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| ashu | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 03:46 AM
Dear all, Martin Chautari is organizing a discussion on Srisha Karki's Suicidal Episode this Tuesday. 22 Oct 2002/ 5 kartik 2059 Topic: Social Limit and Srisha's Suicidal Episode Pundits: Ashok Sharma (actor and director) and Krishna Malla (actor) Time : 5 pm Venue: Martin Chautari Premises Come one, come all. |
| well-wisher | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 04:11 AM
where is this martin chautari? is there a regular schedule that you guys meet? |
| nepalki_chori | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 06:20 AM
why this is going to be a big issue??? gazab cha baaa........jasle nango tasbir khichayo usko photo ta chapihalcha ni..............tesari nakhichako bhaye kosko bau ko ke tagat testo garna??? nepali keti haru ...afno chala mala thik parnu chaina ani yeso bho ra uso bho re.............aba tyo shrisha le ke karan le suicide gari tyo kaslai ke thata...... aba kina politics yesma? |
| ashu | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 07:57 AM
Well-wisher, On a regular basis, Chautari runs two discussions every week. On Tuesdays (for general-interest topics) On Thursdays (for media-related topics) If you wihs to be on the Chautari mailing list, please send a request to Bhaskar Gautam at: chautari@mos.com.np You can learn more about Chautari here: http://www.sarai.net/journal/pdf/010-015%20(martin).pdf oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| ashu | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 08:49 AM
Dear Nepalki Chori, They say that God resides in the details of everyday life. Finding God in the details of everyday life is difficult, but not impossible, as all major religions show us. Likewise, one can say that Nepal's democracy too resides in the details of every Nepali's right to NOT have his/her individual rights violated in any way. Sure, working slowly but surely toward making everyone else respect everyone else's individual human rights is difficult, but NOT impossible -- if we give a damn, either collectively or individually. No Nepali woman -- no matter how decent or khattam according to your moral calculus -- DESERVES to have her nude/exploitative and used-for-blackmail photo published in a newspaper, that too WITHOUT her permission. If we do NOT raise a tamasha over this episode now, then, tomorrow, we'll have no choice but to remain silent when your or your mother's similar or worse nude/exploitative and used-for-blackmail photo appears in some newspaper, again, without your permission. oohi "firmly convinced that caring for democracy lies NOT in big, big political guff-suff and solutions but on small, small acts of defense of an individual's right to live and die in dignity in Nepal" ashu ktm,nepal |
| ashu | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 09:14 AM
One more thing: For Nepalis living abroad, talking about Lokendra Bahadur Chand may be the coolest thing since throwing money at children's scholarship programs . . . (NOT that, again, there is anything wrong with either activity). But for people living and working in Nepal, there is NO short-cut to having the kind of democracy we desire if we do not have the stamina to fight with the UGLY present today -- even if it means doing small, small acts of service -- for sunnier days that are bound to come in months and years ahead. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Deep | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 09:46 AM
**** Police arrest Khadka in connection with 'Shrisha Karki" case The police Sunday arrested actress and producer Sunita Khadka in connection with the suicide of film actress Shrisha Karki. Khadka, actress of the movie 'Behuli' told the police that editor of 'Jana Aastha' Weekly, Kishor Shrestha had been exploiting Karki physically, mentally and economically before she committed suicide last week. The police had been looking for Khadka in connection with the suicide of Karki to carry out further investigation into the case. Khadka after knowing that the police were looking for her went to the Nepal Cine Artistes Association and told them everything after which she surrendered to the police. Khadka told the police that editor Shrestha was blackmailing her and Karki for a long time. The police is said to have acquired important information about people who compelled Karki to commit suicide. Karki committed suicide after a news story with her naked photo was published in the 'Jana Aastha' Weekly. Meanwhile seven different associations related with the Nepali movie industry have decided after a meeting held Sunday that they will gather at the Royal Nepal Academy at 11:00 am Sunday and will march to the District Police office. On reaching the district police office, the seven associations will demand legal action against editor Kishor Shrestha and reporters Biswomani Subedi and Yadav Prasad Pandey for being responsible for Karki's suicide. They will also register murder charges against the three. The cine artistes are also planning to seek the audience of King Gyanendra on Friday to inform him about the injustice meted out to Karki. nepalnews.com am Oct 21 *** If we believe Ms. Khadka, Mr. Kishore Shrestha does not look clean. "...Kishor Shrestha had been exploiting Karki physically, mentally and economically before she committed suicide last week...."..."..editor Shrestha was blackmailing her and Karki for a long time..." . I did not get Nepali chhori's question quite right "...aba kina politics yesma? ..." What is politics? |
| Dilasha | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 10:28 AM
This is a very applaudable work that people in Nepal are doing in support of Ms. Karki's family and friends. I hope this time people do show up for such a good cause. I was surprised that people from the film industry and women activists and the so called intellectuals did not show up. Ashutosh, you wrote :"they are silent now because the alleged perpetrator is one of their own comrades? If so, what does that tell about their commitment to strengthen the civil society in Nepal?" Isn't this is a very pathetic attitude? It tells us that the strength of civil society in nepal is based on hypocricy, lies and bad attitudes. Did anyone from the publication side show up? if so what did they have to say? I would like to know their side of the story and the truth behind this whole episode. It is a total violation of privacy to conduct such a hideous act on the part of journalists. By trying to degrade someone, the people of Jana Astha have degraded themselves to the lowest level. It is an utter shame and they have to pay a heavy price. It is not only the fault of the editor and the journalist who wrote it but the entire company the owners of the newspaper should be liable for the damages. What a shame! what a pity!!! and by publishing the article on Ms Karki what kind of "Aastha" did Jana Aastha want to give the public? That people in the film industy are the worst creatures in Nepal? that one shouldn't encourage his/her daughters to be in this filthy (according to them) occupation? that only whores become actresses and vice versa? that it is the only newspaper that uncovers the truth so everyone should buy it? My god!! this is so outrageous!! Just 35 days in jail and Rs 10000 fine?? I think it IS time to amend some laws here. If Jana Aastha and the person who wrote the article are found to be guilty here's what I think should be the punishment. 1. 30-40 lakhs in punitive damages should be paid by the publication co. 2. At least five years in jail for the perpetrators. 3. The paper should be banned from publication. 4. If that's not possible then people should boycott the paper. Plus whoever own the pub. should write a long letter of apology to the family of Ms. Karki, the whole nepali film industry and to the public as well. I hope this incident teaches all the journalists of nepal a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggg!! lesson. so that they will prevent themselves from being victims while trying to make others the victims. |
| Bhukampo | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 10:29 AM
Well, this has been quite an issue these days, "Srisha Karki's death." I do hope that her soul rests in peace, and that her family will recover from this tragic event. But I also do have some questions/concerns about the whole issue that has been bothering me. Well, from my point of view, why would anyone be accountable for someone's suicide. I would understand if the editor had been charged for publishing nude picture of the actress without her permission. But why about the death? When someone commits suicide, that is due to her/his own failure to compromise with life. I think that life is way more precious than the allegations one would get from having a nude picture published for the public. If someone decides to end his/her own life then why should someone else be accused for it? This is something I don't understand. The editor being charged for publishing the picture without the permission of the actress is understandable. There are many actors, and actress in Hollywood whose pictures, nude/transformed get published in tabloids without thier permission. They don't commit suicide. Instead they file charges against those tabloids. Suicide is not right, and it is even a sin in our own hindu religion. |
| dangggg | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 10:47 AM
hummmmmmmmm........ The only karki I know of is Roshan Karki and h't commited suicide, not yet. peace, dangggg |
| paramendra | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 06:17 PM
BBC --- Row over Nepal film actress' death  
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| paramendra | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 06:17 PM
http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/karki.jpg http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/karki2.jpg |
| kunjan | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 09:43 PM
Location of nude photo shoot identified KOL Report KATHMANDU, Oct 22 - Police investigating the Shreesha suicide scandal Monday said that they have identified the house at Bisal Nagar as the house belonging to one of the relatives of Uddhab Bhandari, a former assistant sub-inspector (ASI). The ASI has been alleged to have taken the photograph of the late actress in that house in alliance with actress Sunita Khadka, who surrendered to police Sunday. Police have achieved this success following tips from Khadka. The ASI, who is accused of supplying the nude photograph of the deceased upcoming heroine to the editor of Jana Astha weekly, has been living in London since last year after resigning from the police service. Police sources also said that if the involvement of Bhandari proved true in the case he would be retrieved from London. "Nobody will be spared in connection with this case," the source said. But the source declined to clarify how he will be retrieved. The police at the Hanumandhoka police office said that they are trying their best to arrest the editor. "We have mobilised police in every possible place to arrest him, but he has gone underground," said Tapendra Dhoj Hamal, superintendent of police at Hanumandhoka. (yo) |
| yatra | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 09:57 PM
Asu, I am new to this site but whenever i come across any of your reactions, i realise you are vehemently against this "another scholarship program" to Nepal. I havenot read most of your thoughts on that earlier so i probably havenot grasped the essence of your opion but could you elaborate. Sorry to all for asking an unrelated question in the thread of Srisa Karki. I am glad that Nepali society has finally learnt to protest against something unjustified in this case. |
| Nepali Kanchi | Posted
on 21-Oct-02 10:54 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Obviously if she comitted suicide then the editor will not be charged with first hand murder, but I am sure that there are other degrees or murder in Nepali law? Second hand / third hand murder? Legally this man doesnt face much as of yet, and personally I do not have enough information to go by to judge the case fully. however, I can say for sure, that this so called jounalist has no morals or respect as a person. one scenario may be that she posed for those pictures with her own consent, the editor then got his slimy hands on those pictures, and without her consent, went on to publish them. That is totally wrong and he has much to pay for that! If he comitted extortion, emotionally or in other manners, then that makes this case even worse. And by any chance if he actually forced her to pose in those pictures, then that is sexual, emotional, physical and all other evil abuse possible. Man should get life sentence for that! There is a possibility that the pictures were not even authentic, no one has the negatives, what is the damn police doing? Can you imagine if this was a case of digital alteration? One may think , if they werent real then why did she kill herself? For one, as a Nepali woman, I have to say that blackmail is pretty common in the nepali community, many weddings have been stopped due to rumours, altered pictures. Money has been extorted by many during the wedding time period of Nepali girls, and on a larger note, this occurs throughout entire South Asia, maybe even elsewhere. there may by truth in these day to day black mails , there maybe partial truth, or even no truth, but to save face, many become victims of these extortions! Shrisha may have been a victim of a hoax, and eventually killed herself to save face. her death does not prove the validity of Shrestha's article that ended her life. Even if Karki was a prostitute, I highly doubt she happily entered that profession. Nepali Chori, your justification of 'kina nango photo khichako , after that kina regret gareko?", is a pretty skewed point of view. You can say that about the poeple who catch HIV in Nepal, kina sex gareko, kina sex worker baneko, kina chori becheko? I mean come on, think for a second. This is not a by choice profession, maybe for some it is, but you cannot call a person "laaz nabhaeko" b/c he/ she is a sex worker. This man has comitted a terrible immoral, indescent and inhumane act and he needs to be brought to justice! If ghosts are for real, I hope Karki will "tarsao" this &*()*%$$$ forever! |
| Nixon | Posted
on 22-Oct-02 01:16 AM
Answer to this question: Even if Karki was a prostitute, I highly doubt she happily entered that profession. Nepali Chori, your justification of 'kina nango photo khichako , after that kina regret gareko?", is a pretty skewed point of view. as follows: Uddhab bhandari, the sub-inspector and Bamdev Gautam ko karya karta, along with Ms. Khadka were hiring girls in their movies and then, they took it to some secret places. Snapped large number of nude / naked photographs. Then, they took those photographs to different hotels and minsiters like Bal Bahadru KC as a part of sex trade by black mailing the girls. It is said that they have a secret undeground gangsters in this whole business. Srisha Karki is not single one, but, she is first one to die. Srisha was supposed to marry very soon, but, the gangs including Jana Astha leader (other side of coin) did not like her attempt to leave the sex trade, thus, she was initially threatened. Once she could not pay her loan "inside factors and scenarios behind her success as an actress", she was penalized by publishing the photograph via Jana Astha. It was an attempt to stop others in row dream of getting rid of the underworld run by Bal Bahadru KC, Bamdev Gautam, Ms. Khadka, many more in hotel industries. Srisha had to give pose for nude photograph as part of spiraling down herself in the "red light zone in KTM" underground world of Nepal, just the way a girl is sold in Bombay by some of her friend or relatives and she is continued to be sold from one brothel to antoher, and her loan goes on increasing, she can never pay the dues. She has to either sucide or escape. Well, Ms. Karki was in Nepal, she had no other place to hide or run away, so she had to die committing suicide. Well, the film industry in Nepal looks very scary. Srisha Karki amar rahu. Your name will be remembered in Nepali film industry for forever. Lets hope her death will bring new changes there. |
| Nixon | Posted
on 22-Oct-02 01:30 AM
You should know that Jana Astha was initially Male yane Bamdev ko Party supporter. When male merged into Amale, Jana Astha moved to Amale camp. Red Light bizness continued under the patronage of Bam Dev, Bal Bahadru KC and some other political leaders in Kangress and Communist parties. The indian tourists (the biz. class peoples) in star hotels in Kathmandu like Nepali girls because of their fair skin colors, it was reported by Annapurna Hotel Manager sometime back. He said that almost 50% of his male customers come for sex, and that was the reason he was against police nabbing the girls in prostitution bizness in Kathmandu. |
| kalankisthan | Posted
on 22-Oct-02 05:16 AM
Whatever ASHUjyu says, I am with him. You seem to be a man with good intensions. Rest of the people in Sajha, Khaali guff matrai. Jaaaaiiiiivvvvveeee Taaaalllllkkkkkiiinnnn!!! Jaawos, jaawos brother, ajhai jaawosh. Kalanki maai ko kasam, I am with you. Yesso mauka mile, kalanki ghumna aaunu bhayo bhane ek plate momo ON ME. Sauni ko chori ko ni darshan garaidiula. (Can you say "hi" to TRAI bro, LOL!! I didn't know he is in Nepal) Jai raam ji ki. |
| Nepalki_chori | Posted
on 22-Oct-02 10:08 AM
hatterika.............pheri pani long long postings.............couldn't read some here. anyway..........regarding karki's suicide, definitely all nepalese girls learnt a lesson, at least not to pose nudely !!!! thats great achievement. Its totally not necessary to pose nudely in public (in presence of sub inspector, Sunita Khadka and others.....and of course a cameraman). Can an ordinary nepali girl pose nudely like that? Karki should suicide at the time she was forced or blackmailed for posing nude. It proved Karki can't be a real nepalese girl.....of course she was not an exception like others who are exploiting Nepali film industry. Character counts a lot, if not why Bill Clinton was charged so badly??? La hai sabai le sochne bela bho aba ...:P |
| SITARA | Posted
on 22-Oct-02 08:22 PM
Ashu ji... I agree with you, and commend you on your dedication to this issue. Will post later. :) Dilasha very valid points you have made! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 22-Oct-02 08:29 PM
Nepali ki chori; What can I say..... except, where there is arrogance and judgments on the unfortunates there will be retribution too. A universal law hajur: What you give out (in energy) will comeback tenfolds!!!! The earth can't handle arrogance (sekhi). The balance is maintained by the stripping off of such an arrogance... La hai chori.... Nepal amako maya garera matra pugdaina..... you have to love her children too!!!! |
| Nixon | Posted
on 22-Oct-02 08:34 PM
answer to this question: Can an ordinary nepali girl pose nudely like that? Yes. "CAN" is not enough. Can be forced to pose naked, nude even have to offer live sex of all kinds, when you are provided with extreme conditions: 1. When you see your family members in danger zone. You give you your pride and ijjat to save them. It is called Hijacking or blackmailing, whatever word you assign. 2. When you want to survive, but, there is a very big gate or net to reach you other side to perform what you want. So, sacrifice something or die doing nothing. When such gates are under the control of gangsters or mafia or underworld or corrupt peoples, you will be trapped and slowly poisoned, made addicted. Finally, you have to become a part of it. If you wish to escape, either die or will be killed. Rule of underworld. 3. When you are in extreme drought, then, you want to survive doing anything available to you. In Kosovo, the womens and girls were raped, they had give birth to bastards. What can you do ? Well, if you were in US, then, you can go for abortion when someone rapes and you get pregnant, but, in places like Kosovo? The womans are not only giving birth to bastards but raising them? Until 1925, in Beverly hills area in LA, the house in rent had "TO-LET with condition: celebrity and dogs are not allowed". Later part of the 1920s decade, USA suffered from economic problems and the houses were left vacant. Then, the owners in Beverly Hills erased the condition by everyone is OK, even dogs. Today, beverly hills is the most expensive town in the world. What I want to say here is, its time that will allow your destination. In 1920, US girls used to were full length gowns, now, the singers even masterbate in stage in live show. In Nepal and around the world, the lenght of skirt is getting shorter and shorter, Lets not hope, our grandkids walking in new road in two pieces. It will not be surprising to we to find a section of nude album of actress in a newspaper stand within next 20years or so. If we can get KAMASUTRA, we will get a nude album in those newsstand, where Srisha Karki's suicide news was also posted. 4. Some girls do pose nude or naked in public like Madonna did, because they know world want her nude picture, world is dying for her. and she can openly tell to them, hey I am offering what you want. Open challenge and when its open, then, again public complains. As said above, lets hope who will be 2nd girl whose photograph appears nude in Nepali news papers, but,this time I guess it should be volunteerly and she will challenge the authorities openly and our human rightists will claim that it is her right to pose if she like and if its not by force, should be open. If abortion can be legal, why a nude album can not be open. I suggest girls to challenge the males, hey, you want you get it. Sale ho lou khawo. Hera kati herna man lagcha mero nango photo, chana chat pat poko parera chatpat ko rahel chatda tyo mero photo pani chat. I want to see such brave girls. These bastards like Bal Bahadur KC, Kishore Shretha, Bamdev Gautam, Uddav Bhandari will vanish. We human were borned naked, its rule we made, we can break it. Natures rule is to be free, and let us walk naked and nude, but, government should provide us security, and if they can not provide it, they should leave their job and let someone come. I am naked does not mean, I deserve rape. Srisha Kaski did pose naked, but, it was forced, and I had no problem if she posed it voluntarily, and if she had posed voluntarily, I am sure she was brave enough to face the consequences and she would have defended it openly, inviting more girls to pose nude and nake to create a new hot section in newsstands. Lets hope the KAMASUTRA book that is lonely till now, will find friends very soon. |
| Nepalki_chori | Posted
on 23-Oct-02 02:25 AM
Nixon ji keep postint long........anyway I read this time.......lol. ke testo jabo euta Karki ko pachi lagya sabai? I thought this is an intellectual forum......but not the exception where nepalis gather and gossips.......(kunai kura pauna parcha politics garnai parne), kukkur ko puchhar barsa barsa dhungro muni hale pani jasta ko tastai. Its time to change. There are hundreds of murders going, hundreds of rapes going, hundreds dying without foods and medicines.....why these topics are not the issues here? Karki seems an educated girl, she better knew whats good and whats not. She willingly involved in prostitution. Prostitution is everywhere in the world, and even in some countries its legal. But their ways are different and belong to different society. prostitute pani banna parne ani samaj ma uchha ijjat pani chahine? what a double standard. She could have lived up as a prostitute, who cares? (as we can find too many nepalese girls as prostitues), this issue should not be highlighted......yesari prostitute ko ijjat hune ho bhane bichara sojha sidha nepali ketiko ko bare ma kasle sochidine? Lets not forget there are still hundreds of people with dignity and sound characters. |
| Nixon | Posted
on 23-Oct-02 04:16 AM
Answer to this part: There are hundreds of murders going, hundreds of rapes going, hundreds dying without foods and medicines.....why these topics are not the issues here? Karki seems an educated girl, she better knew whats good and whats not. She willingly involved in prostitution. Prostitution is everywhere in the world, and even in some countries its legal. But their ways are different and belong to different society. can be summarized here: Yes there are murder, rape kiling, corruption. This is the part of our daily life. Well, our true destination is never known. But, we are always moving to better world, easy life, open society, freedom loving, respect to others. We are not going to make Prithvi as Swarga, but, this is better than ever before, and we starve to get much better facilities, safety and security with personal freedoms and choice to live a life. In this process of achieving earth as close to Swarga as possible (at least closer than ever before), we have to minus the bad happenings. As long as your issue on prostitution is there, prostitution is one of the oldest bizness in human society, and it exists not only in human society, but, in animal gorilla to chimpanzie world and to some class of birds too. A young male chimpanzie offers banana or sugar cane to young female chimpanzie and have sex and as early as it finishes the sex game, it snatches away the remains of sugarcane or banana. Well, its game of survival. In modern world, we want to avoid balckmailing, hijacking and we are just asking them to be more transparent "well, not asking to have sex in tudikhel" but, they should not get punishment more than the crime she does. Crime and punishment should fit. Blackmailing or hijacking her right to live a life, was a punishment that was more than she deserved. Some one is working to patch the loop holes in this area, and similarly there are others who are working in other problems. When you integrate them, and you should be surprised the we are working in all areas. We can not spare any area and go ahead, leaving that are behind, and if we do that is not loophole, but, that is tunnel left for bad guys. As you must have noticed that our law does not recognize the death by harassement as murder, and this case can rectify the problems where you could be another victim. Never think that it will not happen to you, we never know tomorrow. The days of pure world have gone, and now is the world of mix-up, any thing is possible. |
| Nepalki_chori | Posted
on 23-Oct-02 05:57 AM
Nixon ji...................got stick on me;).....hehehe. On the one hand you are provoking prostitution and on ther other, you want a better world to live in, want it to be close as Sworga......again a double standard!!!! Why can't you simply emphasize to built up healthy world by building good and moral characters?(which can't be possible with this prostitution thing). Your little brain might not be working while you compared superior human beings with animals. (or that time you turned to an animal like some whampires do.........hehehe, just kidding). You need to learn more biology of human. Yes, I agree prostitution was there since human civilization.........doesn't mean that it should be a part of everyone. Prostitues can live their way if they think thats their right. But everywhere in world, they are judged differently. So there must be a distinct demarcation line between civilized and non-civilized people, otherwise if these prostitutes are in priority and hlighlighted, this world will soon be full of them, worst place to live in and of course.... that time definitely I can't be an exception. And jada jadai one question Nixon ji ....:D no hard feelings hai ta..........(Hope you will answer honestly......and of course in brief..:P ma ta choto mitho man paraune Nepalki chori:) Can you imagine your own family member (didi bahini) posing nudly in public? Are you ready to be there? Always, Nepalki chori |
| Bishwas Rana | Posted
on 23-Oct-02 09:04 AM
What happened was very bad. One could give nude picture.. and in varying conditions. but what seems not good is journalism with possible blackmailing in the background. |
| Nirvana | Posted
on 23-Oct-02 12:22 PM
Nepalki_chori writes " ke testo jabo euta Karki ko pachi lagya sabai? I thought this is an intellectual forum......but not the exception where nepalis gather and gossips.......(kunai kura pauna parcha politics garnai parne), kukkur ko puchhar barsa barsa dhungro muni hale pani jasta ko tastai..." Dear Intellect Nepalki_chori, After reading your comments, following quote which I find perfect for you: "Everyone is entitled to be arrogant and stupid, but some abuse the privilege." |