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| NK |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 11:18 AM
Terror in DC area
Do you know what I think about these attacks? I think it is yet another campaign from terrorist groups. I am thinking of World Trade Center attack. That attack was in your face. Massive. Lots of people in one place. Live broadcast. I think terrorists have changed their strategies. The goal is the same: spread terror either by killing a few or killing a lot. And, nobody can deny that they are not successful doing just so.
10 peple dead and 3 wounded in the span of three weeks. I know people have other greater risks of dying. For example: road accidents, cancer, heart disease, indoor pollution, Myeloma (yes from Natural light from the Sun) but these things we *know*. What we know does not make us afraid. Now take this sniper ( I call it terrorist) attack. We don't know who he is, where he comes from, what he/she/they look like, who is next and when? It is random with a precision of a Swiss watch. You and I could be next in this game of roulette except we did n ot choose to play this game.
We can make some sort of profile of other pschycopaths. They either chose women or women of certain age or profession or they choose boys, they like to see their victims beg for mercy – in other words close contact with their victims. True, there was this zodiac killer in New York area who shot his victim but after 2 or 3 he was caught. But look at this killer/s. He moves around MD area as if he knows this area as back of his hand, has apparently all the time in the world and where are his friends or relatives? The demand for money is just a decoy. How much money and for what? And that tarot card which supposedly was left saying, “… I am God.” I think he is successful in bringing police to dead end and buying more time in the process. Now the demand of money and do not forget the muffled phone message. That message was only garble! And the phone number! That made police scrambling for all the pay phones and, another day is lost.
I know we had to wait for 9 years (I am not sure but I think) before the unibomber was caught and that too because his brother came forward. I also think it is the act of a terrorist rather than some disgruntled person because we live in a different time. It somehow makes sense to me that he is a terrorist. People are focusing on NEXT BIG ATTACK. They are thinking museums, trains, and of course the big trucks. Well, my friends THIS IS THE “big attack.” I was listening to news and the level of anxiety and fear is much more than right after WTC attack. I myself was not afraid after the WTC attack but now it does strike fear in my heart. Our town could be next.
With all the stupid and vile NRA’s influence on political parties we have the most sophisticated guns and of course target practice arena all over the country. Just as the terrorists took advantage of Flying schools (Flying schools are more legit and morally not revolting) were successful killing 3000 plus, the terrorists took advantage of gun culture of the US and turned that gun to us.
[This is of course what I was thinking today in the morning. I am not saying THIS IS WHAT IS. But perhaps. You know, just my theory.]
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| ??! |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 11:39 AM
Very logical.... different target, same objective.... Terrorize people, paralyze the movement.... and destroy the economy...
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| ??! |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 11:40 AM
Very logical. Different approach for same objective by terrorists.....
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| NK |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 12:20 PM
Thanks ??!.
I mean if the extortion of money was the true motive then why did they wait for so long to ask for it? What after 9 victims? Do ransom seekers actually do that? I have never heard of it. And if they indeed wanted to leave clues then why only one clue so far. The Tarot card. I think these thing are only a decoy to throw cops off the track. My bet still is on terrorists.
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 01:27 PM
NK, good arguments.
But, I will go with the native of this country. He (hard to believe it is she) is another Jefferey Dahmer, or Jim McVey or Unabomber. And most probably he is white supermacist (could be any whites, hispanics included). So far in history of Serial killers you have yet to see any blacks who have killed that many. (Dont' start any racism discussion - iprofiling is important for investigation here...)
I am not saying that this could not be an anomaly.
And it could very well be terrorists too. But....
This guy us super interlligent and patient. Uses white van and the timinng of dawn when it is very hard to pin point the white car. Also he chooses escape routes, timing of the day and the position where there is least chance of being spotted. But, the victim is random (it does not matter who comes in his path of the bullet) because that is one variable he needs so that he is not confined and which makes difficult for the law enforcement to narrow down the profile.
He has to have tremendous knowledge of the area, he knows inside out of how Police investigations in US works, he knows public sentiments (and how vigilant they can be).
He could very well be terrorists sympathiser, but it is hard to believe that he has any direct link to terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda.
Those terrorists have traditionally have the modes operandi of 'Hit And Run'. They don't have shown any patience of terrorizing one area for a month.
But, if you remember this country produces peak and valley. It not only produces Bill Gates but also produces Jeffrey Dahmer.
So, my 'LOGIC" says it is a Native of this country who knows pretty well how the country works.
Also to add he could be very well that French Army desserter they are talking about who is loose in North America. He has to be a target shooter, though general public also do the target shooting (as you noticed also), but general public won't be able to hit that many humans, so , most likely he is an Police or Army (Ex or Current).
So in summary, my Logical Sense says:
"A White male in his early 30s, who was in Military for so many years (participated in Gulf war), and then started working in a Virginia Dot Com company, got laid off because a H1-B visa holder replaced him, works as a Security Guard (4PM to 12 AM) in a Bank. Hates Government and Sympathises with the terrorists, he is introvert and was always bullied in highschool, was raised by his Grand Mother from Virginia" :-)
- Lau Ja!
-iti
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 01:35 PM
Could be terrorist(s), but I don't think it's Al Quaeda. No Muslim fundamentalist would dare to risk his entry into heavenly harem with 72 virgins by saying, "I am God," even when they are doing what they perceive to be God's work of killing infidels.
I hope good Americans will realize from this horror that draconian gun control law is imperative. None of that NRA bullshit about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" should fly. Last Sunday morning, I was watching the VP of NRA making a jackass of himself in Meet the Press, gawd, he was so pathetic.
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 01:36 PM
Sorry Age Ma Gad Bad Bhayecha!
He has to be between 38-44. Younger than this age and older than this age would have committed at least one stupidity in last 13 episodes.
38-44 dangerous age Hai - Yehi bela ta ho ni 'Middle Age Crisis' hune pani.
- itit
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 01:42 PM
Agree with Logical sense...
Plus, normally terrorist groups would have published a statement after the incidents had they been involved in it. But then again, could be an anomaly.
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 01:44 PM
... or it could be a small skinny 40 year old woman on a bicycle, the tubular frames of which she uses as barrel of the gun, while cops are looking for couple of big men with shaved head in a white van with a ladder on top toting a high-powered sniper rifle....
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| Jame Bonds |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 01:58 PM
There's a killer on the road
His brain is squirmin' like a toad
Take a long holiday
Let your children play
If ya give this man a ride
Sweet memory will die
Killer on the road, yeah
He might be a fan of The Doors
Artist Doors, The
Album L.A. Woman
Song Riders On The Storm
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Into this house we're born
Into this world we're thrown
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out alone
Riders on the storm
There's a killer on the road
His brain is squirmin' like a toad
Take a long holiday
Let your children play
If ya give this man a ride
Sweet memory will die
Killer on the road, yeah
Girl ya gotta love your man
Girl ya gotta love your man
Take him by the hand
Make him understand
The world on you depends
Our life will never end
Gotta love your man, yeah
Wow!
Riders on the storm
iders on the storm
Into this house we're born
Into this world we're thrown
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out alone
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
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| NK |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 02:17 PM
Are all Nepali comedians? WaTch out Jay Leno/Chris Rock! :)
Poonte Ji do all terrorists really leave a note? We don't live in the era of Black September my fren. Do all those suicide bombers in Israel leave a note ? Agreed, they don't need to since everybody has pretty good idea who they are therefore, they don't need to. Did terrorists who bombed American Embassy in Africa leave a note? How about the Cole (sp. not sure) bombing? And Bali? And WTC? Maybe they sent you a secret note :)) that I am not aware of.
We live in the time of Al Queda. Stealth and deadly and maximum fear.
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 03:34 PM
Jame Bonds, Kavita pani?
NK, of course, you are the one who taught us to say 'difficult things in easy and humourous way' my dear :-)
Propaganda! Terrorists thrive on terrorizing and getting the credit for terrorizing. Al Qaeda is yet to get the credit for this terror in DC. They have got the free publicity but not taken the crdit yet!
And it is already late for claiming the credit, terrorists don't typically wait this long to take the credit.
As I said before, 'Hit, Run and Take the Credit'. It happened in most of the cases you have mentioned before. Each Suicide bombing has been followed by responsibility taken by some terrorists organization. Each SA Embassey/Cole bombing also, not directly but either through other media.
Again, this is all hypothetical, what if they just changed all the tactics in this bombing only? Hard to believe because as we understand Al Quaida also had protocols, training, and hierarchy like any other organization and suddenly changing your work habits that also when it is disintegrated is hard to believe.
- iti
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 03:37 PM
Make it "in this shooting" instead of 'in this bombing'.
Too many bombings and shooting, kind of get mixed up!!!!!!!
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| Puru Subedi |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 05:02 PM
Going by the recent notice of the shooter, it sounds like he/she is from a terrorists group..
Here is the message as published on CNN today:
SILVER SPRING, Maryland (CNN) -- A post-script to a message believed left by the sniper after Saturday's shooting warned: "Your children are not safe anywhere, at any time," the lead investigator of the case said Tuesday.
One official said that the letter found behind the Ponderosa restaurant contained several demands and a timeline for officials to act. If officials failed to act, the source said, the letter threatened other attacks.
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"Your" may mean "United States". On the other hand, even though officials know shooter's demands, they are not relating it to any foreign terrorist group yet..
-PS
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| bhedo |
Posted
on 22-Oct-02 05:06 PM
And NRA most probably would say, "Hey, don't blame the NRA for everything. It's not guns that kill people; it's people who kill people." I too believe that guns should be banned, but 2nd amendment (I think it's 2nd) gives the public the right to bear arms.
Now the guy supposedly has left a message that reads something like, "Your children aren't safe. Beware!". This guy can't be an international terrorist for the simple reason that Jihadists are fanatics; they are doing stuff for God. It would be blasphemy for a Quran-thumper to say he is God. He is a terrorist of course, but a local terrorist. He, in my humble opinion, is in no way affiliated to terrorist organizations.Now, this guy COULD be demented. He claims he is God, which could probably mean that he thinks he is cleansing earth off of evil-doers. Insane people think sane people are wrong, you see( and vice versa).
The Zodiac killer was never caught. I think he terrorised the San Fransisco Bay Area in California. You are actually talking about David "The son of Sam" Berkowitz, who was caught only after a year, and that too because of a PARKING VIOLATION.
My profile of the serial killer:
1. Smart but dillusional
2. Most probably White (although it doesn't matter since he is a random shooter and doesn't care about the ethnicity of the victime)
3. 25- 35 y/o
4. Used to work for Michaels till he got fired.
5. DOES NOT use white vans. If he did, he should have been caught by now. You guys have no idea how often white vans are pulled over by cops these days.
6. Thinks he is doing the RIGHT thing.
7. Shoots near Michaels stores.
8. Had some military training, but in no way a good shot, since he attacks stationary targets.
The guy is one step ahead of the cops BECAUSE of the media. They blurt out everything and anything. They need to learn to keep secrets. Seriously.
I work in Rockville, and I have been too stressed out for almost 3 weeks because of the random shootings going on. I hope they catch him soon.
No form of capital punishment allwed in the US would be enough to punish this guy. If I were the judge, I would send him to Saudi Arabia. Now they know how to really punish offenders.
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| NK |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 09:28 AM
>NK, of course, you are the one who taught us to say 'difficult things in easy and humourous way' my dear :-) <
Logical Sense, what a compliment! Thank you. Did I really? Wow! Pinch me! No no not that hard. :))
No, I do not have anything new to add today. Different day different concerns. It is snowing today. I should be careful not to break my hip. They say that is another killer factor in your 'budeskaal'.
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| KaLaNkIsThAn |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 09:36 AM
Yeah, you guys there in DC area and vicinities, TAKE CARE.
You guys better walk like an Egyptian.
hehe.... (not supposed to be funny, or sarcastic either... I am not in mood today)
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| DWI |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 09:53 AM
I also think it is a work of some native american (slang: whites).
But I am largely appaled by the insufficiency of the law enforcement. The killer supposedly left a phone message and now the Cops are asking him/her to call back. Why don't they just say, "can you please turn yourself over to us..we are very incompetent. Only thing we can do is spot a wrongly parked car or a car going 4 mph over limit. The FBI, the military aeroplane used arially over the affected area are just to scare you sir, so please come to our station to have a chat."
I don't hate cops, I do respect them. But I would expect more from them.
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| Poonte |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 09:56 AM
hmmmm...NK, yes Al Qaeda has been different--at least in WTC and Bali cases. I am not too sure about other examples that you've mentioned, so I reserve my comment here. However, on the Israeli front, ALL the suicide bombings there have always been claimed by one group or the other.
I still have reservations in labeling the sniper case an act of a terrorist act, i.e., a foreign terrorist. (For anyone who terrorizes a community, like this spniper has, be it foreign or domestic, is a terrorist afterall!) The deep knowledge that this terrotist has, not only of the local geography, but also of the inner workings of the police and the FBI (I don't think anyone could have been able to ellude the authorities like s/he has without this knowledge) tells me it cannot be an imported terrorism.
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| dirk |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 10:35 AM
Whoever he, she or they is or are the sniper(s).....it seems that the person(s) has an excellent knowledge of metro-DC area and beyond. It is also quite reasonable to assume that the person(s) has had superior fire-arms training possibly in the military. I think that suspicion that the person(s) is of Hispanic or Middle-Eastern origin is heresay, as till now nobody has been able to provide the law enforcement any definite proof regarding the ethnicity of the assailant. It's all conjecture. Otherwise, the cops and FBI would have at least come up with a preliminary sketch.
It's quite appalling to see that this individual(s) has been able to elude the authorities for so long when there are over 2,000 law enforcement personnel involved in trying to nab him or her.
I hope all this mayhem would come to an end ASAP for it's disrupting life and one's sense of security for so many.
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 03:14 PM
I am with you DWI here. DC (and surrounding area) police department have shown their incompetency time and again. Remember the Chandra L. case? They have all the facility they need and still can't not find ONE sniper. That also after 13 shootings?
Guess if there were 20 snipers in loose? There are only 254 Million guns in US in public hands.
NK Dear, you are welcome :-)
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| NK |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 04:00 PM
I am not saying they are foreign terrorists with dark skin and moustache and a long beard. Could be white, could be brown, home grown, foreign grown, or organically grown. They could be Al Queda sympathizer or Hammas. Maybe he is Zodiac Killer coming back to life! ( i learnt today he was never caught) and, yeah these are the times we really see how ineffective cops could be! Do you remember Columbine shooting? All those cops with the most sophisticated weapons crawling OUTSIDE of the school while those two murderers were shooting other kids? [yes yes they needed to be "cautious." But, I wonder if being cautious means saving your own ass]
i was flabergasted when police chief Moose was almost in tears after the school kid was shot. and he was saying, "now this is really personal...."!! did he think he was going to melt the snipers' heart by being soooo sensitive? he may have been a very sensitive guy but he just strikes me as a hostage situation negotiator... may be he ought to change his profession and BE ONE.
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| bhedo |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 04:31 PM
Well, Moose did the right thing by being emotional, you know. Americans tend to judge people pretty easily. Gotta be sensitive.
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| DWI |
Posted
on 23-Oct-02 07:16 PM
True, Logical. I was also thinking about Chandra Levy case and that Zodiac killer.
Dirk's analysis are logical. However, the sniper doesn't have to be well trained or even millitary. The bullets found, .223 caliber, were used in hunting rabbits and other animals and any farmers had a clear access to them. You can just join NRA association and practice shooting.
Him (or her?) knowing the DC metro area may be true. But you can also bring up the argument that there is no sophistication involved. The I-95 highway area is pretty simple and the victim activities can be studied by any bypasser.
I am guessing the work may be from a person, certainly native, nearby. Could be from Pennsylvania, West Virginia or Maryland. Since I-95 is extensively used in the shooting, I am guessing he might be coming from a nearby state.
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| KaLaNkIsThAn |
Posted
on 24-Oct-02 04:49 AM
......AND LOOKS LIKE THEY GOT 'EM.
Police has arrested 2 African American Men in the connection with the sniper case and I say to myself, "thanks they are not Nepali or anyone that resembles us".
Looks like you are NIRDHAKKA now, NK.
Later
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| NK |
Posted
on 24-Oct-02 02:45 PM
Yes, I am kinda of relieved as most of the people but I am waiting for a "verdict." Sometimes cops do all kinds of things to appease the hysterical public. Let's wait and see if they are indeed the one.
Do you know what else I have been thinking? Even if they do caught the perpetrators, we just have to be ready to get used to these kind of things. They have virtually eradicated small pox, malaria, TB, and cancer is almost curable and all that good stuff. Children's mortality rate is great (I am talkikng about the US), and nutrition is much much better ( well too much if you look at the waddling population here), people expect to live beyond 80.... BUT, the discontent (in population)is higher and so is the reach to arms and ammunition. Pockets of rebels/terrorists are almost everywhere who has little regard for human life. This is the malaria of moden times I guess. To die from bullet, sharpnels, bombs, fire bombs, air plane crash, train wreck... have I scared you enough?
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| Logical Sense |
Posted
on 24-Oct-02 03:12 PM
15 Leading Causes of Death in the U.S., 2000
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Causes of death Number Deaths per 100,000 population
All causes 2,404,624 873.6
1 Diseases of heart 709,894 257.9
2 Malignant neoplasms (cancer) 551,833 200.5
3 Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke) 166,028 60.3
4 Chronic lower respiratory diseases 123,550 44.9
5 Accidents (unintentional injuries) 93,592 34.0
Motor vehicle accidents 41,804 15.2
All other accidents 51,788 18.8
6 Diabetes mellitus 68,662 24.9
7 Pneumonia and influenza 67,024 24.3
8 Alzheimer's disease 49,044 17.8
9 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis 37,672 13.7
10 Septicemia 31,613 11.5
11 Suicide 28,332 10.3
12 Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 26,219 9.5
13 Hypertension and hypertensive renal disease17,964 6.5
14 Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids 16,659 6.1
15 Homicide 16,137 5.9
All other causes 400,401 145.5
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This means what my dear? More than 95.% of death occurs in your bed and 0.7 % death is from homiside. Of course it is high in itself, but, US is not even in top 10 violent country in the World.
So, stay vigilant, but be assured, and do your every day chore 'without fear'.
- iti
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| NK |
Posted
on 25-Oct-02 12:36 PM
Well, Logical Sense, in all those "more violent countries" there is a war going on. US *is* by far the most violent countries among industrialized nation without an ongoing war. This was true until very recently, maybe it changed now.
Anyway, they sniper did not fit the profile, did they? Neither had they any tie with terrorists. I am just glad they are not outside anymore.
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| kalankisthan |
Posted
on 25-Oct-02 12:47 PM
NK jyu, Glad its over for you. Haamlai ta kano goru lau aushi na poorne. Khaali kahile Mao le dyang dung garla bhanne matrai.
Hazur 3 weeks ko tension le thakya jasto cha. Kalanki paani tyanki ko mineral water pathai diu, anuhar dhuna?
You have a good one!!
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| NK |
Posted
on 25-Oct-02 01:14 PM
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| DWI |
Posted
on 25-Oct-02 06:17 PM
Well, I am happy to be wronged.Police Chief Dr. Moose (he has PHD) did what was supposed to be done. The steps were well taken although I don't know if all those dramatizations (not sobbing, that may be real), were infact necessary. A simple case of detective following the finger print is in action here, nothing complicated. But Americans have to congratulate DC Police for that.
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