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| socrates |
Posted
on 15-Sep-02 05:55 PM
Does anyone agree with me that bahuns are not the smart ones to hold bereaucratic office in nepal. Okay, they were the only one educated in Rana times and they managed to educate their children better, I agree with that. But I think its time for bahuns to realize that other ethnic groups can be equally smart and they need some kind of role to run the country. Things like affirmative actiion or quota system should be introduced so that there won't be any angry ethnic group. No wonder maobadi movement has only lower caste people fighting for their rights (beside few bahun leaders who understand the situation). If we fail to realize this, we will never have peace in Nepal.
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| MadMax |
Posted
on 15-Sep-02 08:17 PM
Bahuns own Nepal. Thats the truth - life is a b@#ch.
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| Superior Aryan |
Posted
on 16-Sep-02 07:03 PM
Bahun is great Aryan who must Rule Nepal and all Nepalese.
That how nepalese life suppose to work.
Why we are superior:
(1) We eat little, think much.
(2) We are priest. God loves us.
(3) We rule Nepal and Nepalese. Nobody does it.
(4) We intelligance, and other are stupid.
Newars compet with us, but doesn't match with us. They are also stupid than us. Kami, Damai, Chhetri are definately stupid people. Other Mongols people are always stupid never intelligance.
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| Notbahun |
Posted
on 16-Sep-02 07:48 PM
Thanks god I am not a bahun. F***ing bastard Superior Aryan!!
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| dirk |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 09:01 AM
Hey Superior Aryan,
First of all, you can't write for sh*t and your logic or ,should I say, lack of it is so convoluted that it makes me want to throw up!!!
Socrates,
The affirmative action thing didn't work well in the US. What makes you think it'll work in Nepal? But, I do agree with you in that the government should try to provide equal opportunities to all...and jobs given based only on merit and not on any sort of nepotism, caste or otherwise.
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 09:38 AM
100% with Dirk!
Affirmative action usually evolves into a reverse discrimination.
Set the basic foundation for equality, paving the way for the educated non-Bahuns to climb the ladder.
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 09:58 AM
Wow!!!!!! What a discussion! Socrates ji, I am amazed at the LOGIC behind your Philosophy! Which school of thought do you come from:
1. Great men think alike (or)
2. Fools seldom differ
Hmmmm as to your question; "Does anyone agree with me?"
I will answer with 2 counter questions:
"Was Batman stronger or Superman?"
"Haathi baliyo ki haathi chap chappal?"
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 09:59 AM
ooops! forgot the smile. :)
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| tropical |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 10:18 AM
This superior Aryan seems to be of some other caste, trying to generate hate for bahuns. I know for a fact(experience) that some other races such as "newars" (not all) hate bahuns.
Let me tell you this: This race hate is not a good thing. I being a bahun do not discriminate against people of other races. I don't call all newars as thug. There are good newars and bad newars. There are all kinds of people in all races. While racial hatred in encouraged among certain community, individuals differ.
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| orion_ |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 10:26 AM
As a supporter of democracy, social justice and nationalism, I truly believe that Bahun, and indeed all "upper" caste ( Chettris and Newar) domination needs to be addressed. Nepal's government, including the civil,police and military services, need to better reflect Nepal's rich heritage of diversity and tolerance.
I also think the struggle needs to be extended to Chettris and Newars as well. Bahun domination is a good starting point becasue of it pervasiveness, but diveristy in the police and army, in my opinion holds the key to tilting the balance of power in Nepal in favor of the ethnic minorities including Janajatis, Tharus and Madesis.
In terms of the hows, I think we have had spirited discussions in other threads about it.
(http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=6173 is one such thread)
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| kale kami |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 10:31 AM
Bahuns are superior than any other cast to drive Nepal.
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| ebony_firefly |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 10:32 AM
sitara ji so you have started humming too...;) hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
hello mr socrates!
...for sometime i wondered if real socrates is talking from the grave ...but as soon as i finished reading your comments a thought dawned on me ..."mr!( shock rate his) is this guy lamenting because he is not competitive enough or is he just back reading some indian nerd who introduced quota system in india back in mid 90's..."
what ever it is..if you were a fighter i believe you should be calling for a free competition ...
superior aryan or superior aryal ..what ever it is.
..man u sound like one of those typical giriza breed who said"chotti muuh badi baat hum to kya comment karengeey"...on asked to comment on kashmir issue by indian media.
lets have communal harmony atleast on these testing times...peaceeeeeeeeee!
blac_
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| socrates |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 10:47 AM
poonte ji, dirk ji
If affirmatiive action is not effective in US, how come current figure shows that 5-6 million minorities are employed due to this action. This is the only way to lift economic and social status of under class in a society, although few from majority may be a victim of reverse discrimation. In a long run society will certainly benefit from giving chances to minortiy. I think thats what Amrika is all about. We should learn from them. Their constitution and laws are writen by one of the brightest and enlightened people.
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| txkoketa |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 11:51 AM
Is there a KKK or Hitler in the midst?
Times have changed 'nd don't stick to that false pilosophy.
Thanks for ya time
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| Bahun Basher |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 12:00 PM
Bahuns don't belong in Nepal..They are not Natives of Nepal.. they came from India(Dhoti)
Lets start a banish tha Bahuns from Nepal movement(someone mentioned this before in this site)
They are like Maggots ... sucking every bit of blood from its victims and moving on to next. It will never end till we drive them out to their Native land where they belong. They brought all that corruption attitude from across the border along with them.
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| ebony_firefly |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 12:14 PM
ouccccccccch! mr socrates!
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 12:46 PM
Mr. Socrates...JI
Research shows that... You have AFRICAN BLOOD in you!!!!
...and you too Mad Max ji,
...you too Duperier Aryan ji,
...You too Dirkji and Poonte ji
...You too Orion ji
...YOu too Kale Kami ji
...You too TX Mex ji
...You too ebony ji :)
...Bahunbasher ji especially you methinks
...And ME TOO!!!!
And here in US, WE ARE all ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!
And if you can prove otherwise.......... I suggest you go to the NIH, Human genome dept and dazzle them with your brilliant LOGIC!!! :)
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| astounded |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 01:13 PM
i'm completely and utterly astounded by the nature of comments in this string. how can anyone claim someone is not native to any one region? how would you define how long does a certain group need to reside in a certain region before you become a native? there is no such formula. if we go back a certain number of years, non of us were ever a native of nepal. even the indigenous tribes of nepal are not real nepali, because they tend to not be confined by the international demarcations. in fact, several tribes and clans such as tamangs, gurungs, and others were all basically exiled from the north and northwest of nepal several centuries ago. these groups don't even have a clear indication of their genesis. thus the claim of them as natives is like saying a homeless kid in the king's way area is a native of that road. as for the logic presented in defining bahuns as being the supreme race, i don't fully agree with that either. i think, over the course of last 300 years, bahuns have had the luxury of being the only ones with the power of education. thus, they have excelled in the beurocratic arena. while not having had the power of the military or police enforcement, they're often targeted by the cowards in general. however, these same cowards are often afraid of pointing figures at the thakuris for the fear of being chopped off. the irony in it is that the thakuris are of bahun blood and vice versa. the bottom line is that there are no real natives nor outsiders there. we need to accept that or we'll end up like some of the west african countries.
factoid
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 01:15 PM
Socrates, good point.
Orion: "...diveristy in the police and army, in my opinion holds the key to tilting the balance of power in Nepal in favor of the ethnic minorities including Janajatis, Tharus and Madesis. .."
Agreed.
Social justice demands affirmative action. Historically deprived groups need active help of the sort.
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| Leaky Bucket |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 01:43 PM
Transpiring my feelings in this whole issue of this Caste-ism, let me begin with a bit of prehistoric references and orthodox Hinduism- the substrata of this whole debate......
The whole idea of this cateism was based on the dexterity rather than heredity.The duties involving Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra are grouped according to people's abilities and skills[Bhagwat Geeta Ch. 18 - verse 41]. So now why are we talking that I am Brahmin's son,Chettri's son? All of us here in US slogging with our books are Brahmins and not those self proclaimed jerks beaming with a false pride of birth.
OK..sounds too much of a logic...
Lets accept, for the argument's sake, the thinking of a typical present era...Brahmins means all those people at the uppermost peel(Girija et al) and the low caste means the one at the bottom...Agreed ..there is a big gap between these groups in society.
Now dont we all agree that we all should try rising up rather than pulling down...The solution is not by bringing down the higher, but by raising the lower up to the level of the higher. When I say pushing up and not pulling down I am not talking at the abstraction of letting the corrupt rich people staying there..Let CIAA handle that.Not the religious revolt.
The panacea is the education...Its the only way we can change outself. Let Wisdom prevail worldiness in the definition of Brahminism...Quoting to Vivekananda "Caste is a very good thing. Caste is the plan we want to follow. What caste really is, not one in a million understands. There is no country in the world without caste. Caste is based throughout on that principle. The plan is to make everybody Brahman...in wisdom not in wordiness...
I am atleast in a position to believe that the democracy in Nepal does allow everyone to go to school. Some precocious among you might say what to do with education when the job is taken by so called Brahmin.....This sickness should not be viewed as the perspective of casteism... its the social sickness prevailing everyone in the world stemming from Favouritism and only the politico-economic factor is responsible for this.
Talking of favouritism it reminds me of a British "Galla" rejecting my friend during the British Gurkha recruitng in Pokhara just because he happened to be a Brahmin..What do you do for this? Write a letter of protest to British Embassy?, revolt?...I wont be surprised if a whole new thread comes out of this here.
Vivekananda's goes on saying "In spite of all the ravings of the priests, caste is simply a crystallized social institution, which after doing its service is now filling the atmosphere with its stench, and it can only be removed by giving back to people their lost social individuality."
Let me conclude by this qoute from RigVeda "I am a bard, my father is a physician, my mother's job is to grind the corn......" and when I qoute Rigveda let me post script that I am not brahmin- the brahmin of worldiness we all talk of.....
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| Leaky Bucket |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 01:43 PM
Transpiring my feelings in this whole issue of this Caste-ism, let me begin with a bit of prehistoric references and orthodox Hinduism- the substrata of this whole debate......
The whole idea of this cateism was based on the dexterity rather than heredity.The duties involving Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra are grouped according to people's abilities and skills[Bhagwat Geeta Ch. 18 - verse 41]. So now why are we talking that I am Brahmin's son,Chettri's son? All of us here in US slogging with our books are Brahmins and not those self proclaimed jerks beaming with a false pride of birth.
OK..sounds too much of a logic...
Lets accept, for the argument's sake, the thinking of a typical present era...Brahmins means all those people at the uppermost peel(Girija et al) and the low caste means the one at the bottom...Agreed ..there is a big gap between these groups in society.
Now dont we all agree that we all should try rising up rather than pulling down...The solution is not by bringing down the higher, but by raising the lower up to the level of the higher. When I say pushing up and not pulling down I am not talking at the abstraction of letting the corrupt rich people staying there..Let CIAA handle that.Not the religious revolt.
The panacea is the education...Its the only way we can change outself. Let Wisdom prevail worldiness in the definition of Brahminism...Quoting to Vivekananda "Caste is a very good thing. Caste is the plan we want to follow. What caste really is, not one in a million understands. There is no country in the world without caste. Caste is based throughout on that principle. The plan is to make everybody Brahman...in wisdom not in wordiness...
I am atleast in a position to believe that the democracy in Nepal does allow everyone to go to school. Some precocious among you might say what to do with education when the job is taken by so called Brahmin.....This sickness should not be viewed as the perspective of casteism... its the social sickness prevailing everyone in the world stemming from Favouritism and only the politico-economic factor is responsible for this.
Talking of favouritism it reminds me of a British "Galla" rejecting my friend during the British Gurkha recruitng in Pokhara just because he happened to be a Brahmin..What do you do for this? Write a letter of protest to British Embassy?, revolt?...I wont be surprised if a whole new thread comes out of this here.
Vivekananda's goes on saying "In spite of all the ravings of the priests, caste is simply a crystallized social institution, which after doing its service is now filling the atmosphere with its stench, and it can only be removed by giving back to people their lost social individuality."
Let me conclude by this qoute from RigVeda "I am a bard, my father is a physician, my mother's job is to grind the corn......" and when I qoute Rigveda let me post script that I am not brahmin- the brahmin of worldiness we all talk of.....
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| .... |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 02:00 PM
To: Superior aryan.
- Eating less will hamper the well funtioning of brain.( Nutritional point of view).
- Do you know the meaning of god? ( If not, do read a book entitled,'Insearch of ancient gods'.
- Need to study the history of Nepal.
- You are indeed telligent.
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| laro kha BAHUN |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 02:33 PM
Bahun are root cause of all evil problems in Nepal... even maoist ... bahun makes me sick bottom line...
READ IT PUNK stupid aryan... my ass:
(1) We eat little, think much.
(2) We are priest. God loves us.
(3) We rule Nepal and Nepalese. Nobody does it.
(4) We intelligance, and other are stupid.
1) you eat less because you are too miser to eat what you have.. more or so because you know that what ever you've got is ill-goten and your body wouldn't digest what you eat, hence busy thinking how/what to eat.
2) You think God loves you?? actually its because God feel pity for you.. and how you look... 99% bahun are skinny homeless type nothing to eat/wear.
3) King (Chetri) rules Nepal not you stupid PUNK
4) Bahun intelligent???... look at what you have written and posted in this intellact Board.. creating hatred among your own people instead of embracing and accepting different caste and ethnics citizen of our own country..
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| nepali4 |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 02:56 PM
Please do not write bad word saathi
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| Great Bahun |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 03:01 PM
Bahun is the great of all Nepalese.
We know how to deal with stupid Nepalese. We know how to talk and walk and dance.
Jai Nepal
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| Newar |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 03:16 PM
Newar and Bahun are different from race, culture, gene and way of life.
Newar is good and intelligance Nepali.
Bahun is bad and stupid Nepali.
Newar are not corrupted.
Bahun are all 99.5% corrupted. Very hard to find good Bahuns in this world.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 03:37 PM
Great discussion pals!
As some of us has mentioned the logic behind the caste system. Not all of us are doing the duties as assigned by our cast so how do we belong to any of them.
I cant belive all these thinking is going on in Nepalease youth mind. that clearly discribes the condition of the country. We all are trying to be different than other increasing hate between us than standing together as NEPALI.
We all are Aliens in any other country than Nepal. Keep that in mind friends.
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| Bahun Cast creator |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 04:11 PM
Bahun came from India as asylum in Nepal. They brought Fanatic Religion Hindu and manipulate all local people in Nepal. They spread Sanskrit and destroyed all ethnic culture, religion, customs and language. Bahun are Cast System Creator. Then they start to call “the great human” by themselves.
The root of the problem in past, present and future is this cast “ Bahun “.
They want to make correction with using claver speaking or dirty political technique but human gene and human finger print will be never ever different.
From the past till now same things happen over and over, gain and again in Nepal.
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| nonsense |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 05:01 PM
Sitara, what exactly do you mean by African blood? Isn't it more like Australoid blood? Don't confuse the two. Or are you referring to the out-of-africa theory? Coz if that's what you're implying then all I can say is that if we go even further, chimps and humans diverged from the same common ancestor. If we go even futher, we were single-celled! Please understand that people DO evolve. Siddhis, Africans who were brought to India by Arab traders, never made it to Nepal. They are just found in India and Pakistan.
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| nonsense |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 05:11 PM
Oh, is that so "Bahun Cast creator"? Then why don't you tell us more about your people? Did you know that Gurung does mean something in Tibetan? Did you know that Tamang sissies fled from Tibet when Mongol hordes attacked Tibet? Did you know that Magars, whose ancestors were found in the Mohenjodaro-Harappan region, fled from India during the Aryan invasion? Why are Tibeto-Burman groups isolated only in North-Eastern ( and I am not referring to people of Tibetan origin, like the Ladakhis) India and Nepal? Did you ever thought that it might have been because you guys were also scary pussies at one point in time?
Now, our ancestors came to the Indian subcontinent as invaders, as warriors, as nomads. As time passed by, we matured, and our ancestors just thought that we could control the mass just by utilizing our brain, and not by using our strength. We do have latent warrior tendencies within us. We haven't really had to fight as of now.
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| czar |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 08:24 PM
We are the same material that stars are made of. Chemically, we are made of stardust. How about that ?
And what of the tantalizing possiblity that earth was colonized by space farers ? What then ? Are we still going to be arguing about bahun/chettri when in reality, we might just be from different galaxies even? Chew on that one fellers!
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 09:30 PM
Still not convinced affirmative action works...
Despite decades of affirmative action in force, there is still a wide disparity between the whites and the blacks in the US. I think if the system focused more on educating and training the minorities, and then giving them equal opportunity based on merits, it would have created a fairer chance of minorities catching up to the majority. Even IF it worked well here, we should not be rushing to make judgements that it will work in Nepal too.
Discrimination, in any form or shape, even in reversed version, is simply wrong! We must provide better education and training to everyone equally, so that they will learn to be competitive. Letting the minorities know that they will be prefered simply because they happen to be born in a minority group is sending the wrong signal. Preference based on any ethnic group eliminates a sens of competitiveness and effifiency, thus slowing the development of the country as a whole.
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| chhetri keta |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:35 PM
ya man, more chhetris should be in the beaurocracy...ya man ya
chhetris rule
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| AP |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 06:08 PM
Is not this true that Present King's great grand mother was a widow Brahmin lady?
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| Magar Kancha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 06:16 PM
Yeah, that's why he looks a bit like bahun instead of Magar. Shah dynasty was originally a Magar dynasty until the Nobles decided to mix in with foreigners from India --folks who we call BAHUNS. Now Chettris are basically half and half. Yes, even Thakuris. They ain't Rajputs. That's just Hogwash. The reason they like to identify with BAHUNS is that they got inferiority complex and feel they can't match dhoti BAHUNS. Chettris should never forget their Magar heritage. They have more in common with us than with BAHUNS. We'll take Chettris as our own, since they are our long-lost brothers who just decided to clean up their past and ally with BAHUNS. Newars are also basically of Tibetan origin. MADHESIS and BAHUNS are 100% of Indian origin. They basically are the odd ones out!
BUT, I do understand that this is the 21st century and we need to somehow forget our tumultous past and carve our way to a better future.
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| A Shrestha |
Posted
on 19-Sep-02 12:14 PM
Be aware with Bahuns.
Bahuns are trying to Mix matters for hiding their bad side and trying to present fake mask to other.
First, they try to Mix with Newari people. They were trying to say that Neware and Bahun are same. Finally, it was not possible from culture, language, social life style, and custom. Bahun failed on it.
Now, they are trying to Mix with Magar. They are trying to say that Magar people also Aryan Bahun. Bahun telling that Magar are like Bahuns.
Tomorrow, Bahun will tell you that British, German, French and American also Bahun. But Bahun are telling that Kami, Damai, Sarki, Chethri, Dum are not Bahun and they are low caste people came from south India "Madisei Bihari."
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| waibaforce |
Posted
on 20-Sep-02 12:41 PM
Here is a lnk to startling facts: http://gopalgurung.tripod.com/firstmenu.html
Fire your thoughts and let the world know that there has to be fundamental change in polity of Nepal..
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| Bitchpatroll |
Posted
on 20-Sep-02 01:31 PM
All the prime ministers from the period between 1768 to 1950 were all Chhetris with one who was Bahun. His name was Ranga Nath Poudel.
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But by 1950 they were only 4 Chhetis out out of 14 prime ministers.
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There has been only one prime minister who was not Bahun or Cheetri race. He is Marich Man Sing, a Newar who went down when democracy was restored in 1990.
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Three out of four martyrs were of Newars not Brahmin or Chhetis in 1950 pro-democracy movement. Bahuns were exempted from capital punishment because they are Bahuns who claimed to be superior, descended from god than rest of the people...
Are these just figures or facts ?
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| Aludai |
Posted
on 20-Sep-02 02:29 PM
I don't know why I chose to read all these.But going through these, I realised that we Nepalese are really racist people.It is easy to blame whites as racists as they are the predominant race in America and Europe.But if any of us were in their place and they in our placee, I am sure we would have locked them all up in the zoo.
This all explains why we are the poorest country in the world( except perhaps a few famine struck ones- but we are not far behind!).This all explains the socio-political problems and the maoist problems.We seem to be after each others blood.
If we hate each other so much, why should we remain a single country?We are not helping ourselves by not helping each other.
Maybe I sound pessimistic, but this is the grand conclusion of my day's reading today.I do not know how to instill the sense that first we are all human beings.There are good and bad people in all the races and a lot of people in every caste try to take maximum advantage of the situation.
I leave it to you to decide whether you keep fighting over these petty issues or become wiser and forge ahead. Our future will await for you!
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| Riza |
Posted
on 21-Sep-02 01:32 AM
Hi aludai,
you are da best!!
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| Prayas |
Posted
on 21-Sep-02 05:04 AM
Everyone is racist. Me.. you.. Americans, English, Indians, Kenyans do you think only we have this problem?? But who is calling it a problem? For me this discussion is just another thread of someones whim. I do dislike some other cast and I know they have similar feelings for me. you think American or British are exempt of Racism. Well for sure Americans are famous racist, but for British who looks to be very hospitable and compatible with other races, Tell you that they are worst you have to be with british for long to know them. Well what I was saying... yeah so you think we have problem.. I would say NO.. We just so little chatttin about these stuff but if you go are in NEpalese society you rarely will see people fighting about these issues(compared to others). Well these are the stuffs you can not put into right direction. Even the witless animals have their own herds. they like to remain of one group. I know colour is to eye.... but think again inside somewhere you feel the difference. I won't ask any of you to put off that fling but urge you not to add fuel to fire.............JAI NEPAL.
P.S. Away from your country, your countrymen are your nearest relatives.
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| Aludai |
Posted
on 21-Sep-02 11:51 AM
Hi,
To an extent, I agree with you.All of us have that sense of belonging to a group.But what is frightening is the magnitude of the problem.
America is having a problem.Nobody will say a Texan (or whatever) is the source of all problems.They are racists as a big viable group and have therefore prospered.We are racist in small unviable groups.
The abuse hurled at other groups in this column speak of the problem.
Well if we are to solve a problem, first we must accept that there is a problem.
I understand that individual views may differ.Maybe, staying in the west it does not affect you much.Iidentity of people change and it may not be very relevant after all.
We in Nepal are poor and have lots of problems.There must be a reason for it.All too often, we have seen countries completely destroyed overtaking us.You can find several reasons for it, but our work ethic, culture of living in small groups and hating each other surely cannot help the enterprise.I know our present Maoist conflict started as a socioeconomoic struggle, but I am sure our 'hate groups' are taking over.It is all too easy to settle scores.
I understand I cannot change it, but we so called educated people should at least think about it.Once we recognise that there is a problem, then solutions will emerge.
Just to emphasize,this is not the only problem but one of the problems.
May god Pashupatinath save our country!
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