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| paramendra |
Posted
on 24-Sep-02 06:14 PM
The UML has come up saying if the Maoists were to cease violence and allow the elections to be held in peace, they will hold a referendum followingly. I think this is the most concrete/positive idea on the topic to-date.
What is so bad about the idea of letting people decide for themselves in a peaceful way whether or not they want to continue with the monarchy?
Esepcially when that might mean an end to the senseless violence of the past so many years?
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| uks |
Posted
on 24-Sep-02 09:36 PM
I also think this suggestion is worth giving a serious thought. Various alternatives to end this "senseless violence" should be thoroughly researched and so far this solution forwarded by UML is the most promising. I don't think anyone can claim that they have won this war. Both sides have lost failed in their mission. But, one side (here the Maoists) won't just accept the proposal that will clearly portray them as a loser. So the talk without some serious concessions on the part of the government might not proceed further. There must be something tangible in the negotiating table so that the political wing in the Maoist Party will prevail over the military wing. If the government really wants lasting peace, it has to be prepared for what appears to be serious concession on its part. In hindsight, the government was inadequately prepared last time and did not have anything to offer. In my opinion, it was very difficult for the political wing then to convince the military wing the outcome is all history....
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| Arnico |
Posted
on 26-Sep-02 04:51 PM
Paramendra ji, our man of links,
I have been searching all over the web for this statement from UML. Where did you find it?
I meant to ask 2 days ago, but have just not been able to log in properly to post.
Thanks.
Arnico.
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 26-Sep-02 05:18 PM
It was a news item at Nepalnews.com.
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| Arnico |
Posted
on 26-Sep-02 05:20 PM
must have missed it.
don't you have a link? :-)
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 27-Sep-02 01:03 PM
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| paramendra |
Posted
on 27-Sep-02 01:11 PM
Maybe we can morph this into the Election thread..............
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 27-Sep-02 01:49 PM
This referendum is a game plan. This is just a trap UML is trying to spread to strengthen its grip on power. UML always has soft corner for Maoists. UML activists are not as widely targeted by Maoists as NC people. UML knows, NC is broken and this is the best time to come to the power with majority. Deuba congress would rather support UML or others than to let Girija congress win. Same thing is true with Girija congress. They would rather support UML or others but Deuba congress. UML is united and hopes to get some floating and spill over votes.
UML is a fake communist party. What is so communist about UML, except it's name and political slogan? UML is no better than NC. Now, UML wants to push back the election date? why? UML was truely worried if NC becomes one. Now since Deuba, wants to go ahead with a comb that fear of NC unity is subdued. By saying few good words about Maoists, UML wants to prepare a fertile ground for its comrades. Under the gun, UML is not so sure who is going to vote. So, they want peace and also the goodwill of Maoists.
Referendum is just a shrewd move of UML. "What is so bad about the idea of letting people decide for themselves in a peaceful way whether or not they want to continue with the monarchy? " Nothing wrong with the idea of letting people decide for themselves in a peaceful way whether or not they want to continue with monarchy. But were people satisfied with their decisions in the past? All those MPs (lowerhouse) were elected by people in a peaceful manner. Why are people frustrated with them? What people want is neither Republic nor Monarchy. Majority of Nepali don't have time to think that far. They just want thier fundamental-basic rights be addressed. Are Maobadis truely against Monarchy? or they are just saying so? When Birendra was the king, he was their enemy. Now he is a patriot for them. They even had good words to share on Dhirendra shah.
UML also used have the same type of rhetorics in their rosy days against monarchy. Now, MAKUNE goes to dam rakhna to King Gyanendra.
So called party and their many leaders are playing with the sentiments of common people. How come UML does not launch a massive support against corruption or bad governance? What do people want right now? good governance. A people oriented govt. I support anyone who does just that. NC, UML, RPP, Maobadis...anyone but please just don't give me more crap with rhetorics. Do something and prove you work for the people. Prove, you can lead. Don't force but let me follow you.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 27-Sep-02 04:08 PM
Sparshaji,
Even if UML is a fake communist party, isn't it good?
I believe that any one who wants to go to people for deciding any issue shouldn't be
subject to such a harsh judgement.
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| smr |
Posted
on 27-Sep-02 05:02 PM
"The parliament formed after the elections should be courageous enough to hold referendum for constituent assembly or the constitutional amendment to seek a political resolution of the present crisis."
Referendum on what?
The talk of referendum sounds good but it is very vague and leaves many questions unanswered. Referendum on what? The constitutional assembly is a form of referendum giving powet to a select representatives to form a constitution. Why do you need a referendum to decide for a referendum? Plus, a constitutional amendment can be carried out, based on our current constitution, by the House. And you don't need referendum for that. You need an election to form the House, which is unlikely under the current situation.
So, to me it looks more like dodging the real issue to avoid taking a firm stand. If the UML supports a constitutional assembly then come out and say it. If they believe in doing the amendment through the House, then they should make that clear.
I have a different take on the issue of referendum:
Instead, one may approach it in two steps: form a constitutional assembly (through an election, e.g.) or by using the article 127 involving all parties-- if it is legal, come up with an amended constitution and bring it to the people for a referendum. Or secure the environment, hold election, amend the constitution through 3/4th of the majority (I think), then bring it to the people for an approval.
I think, the real issue is that no one wants to tackle the issue of monarchy. Even the Maoists are now vague about it. Unless the palace hears a clear signal on this issue from all parties involved, including the Maoists, we will be in a lull for awhile.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 28-Sep-02 08:41 AM
*Even if UML is a fake communist party, isn't it good?*
Biswo ji, No. Why? because they sell dreams to poor with that word "communist". Either be what you claim to be or dare to reveal who you are. (Here, *you* refers to UML).
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Sep-02 02:02 PM
Sparshaji,
Everyone is selling dreams to poors with phrases like 'socialism' and 'communism'.A
party should be given right to evolve on time. Thanks god, Communism, Inc. is not
a big company selling its brand name to parties around the world. In that case,
the quality controllers would have done something for UML.
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