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| Poonte |
Posted
on 17-Sep-02 09:37 PM
Despite numerous attempts to post this on the "King needs to take over," it didnt work. So here it is...on a new thread!
Given the fact that the backbone of any monarchial rule in Nepal would be the Royal Nepal Army, and since even the RNA has failed to reign in the Maoists even after nine months of state of emergency, I wonder what the backers of the reinvented Panchayat system in Nepal think the King would be able to pull afresh now, from his supposedly magical hat, in order to stop the violence?
Now, this I got from my weekend reading:
"Where there are kings, there must be the greatest cowards. For men's souls are enslaved and refuse to run risks readily and recklessly to increase the power of somebody else. But independent people, taking risks on their own behalf and not on behalf of others, are willing and eager to go into danger, for they themselves enjoy the prize of victory."
Still pondering, in peace.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 10:25 AM
I am wondering, what are you up to..pulling something magical from yor hat you r wearing to cover yor talu ;) ehehe..
way to go NEXT PM poo dai, u have a very deep sense of what nepal is going bout! I am sure you will bring some chaneg ;)
yors
pran bhanda piyarooo bhai
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 11:22 AM
"Where there are kings, there must be the greatest cowards. For men's souls are enslaved and refuse to run risks readily and recklessly to increase the power of somebody else. But independent people, taking risks on their own behalf and not on behalf of others, are willing and eager to go into danger, for they themselves enjoy the prize of victory."
I disagree. Whoever wrote this does not know what a king is, it seems. In Nepal you don't need to present or think yourself as a slave of the king. If you do, that's your problem. I guess, the writer saw no diiference between a king and a dictator. King and dictators do not share the same definition by default. King can be a dictator but does not have to be one. In the first sentence, the writer is falsely defining "king" and "cowards". Who is a king and who are cowards and why? I agree, people will be more interested in engaging themselves in a risky business when they know they are the ones who will enjoy the victory most. However, what does "independent" people mean? Just by changing Royal Nepal Army to Independent Poeple's Army won't do any good. Monarchy system in itself is neither some poison nor "amrit". It's us who need to adjust our attitude. If monarchy collides with us then it will be a history. ...When we are talking about a group, we are talking about a leadership...call it a king or something else.
Thousands of Maobadis have died so far but how come the leadership is still enjoying the luxury and potential for future leadership? Why the sons and daughters of Maoists leaders are enjoying themselves in "foreign" countries but poor people are chanting "maobad jindabad" and receiving taato goli from security forces? who is Mao? is he an undeclared emperor of sarbahara Nepalis? I am not here to praise the king of Nepal. I believe that monarchy needs to adjust it's status, seriously, if it wants to be a part of Nepal in the future.
We've got hundreds of corrupts not just roaming freely in Nepal but are preaching us about good governance. What are we doing about that? just by killing people in the name of maobadis/aatankakaris is not enough.
Master and slave concept is embedded in one's mind. For him/her who loves to kiss ***, there is/will not be shortages of "maibaps".
Just my thought!
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 11:33 AM
BTW, Are old men wanna do salsa or tango with me?
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 11:36 AM
You gotta ask Ashu, Poobte. He is not here in this thread. No yet, at least. ;)
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 11:37 AM
You gotta ask Ashu, Poonte. He is not here in this thread. Not yet, at least. ;)
sorry for the typo.
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| Pooooonte |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 11:55 AM
Sorry....the last posting was not supposed to be in this thread...
Kings and dictators, though may not be inclusive in every sense, share one fundamental identity: They both are not elected!
Therefore, the very existence of both Kings and dictators rely on the brutal suppression of the people. And those who yield to suppression...those who yearn for absolute authority of the One...those who choose to believe in One, rather than the mass, or himself...are the ones who are cowards!
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:09 PM
"Kings and dictators, though may not be inclusive in every sense, share one fundamental identity: They both are not elected!"
I agree . Often elected officials became dictators but dictators are seldom elected for their dictatorship.
"Therefore, the very existence of both Kings and dictators rely on the brutal suppression of the people..."
I differ here. A dictator by definition is a tyrant who rules by force but the definition of a king is a ruler of an independent state. If a king becomes a dictator then he is a dictator king. When I say king I mean just king not a dictator king.
".....And those who yield to suppression...those who yearn for absolute authority of the One...those who choose to believe in One, rather than the mass, or himself...are the ones who are cowards! "
for the most part, I agree here. I believe, beleiving in one is not always bad especially when you are the one who is a representative of a mass.
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| Pooonte |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:15 PM
Is not the history of Kingdoms laden with tyranny?
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:21 PM
History is not future, as you know. What happened yesterday does not mean we should expect the same for tomorrow.
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| Pooonte |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:25 PM
What happened yesterday has brought us the misery today. By beckoning the kingship once again, we will only be trying to build tomorrow by relying on the same yesterday. (Strictly in terms of Nepal)
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| laambu |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:25 PM
Mr. Poonte loves to make sweeping generalizations...but seems to be unaware of his his gross inaccuracies. For example, he says 'Kings and dictators' are not elected. As an political slogan, this sounds sexy. But if you examine history: the biggest dictators of this century, Hitler and Moussolini, came to power through the ballot.
Would Mr. Poonte care to again change his definition of dictatorship again?
On a different note, does Mr. Poonte suffer from some deeply ingrained inferiority complex? I fail to understand why he feels so slighted and enslaved by monarchy? Is he projecting his own lack/absence to something external like the king, as an escape mechanism? Why else would you name yourself Poonte, which is a demunitive, blittling term. I have met many people from countries with monarchies (UK, Japan, Thailand, Sweden etc. etc.), yet I have never met anyone say that they feel like a slave or unmanly because there is a king some where out there. We each are responsible for creating and sustaining a positive self-image.
Peace
oohi
Lambu
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| Pooonte |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:34 PM
Hitler and Moussolini...almost forgot about them. True, they were elected. Also true that they resorted to brutal suppression in order to sustain their rule beyond much public support.
My name is irrelevant to our discussion.
The benevolent Kingship in several countries around the world are mere symbols of their national unity. They are bounded by the constituition, limited on their role in the active national politics. I express absolutely no bitterness towards a similar kind of Kingship in Nepal as well. This, however, requires that we move forward into fuller and viable democracy, not return to absolutism that the Panchayat era resembles, something that some are beginning to argue we must bring back.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:44 PM
"What happened yesterday has brought us the misery today. By beckoning the kingship once again, we will only be trying to build tomorrow by relying on the same yesterday. (Strictly in terms of Nepal) "
I differ again. Yes, today is effected by yesterday, I agree. But I don't agree on "by beckoning the kingship once again, we will only be trying to build tomorrow by relying on the same yesterday". Why? because the statement undermines the citizens power and is unfair to the service of some patriot Nepalis (includes kings) of the past. Also, I found the statement touched by pessimism (lack of self-confidence).
The above statement reminded me of a joke: ABC was walking down the street and saw a banana peel. He, then, thought "Damn! I am gonna have to fall down today, too".
***
Please note, I am not against Poonte but only expressing my views on his ideas. I don't like personal attacks.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:45 PM
"The benevolent Kingship in several countries around the world are mere symbols of their national unity. They are bounded by the constituition, limited on their role in the active national politics. I express absolutely no bitterness towards a similar kind of Kingship in Nepal as well."
Sounds like we are on the same boat.
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| Pooonte |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 12:48 PM
Maybe, Sparsha!
Perhaps we can also agree that return to Panchayat is not introducing benevolent Kingship.
So much for now...got a class in 10 minutes!
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 01:23 PM
POONTE DAI,
here's something from REALITY!!
IF YOU TELL THE FACTS TO PEOPLE.......THEY"LL BIT YOR TAIL TILL YOU DROP......jus see what mess u have created.....when in amrika do like the amrikans..give the FAKE IMPRESSION, and everyone will come showering you with blessings..
and sparsha and lambu, I BEG TO DIFFER AS WELL.....i am 1000% with you poo dai ;)
on one unconditional condition ;) (corona for saturday momo party la? ;) .......yupss me coming......anyhow :S jus need to get a RIDE :)
keep up the good posting......but giving the facts, won't make u a pm :(, nor ever will win the confidence of the people ;)
oys
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 01:57 PM
Oye Oys_,
I am glad that you're standing by your future PM (1000%) but please don't ruin him by asking him to fake. "Facts make you more credible than fake impression".
Hadigaun ma mero pani (chhati chaskanchha!) sambandha bhako bhe ra sujhab deko....hai. Whether he provides corona or not you should stand by him [if you get a ride that is] if you think he is genuine.
peace.
On whether return to Panchayat will introducing benevolent Kingship, I would say that is open to debate. If we are talking about panchayat of yesteryears then may be not. We got to define what is panchayat and how is benevolence measured before we can put our points foreward. Nevertheless, anytime we ask for direct leadership of the monarchy we will be asking for controversy. Unchecked power/authority is the life blood of a dictator.
In Nepal, we hear people, especially political parties, saying "raja chalmalauna thalyo hai" if king talks. If he (king) keeps quiet they say "yo kehi ni nagarne raja ke kam?".
People's representatives should know what people want not what they want. As we all know, monarchy belongs to Nepal not the other way around. Monarchy will not be around for a long time if it tries to compete with people for power.
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| Pooonte |
Posted
on 18-Sep-02 04:08 PM
So, after all we dont differ much, Sparsha. May I count on one of your votes too? ;)
I just think that democracy in Nepal is still nascent, incomplete and full of contradictions. The right path forward is to complete the process so that the government becomes true representative of the people. Absolute monarchy, by definition, will never be able to deliver on the principles of true democracy. The King can rule Narayanhiti; but let the Nepali people rule Nepal!
Oys...looks like hamro Kajol bahini backed out of that party plan. Nevertheless, how about a party at MY place one of the weekends? You are not too far from where I am, and we can even invite few more of the NN gang. I am serious! This way, you can really experience MUAH-ing my talu!
Corona...how about Coronita? Sounds sexier!
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| A Thought |
Posted
on 19-Sep-02 06:40 AM
"What happened yesterday has brought us the misery today. By beckoning the kingship once again, we will only be trying to build tomorrow by relying on the same yesterday. (Strictly in terms of Nepal) "
I believe the day Shree Panch Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shaha Dev (if I have the name right, just replaced Birendra) return from recent state visit to China, was declared a national holiday. Yippeeee to all school children. Similiar trends?????
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