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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:08 PM
King Gyanendra is on TV. He announces: 1. Deuba goes. Deuba's cabinet is dissolved on grounds of the its not being able to hold elections this November. 2. No elections will take place in November. 3. Starting tonight, the King holds the ultimate power until further notice. 4. The king solicits the names of "clean, non-party-political people" to form a Cabinet within the next five days. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:11 PM
Thank you, aba ke hune bho Nepalma, any indications if he is going to retain the power for a long time, like his father? |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:11 PM
wow!!!!!!! Ashu, speechless!!!!! Thanks! |
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| copy&paste | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:12 PM
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| copy&paste | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:14 PM
2017 saal again????? Thanks Ashu for your quickly information from all sajhaites!!! |
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| boston_dude | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:22 PM
"clean, non-party-political people" ????? who does the king solicit these names from? From politicians themselves? B_D. |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:25 PM
The King appeared calm and deliberate while giving his speech. He started off expressing his commitment to uphold multiparty democracy. He explained his actions by invoking the clauses of the 1990 ko Constitution. Executive power now rests on the King. He assured people to go on "fulfilling their duties" without being troubled about any of this. ************** So, who's the next PM? Kirti Nidhi Bista? oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:28 PM
Ashu, Pls...give us your opinion/observations...if it is "safe" for you to.... Thanks again! |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:30 PM
Possible Primeminister Candidates 1. Bamdev Gautam(heard from one darabar close-paper) 2. Lokendra B. Chand 3. Kirtinidhi Bista 4. Surya Bahadur Thapa 5. Some one new chosen from intellectual persons..... Let's see.......... what will happen? |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:31 PM
Sitara. Let me just report what I see and hear frm PUBLIC sources here. As you can imagine, things are in a flux right now. Details are petty sketchy. Right now, I do not feel qualified to start giving opinions until more information comes to light and can be analyzed. I say this so that I do NOT mislead/misinform you guys. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:32 PM
Sitara. Let me just report what I see and hear frm PUBLIC sources here. As you can imagine, things are in a flux right now. Details are petty sketchy. Right now, I do not feel qualified to start giving opinions until more information comes to light and can be analyzed. I say this so that I do NOT mislead/misinform you guys. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:33 PM
Thanks...Appreciate and understand it!!! You are doing us a favour here! |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:36 PM
ashu and kunjan, Kirtinidhi Bista is the most likely candidate. all others are disqualified. seems like prozac and local tharra are the sources of enlightenment. 2 hrs ago i posted a message on using dhara 127 and the same thing happened. now, i have a hunch that KB BISTA will be our new pm .. let's see... more prozac, more predictions. |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:37 PM
Can anybody shed light on what the constitutional provisions for the King "assuming full exceutive power" are? |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:38 PM
"The king solicits the names of "clean, non-party-political people" to form a Cabinet within the next five days". Well, at least there is no complete uncertainity. A cabinet is expected in five days (ma. in the 6th day). The question is, "who are going to be in that cabinet and who will be the lead?" I don't think Kirtinidhi, Surya bahadur, Marichman, or Lokendra are effiective choices at this time. An intellectual not committed to any particular political party with clean record should lead the cabinet. heram k k hune ho...aba. khel ta aba suru bho! I wonder who gave the king this idea of kicking the PM out and taking control of the govt. for the time being. |
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| boston_dude | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:42 PM
I am not the one to support monarchy in general. However, this may be exactly what we need right now. At least the king is showing he is decisive and that he is not afraid to take actions. He is also saying, "I am responsible. I will do what is necessary." He is the one in charge now and he is accountable for what happens to the country next. Let's hope he will prove his doubters (including me) wrong and comes out proving to all of us that he is indeed a true leader, a king. Let's hope this is as low as it gets in Nepali politics and that things will turn around for the better from here on. Something I wonder is, just how shocked Deuba must have been. He must have totally miscalculated what the king's response was going to be when he went to the palace with the proposal to postpone the elections. Either that or he was framed into believing so. We certainly do live in an interesting time in history, don't we? B_D |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:42 PM
dhara 27 (3), dhara 127, dhara 53 (4) study these three clauses of the constitution of Nepal 2047. it will explain everything. Why K B BIsta : Indian army withdawal Singha Durbar Kanda has proven himself eficient has a clean image isn't affiliated with any party has a good repuation in diplomatic circles (note, the king consulted with the american and chinese ambassadors to nepal) |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:42 PM
Related clauses of Constitution in this context: 127. Power to Remove Difficulties: If any difficulty arises in connection with the implementation of this Constitution, His Majesty may issue necessary Orders to remove such difficulty and such Orders shall be laid before Parliament. PART 21 TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS 128. Provisions Regarding The Council of Ministers: (1) The Council of Ministers existing at the commencement of this Constitution shall be deemed to have been constituted under this Constitution. (2) If, for any reason the Council of Ministers referred to in clause (1) is dissolved, His Majesty shall constitute a new Council of Ministers consisting of representatives from the main political parties. (3) A Council of Ministers constituted under clause (2) above shall consist of a Prime Minister and, on his recommendation, other Ministers, State Ministers and Assistant Ministers as may be required. 129. Making of Laws until the First Session of Parliament: After the commencement of this Constitution, His Majesty shall have the power to enact laws as required on the recommendation and advice, and with the consent of the Council of Ministers until the commencement of the first session of Parliament. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:45 PM
According to the constitution, article 128: King can constitute a new council of ministers consisting of representatives from the main political parties. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:46 PM
moreover: ashu, if you heard the king's speech attentivbely, there is a line "hamile biswas liyeka chau" on political parties reffering their candidates. NOTE: Biswas, which means expect and expectations can be fulfiilled or remain unfulfilled. This means, he has already made alternative provisions. And this means, a national governmnet with people who have proven their efficiency during the panchayat days before 2036. |
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| jira | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:46 PM
Thikkai bho! |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:48 PM
Deep, There was no need for the king to use dhara 128 because dhara 127 gives more power to the king. |
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| Kancho | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:48 PM
I just came back from Thamel (Rum Doodle). It was last friday night concert at the present location (they're moving). At around 10.15 lot of mobile phones started ringing. My buddy (a RNA officer) told me to go home immediatly. Few of us drove home right away. Saw whole bunch of army on the road (Singh durbar to Kupandole). Dunno what that meant. But after watching King's speech, I think I know. Dunno what tomorrows gonna be like. |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:49 PM
Here are relevant parts of the Constitution: Taken from: http://www.uni-wuerzburg.de/law/np00000_.html ***************** Dhara 27 Article 27 His Majesty (1) In this Constitution, the words "His Majesty" mean His Majesty the King for the time being reigning, being a descendant of the Great King Prithvi Narayan Shah and an adherent of Aryan Culture and the Hindu Religion. (2) His Majesty is the symbol of the Nepalese nationality and the unity of the Nepalese people. (3) His Majesty is to preserve and protect this Constitution by keeping in view the best interests and welfare of the people of Nepal. **************** Dhara 53 Article 53 Summoning and Prorogation of Sessions and Dissolution of the House of Representatives (1) His Majesty shall summon a session of parliament within one month after the elections to the House of Representatives are held. Thereafter, His Majesty shall summon other sessions from time to time in accordance with this Constitution. Provided that the interval between two consecutive sessions shall not be more than six months. (2) His Majesty may prorogue the session of both or either of the Houses of Parliament. (3) If, during the prorogation or recess of the House of Representatives, one-fourth of its members make a representation that it is appropriate to convene a session or meeting, His Majesty shall specify the date and time for such session or meeting, and the House of Representatives shall meet or commence its session on the date and time thus fixed. (4) His Majesty may dissolve the House of Representatives on the recommendation of the Prime Minister. His Majesty shall, when so dissolving the House of Representatives, specify a date, to be within six months, for new elections to the House of Representatives. *********************** Dhara 127 Article 127 Power to Remove Difficulties If any difficulty arises in connection with the implementation of this Constitution, His Majesty may issue necessary Orders to remove such difficulty and such Orders shall be laid before Parliament. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| surya | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:49 PM
Kirtinidi Bista is old. How old? How able? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:52 PM
Dhara 127 Article 127 Power to Remove Difficulties If any difficulty arises in connection with the implementation of this Constitution, His Majesty may issue necessary Orders to remove such difficulty and such Orders shall be laid before Parliament. Now, ashu: Since there's no parliament, the king doesn't need anybody's approval so dhara 27 (3) supports the use of dhara 127. and i sugegest you to read between the lines. "biswas" |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:53 PM
K B BISTA is old but is able. is active at various embassys' receptions. is a reputed diplomat, a respected leader and so far has a clean image. |
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| lonely | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:54 PM
Nepal's King Gyanendra has dismissed the caretaker Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba and his cabinet. He has also declared that he is temporarily taking full executive power of the country. The announcement, made over state-run radio, comes just one day after Mr Deuba asked the king - Nepal's constitutional figurehead - to postpone November's parliamentary elections by one year due to concerns about attacks by Maoist rebels. Earlier, Maoist rebels in Nepal condemned the government's move to delay the election. The chairman of the Maoist communist party, Prachanda, said the restoration of parliament ahead of a dialogue was the easy way out to resolve the current crisis. |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:54 PM
I guess we will find out in the coming days what assuming executive powers means but I honestly donot believe that an unaccountable Monarch will be able to save the country. I fear he will make things worse by supressing democratic aspirations. Lets wait and see what happens. As for article 128, I think it refers only to "the council of ministers existing at the commencement of the constitution" ie Bhattarais first government. |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:55 PM
Damn, isolated freak (whoever you are!) It's time to apply to law school and start mastering the intricacies of Constitutional Law now. :-) oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:55 PM
What will be Deuba & Girija's future ????? Just a thought......... |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 12:58 PM
orion: executive power here means rajya-satta (governmnet) adhikar/power. The king will prove a better leader than deuba or the ones we had in the last 13 years. In a country like nepal, whose majority of the p;opulation is illeterate, democracy simply doesn't work. We don'tw ant freedom of speech, we want economic growth, we don't want instability, we want stability and we allw ant to put an end (cul de sac) to the maoist problem. too many cooks spoil the broth, so what happened happened for good. and make no mistake, the king hasn't said anything about forming a constitution committee. so the constitution of nepal 2047 is still in effect |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:00 PM
Ashu, Do you have any information on the personal security situation of the "dismissed" cabinet members and other leaders? |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:03 PM
No, Orion, no. I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow . . . once more details start coming out. This event is such a monumental one that I remain dazed by the King's move. I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:03 PM
ashu, wish me luck. my long time gf was a lawyer and i so wanted to go to nepal law campus to study law, but parental pressure..damn.. but, still its not that late. who knows i might end up at law school next focusing on international law. ashu, the king's speech is politically correct and follows the constitutional norms. nothing that wold contradict the constitution of nepal 2047 is stated in the speech. as for girija and deuba's future, girija is pagal, we got the tretment from the same doc. and deuba, to quote His Majesty the King, "asaxyam" |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:04 PM
Isolated freak - I disagree that the King will be better. While democracy does not automatically result in development, but in a country like ours, for all of the factors you cite, democracy is needed for development. As far as corruption goes, I think the Royal family has its fair share of corrupted people, and I dont think there is any reason to believe that any of Nepals major problems will go away now that the King apprently wants to excercise direct authority. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:06 PM
Article 127 sounds vague. I agree king has undefined power under 127. Article 128 is just talks about the council of ministers (formation). Let's see what happens tomorrow. ahile ta rat parya chha oota. |
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| Kancho | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:06 PM
Like I posted earlier, I saw lot of army men (more than usual) on the road in Kathmandu while coming back to Patan from Thamel. They were mostly in trucks. Kunni k ho? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:07 PM
orion, they are all safe. the Pm is a good diplomat, better than issinger. until this evening, deuba was at the palace when the ambas. of greece, turkey etc were presenting their credentials, and after 5 hrs, he was termed asaxyam. security, they will kep on getting security until tomorrow or day after tomorrow when they all find themselves in prisions across the nation |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:09 PM
kancho, they were on their regular patrolling. no coup, nothing. no curfew nothing. so sleep peacefully, the country will go on with or without the PM for a few days |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:10 PM
IF, There is no doubt that the King is a very shrewd man. His tone was measured; his language sounded balanced and even, and he explained what the problem was, he made references to the Constitution and multiparty democracy; he explained why he had to what he had to do, and then urged everyone to get on with their lives . . . and he said all this in little over 5 minutes. As an exercise of PR, his performance was good. Damn good. We'll see what the implications of this are more clearly from tomorrow on. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:11 PM
deep, article 127 is very clear, crystal clear. ashu, i am in the same situation as you are. can't sleep now. even valium isn't woking. shops are closed or else i would go get a case of carlsberg |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:12 PM
(1) The executive power of the Kingdom of Nepal shall, pursuant to this Constitution and other laws, be vested in His Majesty and the Council of Ministers. (2) Except as otherwise expressly provided as to be exercised exclusively by His Majesty or at His discretion or on the recommendation of any institution or official, the powers of His Majesty under this Constitution shall be exercised upon the recommendation and advice and with the consent of the Council of Ministers. Such recommendation, advice and consent shall be submitted through the Prime Minister. (http://inic.utexas.edu/asnic/countries/nepal/nepalconstitution.html) |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:13 PM
the king sounded a little nervous, probably he is camera shy. but when he started giving adeshes, he seemed so confident, determined and acted like a king. |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:13 PM
I would love to see what the implications of imprisoning the political leaders will be - perhaps it will serve as precedence for the ultimate imprisonment of the King himself. |
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| chipledhunga | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:15 PM
Absolutely shocked to hear this news although the king once had said that he would not stay "chup lagera" should the situation demand. Let's just hope that this not a carbon copy of 2017. At least there has been no announcement of political parties being banned. Let's hope that law and order can be maintained, let the corrupt be arrested and their ill-earned property be used for the benefit of the people. Let the people enjoy their rights. Desh bikas ko bato ma lamkiyos. I know all this may sound utopian but let's hope that whatever has happened, it happened for good. Let's pray for the best. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:16 PM
orion no. ati bhaye pachi khati, the political leaders did more harm to the nation than the panchayat leaders after 2036. you people are away, so you think this move was unprecedented but we in nepal knew somethingw as in the coming. the people of nepal are now with the king orion. raja aau desh bachau and hamro raja hamro desh pran bhanda pyaro cha .. people have started saying this. |
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| DHUMBASSE (DUMBASS) | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:17 PM
Holy! Moly! Guakamole! Kya fast yo thread lamo bhaira rahecha. |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:17 PM
most early updated among nepali news websites is: http://thehimalayantimes.com for kantipuronline.com and nepalnews.com, we have to still wait several hours.. |
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| chipledhunga | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:18 PM
Absolutely shocked to hear this news although the king once had said that he would not stay "chup lagera" should the situation demand. Let's just hope that this not a carbon copy of 2017. At least there has been no announcement of political parties being banned. Let's hope that law and order can be maintained, let the corrupt be arrested and their ill-earned property be used for the benefit of the people. Let the people enjoy their rights. Desh bikas ko bato ma lamkiyos. I know all this may sound utopian but let's hope that whatever has happened, it happened for good. Let's pray for the best. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:18 PM
Isolated Freak, This article 127 "If any difficulty arises in connection with the implementation of this Constitution, His Majesty may issue necessary Orders to remove such difficulty and such Orders shall be laid before Parliament. " is nor crystal clear to me. First, it does not specifiy what if there is no parliament? Second, ""any difficulty arises in connection with the implementation of this constitution..." here what does "any" mean? Third, what does "necessary orders" mean? it can mean anything. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:18 PM
chipledhunga no need to be sos choked. i say the king was late in his decision. he should have done it yesterday when the PM went to the palace with the proposal to postpone the elections. |
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| chipledhunga | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:20 PM
oops, sorry for the duplication. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:20 PM
what difference will it make even if its a carbon copy of 17 saal? democratic ideals sound good when you are abroad but when you are here in nepal, you'll soon realize that all those freedom theories you learned/heard in the west simply don't work. so don't look west, look east. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:21 PM
deep: here's teh catch: the king would have to get the parliament's approval, if thre is a parliament. how can you wear a helmet when you don't have a head? its the same thing but still you can buy a helmet.. and play with it. This is law 101 for you dude. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:23 PM
play with words, read between the lines and BINGO! you get it, or else, you become an isolated freak like me |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:26 PM
Interestigly, the latest (today's) issue of The Nepali Times has these poll results (polls were conducted by ORG-MARG -Nepal, a division of AC Nielsen Worldwide, the folks who pioneered the Nielsen ratings for TV ratings and others such stuff.) They interviewd 4,025 respondents from 22 districts, giving du atention to all the appropriate variables. And asked whether Democracy is threatened: 70.3 per cent of the respondents said yes. 11.5 per cent said no 18.2 per cent said "don't know/can't say" That 70.3 per cent who said yes above was further asked to name three institutions which pose a threat to democracy. 75 per cent said: Maoists 37 per cent said: Deuba government. 35.4 per cent said: Nepali Congress 24.3 per cent said: Foreign powers but interestingly ONLY 17.6 per cent said: Palace. ********* Interesting. Very interesting. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:27 PM
Detail news from kantipuronline.com: KOL Report KATHMANDU, Oct 4 – In a dramatic turn of events, His Majesty King Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah has sacked acting Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba and assumed power until further arrangements are made. The announcement came during a brief address to the nation a short while ago and follows days of political uncertainty after PM Deuba, with the consent of several, but not all, political parties agreed to postpone the November 13 General Election by more than a year. King Gyanendra added that the next council of ministers would be formed within the next eight days that will take the nation to the elections King Gyanendra in a hurriedly arranged address to the nation broadcast on both Nepal Television and Radio Nepal, said he was acting within the framework of the Constitution of Nepal 1990 in dismissing his Prime Minister whom he described as “incapable” to hold the scheduled elections. King Gyanendra also took the opportunity to reassure the people that this was only a temporary move to fill the vacuum created by the action. “Prime Minister’s recommendation to postpone the poll by more than one year had created a vacuum,” King Gyanendra said. “It is also our (King Gyanendra’s) responsibility to protect nationalism, unity and sovereignty of the nation, to maintain law and order in the country and to lift the country out of any kind of deteriorating situation by any means available to us,” he added. “Therefore, remaining within the preamble and aspirations of the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal 1990, the Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba who has been incapable of holding the election on the schedule date, has been relieved from duty and the Council of Ministers dissolved. And the November 13 General Election has been scrapped,” King Gyanendra added. The King’s action means that Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba has been relieved from duty with immediate effect. King Gyanendra added that the new council of ministers would comprise of members with “clean image” and those not involved with the election process. Apart from asking the political parties for support, King Gyanendra also asked political parties to recommend names for the government that will conduct the elections within the next five days. However, the King specified that the suggested people “should not be standing for elections and should be bearing a clean image”. King Gyanendra also stressed that the measure was only temporary and that the new government would make proper security arrangements as soon as possible to hold elections. King Gyanendra however, did not specify the time frame for this. He also expressed his strong commitment towards democracy and asked people from all walks of life to “continue fulfilling their responsibilities”. He also specifically asked personnel from the security forces and administration to not be demoralized and continue performing their duties without confusion. (rk/sjs) |
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| surya | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:28 PM
Why is it interesting Ashu? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:29 PM
ashu, i don't think the palace has osed any threat to democracy or has violated the constitution. if a pm can dissolve the parliament at his dicretion using his constitutional rights, then the king too can exercise his rights, can't he? |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:32 PM
Surya, It's interesting in the sense that despite all the kura-kani about democracy and all that, most nepalis -- going by those opinion polls results -- are likely to approve of the King's move to -- well, ironicaly -- safeguard democracy itself. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:32 PM
osed, read it as posed |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:32 PM
Isolated freak - Being in the West for a short while does not making one any less aware of the realities of Nepal - I think most people discussing this issue are informed people and I do not think my current location is impairing my judgement. I dont believe that dictatorship, if that is where this guy is headed, will work either to solve the Maoist problem or any of the other problems you talk about. You cannot standup for the country and its people if you supress their aspirations and by subverting democracy one is throwing cold water on the aspirations of the people. I guess we have yet to see what reaction will be like, but I refuse to accept the premise that the country will be better off as a result of what could trun out to be a 2017-type coup. The problems of Nepal transend personality and one unaccounatble and possibly dictatorial King is likely to do more harm than good for the country. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:33 PM
I F dude, your example sucks. "how can you wear a helmet when you don't have a head? its the same thing but still you can buy a helmet.. and play with it. This is law 101 for you dude" When they wrote the constitution they remember to say how the parliament can be dissolved but did not think what if the king has to take necessary actions when there is no parliament. I know king has more power under article 127. I already stated that above. But the article is not crystal clear as you claim. Whoever came up with the idea of helmet knew about where that helmet should go. Head is the independent value here not the helmet. However the constutution made a helmet without thinking what if there is no head. Did you get this dude? or are you also heading for relax 101? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:34 PM
i totally, completely and wholeheartedly agree with ashu |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:36 PM
once talking to a seasoned bureaucrat/diplomat at a meeting i asked him why there had to be 17 saal, his answer was: young man, would you support if something like that happens now? My reply was yes, why not. wholeheartedly. His answer was, that's what happened in 17 saal. s 17 saal or 59 saal or the rise of jung bahadur or the fall of bhim sen thapa, they were all needs of the time |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:37 PM
Ashu - I think one has to be careful when belieng what the King says. This King has long had a lust for power and is known to harbor political ambitions - which has been demonstrated tonight. I F, doe the King have the "right" to dissolve parliament ala the PM. Of course not! Unless recomended by the PM himself. And nowhere in the constitution does he have the right to excercise executive authority ( his lates decision is executive) without the recomendation of the PM |
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| Poonte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:37 PM
Orion, After frantically searching for clauses in the contitution that would support HM's move, I came across two that were close: Article 27 (3) HM is to preserve and protect this Constitution by keeping in view the best interests and welfare of the people of Nepal. Article 127 POWR TO REMOVE DIFFICULTIES... If any difficulty arises in connection with the implementation of this Constitution, HM may issue necessary Orders to remove such difficulty and such Orders shall be laid before parliament. However, both of these articles too do not support what he did...the first implkies he's supposed to protect "this constitution," not trash it. The second requires that he channel his "orders" through the parliament. But then again, I dont think it matters anymoree, does it? He's trashed the constituition, so why need he follow it? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:38 PM
deep; nepal adhirajyako sambidahan jasari byakhtya garna pani kilcha. how can a king get parliament's approval when there is no parliament. but, that's the only clause on badha adkau fukau.. so, he had to use it. that clause gives the king powers to use his best judgement, even more powers than 128 |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:40 PM
poonte, ia rgue that both clauses supported the king's move here's why: badha adchan fukau: to keep the constitution of 2047 in effect, the king had to remove badha adchan and he used dhara 127, the otther one gives rajya-satta ko adhikaar shri panch ma nihit hune ra sambidhan bachauna jana sahamati ko adhar ma shri panch barta rajya-satta nirnaya garibaxana sakne cha bhanne cha |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:44 PM
orion, its not a coup-de-tat. its king exercising his powers. the monarchy also has some powers. if the king had not used the dhara 127, the constitution would have been ineffective starting today. the king's love for democracy is obvious when he said that he is only using dhara 127 supported by rajya-satta dhara. so, no constitutional abuses or harm done |
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| nepaliketo1 | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:44 PM
ok, I think this is all conspiracy. Now now question maoist coming up with such a power(who is behind this),massacre then after taking kingship for a year taking the power. There is a blonder mistake from politician like girja to help king to take this step. Now what we back to panchayat kaal. Folks don't forget what they did to us.I think we as the people should fight back against this.let's do out best to fight for our right. You know currents kings history. And his son too. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:46 PM
poonte, what makes you think the king trashed the constitution? Take a look at the Article 127. The article is vagye (What he did is within the constitution). When constitution clearly says after the dissolvement of the parliament an election should be held for it within six months then why the hell deuba went to the palace to extend the poll by more than a year? He was trying to create a constitutional crisis.He was asking for what he got now. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:48 PM
panchayat, prajatantra or bhad-bhailo tantra, nepal will remain nepal. what did we get in the 12 years of democracy? and deep: the inventor of the helmet knew where it would go, but the seller probably might not no.. and he has every rights to sell it to anyone who pays him the money |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:48 PM
Isolated freak - If the King really had love or respect for democracy and the rule of law, the first thing he would have done would have been to put Paras in jail. After all, Paras is the biggest example of people in power abusing thier positions of authority to get away with what would reasonably be called criminal acts. All this talk about commitment to democracy may be hogwash - we will have to wait and see what happens in the next few days. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:49 PM
I personally don't think there will be much protest for what the king did this evening. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:50 PM
deep, now you are getting it. suppose, the king had agreed to deuba's ptroposal, then that would have been the total violation of the oncstitution, disrecpect to the supreme court and institution of monarchy. so what he did was the best of the worst available options. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:52 PM
orion: why shouldn't he put you in a jail for disprespecting the institution of monarchy? and did you actually witness the so called "mis-doings" on the part of the Crown Prince? |
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| ashu | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:53 PM
Nepal King Fires Prime Minister and Disbands Cabinet By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 2:20 p.m. ET KATMANDU, Nepal (AP) -- Nepal's King Gyanendra fired the prime minister and disbanded his Cabinet on Friday -- the first time since the end of the absolute monarchy in 1990 that the king has ousted an elected government and its leader. The announcement, made over state-run Radio Nepal, came a day after Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba had asked the king to postpone November's parliamentary elections by one year because of concerns about attacks by Maoist rebels. In his radio speech, the Nepalese king said he had dismissed Deuba and his cabinet for failing to hold elections on schedule. ``I have decided to relieve incompetent Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba, who was incapable of holding the parliamentary election on schedule and have disbanded the Cabinet,'' the king said. The rebels, who have been fighting since 1996, have threatened to disrupt the elections. They have also called a general strike from Nov. 11-13, to coincide with the first round of voting. Nepal was governed by an absolute monarchy until 1990, when a multiparty political system was introduced. The king became a constitutional figurehead but retained a certain amount of authority. Gyanendra assumed the throne after his brother and eight members of the royal family were killed on June 1, 2001 by Crown Prince Dipendra, who also shot himself and later died in hospital. The rebels say they want to abolish the monarchy altogether, but keep the democratic institutions. The Election Commission had announced a six-phase balloting process to enable troops to move across this Himalayan nation to protect voters and candidates. The guerrillas intensified their attacks after the government lifted a state of emergency in August to allow free campaigning ahead of the elections. Emergency rule was declared last year after the rebels abruptly ended peace talks with the government and resumed attacks on military and police. The emergency rule curbed civil liberties and gave security forces sweeping powers to detain people without trial. More than 5,000 people have been killed in the six-year insurgency, which the rebels claim is inspired by Chinese revolutionary Mao Zedong. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:53 PM
ashu, lost? |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:54 PM
Given that elections appear impossible, the best option to "remove difficulties" would have been to look into restoring the parliament and having the government - current or new - be accoutable to parliament. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:55 PM
democracy doesn't work everywhere. read the coming anarchy. finally, ashu is back in da game |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:55 PM
Oh dont tell me Paras didnt do anything. Common even you dont believ that. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:58 PM
orion, i heard rumors, but i didn't see anything. orion regarding the other posting: no, the king could not have restored the parliament, it would have been a direct violation of the cosntitution and disrespect to the supreme court. if heb had done so, then, the 14 judges who were on the panel would have ended up in jail for misleading the country. |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:58 PM
He was trying to create a constitutional crisis -Parliament dissolved. -Nepali congress split. -Parliament was not reinstated by supreme court. -Election comission took more than two months to decide validity of nepali congress faction issue -Political parties came in concllusion that no election can be held. --------------------------------- Constitutional vaccum was created. It was accidental or it was pre-planned????????????!!!!!!!!! |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 01:59 PM
and where in the world have you heard that supreme cort's decison is overturned? it never happens. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:01 PM
kunjan, blaming the king at this point is pointless. |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:03 PM
*.........Guess now Who killed Birendra?????????????? |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:03 PM
Guess Now Who killed Birendra? |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:04 PM
The supreme court itself can over turn it - I think the King could very well have asked for the advise of the Supreme court on this matter. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:05 PM
punte, YOU! you killed birendra sarkar. unless, you have evidence to prove otherwise, you are guilty until proven innocent |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:05 PM
Was he looking for to create such a situation? Just a thought......... |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:06 PM
As for putting me in jail, because I speak against him, I would be suprised - our Kings are famous for doing that and there is no reason to think this one will be any different when it comes to supressing speech |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:07 PM
I haven't been to nepal for last 7 years :) Now I am innocent freak |
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| orion | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:08 PM
I meant I would NOT be surprised ( if he put me in jail). Slip of the keyboard. |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:09 PM
please read article on http://www.nispakshyaweekly.com.np/ "Bamdev Gautaam ko pradhanmatritowma sarbadaliya sarkar banaune bhitri sahamati" |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:11 PM
orion: no, there is a bnajir (preceedent) and in mnay countries, the supreme courtt's decisions are final. if the court itself had overturned its decision, then the supreme court of nepal would have been a joke. They dissolved the parliament many times in 12 years and except for one time, all were approved by the supreme court , plus the constitution of nepal gives rights to the Pm to dissolve the parliament in his discretion. in a parliamentary democracy, this is PM's right. aren't we a parkliamentary democracy? |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:14 PM
King chastises Deuba New government in 5 days King reiterates commitment to democracy Life normal in Kathmandu after the King's announcement (nepalnews.com) |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:14 PM
kujan this is old news, we'r talking tato tato samachar |
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| Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:18 PM
I really think that king is trying to bring order to the nation. If he can get the election done and restore peace, more power to the king. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:19 PM
100 messages in less than 2 hrs. this is probably the fastest piking thread. |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:20 PM
-Prime Minister Deuba came in for heavy criticism from the King who called him "inept" at least twice for failure to hold elections as scheduled on November 13 -The King was busy the whole day Friday before coming to his crucial decision. The King met US .Ambassador Michael E. Malinowski Friday afternoon and the Chinese envoy to Nepal. -He first addressed the nation after ascending the throne on June 4 last year. The King made no mention of the Maoists in his address. The King also made no mention of exact new election dates while committing himself to elections. -The King said a new government will be formed in five days. Persons who will not contest elections and with a clean image will be included in the government, he said. The King asked political parties to support him. -There was no prompt reaction in the streets of Kathmandu after the announcement of the King to assume the executive powers and the dismissal of Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba Friday night -Security is tight all over the city (rh) nepalnews.com br Oct.4/5 |
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| alnepali | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:21 PM
Dunno much about the politics and socio-economics, but I definately know things are going the RIGHT direction when people start accepting responsibilities. Be it the King or the Secretary. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:25 PM
kunjan, i was the first one to mention that king met with those two envoys. so that news is also basi, chiso dude. go back to this thread:-) |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:27 PM
I F, I knew Deuba's recommendation to postpone elecetion by more than a year created a serious constitutional vaccum. I am not arguing on that. I am also not arguing whether what the king is constitutional. What I mean is Article 127 is anything but crystal clear. "the inventor of the helmet knew where it would go, but the seller probably might not no.. and he has every rights to sell it to anyone who pays him the money" OK, I guess the buyers are the Nepali people but who is/are the inventor(s) and the seller(s)? of your "helmet" I F? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:27 PM
ashu, where art thou? browsing NY times? |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:28 PM
correction: whether what the king did is constitutional |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:31 PM
let it be like old panchati byabastha........These corrupt sefish political parties and neta le nepali lie kharani banai sakeka chhan. Khana napayepani janata takamse kam janata ta khushi theye. yo moro bahudal ayepachi sappai kura bhata bhunga hudi gayeko chha |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:33 PM
what the king did is totally constitutional. let me write this in nepali because the valium i took a while ago has started to create a vaccum in my brain... dhara 127 is not vague. it can be defined in two ways. its like a double edged sword kina bhane: shri panch le sadan samakshya rakhne anumodan ko lagi, tara sadan nai chaina bhane kasko agadi rakhne. tyasmathi rajya satta ko adhikar maharajdhiraj ma nihit cha, tyo dhra ra dhara 127 jodedra herne ho bhane, maharajdhiraj sarkar ko kadam atttyantai sandharwik cha. |
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| Poonte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:35 PM
Even though I have always been a ardent opposer of a return to the Panchayati style one-man show, I have yet to see further developments to come to a better picture of what HIS intentions are. So, more about that later... For now, I feel comfortable coming to one conclusion: My conviction that Mr. Gyanendra is a very shrewd, calculating individual is further deepened. The timing of his announcement--dashain ko time, madhya raat ma...remember last year too, when he made the announcement of Paras' new title as the crown prince--early in the morning, tika ko din |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:37 PM
Wow !!!!!!! 38 postings in this thread is only by" isolated freak ". (y) |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:42 PM
isolated freak has opened up. no more in isolation...or should he go back to isolation.. ket's hear doc. pagal's opinion:-0 |
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| surya | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:43 PM
Isolated freak.... you are coming aross as rather obnoxious... "so that news is also basi, chiso dude. go back to this thread" Take a chill pill, bud. Everyone is concerned and a little repition does not hurt and people say what they have to say. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:50 PM
surya, point noted. call me obnoxious, no problemo. i call myself a freak so... |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:52 PM
Peace Freak bro |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:55 PM
I F, why does a constitutional monarchy needs a double edged sword? I still think Article 127 is a crystal clear article. Also, you have not clarifed who is the inventor and seller of the helmet you're talking about. I already stated I am not questioning whether what the king did is constitutional or not. Je hos, I hope things get better in Nepal. This is all I care. A good governance is what we need. |
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| Poonte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:55 PM
More taja khabar... Various politcal leaders call King's move impractical...deuba calls it unconstitutional (which is true, BTW)...looks like they r frantically trying to re-instate the parliament now re... |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:55 PM
Isolated Freak... You come across as well informed as you have been answering most (if not all) the queries. I'm sure you can do better without the psychobabble! Appreciate your inputs. :) |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:57 PM
Artha ko anrtha bhe chha.. I F, why does a constitutional monarchy need a double edged sword? I still think Article 127 is not as crystal clear article as you are saying. Also, you have not clarifed who is the inventor and seller of the helmet you're talking about. I already stated I am not questioning whether what the king did is constitutional or not. Je hos, I hope things get better in Nepal. This is all I care. A good governance is what we need. |
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| surya | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 02:57 PM
here we go again!! |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:02 PM
deep: in every system, there is a check-balance system. the parliament had all rights, the PM was super-powerful, but that doesn't mean the constitution tied the hands of the king. it gave him some powers because the institution he represents is also a power house. The inventor of the helmet, the political leaders/advocates who were in the constitution committee the sellers: MPs the buyers: The king and the people my lame analysis. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:05 PM
constitutional monarchy does not mean that the king can't make any decision. the king has powers vested on him by the constitution of nepal to make certain decisons at the time of sankatkaal, sankramankaal and sambaidhanik badha-adchan fukau kaal. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:06 PM
"Constitutional monarchy does not mean that the king can't make any decision. the king has powers vested on him by the constitution of nepal to make certain decisons at the time of sankatkaal, sankramankaal and sambaidhanik badha-adchan fukau kaal. " Agreed but the rules need to be very specfic. |
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| Hellbound | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:07 PM
Whatever happens, happens for good:) |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:07 PM
Dashain ko belama Nepal ra Nepali ko sukha ra sambridhi ko kamana, gyanendra le sabai lie santa ra khushi banaunun, nepal ma rajtantra nai suhaudo chha. Political party ko bakhyan garne huru.....political parti le k lachare ahile samma??? nepal lie jhan jhan khaldo ma pare. political party aafu baliyo hune baheyek janata lie kehi garena tesi le pohor sal jeth unnaies ka din birsiyera rajtantra nai aaos..........nepali huru sukha sanga basna paun.....rajtantra ko malie matlab chaina..tara nepali le santi paun jai nepal |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:11 PM
see that's where the constitution makers made mistake. they thought the king would take over so they tie his hands but they unknowingly left loopholes such as dhara 127/128/27 etc. in a way, these clauses were included to give the king powers toe xercise at time sof crisis. |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:13 PM
| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:14 PM
"I wanted elections, I had decided to postpone elections because everybody requested me to do so. That is why I decided to defer elections as per the Constitution and according to the wish of all political parties," Deuba further said, adding, "I cannot be removed constitutionally." (KOL) Now, he couldn't have postponed the polls constitutionally either. its like, whatever the leaders do is constitutional, and whatever the kig does is unconstitutional. what a lame excuse! |
| czar | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:16 PM
The politicos squabbed like fish mongers wives, all the while the country sank under the weight of poverty, social inequity and injustice. Not to mention the war between the Maoists and the RNA. Lead, Follow or Get out of the way is an adage I believe in strongly. The King chose to lead, for better or worse, rightly or wrongly. |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:17 PM
Isolated Freak ji, Please, do go on.... I am politically challenged...but some things are starting to take coherent form. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:21 PM
KOL Report (Posted 1:30 a.m.) KATHMANDU, Oct 5 – “I am shocked,” deposed Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba told Kantipur Online late Friday night after His Majesty King Gyanendra branded Deuba "incapable" and took all the executive powers. The ousted PM also said that the King cannot remove him as per the Constitution. "I wanted elections, I had decided to postpone elections because everybody requested me to do so. That is why I decided to defer elections as per the Constitution and according to the wish of all political parties," Deuba further said, adding, "I cannot be removed constitutionally." .... "I cannot be removed constitutionally." Really? So, the king removed him unconstitutionally? more work for supreme court? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:22 PM
we talk about 17 saal's "un" democratic move. my question is how many of us were born in 17 saal and how many of us real;ly know what really happened then? can we realte these two incidents, 17 saal and 59 saal? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:24 PM
no. he couldn't have posted the polls constitutionanly either, so, no work for the supreme court because whom is he going to file the case against? no cases can be filed against the institution of monarchy in the supreme court of nepal |
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| surya | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:24 PM
it'll be interesting to see what the other folks say - the one who were not deposed, who might see an opportunity in this for them... |
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| czar | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:25 PM
Motion can not be a subsitute for thought. Merely an expression thereof. He had to act, and act now. If not now, when ? This was the moment, he seized it. If not, in the long run, this would have been the biggest nail in the coffin for the insitution of monarchy. The King could NOT reach paralysis by analysis. |
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| Revival | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:25 PM
We all wish and hope that this is the beginning of the fading away of "Sati's Sarap". Comon it is a very harsh curse. If such is the case...and I am sure if a suitable environment for building the bleeding Nation can be seen in the not-so-far future, this will be termed as one of the most important historic move. Herau ajai kati yo ankha le ra kan le dekhna ra sunna banki cha. Waiting for a new beginning... (may be the wait is almost over) Revival |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:27 PM
surya interesting observation indeed: but the king has asked the political parties to provide him with the names of their ministrial candidates for the all-party/national governmnet who have clean image and who are not going to be candidtaes in the next elections. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:28 PM
czar: BINGO! |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:31 PM
other leaders say: Madhav Kumar Nepal, leader of the main opposition party in the dissolved House of Representatives, said that the step the King took today was "unexpected and impractical." Nepali Congress spokesperson Arjun Narsingh KC said his party has taken today's “new turn” in political development very seriously. However, NC CWC member Narahari Acharya said that the King's move has come as "unexpected and surprising from a constitutional monarch." He also accused PM Deuba for leading to this situation. “But the King instead of warning Deuba to defer his stance, he took the decision, which is totally against the constitutional norms,” he added. Rastriya Prajatantra Party vice-president, Dr. Praklash Chandra Lohani, said his party would make formal comments only after assessing all the political developments at the next central committee meeting. People's Front Nepal vice-chairman, Lilamani Pokharel, commented that the King's move was "an end of the spirit of the democratic system in the country." (sjs) |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:35 PM
I am trying to watch news-video from Nepalnews on this recent development but I kept getting an error message from Real player "couldn't connect to server using http". I wonder if others are able to watch that video. |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:36 PM
If only election will do any good for nepal Has it done any good since last election We were supposed to have 3 election for in 10 years (first fifth and tenth year of bahudal) but we already have close to 10 election in 10 years Do Nepali people understand what is UML or ML NC or New NC 's principle? I'm sure even some of the candidates do not know it. Why we have 100s of registered parties??? To confuse the heck out of people deciding where to stamp on ballot paper? |
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| surya | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:37 PM
Is there anyone left who can speak with authority who is NOT vested... I mean as a potential candidate for PM? |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:43 PM
"..he couldn't have posted the polls constitutionanly either, so, no work for the supreme court because whom is he going to file the case against?" So, whom with Deuba consulting with regarding this postponment? How come none of his "sallahakars" advised him otherwise? Yes, no one can file a case the institution of monarchy but can they challange in the court against the action though....not putting the king himself in defense but just the act of dismissal of the cabinet....I am just wondering. We know Court can overturn King's dismissal of the parliament if found the act (dismissal) unconstitutional. |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:43 PM
Deep I think its your problem , I am watching it now..Only the black screen but I get the sound though..... |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:44 PM
thanks punte. this error sucks! |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:47 PM
Deuba further said, adding, "I cannot be removed constitutionally." Poor Deuba!!!!!! What can he do now against the KING???? Then what will be its impact in Nepali Politics in coming days? Girija/deuba/madhav nepal/surya b. thapa/..... go with MAAOBADIS??????????? |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:51 PM
Surya: As far as my observation goes, Kirti Nidhi Bista could be our next PM. But there are other likely candidates too. This is just a hunch. I am 75% sure on this. Deep: No, deuba can't go anywhere now. he doesn't have any man to prove that the king's move was unconstitutional because the king used the rights given to him by the constitution. if he goes to the court proteesting the dismissal then the chances are more of himn being asked on what basis he reccomended the postponment of the polls? was it constitutional and so on. he can vverywwell say, well i had a meeting with the eladers opf major political parties and they all agreed for the postponement but that's a very lame argument because there's no provision for thr polls postponmnet in nepal adhirajyako sambidhan. so he himslef will prove unconstitutional. all his aides need a lesson on redaing nepali and nepal's constitution. |
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| prashant | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:51 PM
Long live the King....i believe in him that he'll do the best for the country..there was no way that the country could go forward with the same players of the last 15 years....let's hope for the best....Any recommendations for the next PM ? What about Surya Nath !! |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:53 PM
kunjan Good point...I don't know about SB thapa, he will be in king's side. But its likely that Girija, and madhav nepal will do. But poor deuba will be wallo ghat na pallo tir |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 03:56 PM
the real culprits: 1. Hom Nath Dahal 2. Prakash Sharan Mahat 3. Girija Prasad koirala 4. Govinda Raj Joshi 5. Arjun Narsingh KC 6. Madhav Kumar Nepal 7.Surya Bahadur Thapa and all the leaders of so-called major political parties because they decided on something very UNCONSTITUTIONAL yesxterday and now they are blaming the king for being unconstitutional. The first two in the list are PMs advisors, who are misleading the PM and the nation. |
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| Deep | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:00 PM
la thik chha....aba ghar jane bela bho... deuba le chit khaira hola.....khum b khadka pani yaso garna hunchha ooso garna hunna bhanthe.....wagle guru pani CIAA ko kich kich ma...Gupta bhai lai ni bolayo kyara CIAA le aba yini haru pani kanfuj bhaira holan....Girija lai taal paryo...afule khana ni pa haina PM... khaira Deuba lai ni laat hanera nikale.... je hos...dashain aai ra chha! ghumti ma naaau hai.....aankha timi judauna ...... |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:00 PM
Punte Girija oncee made a very bad remark rtegarding the institution of monarchy, so he's out of the game. Madhav nepal can't lead. Deuba could have emerged as a powerful leader, but he himself mesed everything up. Bamdev is a good orator when it comes down to spitting venom against the king.. so who is left except for the ones who were in the panchayat days before 2036? and SB Thapa made a mistake by agreeing to Deuba's demand to postpone the polls, so, he's out too. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:03 PM
Unofficial translation of HM King’s Address to the Nation: Dated: 4 October 2002 Beloved Countrymen, The greater good of Nepal and the Nepalese people is our only goal. History is witness to the fact that the Institution of Monarchy in Nepal has always been guided by the wishes and aspirations of the people. We have, time and again, expressed our commitment to democracy and we would like to assure our countrymen that democratic ideals will always continue to guide us. It is known to all that in keeping with the tradition of the Shah dynasty to remain ever dedicated to the paramount welfare and progress of the Nepalese people, the democratic multiparty polity was reinstated in the Kingdom in 1990 in accordance with the wishes of the Nepalese people. It is also clear that during the 12 years since its reinstatement, a number of political exercises have been adopted for the consolidation of democracy. In this spirit, we had, at the recommendation of the Prime Minister, dissolved the House of Representatives on May 22 and set November 13 as the date for elections to the House of Representatives. The Prime Minister, who was entrusted with the task of conducting the general elections, had made a submission to us for the removal of difficulties under Article 127 of the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal, citing the current adverse situation prevailing in the country as the reason for not being able to hold the general elections on the stipulated date in accordance with Article 53 (4) of the Constitution. This led to a constitutional difficulty and void, creating a complicated situation in the country. As it is our responsibility to preserve nationalism, national unity and sovereignty, as well as, to maintain peace and order in the country and also to ensure that the state of the nation does not deteriorate for any reason, a situation has arisen wherein, by virtue of the State Authority as exercised by us and in the spirit of the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal-1990, as well as, taking into consideration of Article 27 (3) of the Constitution, Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba should be relieved of his office, owing to his incompetence to conduct the general elections on the stipulated date in accordance with the Constitution, and the Council of Ministers dissolved. Similarly, the general elections slated for November 13 also needs to be postponed. We, therefore, issue the following orders in accordance with Article 127 of the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal-1990. 1. Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Dueba has been relieved of his office as of today, October 4, 2002, for his incompetence in not being able to conduct the general elections on the stipulated date, and the Council of Ministers dissolved. 2. The general elections to the House of Representatives to be held on November 13 this year have been postponed. As it will take some time to make new arrangements, we will exercise the executive powers of the Kingdom of Nepal until such arrangements are in place and we ourselves undertake the responsibility of governance in the country. We are confident that the political parties will extend cooperation in constituting a new Council of Ministers by sending recommendations, within the next five days, of persons who have clean images and who will not be participating in the forthcoming general elections. We will never allow the commitment and allegiance to Constitutional Monarchy and the multiparty democratic polity to be compromised. The government to be constituted will make adequate arrangements for peace and security as soon as possible and conduct the general elections. There is no need for security personnel, civil servants or the countrymen to deviate from their responsibilities and duties. We are confident that everyone will fulfill their duties from their respective places and that, with the best wishes of the Nepalese people, all will be well. May Lord Pashupatinath bless us all! Jaya Nepal! (Translated By: Kantipur Publications, 5 October 2002) (sjs) |
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| punte | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:04 PM
yup........time to go home |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:06 PM
i might head home as well. it was nonetheless good discussion |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:09 PM
-King Gyanendra added that the new council of ministers would comprise of members with “clean image” and those not involved with the election process -------------------------- Hey Kirtinidhi Bista has also his Registered Party Rastriya Janata Parishad has been also involved in election process in the past. Kirtinidhi Bista himself was candidate from Kathmandu consituency no. 3. ++++ >>Kirti Nidhi Bista could be our next PM. But there are other likely candidates too. This is just a hunch. I am 75% sure on this ------------------------------------ Then IF ji, whose name are there in your 25% list??????? |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:31 PM
Assessing King Gyanendra's Move Paramendra Bhagat October 4, 2002 http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/2002/king.html I just got online, 3:30 PM US central time, logged into Sajha, and noticed there is a new thread at the top: Deuba sacked. No thread before has grown that fast to my knowledge. This is big news. I proceeded to various news destinations on the web to check up on the matter. Then I came back to read all postings at the Sajha discussion forum thread on the topic. The King has sacked the prime minister and usurped executive powers. My observations:
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| surya | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:46 PM
Kinda funny how the thread came to a grinding halt! I think the link would have sufficed, Paramendra. :) |
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| surya | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:49 PM
Any reactions from foreign govenments...? what does India say? |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:53 PM
Surya! :-) Only in this case, the "copy and paste" is my own writing! |
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| kunjan | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:54 PM
Surya, not yet. Internal affairs of nepal.....hehe.... but, how can foreign governments explain our constitution????? Do they have right for it??? |
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| Jame Bonds | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:55 PM
Hmm Paramendra not practicing what he preaches. But what's new. It's a good quality for politicians. Paramendra wrote in many threads asking people to only post links and not copy and paste everything. And he turns around and posts his link as well as the contents. Talk about contradicting oneself. Talk about having double standards. The news of the King taking over however, does not surprise me one bit. I was in fact beginning to wonder why he's been kinda late in doing this. After the news of the royal massacre, this news fails to create a sensational news as it should have been. |
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| Jame Bonds | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 04:59 PM
Here is a proof of Paramendra's double standards http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=7311 |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 05:00 PM
"Paramendra wrote in many threads asking people to only post links and not copy and paste everything." Don't copy and paste. I meant that for news reports and content from other websites. What I have posted is my writing. And I wrote it for the Sajha audience. It is just that I also published it at my website. |
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| Aludai | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 05:34 PM
It is sad that our democracy came to meet this kind of end.But if we look at things carefully, our political leaders in the last 12 yrs were corrupt, unconcerned and incapable also. They were the ones fighting for personal power and glory when masses of people were dying in a civil war.They travelled to foreign countries looking for commisions from the arms sale when the country was in such a dire strait.And how can anybody even with an i.q. of 80 propose to postpone election for 14 whole months?I don't know what Deuba wanted to do during that period. One thing was clear to me- our politicians did not have the necessary will and intelligence to guide us through this situation.The past experience is the testament to it.So what other options are there? I still believe in democracy.There should be a system of check and balance.It is much easier for a dictator to be corrupt and deviate from a straight path. But, I think, King's action was probably the need of the hour. Hopefully, we will have, a system in place very soon and election will become a reality.I sincerely hope that all concerned (including Maoists) will learn a lesson from it and use their strength for the right purpose.In summary, I hope all will grow wiser! Hopefully the days of peace and security will be back to our country.This is the prerequisite for any development or prosperity. |
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| Nepali Kanchi | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 06:20 PM
a few years ago, when King Birendra was still alive, and Maoists were not causing too much havoc, someone I know from the Nepal Army told me : Army man: You know about the Moaists in the village? I said: Yeah I know them they are underground rebels who want a communist state in Nepal! Army Man: You are so naive, the Maoists are a creation of Gyanendra, he wants to use them in order to attain more power in Nepal. I will bet you a million rupees that one day Gyanendra will come into power in Nepal. be it a milatary Coup or be it some other way, his prime intention right now, is to eventually be the most powerful man in Nepal. He is working on it! I said: That is so ridiculous, no one will let him becoem powerful, because he has a history of being a corrupt buisnessman, and his son in a murderer! Army man: We'll see about that, dont forget the million rupees you owe me, better start earning fast !! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You all may think I just made this up, but I sware to god this really happened , I think it was exactly 4 years ago!! His words are haunting me now! To my own surprise , turns out that that Army guy I knew was not the onlyone who had ideas about Gyanendra's cruel intentions! I mean what now!!!!???? Its scary I dotn think I can sleep , I am gonna have nightmares of being in a jail like , or me being dragged to a haystack in remote Nepal and shot dead, 20 bullets in my head! I am terrified, I really hope Im just overeacting, and that Gyanendra will deliver what he promised! I have no faith in him whatsoever!!! Hope he proves me wrong................ |
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| KingBhakta | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 07:33 PM
How long do you expect the head of state remain watching the naked dance by political parties. We as citizen of Nepal were frustrated by those power hungry corrupt peoples. |
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| VillageVoice | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 07:53 PM
Ashu, tks for the breaking news and the updates. Yes, the situation is in a flux, and it still remains to be seen how the King justifies his move and whether the people will buy his story. He has his job cut out, though. As usual, India's role will be crucial. If Indian leaders come out strongly against the King - and particularly the Indian government - he will have a tough time. King Birendra found that out in 1990. And Americans? Let's wait and see. We *are* living in interesting times, aren't we? A bit too interesting. That said, I am pretty much with Orion in most of his assertions. My commonsense says King Gyanendra has a pretty indefensible case, though I am no constitution expert. My understanding of the 1990 constitution, modeled on the Westminister system, is that the king makes no mistakes, meaning that he is only the rubber stamp. Well, we can, with wisdom of hindsight, argue whether the framers of the constitution were right in doing so. But that's a different story altogether. When they sat down to draft the constitution (after decades of autocratic rule), their overriding concern was to strip the king of executive authority. Even assuming that that King's intentions are/were good, (Musharraf said the same thing when he removed Sharif, didn't he?), it's hard to see how one can remove an elected Prime Minister from office, and keep up the public support. And Deuba ... What a sad and sorry story. He was willing to compromise on anything with the Palace so long as he had the office. Now the irony of it all: the Palace kicks him out. The next few days/weeks, it will be interesting to follow the press for constitutional provision/s (and agruments thereof) that give/s the king the ground to sack the Prime Minister. And the world reaction too. But equally interesting will be how the Nepali press reacts to the royal takeover. The last ten years, the press has been busy calling names to politicians; now the burden lies on the press to show where it stands. In the meantime, I hope King G. doesn't muzzle the press--and SAJHA :) Ashu, I am sure you will keep us posted. As for the man on the street going to his/her business as usual, I am not surprised. Tens of people are getting killed everyday like mula kateko; the law and order situation is hopeless; and the politicians are busy suabbling.... |
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| czar | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 07:54 PM
The King is a lot smarter than people think, a lot tougher than most hope and more ruthless than the opposition can cope with. The show is just beginning. You ain't seen nothing yet kid. |
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| VillageVoice | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:01 PM
Czar, I only hope the King doesn't see the dissenting subjects as his oppostion !!!! |
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| KingBhakta | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:12 PM
What will be Deuba & Girija's future ????? Just a thought......... Deoba will go to USA and Girija will go to hell (die). What else do you expect? |
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| Desh_Bhakta_Bhattarai | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:13 PM
 Nepal is known as "halla-i halla ko Desh", "Kura-i kura ko desh", "gaaf-ai gaaf ko desh" As there is and old Hindi saying -- "Baat Ka Batan-gar" Most of us Nepalese do that. I do that. Ashu does. Pashchim does that. Biswo does that. VV does that. We all do that! You could say this just by looking the comments stated above. Just look at my comment! Just to say "We Nepalese are gaaf-adi, I wrote a whole paragraph! Now that shows that we, esp. me, are chatterboxes! I just wanted to make everybody comfortable to the irony now being stated by me. Well, I am not the only one to state this, but still... _________________________________________ Democracy, a government of the people, by the people and for the people. There are several factors that make a democracy -- the fundamental rights (freedom of speech, press, property etc.) If one of the factors are missing, obviously, the government cannot be considered a democracy. In the prehistoric times, people didn't care about anything -- they just hunted, lived and let lived. Then as humans progressed, they began to organize and thus, it was a dawn of civilizations. In a course of time, many river-vally civilizations started emerging -- the Egyptians and the Mesopotamians. As societies evolved further, there were many rises and falls. In Greece, in about the early phases of the first mellinnium A.D., a new kind of governmental system started to emerge -- a system in which every person was supposed to be a part of the government. It was called "Demo-kratia" in which "demo" meant "people" and "kratia" meant "rule". So "demo-kratia" was "people's rule", i.e. democracy. As the centuries progressed, human became more and more advanced. In 1492, Christopher Columbus, a Spanish explorer landed in a strange land that he thought was India. It was, in fact, the land of democracy -- America. In 1776, America became free of the Colonial rule. This inspired many other people, and thus, democratic societies started to emerge, but slowly. (Continued...) |
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| Desh_Bhakta_Bhattarai | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:30 PM
Story of Democracy...towards Nepal (continued...) In the mean time, (a few years before america was free)in a small Himalayan kingdom known as Gorkha, the King was preparing to unite the Himalayas. He had an ambition to conquer Nepal (the Kathmandu Valley). The king was no other than King Prithivi Narayan Shah. In a course of time, he conqured almost all of the Himalayas, and formed a new country, which was to be known as Nepal. As time passed on, many events happened, not only in the Nepalese history, but also the history of the world. Nepal was captured under the Ranas, imperial powers, such as Britain, France and the USA began to appear. In a course of time, the world witnessed two great wars - the world wars. Scientific and technological developments were appearing in the speed of light. However, the Nepalese people were still in darkness. As they became more aware, the Nepalese people united and threw away the Rana regime and formed a democracy in 1951. This was one of the many democracies that were formed at that time. But ten years later, Nepal's democracy was killed. Nepal was an absolute monarchy now. No one could free Nepal from the strict rules of King Mahendra now, no one... Nevertheless, all men die one day...King Mahendra died too, and his son Birendra ascended the throne. The democratic people had many hopes with king Birendra. They hoped of getting back the democracy and live, and let live. However, the absolute monarchy lasted about 2 more decades, but finally Nepalese people got their democracy back. Everybody regoiced, cheered, shouted "Hail to the King!" Continued... |
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| VillageVoice | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:38 PM
#It's scary I dotn think I can sleep , I am gonna have nightmares of being in a jail like , or me being dragged to a haystack in remote Nepal and shot dead, 20 bullets in my head! I am terrified, I really hope Im just overeacting, and that Gyanendra will deliver what he promised! I have no faith in him whatsoever!!! Hope he proves me wrong................### I hope so too. Hey, nepali kanchi, your fears are very much understandable ... |
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| VillageVoice | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:44 PM
Parmendra said: **...a timetable [for election] has to be announced within a week at the latest. Or the country might go down the path of Musharraf democracy, and then the king will be a supreme suspect, giving grounds for the abolition of the monarchy. ** I am with you one hundred percent there. The earlier he draws a clear road mad, the better. |
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| nepaliketo1 | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:47 PM
guys please don't forget namita sumita kanda,bhaktapur murtikanda rupak sharma kanda all kinds of taskari. and then paras killing people his atitude think about time when paras will take over and king has absolute power in nepal. |
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| Nepali Kanchi | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:49 PM
This announcement has come when from today, saturday, we have a long week-end, monday being the leave for 'ghatasthapana', the first day of 'dashain' and at a time when the whole nation is in 'dashain' mood. Note Gyanendra also announced Paras as Crown Price during the festive moods of last Dasain. A time when most Nepalis are busy celebrating !! This man is really out to spoil all the fun, isnt he? Since Monday is an official holiday, do not expect any "developments" until next Tuesday!! |
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| Desh_Bhakta_Bhattarai | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 08:52 PM
Continued... On June 1, 2001, king Birendra and his 8 other family members were murdered. This was known as the "Royal Massacre". Nepalese politics was in chaos. Although the government was curropt, Maoists were doing violence, and there was some chaos, the Royal Massacre turned to be "aago ma ghi-yu" (fuel on the fire). King Birendra died, so did his son, Dipendra, and Prince Gyanendra was crowned. Chaos silented. On September 11, 2001, The Land of Democracy was attacked by terrorists. The pride of america, the twin towers, stood no more. President Bush declared war against terror. The terrorist group, al-quaieda was attacked. Maoists were next targets of war against terror. November, 2001, the Maoist insugerents went too far -- they attacked the millitery. The state of emergency was declared, for the first time since 2017 B.S. The military started their actions against the Maoists, who were declared terrorists. Some months of chaos, mild, go on. June 2002, the parliment is dissolved by PM Deuba's request. Elections were scheduled to be held on November 13, 2002. On October 4, 2002, King Gyanendra decides to dissolve the whole government, retaining powers to his hand, and declaring the PM incapable of ruling. He cancealed the elections and gained powers. Now what next? Will "Panchayat" be back? I would usually end an article by saying Nobody knows, except God itself. but this time, I end it in this way: Nobody knows, except Gyanendra Sarkar himself. ________________________________________________ ~Desh Bhakta Bhattarai |
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| Nepali Kanchi | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 09:15 PM
Hours have passed by , and CNN has not even reported the subject on its website at all, funny, how we Nepalis are so torn apart, and these so called "free media" are not even one bit concered. |
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| Desh_Bhakta_Bhattarai | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 09:18 PM
If you want News on Nepal, go to all other news websites except cnn and fox. They provide one line of News after 2 days of some breaking news event in Nepal! ~DBB |
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| ruck | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 09:27 PM
hi folks I am amazed how everybody thinks Gyanendra is wrong. He might be doing all this with clean intentions. If we have given all these corrupt politicians plenty of chances, why not give it to him. Of course we are all wary about losing our 'democracy' but again did we gain anything by having it for over a decade now? 10 elections in 10 years? Did we HAVE a democracy?? i think Gyane bro is doing his duty, trying to be responsible when others have taken the country to the drain and not had an ounce of guilt. In all these years, all they did was mint money left right and center, to last for 'sat pusta'. All i am sayiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing... is Give gyane a chance..... ALN |
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| Soleil | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 09:33 PM
Aaannnnnncccccchhhhhh ni ho..ke sarho rella hau? Yo latthak lai ni kehi korna man lagyo hau, despite being a dim-witted novice that I am:) Since when was there DEMOCRACY in Nepal, other than a baloney DEMO-CRAZY? And, a better one yet, in Matri Bhasa DWAAN-GYA-KWASI. For those folks who think Nepali is the mother tongue, it is Newari (Ranjana Lipi) that is listed as the main language of Nepal. It is indeed, the reversal of 2017; adding more fuel to the consipiracy theory that sprouted with the Royal Massacre a year ago. Like Father Like Son? You bet. Gyanendra undeniably proved himself the more shrewd kind than his dad, that he knows how to grab on the ball. Who is our savior? We don't have to go too far. We have him on right here in Sajha with his visions for Nepal. ;) Peace all. |
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| hyaterica | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 09:40 PM
 Sher must be shocked..eh ?
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| hyaterica | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 09:50 PM
sorry, didn't mean to post it twice...but his face must be looking somewhat like the above.. |
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| KingBhakta | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 09:56 PM
Girija failed several times. Gyanendra knows that Girija is one of the most hated politicians in Nepal. Madhav Kumar Nepal failed when Lauda Air issue went to wrong direction, by abrupting the session completely and Bharat Mohan Adhikary said "Bhatta and Lauda Air" are different issue and received the Bhatta during the bloody session. Makune saved his colleague Bhim Rawal in the similar scandal. Everyone is watching him. Makune again failed, when he tried to share the power. King smelled it bad. Makune wanted to get more votes misusing the government resources e.g. helicopter, and budgets to police and govt. officers. King realized Makune is also a useless guy. Panchayati peoples, RPP, exploited the name of King and looted public property. King knows it for long time. Deoba is great joker of this century in Nepal. Now, nepalis hate multy party politicians as much as they used to hate Royal family until 2046. Now, peoples have even started to excuse Mahendra for 2017, "Yastai bhayera ta ayo hola ni 2017 saal". Ahile 21st century ma ta yasto chha, 50barsha agadi jhan kasto thiyo hola. King got right time. In next 6 months, he must wipe all corrupts from frontline politics using CIAA. King is clever enough to give something better to us, to make his image best within the worst images in Nepal. Keep on tuning the Time Machine. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 11:07 PM
everything calm, quiet and peaceful in the valley. no protests, actuallty all the leading newspapers have welcomed the king's move. |
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| hyaterica | Posted
on 04-Oct-02 11:46 PM
isolated freak, are you kidding me? they actually welcomed the move ? |
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| kalanidhi | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:09 AM
you nepalese got good topic to talk huh!! That's what you're known for huh!!! You can't do anything about it, so why you guys do weak at the kees..duh!!! Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kala:) |
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| Anaconda | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:41 AM
Long Live The KIng!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jai Nepal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| ashu | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:49 AM
One can believe the polls or not believe them. One can argue with with the polls ko methodology and so on. One can even say that one set of polls means nothing. That's all fine. But the latest extensive Himal Media/ORG-MARG polls (published in the new issue of Himal Khabar Patrika) does show, as I wrote earlier in this thread, that most Nepali janata ACTUALLY seem to think that the Palace poses the LEAST threat to democracy, far less than the Maoists, Deuba government, Nepali Congress and foreign powers. More than anything else, I find that this result poses an interesting/challenging conundrum in an academic sense. If democracy means "voice of the people", then, let's face it, most people actally say that the palace posed the LEAST threat to democracy. This makes me ask two questions to all including myself: First: Despite all the theories of democracy this and that, have the Nepali democratic liberals just NOT understand the voice of the people, which says something DIFFERNT from what the liberals would expect? [I use the word "liberal" here to mean one who supports multi-party pluralism.) Second: How does such a liberal reconcile his/her faith in democracy with what the people acatually seem to be saying about the Palace? Then again, we live in interesting times in Nepal. On the surface, life seems to go on just fine in today's Kathmandu. Major newspapers appear to be welcoming the King's move -- or at least they are not directly critical, though Nepal Samacharpatra wondered whether this is the END of democracy as we know it. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| Aludai | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 05:22 AM
If our leaders had been doing well, unselfishly guiding the country, then this move would have been harsh. On the contrary, there seems to be a consensus that our elected leaders failed us.Their attitude was negative and all they seemed to be interested in was, sticking to power whatever the outcome. May be this would act as a jolt to all and have better outcome in the future. Let's face the other reality.The King has taken a huge gamble; if this is unsuccessful his very existence will be in doubt.No doubt our other leaders could easily go back to India and spend the rest of their lives there- it has been heppening time and again.For King, there will be a great difference. But I Ihink, in the prevailing circumstance , this was the gamble worth taking.This might just save Nepal from becoming another Congo or Columbia. Hope good senses will ultimately prevail! Hope we will return back to democratic way soon with 'better' leaders. I have every faith in God Pashupatinath and the destiny designed by him!He will look after all of us whatever the circumstances. |
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| SOULFREE | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 08:31 AM
Damn!! I just heard the news today. And I feel good. Although whoever comes in the power doesn't really matters to me. "Kano Goru lai Aushi na purne". These politicians -- Before they come to power, all of them seem like great people, Something like Idol. After few years in the power, all they become is as bas as bad boy Billy Idol. I feel good about Gyanendra taking over the Power. I welcome change. Sick and tired of these damn chyau umreko jasto parties, and those friggin' leaders we follow, who friggin' literally "SHAKES" when he is givin' the "BHASAN" in English. All these Big leaders in Nepalese political parties are like "napaune le kera paayo bokrai samet chapayo". Before they came to power, everybody praised them. Bamdev kya khatara re, KP bhattarai is "baalbramhachari" re, Girija Gai prani re... After they came to power, they showed their true color. I hope Gyanendra will line up all these big NETA's and shoot them... Kill 'em all... So that we can hope for better tomorrow, once again, like we always did. "Ghar phohar bhayo bhane safa garnu parcha ni, hoina ta?" Please, GIVE us SOME GOOD NETA that WE could Follow. Someone that we could be proud of. Not hawaldar, or whatevers.... |
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| ashu | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 10:47 AM
Most people in Kathmandu -- the ones I spoke to today - appear to be relieved and happy that the King is now in control. [Sure, mine could be a biased sample; then again, I am NOT running regressions on sajha :-)] Heard (though have NOT confirmed) that there was a pro-King julus in Ason and Indrachowk. Moreover, saw quite a private vehicles, all sporting Nepali flags. I was touring around the Kamladi, Thamel, Kantipath and the Durbar Marg area around 7 pm. Saw this candle/diyo-lit celebration in front of the Durbar this evening. In attendance were about a two dozens or so youngsters -- clad in jeans, shorts and T-shirts. Nobody seems to feel sorry for any of the political netas. Let's see what other developments bring. A rumor is rife is that Ramesh Nath Pandey is likely to be the next PM. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| SOULFREE | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 10:55 AM
ashuJi.. I sincerely think you should be a Prime Minister. I hope you would bring some joy to Nepalese face. I am not kiddin'; |
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| ananta | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 11:05 AM
Yeah, ashu, I saw some photos of pro king julus in websites. Ooops, These days photos can not be posted directly in sajha. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021005/168/2dtwh.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021005/168/2dtwo.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021005/161/2dtua.html Whatever happens, Ramesh Nath Pandey is number one player in Nepali Politics. Let's remember how he tried to be a Chairman of Rastriya Sabha two years ago. Some newspapers even wrote that he was bargaining with deuba for some powerful Ministerial post in Sarbadaliya Cabinet. When Panchayat was in its last days, He was also selected for cabinet member along with few others(lokendra, pashupati, achyutraj regmi and he). After restoration of multiparty democracy, he was able to become a member of Rastriya Sabha for more than ten years(?). BP wrote in his "Jail Journal" that Ramesh is very very clever person, usalai pachhi jiwanma unnatiko khudkilo chadna kunai kathin parne chhaina. |
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| ashu | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 11:12 AM
Soulfree-ji, Thank you for your thoughts. You know, if I have learnt anything useful in my life so far, it's that consciously following that Greek philosopher Socrates ko dictum -- "know thyself" -- brings one immense peace and happiness and makes one very productive. That's because, by now, I am old enough to know that there are things I can do very, very well, and there are things I simply cannot do very well, and that's life. That is why, I have learnt to be self-confident about what I can do and be upfront about what I CANNOT do. Believe me, there are lots of things I cannot do, and I am NOT bothered about them. You know, it'd be great to throw snippets from my resume here and be dreamily self-congratulatory about my whatever potential for political leadership all that stuff. But honestly -- deep in my heart -- I do NOT think I can do politics in Nepal, and that's really that. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| SOULFREE | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 11:13 AM
Jun Jogi aayeni kanai chireka!@!! %^$#%%$^ |
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| SOULFREE | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 11:20 AM
Ashuji, the above reply was not for you but for ananta Ji's article. If you think you cannot do politics in nepal, than neither do all those politicians. What we need is a good person... a good politician. And, I believe that you can be the one. Provided, you have as good lot of ministers as you. Otherwise, THEY will crush you. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 11:52 AM
Ashu: "A rumor is rife is that Ramesh Nath Pandey is likely to be the next PM." Who is this guy? Ramesh Nath Pandey. |
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| ananta | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 11:57 AM
Hey SOULFREE ji, I am not saying that Ramesh Nath Pandey should be made PM of Nepal what I wanted to say is: RNP is also one of the DHURTA Political Player without affiliation of political parties like other leaders( who also held talk with Maoist Leader BRB; It is said). |
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| ashu | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:11 PM
Paramendra, Here's a link that gives you some info on RNP http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/englishweekly/spotlight/2001/apr/apr13/national4.htm oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:19 PM
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| hyaterica | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:23 PM
para ji, hudd kar di aapne ! |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:32 PM
‘True Leaders Emerge During Difficult Times’—RAMESH NATH PANDEY Spotlight Interview Ashu. Thanks. * I like it he met the two top Maoists. * I like what he says about Surya Bahadur Thapa. Thapa is a crook. "He was the prime minister when the national referendum was held, whose outcome is questioned by a great many." * He is a monarchist. Obviously. That makes him suspect. * On the Maoists: "History has proven that use of force cannot quell the war of thoughts. The only way to solve this problem is through peaceful negotiations." A monarchist willing to talk to the Maoists. What will they talk about, the abolition of the monachy!? |
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| SimpleGal | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:47 PM
I heard about the latest developments in the political scenario of our nation. Let’s all hope for the better is the bottom line of my thoughts on it. Regardless of what might be said about King Gyanendra’s actions (whether constitutional or otherwise), I personally think he’s the only and fitting watchdog for the unruly "herd" that the Nepalese government has become in the past decade post democracy. It takes a shrewd person to deal with chaos and maintain order. History and mythology have depicted this plentifully. And it's high time for change. If dubbed risky, then we should ask ourselves: what has the last decade been? Nothing but risk taking. What will another drop do to a brimming vessel? In peace. |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:54 PM
i second ashu on this one. RNP is a dhurta neta and can think of ways to get the nation out of the crisis. but, i also feel that the chances of KNB being our next Pm is more compared to that of RNP. If i were to believe my sources, RNP will head a special delagtion to negotiate with the maoists. but this is nepal, no one knows what's going to happen next. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 12:57 PM
And now who is KNB? |
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| SimpleGal | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 01:14 PM
Paramendraji, KNB is Kirti Nidhi Bista. The most likely next PM of Nepal. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 01:16 PM
Some of the names that are being bounced around at Sajha: (1) Ramesh Nath Pandey. (monarchist) (2) Kirti Nidhi Bishta. (former Pancha) (3) Dhanendra Bahadur Singh. (former supreme court supremo) No better names available? |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 01:24 PM
Simple Gal I agree with you absolutely... Our country needs change...(anykind ) from this deteriorating malady afflicted by anarchy and irresponsibility!!!!!!!! I only wish for the best of our country and people; not just for one sole person or a small group of people wielding power! I pray for PEACE too ... (not coerced by military power....) |
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| COPY&PASTE | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 01:42 PM
RNP about Gyanendra: But some politicians said they were confident of his ability to steer the country forward. "He has been on the throne for less than two years but he is mature and experienced and has a clear vision for Nepal. He has a total commitment to multiparty democracy," Ramesh Nath Pandey, a member of the upper house of parliament, told Reuters. He is a well-read monarch, according to Pandey, and loves poetry. "He not only reads all national and international newspapers, he is also interested in the latest books, basically on international affairs, environment and politics." |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 01:50 PM
...And????????? Is he perceived better than BUSH????????????? I f he (Gyanendra Sarkar...) is perceived and known as such.......Then HE is my man!!!!! Anyone who can surpass "his ignorant Bushiness!!!!!!!!" Slight digression there, steered by foreign policy ko kura!! |
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| SimpleGal | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 02:21 PM
Sitara (will drop the ji from now on, hai? :) I concur with Copy-paste's posting. I heard Gyanendra sarka speak on NTV this summer while in KTM, and was impressed by his impeccable Nepali...no "Ninglish" as my dear little sister calls the hybrid Nepali lingo of today. :) And he is certainly well-versed, well-read, and exudes confidence, both in his thoughts and actions. We need to give him the benefit of the doubt and support the steps (let's hope they're taken in a constructive and productive direction) he takes henceforth. Dubte ko tinke ka sahara hi kafi hai, as the old Hindi saying goes. In peace. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 02:30 PM
MSNBC Nepal Maoists denounce king's move as fascist .. called for a ''united struggle'' against the move......... So the Maoists would like to invite the two Congresses, the UML, the RPP, the Sadbhavana, and other leftist parties to join its violent "struggle" against the monarchy!? |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 02:32 PM
Simple Gal... My Hindi bad... .... lamentably so!!!! :( |
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| dry | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 02:43 PM
WHAT A PITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So now what we Nepalese have to depend on is how the king is?? How others have to say about the King?? We hope he thinks about the welfare of Nepalese people..We hope he doesn't support the maoists...Is he going to supply ammunitions to Maoists?? Where did he study from?? Is he well educated?? Does he speak Nepali very well?? He sacked Deuba. Is it under the constitution?? What does the constitutions actually say??? That the king cannot take any actions against which he thinks can be the step towards the development of Nepal. The election taking place in 14 months is such a joke. And who is sure that the elections are going to peacefully take place after 14 months. Who is sure that there won't be any maoist problems them?? With his pathetic actions, Deuba deserves to be sacked. We have already seen what the army can do. They have given support to the government that they will cover up for the peaceful elections after 14 months. To be honest I really thought that if the army was deployed they would blast the maosts in no time. I changed my view until they got blasted themselves. So for the time being, I am hopeful that the King turns out to be what we hope he will and thus history will not repeat itself. I am ponting my fingers to 17 sal. |
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| COPY&PASTE | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 02:57 PM
News Analysis:Why Nepali King sacked PrimeMinister? (by chinese newspaper: beijing zaochen bao) 1. Incapable of holding the election on the schedule date(not necessary to explain again) 2. Before Some months ago, under direct support of king Gyanendra, CIAA began its Anti-Corruption Campaign. Suryanath Upadhyaya told Deuba to take resignation of 5 cabinet members. King himself also asked DEUBA for resignation of those 5 Ministers(?), but Deuba did not have courage to do so, crisis between King and PM deepened and at last PM was sacked from his post. Is No. 2 also true for this action??????? http://news.sina.com.cn/w/2002-10-06/0256756817.html |
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| surya | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 03:06 PM
Copy and Paste: When did RNP say that. I read the interview Ashu posted a link to and that was from April last year... the monarch he was talking about then was Birendra. He pretty much said the same thing about Birendra too... that he was totally committed to multiparty democracy... Birendra might have been, but unfortunately he lacked Gyanendra's decisiveness. I am hoping that Gyanendra is totally devoted to multiparty democracy and that this is a temporary measure. I just wish we had better candidates for PM... nothing against Kirti Nithi Bista or RNP or the Dhanendra guy, but they have all been in the mix of things for decades and decades... what makes them more effectual than Deuba? Why will they be any different now than they were before? And I hope the Maoist are paying attention. From what I have heard people seem to be looking at the King's move very favorably... I think that just indicates that people are really tired of the violence and the stalemate the nation is in. I hope the leaders of the "people's war" will pay heed to the people for a change and really consider coming into the fold... but unfortunately looks like they are eager to continue the strife from Prachan's recent announcement. I really hope that these misguided and misguiding leaders of the Maoists movement will get what is coming to them... the wrath and disappointment of the people of Nepal…. And I hope Gyanendra will play a part in putting an end to this state of limbo. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 03:07 PM
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| COPY&PASTE | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 03:10 PM
Surya, probably he said it today. from today' news: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=1379283 |
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| makuro | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 03:13 PM
Copy and Paste, Point#2 seems to be true based upon the Kunda Dixit's recent reportage/analysis in Nepali times. He writes "King Gyanendra had been on a collision course with the Deuba government ever since the prime minister told the king two weeks ago that he couldn't sack five powerful Nepali Congress ministers in his cabinet who were seen to be corrupt. " |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 03:14 PM
"King Gyanendra had been on a collision course with the Deuba government ever since the prime minister told the king two weeks ago that he couldn't sack five powerful Nepali Congress ministers in his cabinet who were seen to be corrupt. " This is of interest. Will someone please provide the web address for the source? |
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| COPY&PASTE | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 03:17 PM
para, http://www.nepalnews.com.np/ntimes/issue114/breaking_news.htm |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 03:45 PM
CP. Thanks. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 03:49 PM
Nepali Times: King G does it: Stunned nation gives King Gyanendra cautious approval KUNDA DIXIT The best article on the crisis of all I have read over the past two days. Thanks CP for the lead. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 04:02 PM
The opinions polls at the same web destination are also of interest. VOX POPULI The Congress, UML and the RPP all have declined in popularity. For good reasons. The Congress has been the status quo, and that status has been bleak, massive corruption has been the Congress' gift to the nation. The UML has counted too much on the TINA factor: there is no alternative. Instead of putting forth a proactive vision. Detailed programs. The RPP, I have always maintained, is a sorry apology for 30 years of s-it. The smaller parties like the Sadbhavana are also on the sidelines. Not much rise in popularity. The CIAA ought to move full-steam, now that Khum Bahadur Khadka is no longer around to harass them. ....Respondents were asked to qualify the state of the country at present. Over 65% said “bad”, 26.5% said it was “horrifying”,........ Nearly 55% blamed corruption, 40.2% blamed the Maoists and 35% said it was because of poverty..........A full 80% of the respondents felt talks were the only way to resolve the insurgency, while only 5.5% believed in a military solution. .....14.5% wanted a referendum...... 39.1% favoured the Deuba Congress, while 31.3% were for the Koirala Congress......... the Deuba Congress is seen to have about eight percent of the total popular vote, while the Koirala faction has about 10% ......... 41.32% of respondents supported the king’s authority over the Royal Nepal Army. After the army was mobilised against the Maoists in November, this figure has fallen to 29%. About 35% said the army should be under the control of the “government”, up from 20.7% last year. ..........In another question about who is best placed to resolve the country’s problems: one third of the respondents felt it was an all-party government, 23.6% felt it should be the responsibility of the Deuba government, and 18.7% said the king was a solution. ..........More than one-third of all respondents felt the constitution should be amended Don't blame the people for the bad shape. They seem to know. |
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| orion | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 04:04 PM
Parmendra, As Kunda Dixit points out, if the King intends to destroy the parliamentary system, then he polarizes Nepali poltics between two extremes - maosism and royalism - both of which will be worse for the country. Also, Gyanendra has always harbored ill will towards democrachy and all this talk about "love of democarcy" could very well turn out ot be pulling wool over the eyes of the people. If the King usurps power then I fear stability in Nepal will only return when Gyanendra looses his throne, if not his head. The country has over the course of the last 60 years moved away from autocracy and Gyanendras atteps to to reverse this will create more problems than it solves. While initial reaction to this move, maybe favorable in some quarters given peoples frustrations with the current system especially the ruling party, this move is dangerous to the long term stability of Nepal and I belive driven my Gyanendra's greed for power. I hope he proves me wrong but I doubt he will. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 04:10 PM
Well, Orion, Gyanendra or no Gyanendra, you just turned this into the longest thread at Sajha! |
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| Parijat phul | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 05:24 PM
Ashu, Please keep us updated with freshest titbits about the latest political turnovers in Nepal. Thanks |
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| isolated freak | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 07:55 PM
sitara, i have a hunch that the king recently finished reading The Coming Anarchy, of course, supplied to him by none other than RNP. |
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| DWI | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 09:14 PM
Here is a link on Prachandra's statement about the latest happening. Sorry If it has been posted earlier: http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/news/021005_rj_prachand.shtml |
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| WWW.Pokhara.Biz | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 09:23 PM
Ex-minister Gupta under house arrest KOL Report KATHMANDU, Oct 6 - Police has kept the outgoing Minister for Information and Communication Jayaprakash Prasad Gupta under house arrest since Saturday afternoon, a family source said. Gupta, who has been summoned by the Commission for Investigation of Abuse of Authority by Tuesday to come up with his claims within five days, was taken into police control when he was about to return home after participating the meeting of Nepali Congress (Democratic) as a special invitee. “Four police personnel were waiting for him on his vehicle to take him in control,” a party cadre, who escorted him to his jeep, said. According to a party source, Gupta was informed immediately about his house arrest when the police personnel said that they were asked by the higher authorities to take him under house arrest. Four security personnel are guarding Gupta in the ground floor of his house at Sinamangal, near Tribhuvan International Airport, while he was staying at the first floor, a neighbour told Kantipur Online. The CIAA has asked Gupta for his deposition on a number of cases related with purchasing process of telecommunication equipment. (yo) |
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| WWW.Pokhara.Biz | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 09:29 PM
King will get support from public, if he puts them in jail. Khum bahadur was also said to be asked to return to KTM, when he tried to escape out of Nepal using surface routes. |
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| hyaterica | Posted
on 05-Oct-02 09:31 PM
 these were the fools who were ready to die but not let gyanendra take over after birendra was murdered last year. I thought I was the only one to have mood swings.. |
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| Naresh_karki | Posted
on 06-Oct-02 11:20 AM
People changes with time....this is natural :) |
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| 13-thum | Posted
on 06-Oct-02 11:59 AM
hyaterica, if people do not change their views, you do not need to conduct election every five years. whoever wins once will win forever. the change of view are forced by the pathetic performance of deuba and his corrput assistants. HAINA RA |
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| echoes | Posted
on 06-Oct-02 12:57 PM
THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT AND RIDICULOUS. Democracy is supposed to be an institutional process and there must be a defined and democratic way out for any such "crisis". What is an un-elected power-seeker trying to do here? No matter how corrupt the politicians have become, it is not the king's business. They should be dealt with in a democratic manner, and our democracy not being very effective so far is nothing surprising. All new democracies have been through a similar phenomenon. And that is how you grow. I think, the institution of a "constitutional monarchy" in democracy is nothing more than a respect for the local tradition. There should be no room for a monarch in an active political sphere. I found it very unfortunate when King Gyanendra sought to seek control of the population citing the "tradition of the Shah dynasty". Wasn't the 1990 movement a clear example of people's disapproval to this so-called "tradition"? I have some questions that I would like to seek answers to from those experts here in Sajha who've been really supportive of the king's move: What defines a "crisis" in democracy that seeks a king's active intervention? Who decides it? What are the parameters so that they can be measured? If you approve king's dissolution of an elected executive branch this time, how would you react if he does something similar again in a different "crisis". Are you not giving the king an extra-special privilege to subjectively decide a "crisis" and act upon it they way he prefers? Would that be a democracy? Thanks. |
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| SITARA | Posted
on 06-Oct-02 02:47 PM
Echoes...Ji Definitely thought provoking questions you have raised here! hmmmmmm nice! |
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| Aludai | Posted
on 06-Oct-02 03:42 PM
I can understand the outrage and possibly frustration at the failure of the system. That the country is in crisis is not a secret to anyone.People killed in single numbers even do not make it to the news. A prime minister who could not do anything for more than a year dissolves the parliament. Then he proposes to postpone the election for a further year. What is his agenda here? Just clinging to the chair. All of us have agreed that our leaders have failed us.And if so many of our countrymen dying is not a crisis, then what is a crisis? Now if election were to have been possible, we would have simply voted for the change.That is not an option. So what's the next option? King is an institution.This is recognised in constitution.If he does not act in a situation like this, why bother having a king?The King decides the matter in consultation with the ' wise men'. He is accountable for his actions to the people and to the history. You could argue- could a president do the similar job? Now in a multicultural society like ours, I am happier having a King than a 'President Koirala' or 'Deuba' and so are most Nepalis.The day this changes, monarchy will not exist. If our leaders have been doing a good job, there would probably have been spontaneous expression of mass outrage and next........... who knows? As such most people are not bothered and there have even been reports of celebrations with lighting in Newroad. I do not mean to say that dictatorial system is good. I believe in democracy and that dictum of ' for the people, by the people'. But we have not been living in the golden age of Nepal. If our leaders are better prepared, transparent and honest, I hope this situation will not arise. |
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| Aludai | Posted
on 06-Oct-02 03:52 PM
I mean, this situation will not arise in future. I am assuming that we will have elections and will revert to our democratic system. |
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| ruck | Posted
on 06-Oct-02 04:06 PM
I agree with what aludai has to say. What is the use of democracy when there are loopholes and flaws in every other government sector. People are dying , some getting killed by maoists and equal number by starvation. Hey friends, just ktm alone is not nepal, there is so much poverty around the capital and what about the far remote areas of nepal. To enjoy democracy, a country needs to have a strong infrastructure, maoists have been blowing up the telecom, expensive bridges which is the only source of connection for people living on the other side. The traders have denied supplying food to the maoist affected area, whatever little grain they have, have been looted by the gurrilas? what democracy are we talking about? freedom of speech?? when the IGP suggested to postpone the elections due to security reasons, he was asked to give a letter of explanation? is this what democracy is????he couldn't even speak his mind as a responsible citizen of a country. The rich are getting richer and the poor poorer, the idiot mantris have been stuck with their own internal fight, when a non policatal person (alone) like anuradha koirala is doing work which no mantri can repay her back. All I want to say and emphasise it time and again that it is all very easy to say preserve our democracy by sitting in front of our computer, go and ask a person who doesn't have a grain to feed his child??? Is this what we want ?? SUFFERING? POVERTY? ILLITERACY? FEAR? |
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| dry | Posted
on 06-Oct-02 04:07 PM
Echoes, Certainly, some quality questions you have raised. The king's interventions comes at a time when the country was in a crisis. The major problem certainly was the maoists. There were many other things, the people in higher positions looting the country, having illegal accounts. The alternative, Army not being able to handle the maoists. To be honest with you, I thought the army could bring down the maoist charge in not time. But that didn't happen and they are still killing 3-4 maoist. 1 in morang, 1 in sunsari, 1 in dang, 1 in rolpa. The casualities of the Army side, the whole barrack turned to dust. My question is, How long is this gonna continue?? But you can say that there were other alternatives, why didn't he choose to undertake it? Well, all I can say is, that was one of the alternatives towards Deuba's lamentable actions. Well what do u expect the King to do, just sit down like a statue in the throne and watch all the scornbags rip the country apart. By the way tell me what are the next alternatives if you have?? People say there are so many of them, I am eager to hear what they are. To your next questions as to who decides it, the constitution decides it. But has it written in the constitution that the King cannot take any actions, let it be the sacking of the PM, if he thinks that the country is in crisis and he needs to step forth to change the way of life?? If not sack the whole constitution. Its written wrongly. I am saying this because the constitution doesn't think of the development of Nepal rather saying that the PM cannot be sacked with his pathetic actions. Do hell with that. Extra previledge?? Who gives King the previledge to decide?? The people. The King is for the people. By the way have you read some news lately. There is a big rally going on in Nepal thesedays, supporting the King's actions. So there shouldnt' be any questions raised for giving King the extra previledge, definitely as for right now. And is that a democracy?? Well what is democracy?? Government by the people. I guess it is, right?? Coz I can see people rallying in support of the King's decision. To be honest with you, I was one of them who was against King Gyanendra in the throne. But then we have to change with time. If we continue saying that he shouldn't have been in the throne, we are going nowehere with that. For right now, I think he has taken the right step. Lets hope that he turns out to be, what we hope he will. By the way lets see what we can do. We need some change here. If he can do it, let him do it. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 07-Oct-02 01:07 PM
http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/2002/king2.html The Best Option For The Five Parties Paramendra Bhagat October 6, 2002 What Deuba did six months back has been done. The parliament got dissolved. Likewise, the king has taken his step. There is no going back on either count. The best option the five political parties, the UML, the Koirala Congress, the Deuba Congress, the RPP, and the Sadbhavana, have is to take the king on his offer, and return executive powers back to the Prime Minister's Office from the Royal Palace. The king has said he will not retain powers for more than five days. Don't let him. The king has asked that each party submit two names. That puts the size of the cabinet at 10. And I think the UML, by virtue of being the largest party, ought to get the Prime Ministership. And a cabient of 11 members is large enough for a country the size of Nepal. The king has said each such person should have "clean" images, and ought not be contesting the forthcoming elections. There is no going back there either. So the political parties should be able to present people who will pass the CIAA-test for cleanliness. The second condition is not that arbitrary either. These people could be nominated by the political parties into the upper house down the line. So I say, take it. Take the offer. If the political parties hesitate, the king is going to look beyond the five parties, perhaps to monarchists whose careers took roots in the heydays of the Panchayat, and that would be a bad sign. What if such an interim government is not able to hold elections? Then the possibility of the king taking total control, aka his villain father King Mahendra, will loom large. At least, if the five parties take the offer, they keep the king away from executive powers. That is important. And an interim government in which all five parties participate and which is headed by the UML will be the one in the best position to find a political solution to the Maoist problem. Once it bags the Prime Ministership, the UML will probably go back to its idea of offering a referendum to the Maoists. And if the Maoists don't take that offer - I feel they will - then they will create grounds for an all-out attempt at a military defeat by the police and the army. A parallel here can be drawn with Sri Lanka. The Tamil Tigers started out wanting a separate country altogether, now they are willing to settle for a state. The Maoists might have started out by wanting a communist dictatorship, but they might settle for a republic that continues to have a multi-party framework. Such options have to be kept at the table. But much political skill is required to get the Maoists to come to the table. Deuba lacked them. His approach was to announce that the current constitution can not be changed, and the Maoists need to lay down their arms, and then talks might be possible. That did not sound like an invitation to dialogue. The UML is in a better position to understand where the Maoists are coming from. Any other option sounds like a recipe for further instability because if the Maoists remain entrenched as they are, forget organzing peaceful elections also six months from now. And an UML-led government is less likely to harass the CIAA as it continues its commendable anti-corruption drive against the Congressias, the Panches, the corrupt among civil servants, and, possibly, the Darbariyas. So, I say, take the offer, take it, and let the king go back to being a figurehead. The worst the five parties can do right now is to choose to not stay engaged. |
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| Poonte | Posted
on 07-Oct-02 01:31 PM
If there were loopholes and drawbacks in our "democracy," of which there were plenty, then they should have worked on correcting those problems, thus making democracy finer. One path that will NEVER help us accomplish better democracy is autocracy. Democracy from autocracy? Come on, now! Am I the only one confused with this phenomenon? |
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| An Indun Poet | Posted
on 07-Oct-02 07:26 PM
Its not about what the king did, actually I am all for it. But for met its more about how he did it. He could have done this (maybe a little differently) with the support from the UML and NC Congress (Girija), and rather than saying I did this, it was from the 2 major parties suggestion. I know UML and NC would not agreed to the exact framework, but still there could have been something similar. Then there would not have been any problem with the Constitutional breach. So lets see what happens: 1. King resumes power through lingering this issue for a while. Result: NC, UML and Maoists will have the same voice--remove the institution. Maoists alone have been successful in threatening the RNA, so there is now doubt they will be overwhelmed if and when NC and UML joins. 2. If an election is held and UML or NC come in power, they will make sure the King does not have the same kind of power again and may make constitutional ammendement-- that might be hard to digest for the king and a crisis could follow at that time as well. Just a thought. |
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| KingBhakta | Posted
on 07-Oct-02 08:00 PM
if the political parties have public support then peoples would have already emerged into the street. for a few more months, peoples will keep their mouth shut just watching the new turns. if the situation continues or worsen more, people will slowly forget the corruptions misuse of power by political parties and start appearing on streets in their support. new faces of leaders will emerge, a new set of corrupts for next 10years. pramendra ji has made a good analysis. political parties should accept kings offer and head for government. king will not accept bamdev, madhav will decline the offer. Oli can be a good choice, but madhav will not let Oli become PM before himself. Subhas Nembang can be a very good choice for PM and Nembang is clean and a lawyer by profession before 2046. Tara Nath Ranabhat is another choice for king because Tare had done a very good job in last year's royal massacre mess. Tare is also a lawyer, not a dumb like Deoba. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 08-Oct-02 10:34 AM
KingBhakta: Subhas Nembang is a name of interest to me. |
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| Poonte | Posted
on 08-Oct-02 10:41 AM
Tare did a good job in last year's royal massacre investigation? He was a clown!!! Ratatatatata-bhatatatatta...remember??? |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 08-Oct-02 11:05 AM
Is it true neither the Deuba Congress nor the Koirala Congress wish to participate in the interim government? Is that their way of saying the Maoist problem is intractable? I hope we get a UML Prime Minister. They will deal with the Maoists better. As in, in trying to broach a political solution. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 08-Oct-02 12:21 PM
http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/2002/nepal3.html Rapid Economic Growth For Nepal: What Would It Take Paramendra Bhagat October 7, 2002 What would it take? This is a topic I have visited often from different angles. And I expect my interest to remain. One, my personal history of having grown up in the country, where my parents, my brother and sisters live, and the emotional attachment that will forever remain. Two, my predilection for active politics. I dabbled in politics with the likes of Hridayesh Tripathy before coming to the United States to attend college. I became my college's student body president at the end of my freshman year, a record. I read everything on Bill Clinton I can get hold of. I have broached the possibility of some day running for Congress, although, for now, I just want to be able to write full-time; the possibilities of going into software or law remain. I keep up with the news on Nepal - the internet makes it oh so easy - and have become a regular at Sajha.com. I am a news junkie in general anyway. Three, as a student of politics and economics, the second poorest country comes across as a human laboratory of interest, for there are many countries similarly struggling. Heck, there even might be messages for the poor pockets in the rich countries if we ponder hard enough. Four, with an ingrained disposition to counter tendencies against racism I don't envision a future where the West will always remain the rich island in the ocean of poverty that is the Global South. The Global South's path to wealth does not, can not, will not have to be imitations of where the West has already been, but new headways as intellectually stimulating as any. Someday perhaps many parts of the South will hopefully have overtaken the West. Why not? My limited academic training in the intricacies of economic theory might hinder me in getting specific with the details, but my broad suggestions ought to appeal. More important, I am willing to give it a try and put forth my views for a broad, ongoing discussion. And my political background and instincts should compensate for and otherwise guide what I have to say. That probably puts me at a distinct advantage, for no matter what we might cook up in sharp company, ultimately those ideas have to be taken to the broad public, and implemented with their participation. For Nepal, I see a three-pronged strategy:
I am aware my proposals are vague. But they give a specific enough framework so we can hold discussions. I look forward to them. I hope those with more specialized knowledge than mine will fill the gaps, and come up with specifics. |
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| paramendra | Posted
on 08-Oct-02 12:28 PM
Rapid Economic Growth For Nepal: What Would It Take Discussion. |
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| dry | Posted
on 08-Oct-02 02:55 PM
Paramendra, Why do u have to post the same thing again and again?? I read this in another thread and now I see posted here too??? |