houston road,
can I?
I don't know how I feel about this poem. I feel something poetic, but it takes time to
figure out if this is poem at all. My rare experience with digital poem:-)
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| arnico |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 10:48 PM
...we're all staying up late tonight... I am here too.... Arnico.
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| NK |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 10:52 PM
We should all be in chat room. And Arnico, are you also deciding if this is a poem at all? Hurry up , will ya?
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 10:52 PM
NK, I like the images you evoke, but the mastercard ad format I am not sure about. Yes, it is sad. 5 minutes to a new day and a new year. And we are all up.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 11:03 PM
exactly, I was too a bit confused about that 'priceless' thing, anepalikt.
Not sure about chatroom opportunity for me. I am using office's computer now! Let me try.
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| arnico |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 11:21 PM
I am visiting chat... where are all of you?
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 11:33 PM
Arnico,
oops, can't open chatroom in my computer. Hope you guys enjoy the chatroom.
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| arnico |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 11:35 PM
... did for a while. Need to sleep now.
It loads really slowly in Netscape...
good night.
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| Paschim |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 11:37 PM
NK, that was very good. No elaboration required.
One suggestion: can you *please* write a bad poem next time? So that we can all say that was awful, horrible. My request is selfish. You know, when most of the poems you have written and those I have read and understood are good, you have to say it's good, right? But people then think -- oh, maybe they are friends, and they know each other, and he's just being polite to her...but most of us also care about our honesty in opinions, right? By consistently churning out "good" poems, you do our honesty some dis-service by forcing us to say good all the time which, perversely, smacks of dishonesty. So, please write a bad poem next time, and allow me to say -- uh, oh, I think you could have done better than that.
Just once, and then we can return to your usual mode again. I am really serious. Although yes, yes, I know, it's also a clever way to flatter you nonetheless :)
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And hello...Sajha is not America-centric, ok? While some of you are talking about going to bed, some of us are just fresh out of it. Let's also appreciate the diversity of Sajha land in our sleeping habits, not just age, ethnicity, gender, and political opinion :)
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 11:40 PM
Note:I wanted to post this in Naipaul thread, which wouldn't let me post it there.
Don't know why. Since ' worked hard' to write these some lines, wanted to
post them anyway.
--
Start:
Sometimes I think whenever San started this restriction on length of posting, it was
a great prescient job he did.
For some reason, I get relatively fewer time to read/write in sajha.com these days,
and there are so many things to read everyday that I have been reading only those
postings that are originated by known posters. And that is , I know, bad. I
will limit myself to a small group, thus depriving myself from the full potential that
sajha offers about providing friends and insights.
I wanted to start a 'thread' today, but bhaigo. Too late to write anything today too.
So many postings to enjoy.San's regulation on short postings is still important
to mention here, otherwise how many hours would we need to read all the
postings any given day? Even of those relatively known to us.
funny comments in this thread:(verbatim)
'Nepeji ko failed attempt at humour' - VillageVoice
'Though I admit I didn't read links provided by Paramendra' -Nepe (exactly my
sentiment, and I am avid reader of whatever Paramendraji writes here. Thankfully
he seems to be releasing no more those barrages of webaddresses!)
....
...
"Paschim, almost have a crush on you." - Paschim's fan
"No, Naipaul does not have phermones floating about! He is crochty old fart! "-anepalikt
"When you have high degree of entropy
changes, its not your interest that drives you, its sorrounding that drives
you ... e.g. a hot pan, can not keep its temperature 90d C when room is
just 20deg C,"- Hahooguru
"Biswo's name drop by Paschim during jaadle maateko conversation" (Btw, I
have heard some seven of Vietnamese ministers were graduates of my previous
school in Shanghai! But Petris Lubumba University was probably supposed to
create more leaders from Moscow in third world than Harvard, though it
failed in its pursuit: again it is the rumour someone told me.)
etc. etc.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Sep-02 11:41 PM
>funny comments in this thread:(verbatim)
--
change verbatim to not necessarily verbatim.
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| NK |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 09:22 AM
Biswo, I think you were testing my patience about digressing. :)) I enjoyed it! Sorry Arnico, I could not go into the chatroom last night.
Simmering stars are staing at smiling moon
My tears are flowing like a river in monsoon,
Eternity, Oh Eternity,
so lonesome, my heart is shivering.
I am thinking of my lost love,
tears are flowing for my desh love,
all those pahad and parbat are becoking me,
I cannot go but I want to go.
Oh why are you pounishing me so?
This eternal longing is so brutal,
My sadness is so lonesome....
[Paschim, my attempt to write a bad poem. Feed back welcome]
Anepalikt and Biswo, the format was *the* part of the poem. Ok maybe not *the* but a huge part.
Everything is for sale. Up for grab. DOW going up, DOW going down. Price tag for everything. Cold and Calculated. So why not put price on feeling too?
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 09:39 AM
Yes, that was a big part of the poem and considering the gravity of sentiments the format was too pat. I guess I have been watching too much TV, the ads themselves and the spoofs on the ads.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 12:18 PM
NK,
Don't know why but I liked your 'bad' poem too. Lately, in Sajha, a trend has appeared where the poster gets more focus than the posting. With this mindset, when I read your bad kabita, I imagine a young and sweet girl (I mean a teen NK) struggling with her imagination, feelings and her attempt at kabita.
To tell the truth, it has nothing to do with Sajha. The way I read kabita is 50% kabita itself and 50% my own imagination about the state of the poet's mind when he/she was writing it. I do not know if it is a good way to read a kabita. But somehow I can not separate the poem from the poet. Anyway, what was I talking about ? Oh yes, your bad kabita.
Try more please. Mero pani haal Paschim ko jastai chha. Our reputation is at stake here, Kya ?
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| NK |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 01:38 PM
Nepe, the problem is we are spending way too much time here and people have started spilling out their guts right and left. So, naturally we all know you are still madly in love with that NK, or at least your cyber persona is. And the less said about Paschim is the better. :)
But, you cannot be serious that you liked my bad poem? I read it one more time, and it sounds funny. :))) I seem to have failed one more time to produce a bad kabita. My apology to Paschim. He just is gonna have to keep on suffering from this disease called "sounding insincere."
I think it is hard to separate a kabi from a kabita. (mind you this is not a sentence from Moses from that danda. I am also learning while writing) Kabita has to come from somewhere right? All you need is a fertile imagination and a seed. and Presto! you have a kabita. (it is a different matter when we are tlaking about a good kabita, of course. i am sure that needs much more that only those two things mentioned). I was reading about Dante's Divine Comedy. He apparently was in love with this woman in real life and she died young. I have not gone past the first ten pages however, I know she plays a great part in this great 'mahakabya.' She actually, i think ,rescues him or at least his undying/"pure" love for her.
[Instead of spending time on this thread I th ink I should go back and start reading it.]
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| NK |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 02:01 PM
I wanted to ask this before but forgot: anepalikt, I may have watched TV 5 hours all together last month and it is even less this month. I really don't know what is going on TV land so I have no idea what you are referring to. Me bad. enlighten me, could you please?
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 09:01 PM
NK.....there is definitely a style in your "good" poem. I like it!!! It matches the economic frame work of our times; supply, demand and cost analysis! It is an honest/candid poem.
As for the bad....I did not like it (I hope you don't mind...) runs along the same line of Cyber deshbhakti....a sceptic am I?...oh well!...so sue me for not riding on the waves of Patriotism this 9/11 day!!!!!
Paschim ji and Nepe ji...can you please stop her from producing 'bad" poetry to appease your credibility!!!!! ;)
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| jayahos |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 09:12 PM
I start from end:
Reference to 'Shanti chhetra' in the line next to last – which, I think, deliberately points to happening in Nepal not to 9/11– made me think that this poem would have been more accommodating had the numbers of dead, in last stanza, been left to fill in by readers. They change. For me 'A broken heart' is by-product of the wrath, not the price. The price is shattered dreams. 'A shrug' did not turn out to be priceless. We are paying a lot for that 'A shrug'.
A death in the front costs 3 more lives. MUTU CHHOYO. To quote Bhupi: Marera Shahid huneharu, jiyera ta hera jiuna jhan garo chha! (May be the words are not exact!) The torture of living in painful memories far outweighs the cost of dying.
Wonderful accounting but a lot of mixing of odd units, may be an influence and/or reflection of cross cultural mix – a life in AMERICA. I deem 'Cost of a shroud: 500 Rs' fit more in the context, had it been squeezed after 'A divorce paper- $ 45'. But it does not matter, does it?
Landslide claimed villages and lives in Nepal, not 'monsoon flood'. (Why, why on earth do I always try this poem to conceptualize in the background of Nepal?) The poem speaks global context. By the way, had u recently been to Europe?
(Yatra big shot bha thauma ta 'air-head' lai kina tauko ghusaunu parya ni, janne bhera) :)
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| NK |
Posted
on 11-Sep-02 10:22 PM
First of all, what's up with that quote around *good*? Is your good is differnt than my good? Are we going to have a discussion on Plato pretty soon or what? Sitarey( i know , i know your name is sitara, that was just a term of endearment), you are good at explaining, expounding, illuminating such a thing so if you could enlighten me on that….
A confession. I am terrible at keeping interest in the thread I start. I just lose interest quickly. I am trying to keep myself awake from snoozing from this thread poem.
And, why do you think I would be upset because you did not like my bad poem? Was it a good bad poem? I don’t think so. Nepe thought otherwise and he had his reasons. It was a bad bad poem, I think. Childish. If a child had written or a teenager, as Nepe imagined (maybe 13 not 14 though) that would have been a different matter…
As people are scrambling to pay respect for the dead, some people are furiously adding and subtracting how much each life was worth so that they can make a payment to the family of the dead. I am not passing judgement here, it is just a reality. You buy your burial plot. You’d better leave some dough aside for your kaaj kriya. Acoount account account.
Jayhos,
Read your comments with a great enthusiasm and interest. Thank you. You got the part of being multicutltural/cross cultural (read: confusing – at a times), global context right. And of course I was talking about Nepal too and places like Nepal. And yes, I was in Europe recently. And lastly, of course different people have different way of writing. Maybe if you had written that poem you would have written as you mentioned. I run into the same problem with my husband whenever I try to read what I wrote. By the end of the conversation I have his writing not mine :] Therefore I don’t talk about it anymore what I am writing or thinking of writing.
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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 04:35 PM
Before this goes to Black Hole of Sajha space, I want to ask a quick question. Jayhos, which Bhupi's kabita was that? Could you please kindly tell me?
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| crushed |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 04:50 PM
for some odd reason, i have this overwhelming crush on a set healthy 36DD i just cann't seem to overcome. ifany hottie got any smaler rounder ones i can overcome, please call me at (800) 555-1212. thanks a bunch.
c
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 05:14 PM
NK ......... the * * was meant to be " " because it was so referred to as "the" good one and the other as "the" bad one. I honestly liked the "Accounting"...really. It was meant as a compliment... It has a refreshing side to it... very matter-of fact. It appeals to my pragmatic side, I suppose.
The asterisks were misplaced....and so misinterpreted. :(
The other; again did not like as much.... follows most of the desh bhakta threads here.
I suppose I can only give you my candid opinions...since your poetries are out here.
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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 05:25 PM
test
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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 05:30 PM
sorry, ihave not been able to post for past 1/2 an hour.
Sitara, did you seriously think I did not like the negative comment on my bad poem? Please believe me I was ecstatic! I was happy that I was able to write a bad poem that you approved of! That *was* the whole purpose of writing that poem.
These days somehow I have not been able to convey what I am trying to say. Must be the bad position of stars. No pun intended. not at all!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 05:44 PM
NK...do we reeeeeeeeeally need to have a discussion on Plato, Virgil, Odyssey, Illiad, or Socrates...for me to explain why I appreciate your poems or not?????
Come now!!
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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 06:13 PM
sigh*!
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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 06:28 PM
Help! my eye balls are stuck from rolling too far into the head!
:)
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 06:39 PM
Here, I got a stick!
:)
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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 06:45 PM
hehehehe
thanks. phew! that was quite a help. you are a true friend, indeed! :)))
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 07:11 PM
NK: you missed two certificates.
Your opening line could be
Birth Certificate: $smiles
....
Living Certificate: $fries
:::
Death Certificate: $cries.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 07:17 PM
Additioinal: Entitled: What dollar does ?
End of month: $shrinks
::
First week of month: $swells.
::
In Shalimar Restaurant: $slips
::
Delta Airway : $fly
::
in Sajha.com : $sleeps.
::::
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| jayahos |
Posted
on 12-Sep-02 07:43 PM
>>Before this goes to Black Hole of Sajha space, I want to ask a quick question. Jayhos, which Bhupi's kabita was that? Could you please kindly tell me?
NK: Unfortunately, I remember only those lines. I wonder does anyone have idea about this poem?
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| NK |
Posted
on 13-Sep-02 12:17 PM
Now, I dont' get it. help hahooguru. I saw Jayhos quoting a line so i clicked on. :)
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 13-Sep-02 08:19 PM
What help you want, NK? Its from me!!!!!
JayHos: >>Before this goes to Black Hole of Sajha space, I want to ask a quick question. Jayhos, which Bhupi's kabita was that? Could you please kindly tell me?
---- I don't get anything out of it. Confuuuuuuuuuuuused. But, I noticed some
incompatibility in Kabita and its application.
Jayohos on NK's ": A death in the front costs 3 more lives". cites: MUTU CHHOYO. To quote Bhupi: Marera Shahid huneharu, jiyera ta hera jiuna jhan garo chha! (May be the words are not exact!) The torture of living in painful memories far outweighs the cost of dying.
But, Jayhos, the Bhupi's line I guess is not a good link to current crisis. Those who died in Twin Towers do not deserve Bhupi's Kabita. I won't buy / borrow your example,
and use of Bhupi's kabita (if it was like you mentioned), is probably a wrong use,
and disrespect to him, too. Lets not be brutal.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 13-Sep-02 11:01 PM
HahooGuru Posted on 09-12-02 7:17 PM Reply
Additioinal: Entitled: What dollar does ? in my pocket.
(this is just a supplimentary).
it is how dollar reacts.
Birth Certificate: $ smiles (when a new baby borns, a new $ user has arrived)
Living Certificate: $ fries (To live our life, we fry our dollar in kitchen)
Death Certificate: $ cries. (when someone dies, a consumer of dollar dies)
End of month: $ shrinks (for salary man/woman)
First week of month: $swells. (after you get salary)
In Shalimar Restaurant: $slips (fututu... dollar chiplincha .. .as you go on ordering new item)
Delta Airway : $ fly (when you fly on Delta Air, money just flies. Lost in air)
in Sajha.com : $ sleeps. (when you login to Sajha.com, it is so cool dollar can sleep, Sajha only sucks time, not money. thanks to San).
...........
My posting was so simple and straight, I don't why NK wanted to know hidden meanings.....
Is there anyone who can twist these lines. Well, I was just kidding. .... Sitara,
recommended me to offer "intellectual silence: I wonder whether I pose any dollarable
intellectual ability in Sajha.com too". God Bless her, who saw some IS on me....
The "WHAT DOLLAR DOES" was an attempt to keep my "intellectual ability : provided I have some" silent. . . . . .. ..
Intellectual silence: $ strikes.
Heheheheh.... HG is now @ Ground Zero.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 14-Sep-02 12:54 AM
Hahooguru ji...
I'll break my "intellectual silence"..
I like your additions...esp. one on sajha. :)
You are definitely good...!!!
Keep adding...I'm sure NK won't mind!!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 14-Sep-02 02:54 AM
Sitara & NK
Yes, I just added my version of Accounting to help NK.
In fact, I could not support her Quantitively, but, the
qualitative idea behind accounting is not bad. Well, in Nepal
its called "Kun Sirshak ma Kharcha Garne"....
Object Oriented Paisakharchagarne Sytem (OOPS Accounting System)
.... Well, NK's accounting was equivalent to C Programming, (root/ Ground Zero accounting), my one was a C++ acounting. .....
Hey anyone wants to know? Object Oriented and Conventional
Programming ... I can give you 1 hr. HahooLecture (=HahooPrabachan).
Well, it was really very very hard for me to understand OOPS....
I was just using FORTRAN for last 15years. Now, I realized
the real meaning of OOPS ... Some Sajhapurian will smiles at me.
What is so great in OOPs..........
Heehehe.... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOps makes sense.
HG
"OOPS accounting system" is Trade Mark of HahooGuru. Illegal use in any form
is liable to punishments ......
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| NK |
Posted
on 14-Sep-02 12:38 PM
Hahoogurujee's, just a quick thought. That particular line was not meant for Twin Towers victim. And, my guess is Jayahos wasn't thinking that either. When one writes a poem, everything in that poem does not have to be about current events. Past event and then abstraction and so forth....
But yes, when I wrote that particular line I was thinking about our 'jawan' fighting maoists and every other soldier who died defending the country. Please don't take so literally everything. Jayahos is merely drawing some parallel, and I agree with that. Of course you can still disagree.....
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| NK |
Posted
on 14-Sep-02 12:40 PM
here is bakbake kachua again -
of course not Sitara. I don't mind Hahooguru's kabita on my kabita. Let me go back and read it again. It is kinda difficult to decipher all that cyptic C++ notations :)
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| jayahos |
Posted
on 14-Sep-02 07:15 PM
HG:
>>But, Jayhos, the Bhupi's line I guess is not a good link to current crisis. Those who died in Twin Towers do not deserve Bhupi's Kabita. I won't buy / borrow your example,
and use of Bhupi's kabita (if it was like you mentioned), is probably a wrong use,
and disrespect to him, too. Lets not be brutal.
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| jayahos |
Posted
on 14-Sep-02 07:16 PM
....
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 14-Sep-02 07:39 PM
Jayahos ji...
Wow!!!! The ART of questioning is in the Mark that the Question leaves!!! :)
Hahoo ji...
"Oooooooooooooooooooops, I did it again". :P hehe!! Hum with me please, it is a Britney Spear's song!!
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| jayahos |
Posted
on 14-Sep-02 07:52 PM
SITARA:
As always you excel in your observation!
I am doing the impossibe, I am reading ZEN!!
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