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| Jayahos |
Posted
on 28-Oct-02 06:29 PM
World's one of the finest batsman said goodbye to International Cricket and the irony is he had to leave the field beacuse of him missing the sitters at slip. A string of failures both from BATS infront of stumps and from bare HANDS behind the stump eventaully led to the situaion of him being dropped from the Australian squad for coming TEST against England. And Mark Waugh,37, after playing a superb cricket for about a dozen of years will not be there again wearing the BAGGY GREEN. Cricket fans sure will miss him for some time. He debuted as a matured player and said 'enough' as a matured person.
MY HAT'S OFF TO HIS ACCOMPLISHMENT!!
Jaya Hos.
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| DWI |
Posted
on 28-Oct-02 06:47 PM
Good bye. Don't know nothing 'bout cricket, but Jayahos le bhanya bhayera, Good bye again.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 28-Oct-02 06:49 PM
DWI bro,
Its like Sammy Sosa retiring from baseball kya? now you know how jayahos feels?
eheh..
oys
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| DWI |
Posted
on 28-Oct-02 06:55 PM
Gotcha Oys. He he.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 28-Oct-02 09:14 PM
Jayahos I hear you....
It would be even better if you could name this thread a tribute to Mark Waugh..
Anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Being a permanent member of the Australian test and one day squad, Mark Waugh was a fine cricketer and a backbone to Aussie's foundation behind being the best, if not, the best cricket team in the world...Performing with the bat and the ball, Mark was a handful all rounder and its such a shame that he has been dropped with his recent run of poor form...Its not easy to remain so long in the Australian side with every county player trying their level best to come to the national squad...Even then, one of the Waugh bros, the younger of them, served Australia with his classy batting, lethal bowling and very good hands in the slip....Especially I enjoyed watching him bat at the world cup in the sub-continent, his magnificent century against the Kiwis, to put the Wallabies in the World Cup Final and then his vital wickets of Lara, Tendulkar, thorougly put him at the best Australian opener of all time....
As brother Steven has vowed to return in the Australian one day squad, I am sure Mark will be feeling the same..if not, I wish him success in the days ahead and whatever he wishes to do with the youth cricketers..
Good Luck Mark.....
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| Rusty |
Posted
on 28-Oct-02 09:18 PM
As DWI, I don't know nothing about cricket!!!!
But, as a sports fan, I say "goodbye" to him
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| ruck |
Posted
on 28-Oct-02 09:24 PM
You will be missed Mark Waugh.. I am not an Aussie fan though but you and Steve were great !!
God Bless You Both !!
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| VillageVoice |
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on 28-Oct-02 09:57 PM
Mark Waugh will certainly be missed !!
But I liked what Ian Healy said the other day. Australia became a cricket powerhouse in the 90s because the selectors were careful to blood youngsters regularly, a clear hint that the Waugh brothers have to go.
The Aussies saw a huge vacuum, and even India (yeh, even India!! The perennial favorite at home; and ghar bahira syal) once pummeled them in their home turf back in the eighties - when the Chappel brothers, Lillee, Marsh, etc, had retired. During those times the contests were often labelled as India V. Border; WI V. Border, referring to Australia's huge dependence on the batting of their skipper Alan Border.
Then the Waugh twins came along.
Yes, they have been around for a long, long time. But at 37, Mark's chances of bouncing back, and keeping a permament place in the *Australian team*, were, to say the least, slim. The Aussies are currently overflowing with talent - much as the West Windies all through the 70s and 80s. It was time he called it a day.
I never had high opinion about the bowling of the Waugh twins - gentle militarymedium :) - but in their prime they *were* great fielders. Over the years, they have taken some astonishing catches. I can't imagine unathletic Indians -- Ganguly and Kumble, for example -- making those long leaps to lunge for catches.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 29-Oct-02 12:10 AM
Rusty dai ;)
As a big sports fan u r ;) why not start NNCC........nepal new england cricket club?
why?? common now, we can't compete in basketball, baseball and NFL with kuires can we??
jus a thought ;)
eheh...nakhele ni, kura garne ni ;) or u can be the twelfth man eheh..hope u don't get that ;)
oys
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| VillageVoice |
Posted
on 04-Nov-02 12:47 PM
Excellent stuff on Mark Waugh, the pefectionist.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=27196610
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| ruck |
Posted
on 04-Nov-02 12:49 PM
Thanks village voice for the link..was interesting...
ruck
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| VillageVoice |
Posted
on 05-Nov-02 03:42 AM
No problem. Hope you enjoyed it !!!
While the gentleman has pulled out, the "fighter", true to his form, refuses to call it a day. I will be closely following Steve's form during the Ashes that gets under way this week.
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| krishna |
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on 05-Nov-02 09:54 AM
Village Voice,
I am looking forward for the Ashes test too. I am sure its heading towards an absolute encounter and it will be a treat for the eyes. Though I dont get to see live ball by ball coverage but I will see if I can hear the live audio BBC broadcast of the ball by ball commentary and news here and there. The wallabies are in great form and so is England coming out from their astonishing draw against the best Australian county side, Queensland. An amazing ton from Michael Vaughan. That guy is just awesome and one of the reason why he is Glenn Mcgrath's target batsman for the ashes. Though Darren Gough will be missed from the fast bowling side of England but they have plenty of other all rounder and quality batsman to take their side to victory. Nasser Hussain will be looking forward for a great start from the openers. Good Luck England.
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| VillageVoice |
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on 05-Nov-02 01:56 PM
I wish England luck too, krishna !!!
when was the last time they won Ashes? The Ashes's become such a one-sided contest. Let's hope the law of the average gets Australia this time. The Aussie bandwagon just rools on and on and on. Liike the West Indies in the 80s.
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| VillageVoice |
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on 05-Nov-02 02:00 PM
I wish England luck too, krishna !!!
when was the last time they won Ashes?!!! The Ashes's become such a hopelessly one-sided contest that I fear for its very survival. Let's hope the law of the average gets Australia this time.
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| Jayahos |
Posted
on 05-Nov-02 05:37 PM
I wish West Indies luck too!!
Down with 2-0 against INDIA in recent TEST series and LARA absent from field, I am not expecting much from them. But nothing is sure in cricket. And MASTER BLASTER SACHIN absent from field, there luck may strike. With new stars emerging and strong batting lineup even in the absent of SACHIN, Indian team weighs far stronger than the Indies. But do not underestimate the OLD TIGER wounded by series defeat.
Its wonderful to find so many cricket fans here......and such an insight on what's going on!!
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| Dust In The Wind |
Posted
on 05-Nov-02 07:44 PM
He is the good player but in recent days I dont think he had done a great job. anyway cricket world will miss him. specially his classic feilding abalities.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 05-Nov-02 07:56 PM
Village Voice and Jayahos!
It is indeed a bad time for the windies going down 2-0 against India. I thought the second test was a tie. Am I wrong?? I saw the score in the middle of the Indian first innings and windies had scored a massive 500 + with Shivnarine Chanderpaul leading the score and some other batsman called simons or ....getting to three figures to record his maiden test hundred against India at Eden Gardens. And India replied with immaculate innings of their own, Tendulkar was going great guns. It was surprising then if India won that game. Must have been a bad second innings by the carribean side. I wish windies success without the presence of Lara as he has not been of much importance to the West Indies side in recent years except his big innings in the first and second test against Srilanka at Colombo in 2000-2001 season. They cannot rely on Lara to be honest and they have some good batting line up to cause some disturbances in the Indian bowling headed by Harbhajan and Kumble. If they can keep up the spin bowling, then India don't have much fast bowling to rely on.
On the land down under, I would have loved to watch Darren Gough attacking with full pace against the ever so strong Australian batting spearheaded by Justin Langer and Matthew Hayden, who has been in amazing form. I thought Goughie was the best England bowler after Ian Botham and he would have caused much damages to the Aussies. But now they have to keep up without him. The Darren Gough hatrick against Australia, how can I forget that. He has fast, he was furious, the pace man was accurate and the stumps were flying all over the ground. That was some bowling. Ever since that, I have been a great Goughie fan.
But McGrath is awesome, so is warne and Gillespie, and I am sure they are roaring to fire up the English stumps. Good Luck Nasser Hussain and England, you have your work cut out against the best Test team in the present era.
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| VillageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Nov-02 08:04 AM
Though I have been a die-hard Indian fan for years, I am relieved about the West Indies win in the first One Day.
That said, the Indian media may praise their time to sky, but they don't quite have that in them. I mean they aren't capable of crushing their opponents as Aussies do with awesome consistency, to the point of making their opponents look like hopeless novices. Look what they did to Pakistan in the recent series.
Indian bowling may long worldclass and penetrating in turning tracks, but give them a sporting wicket, and with trundlers like Argarkar, Shewag, and now this new allrounder Yadav, they will always struggle to contain the opposition.
With the WI win, Jayhos, you must be a happy (wo)man now :) Honestly, I am not complaining either. India have some 15 or 16 games to sort out their chinks - esp. in the bowling department - before the World Cup. Better make mistakes now.
The World Cup has to come back to the subcontinent. And I don't see Pakistan doing that - maybe Sri Lanka.
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| VillageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Nov-02 08:06 AM
Pls read "Indian bowling may look worldclass..."
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| krishna |
Posted
on 06-Nov-02 02:47 PM
Talking about world cup coming to sub-continent, I wouldn't prefer Srilankan wickets. It is very slow wicket and no justice for the pace bowlers. True Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar could produce fast deliveries but to bowlers who rely on swing, turn and moistures, it would be their luck if their 10 over spell goes for less then 60 runs. It is more of a batting wicket suited for the Srilankan batsman and spin bowlers. And with their kind of defensive field placement, I would be surprised if Sanath Jayasurya will not be the world cup winning captain. But if the countries like India, Pakistan and Srilanka combine together to organize the world cup then it will be more neutral. Especially the Indian pitch on Eden Gardens, Calcultta, Wankhade stadium, Bombay and my favourite pitch Chandigarh should suit to both the batsman and the bowlers and it will be a very exciting one day cricket with lots of runs on the board.
India lack quality on their bowling and that has been going on since some time after Kapil Dev retired from international cricket. They just cannot produce bowlers like just over the boarder too. They need someone like Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis or someone who can produce mathwinning spells in one fine over like Shoaib Akhtar, they have some good allrounder though and batting line up is one of the best in the world. They just don't have the consistency like Village Voice was referring about. I will be supporting South Africa and Pakistan in the world cup.
Jayahos, congratulations on the Windies win.
Krishna!
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| krishna |
Posted
on 06-Nov-02 02:50 PM
correction: just over the boarder "DO" not "TOO"
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| Jayahos |
Posted
on 06-Nov-02 05:21 PM
Kirshna and VV: THANKS....WI made it finally......!:)) VV, you can drop that (wo) :) My wife does not like cricket!!
I was surprised by WI's patience and fighting spirit to chase such a mammoth total of 284(?)....and was once again disappointed by the poor behaviour of crowd! It's a pity that crowd in the sub-continent be it Pakistan, India or Nepal (I am talking about football here! I remember a friendly match between a German team and Nepal..may be 6 or 7 years back..what a havoc the crowd created as Nepal lost by a huge goal difference!!)does not take loss in a sporty manner.
And unfortunately, as it's happening to me again and again...I missed this WI's win too...I often witness their loss..rarely get chance to share their win!!
Talking about Indian side poor fielding and poor bowling - particularly, in the depratment of pace bowlers - has become their trademark. As VV pointed most of the players are unathletic and once their past coach Madan Sharma publicly mentioned that fitness does not count in cricket...I heard that he too was a poor fielder in his time! Much attention in cricket and neglecting other sports - take HOCKEY for example - have lost their place in world sports arena and diverting too much attention in batting they are loosing their place in cricket too! If my wish works, I wish good luck to them too.....for the WorldCup!
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| krishna |
Posted
on 06-Nov-02 07:07 PM
Yes Jayahos and VillageVoice,
Fielding is one of the thing I hate about the sub-continent team especially Pakistan and India. Srilanka is very good. Agreed that they don't have the right kind of grass to dive but the way they use their fancy footwork to stop the ball, its ridiculous. We have seen that the success of the cricket team doesn't only depend on batting and bowling but the fielding is just as much important as the others as the quote goes: "catches win matches". Jonty Rhodes alone stops 30-40 runs by himself in an innings and those 30-40 runs eventually turns out to be the crucial stops. The Australian success is because of their expertise in all departments. Zimbabweans are wonderful in fielding too. NewZealand is pretty good. Some of the young cricketers in Pakistan and India are starting to develop their skills in the field, which is very important. The world cup is nearing and India and Pakistan both need to tighten their grips in the field.
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| VillageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Nov-02 08:09 PM
Overall, Indians have been poor fielders over the years - exception to the rule, Azhar and now Yubaraj Singh, for eg. Now that's because Azhar was an exceptional athlete - till the very end. No wonder, he's now opened a state-of-the-art gym in Hyderabad. Jadeja too, by the way. He plays a number of games--as say most Australian and South African cricketers.
Look at the Pakis. They are dreadful too. Akram, even Imran, weren't good fielders, though they were both exceptional bowlers. Obviously, fielding, or bowling/batting require different set of skills.
Indians--generally most teams from the subcontinent--aren't asked to hone their fielding skills as youngsters. Sri Lanka, trained for a long time by a Dav Whatmore, are somewhat different. But remember they too had their share of fielding problems - with pot-bellied cricketers like Ranatunga, Dias, and even De Silva.
There's been a lot of talk about the fact that the poor ground conditions in the subcontinet don't allow players to dive, and they sort of carry that habit to the international arena. Well, that may be true for a year - but what of a person like kumble and Ganguly--they have been in the international side for a good number of years, and even played in "soft" grounds in England, including county cricket?
I think most of us from the subcontinet are poor athletes--even when we may be good at a game or two. Compare that with average Aussie or South African. And the new Indian trainer--from South Africa--says he is working on this department.
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| krishna |
Posted
on 07-Nov-02 02:05 AM
I am glad that you mentioned pot-bellied cricketers. Its hilarious to watch Ranatunga and De-Silva running between the wickets eventhough they both are exceptional cricketers. De-Silva no doubt was a fantastic cricketer and so was Ranatunga. How about Inzamam Ul Haq??? Srilanka overall are a very good side and I really do admire there hardwork in the field. Its a sad thing that they dont have a good record touring overseas in turning and fast tracks.
I think there are some emerging youngster in the sub-continent who show responsibility in the field. Jadeja was a good example to lots of young cricketers coming out from the domestic level to the international arena. I know the hard outfield doesn't allow lots of cricketers to dive around in the field but if they dont' do that atleast they can be a good athlete like VV mentioned above. The Srilankan fielding is a good example of that. I dont see them diving around but they are a good chaser and fantastic fielder in the outfield. Muralitharan is a class out fielder and so is Jayasuriya and lots of Srilankan cricketers. Yubraj Singh and the Pakistan youngters Afridi and Nazir should set up subcontinent future in fielding.
SouthAfricans dont have a good batting line up, except for the fact that the bowling department is good with Shaun Pullock leading the attack and the White Lightening. They dont have a good class batsman like Tendulkar, Lara, Waugh, or Inzamam but they are probably the only contender to beat Australia. Those memorable matches they played in the world cup '99. The super six and the semifinal was a nail biting game. It is because of their magnificent fielding that they are on top and the bowling department has to have support from the fielders to get well. Shaun Pullock and Allan Donald and Klusener and Kallis could have had disappointing average had Jonty or Gibbs not been there in the in the field. They have stopped lots of runs coming from the blade of many cricketers and if the ball is about even 10 mtrs away, batsman hesitate to take a run due to the accurate throw on the stumps.
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| Jayahos |
Posted
on 07-Nov-02 06:51 AM
It seems England still has everything against them! They are once again overwhelmed by the superpower Australia. With two players making century and one player heading for a double century, the scoreboard does not look their way in the first day. And so does their luck, as Nasser put Aussies to bat first after winning the toss and as Simon retires hurt!
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| krishna |
Posted
on 07-Nov-02 05:17 PM
Simon retired hurt is definitely bad news. He is a promising youngster and ashes was his biggest test so far. I saw the sorry scoreboard. Those missed catches in the fielding cost England dearly and they have noone but themselves to blame for their disappointed first day. Now they have to go to the dressing room, reorganize themselves and come back fighting. Caddick being the only experience pace man, has a major responsibility on his shoulders and so does all other back up bowlers. They need to make an early burst on Australian wickets. Atleast 2-3 early wickets and the game can take its turn, but if Australia are allowed to escape the early morning attack then the way they are going right now, I woudln't be surprised with a scoreboard of above 600+. I am sure Hayden is looking for his best ever test score and captain steve waugh for a massive score before he can declare. England shouldn't panic and go after the Australian batsman from the word go. They should follow the policy, "attack is the best form of defence". Good Luck Nasser, Good Luck England.
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